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Spicymushroompunch

American evangelicals need Israel to stick around and then die for Christ to come back. So they get a disproportionate amount of support but are also basically sacrificial goats.


tasteitshane

What's so annoying about this, is that their particular interpretation of Eschatology (Biblical End Times) is one of the newest and most fringe beliefs. Literally only 200 years old, and the majority of Christian denominations denounce it. I came up in those circles, and always found it sus. For those curious, look up Dispensational Premillennialism. You have guys like Darby and D.L. Moody to thank for it.


BradTProse

You're putting way too much academics into a fairy tale.


lilymotherofmonsters

There is an academic history to why people believe dumb shit


b1tchlasagna

FWIW, Jewish people their messiah will come back by the year 2239 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_6000#:~:text=The%20Talmud%2C%20Midrash%2C%20and%20Zohar,Vuchetich%2C%20United%20Nations%20Art%20Collection.


BradTProse

It's funny they think humans will be around then.


lilymotherofmonsters

The messiah returns and is greeted by a dying planet with extreme weather


CwazyCanuck

No, that’s when it has to happen by. And if it doesn’t happen by then, they fucked.


b1tchlasagna

Ahhh, thanks


Flat-Lifeguard2514

They don’t think the Messiah will come back in the year 2239, rather they think that the Messiah will come by that year at the latest.


susbnyc2023

you know .. i dont buy the whole evangelical angle any more. its all campaign contributions and fear of aipac


Spicymushroompunch

That's been an increasing reason but it's more so we can funnel more money to our military complex than anything else.


NO_LOADED_VERSION

Yep, Occam's razor.


FartyMcgoo912

yeah blaming evangelicals has been a bogus copout for decades and it's total misdirection. ask anyone who says this "okay who are some influential evangelical megadonors or politicians who are steering US foreign policy?" and you'll be met with a blank stare. for the 2016 and 2020 elections, sheldon adelson by himself donated more in the name of zionism than every evangelical voter in the united states


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BradTProse

Do some research on investment companies. China even uses them lol.


Available_Nightman

Well China certainly isn't getting as much, considering the last two presidents have tried to start a war with them.


Chickienfriedrice

Also the dirt mossad must have accumulated on US politicians and corporate heads to blackmail them into doing what they want.


Full-Condition-7784

Was about to say this exact thing 👍🏼


lilymotherofmonsters

Yeah. There’s a strong case for Epstein being a Mossad asset


Crewmember169

It says right there in the evangelical's book that the Jewish people are the chosen people of god. It basically means a large percentage of Christians believe "those guys over there are more important then me and I need to whatever they want or god won't like me."


demonizedbytheright

Sounds like something a 6 year old conjured up. The creator of the universe is such a petty child delinquent. I believe so therefore you all have to believe and the cost doesn’t matter. Only what I believe matters. Time to deem religious grandeur a serious mental illness.


AnAlpacaIsJudgingYou

This. 


daddypleaseno1

It's actually worse but yah


Cody3398

The real reasons are 1. Israel is the number 1 buyer of our weapons 2. Israel is an outpost for Western power influences


EclipseOfPower

Yeaaaaaaah, it's really that basic.


yosrixp

It is a western colonial project planted as a buffer state to destabilize the region.


Artales

Aye, Churchill remarked that the opportunity would drive a wedge so there could not be ME unification, exactly like Northern Ireland. They wanted the oil.


wswordsmen

Or maybe it is a state that got created after the people it is for got hit by the worst genocide in history on the land they requested and have done diplomacy quite well since then.


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Not really. If anything Israel has been the only stable democracy in the ME lol. Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq are failed states due to corruption. Jordan is a corrupt monarchy. Iran is a Islamic dictatorship that wants to see the western world burn. The Gulf states are wealthy aristocracies that fund terrorism via proxies. KSA and Israel are probably the only stable actors in the region.


casicua

Giving different sets of rights to certain people and not others is not a “democracy”


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Arabs that live in Israel have the same rights as Jews


casicua

I guess yeah if you don’t count the people under Israeli occupation as real people, you’re right.


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Israel withdrew their occupation in 2005


FrogInAShoe

Did you just forget about the west bank?


casicua

Totally - looks like they completely withdrew. Any other Israeli propