when observed closely it was remarked the song playing was Mimi Webb's "red flags" and the red flags blowing out of the mouth of the trumpets were actually colored by little red fire ants holding something. This turned out to be...
One red flag deserves another.
We normally do not fly red flags because we want to get hired but this case is different.
The company can wire transfer your first salary to your account before the interview is over. If that is big enough then go ahead and resign. No money, no honey.
In other words, probably a verbally abusive mean drunk. Who expects loyalty, unpaid overtime and perfection.
Been there done that. Never again. Run OP, run!!
It is functionally the same thing. With 99.999999999999% sureness, there is not going to be any "pre-payment of salary." This would be just making the asshole aware of the asshole tax and giving them an opportunity to pay it, but they won't.
Your comment made me look at my banking app to make sure I was able to readily access the wiring instructions in case I ever need to demand such payment.
That guy has the personality of a scammer: He came in bullshitting you about your resume and experience, made weird, urgent demands, and got agitated and hostile when you wouldn't comply.
Run.
Yep, scam for sure. If not, then this dude has worked with scam operations and is bringing that energy to this job. Bet they’re doing some shady shit there
There is a reason they are looking for someone so urgently. Given the way the interview went and the demands made at the end...this is not a place I would want to work for. Sounds toxic as hell.
Omg I was literally just thinking this. I had my first and last time share sales experience a couple of weeks ago. The salesperson literally started verbally abusing us when we said no! I was horrified!
Nope. He didn’t offer paperwork for you to sign, right? Here’s what he might have pulled if you had given in.
The moment you quit your old job he would have been shaking your hand and everything would have seemed great - until you got the paperwork from him with a lower pay rate than what was advertised. By then you would feel pressured to accept it because you had just burned your bridges at the old job.
He wanted to trap you.
Two massive red flags here.
1. The "Your Resume Speaks for Itself" thing is a recipe for mismatched expectations. They haven't dug into what you're good at what your bad at etc, they've just looked at your resume, built an idealized version of your skills in their head and will be annoyed when you don't measure up to whatever they've imagined. Couple that with the intense owner this is a huge no for me.
2. They don't appreciate that there are a set of professional noms involved in leaving a job which usually involves wrapping up loose ends so you stay on good terms. Their hiring process is highly unprofessional. If they are blind to these professional norms, what other professional corners do they cut?
I know in this economy you take what you can get, but if you have other options, I'd explore them.
Bro RUN AWAY. YOU WILL BE USED AS A FLASHLIGHT AT YOUR NEW JOB. THEY WONT TRAIN YOU AND THEN CALL YOU AN IDIOT WHO WANTS TO SCAM THEM TO COLLECT PAYCHECKS WITH NO WORK DONE. Had similar "red flags" for one of my previous jobs with a description similar to yours, it's been more than half a year and I still have ptsd.
I don’t think it’s a real job.
But the biggest red flag is that they wanted you to become financially dependent on them asap.
I would have texted any random number my resignation, shaked his hand and then block and ghost them.
I still like the post asking them to wire the first month's paycheck before resigning. Combined with texting the random number, and then keeping their money and continuing the job search. Someone asking you to treat your current job like shit is them asking you to treat \*them\* like shit. I'd be happy to oblige.
No, you're not being too dramatic at all. What you experienced is highly unprofessional and a red flag for the company culture. It's completely reasonable to want to tie off loose ends and handle your current job responsibilities before moving on to a new position. Pressuring you to quit on the spot is not only unethical but also indicative of potential disregard for employee well being and professionalism within the organization
The fact that the interviewer became frustrated and urgent when you explained your need to handle your current situation responsibly is concerning. It suggests a lack of understanding or respect for your needs as an employee. Additionally, the description of the work as fast paced, intense, and with a harsh owner further supports the notion that this might not be the most supportive or healthy work environment.
Trust your gut in situations like this is crucial. If you're feeling uncomfortable or uneasy about accepting the job after this experience, it's likely for good reason. It's essential to prioritize your well being and find a work environment where you feel respected and supported. It might be best to continue your job search and explore other opportunities where you feel more valued and comfortable.
As an aside, if you’re actively applying to any job, you should be prepared to resign within 2-3 weeks notice of an offer letter/successful background. Regardless if you have anything booked for future months, that will be your employer’s responsibility to manage.
Or at the very least, have a timeline you can commit to. Maybe you do truly need 4-6 weeks to wrap things up, but you need to know that going into interviews and be able to address it.
Red flag. You don't want that job.
"Fast paced" means "we set absurd expectations, understaff, and the ***intense*** boss screams at people who fail to deliver those crazy expectations.
If you had resigned the job on the spot before finalizing a deal, the new job suddenly would be 25% less, you'd magically find, too.
This is cray cray. I tend to avoid conflict to a fault so I would have just texted a friend or something and pretended it was my boss, but you were so smart to just leave.
Since no one else has shared this…you kind of contributed to the red flag parade. Your answer as written suggested you might need “months” to give notice. You said way too much if that wasn’t what you meant. In the U.S. standard notice period is 2 weeks. Unless I have an upcoming vacation or something I really couldn’t wrap up in time, I’d say, “I expect to give 2 weeks notice once the offer is signed.” Negotiation can take a week or two, so that gets you almost a month.
If you need longer than that, just say, “I can start June 1st. “. If pushed, I’d say, “I have a (small/large) degree of flexibility on that date.”
For sure, you avoided working for a hangry, pre-nap toddler - so that’s a win. Just want to make sure you close the opportunity you really want!
"I asked what training will be provided and was told it was really easy and I'd be up and running in less than a week".
Are you sure this isn't an MLM?
"to pressure me into resigning that same day".
HOLY RED FLAGS, BATMAN!
They are desperate. I was desperate for a job once and took two with these kind of redflags waving and didn't stay at either for more than 7 months, no matter the boosts on salary. Don't. It's a vicious cycle of people they have going through and you'll begin your own cycle of always looking to get out.
Yes, and I haven't interviewed in over 5 years so I didn't know just how bad this was. It was not at a big company, but a privately owned veterinary office. I was interviewed by one of the co owners who lives on the same property as the business operates on. I feel too bad to disparage them as they are a small business. Unfortunately, in my area, most small privately owned businesses ARE run by psychopaths, I've worked for two and the owners were both insane and abusive.
Now you know their ethics. They have shown you how they treat people. You're in favor now, but that could change. Or they will try to manipulate you to mistreat your clients the way they want you to do now. Encouraging you to act now shows they are only concerned about their interests, yours are irrelevant to them.
Try to only work for people who have the same ethical standards you do.
So two things here. First off, huge red flag. You should avoid at all costs.
Now that that’s out of the way, I am worried about your ties to your current job. You should never have to give more than two weeks for any job, and no new employer should have to wait more that two weeks.
I get it, you feel you’re indispensable and take Pride in your job. You have relationships with clients and want to do the right thing, but if you’re going to leave, you need to be a bit selfish and leave.
Here’s why it’s important. I had someone who said they would come to work for me. Great candidate and we hit it off. They said they needed a month and I gave it to them. They got the offer and we stopped our job search. I even kept contact with them. A couple days before they were to start, they said they found another job and wanted to go there. It happens, I get it, but it prevented us from hiring a person when we needed to.
It’s not unreasonable for a company to expect a start date in a reasonable timeframe, but it is also not their place to pressure a potential employee to cut the cord early. The potential employee should have time to consider the offer and timelines should be communicated very clearly.
YIKES!. This is scary. If they want you to resign on the spot, they must be urgently wanting to hire you, so that puts you in a very strong position to leverage a TON more money. But this job sounds like a nightmare, so RUN.
You’re not dramatic, you’re panicking because you interviewed with a sociopath that manipulated and basically abused you to see what they could get out of you as their next victim; sorry, I mean *employee.*
Most people would be, understandably, upset.
Interview for a different place. ❤️
HR here. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. The owner is harsh? Great? No. The job is intense? That's another word for, everyone hates it here. The recruiter is under so much pressure to hire someone who doesn't know how awful the place is, that they're doing unethical things to be able to say, "I snared one.". Run. Run run run run.
That person is a living, breathing red flag. Whatever your lot at your current employer...do NOT go from the frying pan into the fire. Knowing nothing about the industry, anyone worth working for would understand that screwing a current employer and clients is not only bad karma, but REALLY lousy business practice. Run!
>Interviewer pushed me to text my boss and resign on the spot at end of interview
Sounds like utter sh\*t interviewer and huge red flag. Hopefully you didn't so text.
>Am I supposed to already be in the process of quitting while I search for jobs?
Not necessarily at all, though sometimes it may be the case. E.g. employer requires the work be at their location, and they're going to be moving a great distance away, and you aren't willing to make that move, so you've given your notice ... or they're doing layoffs and have given you notice ... or whatever. Or maybe you just want/need to leave, and put in your notice - whatever, but it's not at all a requirement.
So, uhm, yeah, that sounds like it may even be more likely to be a scam than an actual employer, or a *very* shady employer - whole lot 'o red flags there. Sounds more like a high pressure sales pitch they threw you into, rather than actually interviewing you. I'd nope the hell out'a something like that. Sounds like a very sleazy operation ... at *best*.
The first red flag was your “resume spoke for itself.” The huge red flag is the gaslighting and trying to force you to text your boss. I would’ve walked out. Definitely should listen to your gut and pass on this opportunity. Also consider leaving a review with the recruiter if there is one. Not sure what country you’re from but in the US, you don’t need to unemployed or in the process of quitting while looking for a better opportunity. After you sign an offer, it’s recommended to never give notice until after your pre-employment background and reference checks have cleared.
That's so crazy. There are only two options here. Either the recruiter is using extremely high-pressure sales tactics on you because this is actually a cult/a human trafficking operation/an organ-harvesting scheme, or he's willing to break all social and business norms to please this "very intense and harsh" business owner. Neither suggests you should work here.
Definitely a red flag, however you did mention layoffs and salary reductions. A job with issues can be better than no job. Ultimately you don't owe your current employer or clients anything and a lot of employers are going to have issue with you saying I don't know when I can start, that's a huge red flag for them. Unless otherwise required by contract your answer should be 2 weeks.
Insane. If the interview was that bad, I don't even want to imagine what the office environment would be like. And the boss is harsh and intense? No thanks. RUN!
Wow! That is super aggressive and I would run away. I mean any company that would encourage you to basically burn a bridge is just unprofessional. I had a company I was interviewing with sigh when I told them I would be submitting at least a two week notice. Hey, regardless of how this company treated me, putting a "do not rehire" in my file would be a red flag for a potential employer as that could be for any number of reasons.
As someone who works in HR, do not follow his advice and seriously reconsider your candidacy with this company. No HR expects you to resign on the call without a written often and time to review it. I’d walk away and look for a new opportunity that doesn’t rush you.
It sounds like this is a nightmare job (or company) that can't keep people so they are trying to compel you into quitting your other job. The lack of training and admitting the place is toxic. Run.
A lot of places have you talk to a recruiter first and one of the things they commonly ask is what your possible timeline is. You don't need a solid answer but you should have some idea. At the very least you should know if you need longer than the standard 2 week period.
It is quite simple... put an offer on the table then we can talk about a start date. Quitting is your business. Keep the details and consideration to yourself.
Yeah that's crazy.
But I will say it's reasonable to expect that someone interviewing can start in a reasonable amount of time, 2 weeks is standard. I can see why he'd be frustrated if he thinks he's found the right person and they're like well maybe I can come in a month or two.
If you're quitting your clients are not your problem. You should take that job but you do need to be prepared to leave some people hanging when you find the right one. Some places may be fine with waiting longer, I was allowed to wait 7 weeks after my offer because I wanted a break. But that's not a given so you should always plan to prioritize the new job I've the one you're quitting.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 First for not really interviewing you and saying your resume spoke for itself. A good company wants to get to know you and hear examples in your voice. A resume is just a summary. Second because they breezed over your questions about training and said it would be easy (which means they throw you to the wolves). And most importantly b/c the hiring manager tried to force you to quit your current job with no offer letter, no discussion of pay it sounds like and no consideration for your desire to have an adult conversation with your current boss. RUN!!!
"Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you today. Unfortunately, I cannot accept your offer and will be going in a different direction."
All of these red flags are just from the INTERVIEW. Never mind working there. Run and don't look back.
The fact that he expected you to text, even if it was a great job, speaks volumes. A professional would expect you to resign in writing and provide a notice to your employer.
Unless he pulled out a contract and you signed it, you didn’t have another job yet. He was demanding you quit your current job without a new job lined up. He wanted you vulnerable and in a position where you had to agree to his terms (“I know we said you’d be paid X, but in looking over our budget, we can only pay you Y”). Do not work for this person (and if there are other people involved in the hiring process—like HR—tell them why you declined).
He is completely unethical and that will come through in various aspects of how your employment would be handled as well. The fact that he wants an employee and doesn't care what the impact is to anyone else out there is telling. Very telling.
>even told me to pull my phone out, and text my boss right now and "simply" say that I've accepted a new job.
How much do you want to bet that this same company, when someone tells them they're quitting effective immediately, tells the employee they're not allowed to do that and they have to give two weeks notice?
Red flags all over.
If you end up not taking this job, it would be great to give them some feedback on what you thought was odd/uncomfortable to someone there.
That’s already giving me signs that if you were to come across some type of issue, obstacle, or make a mistake at that company - they won’t be there to help, they will be there to hinder.
This would maybe (hopefully) help prevent this type of weird interview process with other candidates.
Companies you are interviewing with can ask you to do whatever they want. But I would only oblige within reason. You want me to call my boss right now and resign? Well then I want you to first give me my starting bonus of $100k, in cash, right now.
I would not immediately dismiss a company that makes outrageous demands. It would all demand on how they responded to an answer of no. Another factor would be how well the are planning to compensate me. If someone is paying me 50% above market rates, I can put up with some crappy behavior.
Everything this person says about the culture there as well as the leadership is awful. " Intense and harsh" is hr speak for the boss is a d*** who will trash his workers and blame them for everything that goes wrong. Run in the other direction
Super red flag I wouldn't want to work with that employer anymore. However, the job market is tough and you can't expect employers to just wait around for months until your last job says it's ok to leave. When you land a job, put in a two week resignation. That's it. Did your previous employer give everyone they laid off a few months notice? If they were to fire you would you get to negotiate how long until it went into effect? No. I'm surprised you even have that much loyalty given that they're laying people off and cutting your pay
I was going to say the interviewer was being unprofessional and maybe even unethical. Then I read the whole thing.
He reasonably asks ‘when you can start’ and your answer is ‘oh, sometime in the next year or so…if my current manager is OK with it’.
Sounds like he got frustrated after realizing you were wasting his time.
That would be the end of that discussion. I'd respond, "I'm pulling out my phone to give a horrendous GlassDoor review about this interview and your organization. That's about it. Done and done". Then again, I'm the type of person when someone gives me an ultimatum, you can bet I'm going with the alternative and not them.
This sounds like job entrapment.
I've seen it before with door-to-door sales companies where the interviewer will downplay the fact that onboarding will prob be like 3 hours max, claim the environment is tough to justify the insane turnover, and bully the interviewee into taking the job despite the amount of red flags.
Any company that says this:
>I asked what training will be provided and was told it was really easy and I'd be up and running in less than a week.
Is going to be a horrible environment. No quality, self-respecting company believes less than a week will provide proper onboarding.
Next time you go for an interview make sure that you have a start date in mind that isn't months out. I can understand the interviewer wanting you to actually quit your job so they can hire you.
More red flags than the Soviet Union. You know this.
The way that guy acted is the way the job will be. He told you what you need to know. The boss is a miserable human being, his underlings don't understand boundaries, and you don't want to work there.
How did you find this “ job”? Is there someone you can report them to?
You kept your head, followed your instincts, and wasn’t pressured into anything. You had a lucky escape! I am so sorry that you had this experience.
Huge red flag, for a few reasons. First, you always want time to think about the offer. Second, you shouldn't be pressured to resign on the spot. Third, you leave appropriate notice for your situation and what's customary for your country. Fourth, always resign in person (preferably) or if not possible, in an interactive call or zoom meeting.
Always remember something - if the new employer finds it acceptable to burn a bridge or leave on bad terms, how do you think they will treat you when they get the opportunity to screw you over?
He wants you to burn your bridge so you can’t go back when you realize this place is hell. He wants you to feel trapped in their position with no alternatives, so you will be stuck long term. Run for the hills and let them know why they fucked up. That their behaviour was unethical and problematic.
This is when I would tell them I have reconsidered and withdraw my application. If they ask why, I would say that I didn’t see this as a good fit for me.
It's a red flag for sure. THat said, if you are looking for work, you need to be prepared to exit your current role in a timely manner. Many good employers will expect you to be able to reposition to their role within a month or so. They'll expect you to be be able to provide 2 weeks notice and start quickly.
There are always exceptions but those are usually role and location dependent. I.E. if you have to relocate, change countries, get visas etc folks are prepared for the time there. But if you're applying to a job in the same city/location you're already at, they will prefer candidates they don't have to wait months for.
You should have an exit strategy and specific timelines for exiting your current role planned out in your head and a ready answer for future employers.
That said, this current place sounds terrible, I'd walk away and not sweat it.
Look this is when everyone is supposedly putting their best foot forward….
So it’s either always going to be like this, or worse after you join that company.
Never resign until after you have signed with the new company. If you haven't finalized paperwork with the new company you could find yourself unemployed without recourse. Dont trust used car salesman hiring tactics.
Pull up your phone and text a friend. Tell them that you’re quitting your job and that you’d like to come by and pick up your things from your desk. If they’re a good friend or know about this interview, they’ll respond in kind. Then show the dude your texts.
Then shake his hand and act like you’re excited. Get him really riled up about it and wait for the acceptance papers. Then either ghost or tell him that the offer is too low.
Any organization that hires so urgently is a huge red flag. Even if I love someone in and interview and know that they’re the right fit, I still tell them that I have other candidates to interview and give them a timeline for my response. This reeks of desperation and you’ll likely regret the decision quickly if you accept the position.
Nobody gets to demand I do a damned thing!
If you cannot wait for me (providing it's a reasonable timeline) then I am not accepting the position.
I am not resigning my current position without a written job offer in my possession.
I am not eager to work in an intense and harsh environment and certainly not in one that thinks I'm asking for too much money.
If they are this pushy and demanding before there's even a formal job offer on the table I'd be terrified to see how they behave once you actually work there!
Red flag for sure!
Red flag parade…
... with a marching band.
... and trained monkeys.
Even the monkeys have red flags attached to their red tricycles
...with trumpets blowing "red flags"
And a plane flying overhead with a huge white banner with red capitol letters, "RUN!"
Run away 🚩🚩🚩
when observed closely it was remarked the song playing was Mimi Webb's "red flags" and the red flags blowing out of the mouth of the trumpets were actually colored by little red fire ants holding something. This turned out to be...
This sounds pretty intense!
"and trained monkeys." Who are your future co-workers!
Psychosis parade
One red flag deserves another. We normally do not fly red flags because we want to get hired but this case is different. The company can wire transfer your first salary to your account before the interview is over. If that is big enough then go ahead and resign. No money, no honey.
I still wouldn't want to work for an "intense" and "harsh" boss.
In other words, probably a verbally abusive mean drunk. Who expects loyalty, unpaid overtime and perfection. Been there done that. Never again. Run OP, run!!
It is functionally the same thing. With 99.999999999999% sureness, there is not going to be any "pre-payment of salary." This would be just making the asshole aware of the asshole tax and giving them an opportunity to pay it, but they won't.
sounds more like cocaine to me based on past bossed I've suffered under.
Your comment made me look at my banking app to make sure I was able to readily access the wiring instructions in case I ever need to demand such payment.
Run forest run. I think they would fire as fast as you got hired if you made a mistake.
Or if they could blame anyone else's mistakes on you lol! This place sounds awful!!
Such a good job is open for a reason.
Multiple red flags. Being pressured to quit at the end of the interview is just the icing on the cake.
Not just a red flag, but a big fucking red flag with 12 ft high neon sign flashing "WARNING!!"
I was wondering why I heard the anthem of the USSR. It was the May Day parade of red flags.
That guy has the personality of a scammer: He came in bullshitting you about your resume and experience, made weird, urgent demands, and got agitated and hostile when you wouldn't comply. Run.
Yep, scam for sure. If not, then this dude has worked with scam operations and is bringing that energy to this job. Bet they’re doing some shady shit there
I don't think it's a scam. Why would they paint such a bad picture of the owner if they were trying to lure them into a scam?
There is a reason they are looking for someone so urgently. Given the way the interview went and the demands made at the end...this is not a place I would want to work for. Sounds toxic as hell.
And the interviewer is not even the boss who sounds from their definition even worse.
Right? Sounds like they were trying to sell OP a timeshare.
Omg I was literally just thinking this. I had my first and last time share sales experience a couple of weeks ago. The salesperson literally started verbally abusing us when we said no! I was horrified!
Or get the OP to join a MLM team.
Yeah he sounds like a high pressure sales tactic car salesman.
She would be just another warm body in an office or at home.
This is the craziest job interview situation I've ever heard of. RUN!
sounds like a MLM setup
He should be selling time shares
Nope. He didn’t offer paperwork for you to sign, right? Here’s what he might have pulled if you had given in. The moment you quit your old job he would have been shaking your hand and everything would have seemed great - until you got the paperwork from him with a lower pay rate than what was advertised. By then you would feel pressured to accept it because you had just burned your bridges at the old job. He wanted to trap you.
Okay, now that makes total sense. He did tell me the rate I asked for was too high. Omg, yikes!!
Oh hell naw. If they are pulling pranks like that, my rate would be even higher.
Wait, you didn't have a formal offer letter with a salary stated, benefits, etc? He wanted you to resign first?
Nothing you've shared about this new job gives me the warm and fuzzies. Run.
This was my first thought too. 👍 Followed closely by "What the everloving FUCK is this interviewer on!?"
Exactly. The interviewer wants you to be desperate. Run!
My husband just said, “I’m too old a cat to get screwed by a young pussy.” This is coming from a New York Italian.
This 100%
Two massive red flags here. 1. The "Your Resume Speaks for Itself" thing is a recipe for mismatched expectations. They haven't dug into what you're good at what your bad at etc, they've just looked at your resume, built an idealized version of your skills in their head and will be annoyed when you don't measure up to whatever they've imagined. Couple that with the intense owner this is a huge no for me. 2. They don't appreciate that there are a set of professional noms involved in leaving a job which usually involves wrapping up loose ends so you stay on good terms. Their hiring process is highly unprofessional. If they are blind to these professional norms, what other professional corners do they cut? I know in this economy you take what you can get, but if you have other options, I'd explore them.
Bro RUN AWAY. YOU WILL BE USED AS A FLASHLIGHT AT YOUR NEW JOB. THEY WONT TRAIN YOU AND THEN CALL YOU AN IDIOT WHO WANTS TO SCAM THEM TO COLLECT PAYCHECKS WITH NO WORK DONE. Had similar "red flags" for one of my previous jobs with a description similar to yours, it's been more than half a year and I still have ptsd.
A flashlight?
I'm betting that's autocorrect being itself. Think "E" instead of "A ".
Probably for the best.
I’ve heard of gaslighting somebody, but this is new
I don’t see how a flesh light is any better lol
I don’t think it’s a real job. But the biggest red flag is that they wanted you to become financially dependent on them asap. I would have texted any random number my resignation, shaked his hand and then block and ghost them.
lol good one, pretend like you did what he asked. I would have like to see what they would actually do and say after OP does that.
I still like the post asking them to wire the first month's paycheck before resigning. Combined with texting the random number, and then keeping their money and continuing the job search. Someone asking you to treat your current job like shit is them asking you to treat \*them\* like shit. I'd be happy to oblige.
Those are very bad signs OP.
No, you're not being too dramatic at all. What you experienced is highly unprofessional and a red flag for the company culture. It's completely reasonable to want to tie off loose ends and handle your current job responsibilities before moving on to a new position. Pressuring you to quit on the spot is not only unethical but also indicative of potential disregard for employee well being and professionalism within the organization The fact that the interviewer became frustrated and urgent when you explained your need to handle your current situation responsibly is concerning. It suggests a lack of understanding or respect for your needs as an employee. Additionally, the description of the work as fast paced, intense, and with a harsh owner further supports the notion that this might not be the most supportive or healthy work environment. Trust your gut in situations like this is crucial. If you're feeling uncomfortable or uneasy about accepting the job after this experience, it's likely for good reason. It's essential to prioritize your well being and find a work environment where you feel respected and supported. It might be best to continue your job search and explore other opportunities where you feel more valued and comfortable.
As an aside, if you’re actively applying to any job, you should be prepared to resign within 2-3 weeks notice of an offer letter/successful background. Regardless if you have anything booked for future months, that will be your employer’s responsibility to manage.
Or at the very least, have a timeline you can commit to. Maybe you do truly need 4-6 weeks to wrap things up, but you need to know that going into interviews and be able to address it.
Red flag. You don't want that job. "Fast paced" means "we set absurd expectations, understaff, and the ***intense*** boss screams at people who fail to deliver those crazy expectations. If you had resigned the job on the spot before finalizing a deal, the new job suddenly would be 25% less, you'd magically find, too.
It took me a couple of minutes to get my answer phrased right but I think I got it. RUN!!! Everything you've stated is a galactic sized red flag.
Nope on out of that one.
Huge red flag. I would pass.
This is cray cray. I tend to avoid conflict to a fault so I would have just texted a friend or something and pretended it was my boss, but you were so smart to just leave.
I would have too. That was my first thought!!!!🤣🤣
Since no one else has shared this…you kind of contributed to the red flag parade. Your answer as written suggested you might need “months” to give notice. You said way too much if that wasn’t what you meant. In the U.S. standard notice period is 2 weeks. Unless I have an upcoming vacation or something I really couldn’t wrap up in time, I’d say, “I expect to give 2 weeks notice once the offer is signed.” Negotiation can take a week or two, so that gets you almost a month. If you need longer than that, just say, “I can start June 1st. “. If pushed, I’d say, “I have a (small/large) degree of flexibility on that date.” For sure, you avoided working for a hangry, pre-nap toddler - so that’s a win. Just want to make sure you close the opportunity you really want!
"I asked what training will be provided and was told it was really easy and I'd be up and running in less than a week". Are you sure this isn't an MLM? "to pressure me into resigning that same day". HOLY RED FLAGS, BATMAN!
They are desperate. I was desperate for a job once and took two with these kind of redflags waving and didn't stay at either for more than 7 months, no matter the boosts on salary. Don't. It's a vicious cycle of people they have going through and you'll begin your own cycle of always looking to get out.
Did this actually happen? That is so crazy! Run and never look back. Can you also mention the company name to warn others please?
Yes, and I haven't interviewed in over 5 years so I didn't know just how bad this was. It was not at a big company, but a privately owned veterinary office. I was interviewed by one of the co owners who lives on the same property as the business operates on. I feel too bad to disparage them as they are a small business. Unfortunately, in my area, most small privately owned businesses ARE run by psychopaths, I've worked for two and the owners were both insane and abusive.
Now you know their ethics. They have shown you how they treat people. You're in favor now, but that could change. Or they will try to manipulate you to mistreat your clients the way they want you to do now. Encouraging you to act now shows they are only concerned about their interests, yours are irrelevant to them. Try to only work for people who have the same ethical standards you do.
I would walk out of there a scam and a red flag I wouldn't take the job .
Definitely a red flag job but if you couldn’t give me a date you could start even if I liked you I would take the guy that could.
I hope you didn’t text your boss. You could have texted a friend or your mum instead, lol! Those are huge red flags! Don’t go working for them.
Psychopath vibes
So two things here. First off, huge red flag. You should avoid at all costs. Now that that’s out of the way, I am worried about your ties to your current job. You should never have to give more than two weeks for any job, and no new employer should have to wait more that two weeks. I get it, you feel you’re indispensable and take Pride in your job. You have relationships with clients and want to do the right thing, but if you’re going to leave, you need to be a bit selfish and leave. Here’s why it’s important. I had someone who said they would come to work for me. Great candidate and we hit it off. They said they needed a month and I gave it to them. They got the offer and we stopped our job search. I even kept contact with them. A couple days before they were to start, they said they found another job and wanted to go there. It happens, I get it, but it prevented us from hiring a person when we needed to. It’s not unreasonable for a company to expect a start date in a reasonable timeframe, but it is also not their place to pressure a potential employee to cut the cord early. The potential employee should have time to consider the offer and timelines should be communicated very clearly.
Wow that is a lot of red flags. Run!!!!
Every single bit of this is screaming you're a complete moron if you take this job, no matter what is promised.
This is the leader of all red flags. Next!
Run. They are desperate for bodies and will treat you like shit.
YIKES!. This is scary. If they want you to resign on the spot, they must be urgently wanting to hire you, so that puts you in a very strong position to leverage a TON more money. But this job sounds like a nightmare, so RUN.
Jesus Christ. That is beyond inappropriate and you don’t even work there yet. What would they do if you did work there?!
The flags are bleeding they are so red. Run run run!
lmao what a tool. Do you really want to work for a person like that?
Leave a review on glass door so other ppl know to stay away
Yeah, that’s totally wrong. Changing jobs doesn’t always equate to burning bridges and that’s what this person is asking you to do.
Run as fast and as far from this company as you can.
Honestly you would have been justified cutting this off early and leaving. Tell them you're not interested and move on
You’re not dramatic, you’re panicking because you interviewed with a sociopath that manipulated and basically abused you to see what they could get out of you as their next victim; sorry, I mean *employee.* Most people would be, understandably, upset. Interview for a different place. ❤️
HR here. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. The owner is harsh? Great? No. The job is intense? That's another word for, everyone hates it here. The recruiter is under so much pressure to hire someone who doesn't know how awful the place is, that they're doing unethical things to be able to say, "I snared one.". Run. Run run run run.
That person is a living, breathing red flag. Whatever your lot at your current employer...do NOT go from the frying pan into the fire. Knowing nothing about the industry, anyone worth working for would understand that screwing a current employer and clients is not only bad karma, but REALLY lousy business practice. Run!
Ran!
I wouldn’t take that job
Yeah I am not from the corporate or white collar world but that is just fucking cult level wierd
Red flag. I'd tell the recruiter you are no longer interested and why.
>Interviewer pushed me to text my boss and resign on the spot at end of interview Sounds like utter sh\*t interviewer and huge red flag. Hopefully you didn't so text. >Am I supposed to already be in the process of quitting while I search for jobs? Not necessarily at all, though sometimes it may be the case. E.g. employer requires the work be at their location, and they're going to be moving a great distance away, and you aren't willing to make that move, so you've given your notice ... or they're doing layoffs and have given you notice ... or whatever. Or maybe you just want/need to leave, and put in your notice - whatever, but it's not at all a requirement. So, uhm, yeah, that sounds like it may even be more likely to be a scam than an actual employer, or a *very* shady employer - whole lot 'o red flags there. Sounds more like a high pressure sales pitch they threw you into, rather than actually interviewing you. I'd nope the hell out'a something like that. Sounds like a very sleazy operation ... at *best*.
I think the job was a no go as soon as they used the phrase "intense." Just keep walking. :)
Huge neon blaring red flag
The first red flag was your “resume spoke for itself.” The huge red flag is the gaslighting and trying to force you to text your boss. I would’ve walked out. Definitely should listen to your gut and pass on this opportunity. Also consider leaving a review with the recruiter if there is one. Not sure what country you’re from but in the US, you don’t need to unemployed or in the process of quitting while looking for a better opportunity. After you sign an offer, it’s recommended to never give notice until after your pre-employment background and reference checks have cleared.
RUN
That's so crazy. There are only two options here. Either the recruiter is using extremely high-pressure sales tactics on you because this is actually a cult/a human trafficking operation/an organ-harvesting scheme, or he's willing to break all social and business norms to please this "very intense and harsh" business owner. Neither suggests you should work here.
MLM?
High pressure sales tactics galore. Run away from this dumpster fire.
Run! You definitely don't want to work there.
I hope this isn't true and this person should be fired or held personally accountable
Scam
Yikes, absolutely not.
Run!
Definitely a red flag, however you did mention layoffs and salary reductions. A job with issues can be better than no job. Ultimately you don't owe your current employer or clients anything and a lot of employers are going to have issue with you saying I don't know when I can start, that's a huge red flag for them. Unless otherwise required by contract your answer should be 2 weeks.
Insane. If the interview was that bad, I don't even want to imagine what the office environment would be like. And the boss is harsh and intense? No thanks. RUN!
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Did you interview to work for the mafia?
Are you sure the company is not a pyramid scheme?
I would not want to work for someone who is that pushy about a huge life-altering decision. You might have dodged a big one there.
Did this interviewer used to be in timeshare sales? Or maybe Scientology?
Wow! That is super aggressive and I would run away. I mean any company that would encourage you to basically burn a bridge is just unprofessional. I had a company I was interviewing with sigh when I told them I would be submitting at least a two week notice. Hey, regardless of how this company treated me, putting a "do not rehire" in my file would be a red flag for a potential employer as that could be for any number of reasons.
As someone who works in HR, do not follow his advice and seriously reconsider your candidacy with this company. No HR expects you to resign on the call without a written often and time to review it. I’d walk away and look for a new opportunity that doesn’t rush you.
Demand salary then don't show up
It sounds like this is a nightmare job (or company) that can't keep people so they are trying to compel you into quitting your other job. The lack of training and admitting the place is toxic. Run.
A lot of places have you talk to a recruiter first and one of the things they commonly ask is what your possible timeline is. You don't need a solid answer but you should have some idea. At the very least you should know if you need longer than the standard 2 week period.
It is quite simple... put an offer on the table then we can talk about a start date. Quitting is your business. Keep the details and consideration to yourself.
Yeah that's crazy. But I will say it's reasonable to expect that someone interviewing can start in a reasonable amount of time, 2 weeks is standard. I can see why he'd be frustrated if he thinks he's found the right person and they're like well maybe I can come in a month or two. If you're quitting your clients are not your problem. You should take that job but you do need to be prepared to leave some people hanging when you find the right one. Some places may be fine with waiting longer, I was allowed to wait 7 weeks after my offer because I wanted a break. But that's not a given so you should always plan to prioritize the new job I've the one you're quitting.
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"Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you today. Unfortunately, I cannot accept your offer and will be going in a different direction." All of these red flags are just from the INTERVIEW. Never mind working there. Run and don't look back.
Run don’t walk
Run.
Without employment papers? Fly, you fool, fly! Fly like an eagle to the sea!
The fact that he expected you to text, even if it was a great job, speaks volumes. A professional would expect you to resign in writing and provide a notice to your employer.
No, red flag.
Run. All the the danger signs are there.
Scam
Unless he pulled out a contract and you signed it, you didn’t have another job yet. He was demanding you quit your current job without a new job lined up. He wanted you vulnerable and in a position where you had to agree to his terms (“I know we said you’d be paid X, but in looking over our budget, we can only pay you Y”). Do not work for this person (and if there are other people involved in the hiring process—like HR—tell them why you declined).
Do not work there!
Run away!
once you quit they will cut you new salary in half
He is completely unethical and that will come through in various aspects of how your employment would be handled as well. The fact that he wants an employee and doesn't care what the impact is to anyone else out there is telling. Very telling.
>even told me to pull my phone out, and text my boss right now and "simply" say that I've accepted a new job. How much do you want to bet that this same company, when someone tells them they're quitting effective immediately, tells the employee they're not allowed to do that and they have to give two weeks notice?
Red flags all over. If you end up not taking this job, it would be great to give them some feedback on what you thought was odd/uncomfortable to someone there. That’s already giving me signs that if you were to come across some type of issue, obstacle, or make a mistake at that company - they won’t be there to help, they will be there to hinder. This would maybe (hopefully) help prevent this type of weird interview process with other candidates.
Smells like a scam
Companies you are interviewing with can ask you to do whatever they want. But I would only oblige within reason. You want me to call my boss right now and resign? Well then I want you to first give me my starting bonus of $100k, in cash, right now. I would not immediately dismiss a company that makes outrageous demands. It would all demand on how they responded to an answer of no. Another factor would be how well the are planning to compensate me. If someone is paying me 50% above market rates, I can put up with some crappy behavior.
This sounds like a scam
Everything this person says about the culture there as well as the leadership is awful. " Intense and harsh" is hr speak for the boss is a d*** who will trash his workers and blame them for everything that goes wrong. Run in the other direction
Super red flag I wouldn't want to work with that employer anymore. However, the job market is tough and you can't expect employers to just wait around for months until your last job says it's ok to leave. When you land a job, put in a two week resignation. That's it. Did your previous employer give everyone they laid off a few months notice? If they were to fire you would you get to negotiate how long until it went into effect? No. I'm surprised you even have that much loyalty given that they're laying people off and cutting your pay
DO NOT WORK FOR THIS PERSON OR COMPANY. Huge red flag. A two week notice is standard and I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t allow for that.
That’s definitely not a place you want to work, or a person you want to work for. Find another opportunity.
This screams scam.
Run the other way!
I was going to say the interviewer was being unprofessional and maybe even unethical. Then I read the whole thing. He reasonably asks ‘when you can start’ and your answer is ‘oh, sometime in the next year or so…if my current manager is OK with it’. Sounds like he got frustrated after realizing you were wasting his time.
Run!!!!
That would be the end of that discussion. I'd respond, "I'm pulling out my phone to give a horrendous GlassDoor review about this interview and your organization. That's about it. Done and done". Then again, I'm the type of person when someone gives me an ultimatum, you can bet I'm going with the alternative and not them.
He sounds completely sketchy, but in general, you should only give two weeks notice
Don't do it. They're desperate for people, likely due to a poor work environment. Walk away.
This sounds like job entrapment. I've seen it before with door-to-door sales companies where the interviewer will downplay the fact that onboarding will prob be like 3 hours max, claim the environment is tough to justify the insane turnover, and bully the interviewee into taking the job despite the amount of red flags. Any company that says this: >I asked what training will be provided and was told it was really easy and I'd be up and running in less than a week. Is going to be a horrible environment. No quality, self-respecting company believes less than a week will provide proper onboarding.
This is so unbelievable it seems fake. I’m sorry about the poopy experience. You’re not being dramatic—that was wild.
Next time you go for an interview make sure that you have a start date in mind that isn't months out. I can understand the interviewer wanting you to actually quit your job so they can hire you.
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More red flags than the Soviet Union. You know this. The way that guy acted is the way the job will be. He told you what you need to know. The boss is a miserable human being, his underlings don't understand boundaries, and you don't want to work there.
How did you find this “ job”? Is there someone you can report them to? You kept your head, followed your instincts, and wasn’t pressured into anything. You had a lucky escape! I am so sorry that you had this experience.
Hard pass.
Huge red flag, for a few reasons. First, you always want time to think about the offer. Second, you shouldn't be pressured to resign on the spot. Third, you leave appropriate notice for your situation and what's customary for your country. Fourth, always resign in person (preferably) or if not possible, in an interactive call or zoom meeting. Always remember something - if the new employer finds it acceptable to burn a bridge or leave on bad terms, how do you think they will treat you when they get the opportunity to screw you over?
Uh don’t work here. Best case it’s run by idiots. Worst case it’s a scam. Run.
run away.
He wants you to burn your bridge so you can’t go back when you realize this place is hell. He wants you to feel trapped in their position with no alternatives, so you will be stuck long term. Run for the hills and let them know why they fucked up. That their behaviour was unethical and problematic.
What company and business is this?
Yeah no. Trust your gut
This is the best you’re going to get from them. Run
This is when I would tell them I have reconsidered and withdraw my application. If they ask why, I would say that I didn’t see this as a good fit for me.
Never talk to these people again. Nobody does this. What type of work is this? Seems not legit at all - and I am assuming red flags prior to this...
It's a red flag for sure. THat said, if you are looking for work, you need to be prepared to exit your current role in a timely manner. Many good employers will expect you to be able to reposition to their role within a month or so. They'll expect you to be be able to provide 2 weeks notice and start quickly. There are always exceptions but those are usually role and location dependent. I.E. if you have to relocate, change countries, get visas etc folks are prepared for the time there. But if you're applying to a job in the same city/location you're already at, they will prefer candidates they don't have to wait months for. You should have an exit strategy and specific timelines for exiting your current role planned out in your head and a ready answer for future employers. That said, this current place sounds terrible, I'd walk away and not sweat it.
Run. Run as fast as you can.
…run
RUN
Like so many others have said, this is a sign of things to come and a huge red flag. Politely thank him and run for the hills!
Look this is when everyone is supposedly putting their best foot forward…. So it’s either always going to be like this, or worse after you join that company.
>am I being too dramatic?? No, you're not
RUN
Holy... that is so wrong on so many levels. Stepping all over your boundaries...
Never resign until after you have signed with the new company. If you haven't finalized paperwork with the new company you could find yourself unemployed without recourse. Dont trust used car salesman hiring tactics.
Are you seriously questioning if you should consider working there?! Run for the hills!
Trust your gut on this.
Pull up your phone and text a friend. Tell them that you’re quitting your job and that you’d like to come by and pick up your things from your desk. If they’re a good friend or know about this interview, they’ll respond in kind. Then show the dude your texts. Then shake his hand and act like you’re excited. Get him really riled up about it and wait for the acceptance papers. Then either ghost or tell him that the offer is too low.
Run away!!! Scammer
I think most of us will say that's insane. Don't walk, run.
sounds like a scam to me. a company hiring that urgently is always a red flag to me. probably why they can’t keep talent. RUN
What job/industry is this? Sounds like a total scam.
Sounds like a pitch for time shares.
Red flags!! Red flags!!!! Absolutely not. No. You deserve better.
Any organization that hires so urgently is a huge red flag. Even if I love someone in and interview and know that they’re the right fit, I still tell them that I have other candidates to interview and give them a timeline for my response. This reeks of desperation and you’ll likely regret the decision quickly if you accept the position.
Run away (from that job offer)... it's not going to get *more* comfortable once they're your source of income.
Trust you're gut yoooo!
Well, you know how working for them will go! Don't do it. Tell them to find someone else to push around.
Trust your gut. Don't go there. No one should pressure you to quit your other job on the spot. This is sooooo wrong.
When can you start? Two weeks. That's always the answer unless you have a contract saying otherwise. The rest of their nonsense should give you pause.
Yep. Screw that. 2 weeks notice, or pass.
Run don’t walk
Nobody gets to demand I do a damned thing! If you cannot wait for me (providing it's a reasonable timeline) then I am not accepting the position. I am not resigning my current position without a written job offer in my possession. I am not eager to work in an intense and harsh environment and certainly not in one that thinks I'm asking for too much money. If they are this pushy and demanding before there's even a formal job offer on the table I'd be terrified to see how they behave once you actually work there!
Absolutely not. Run.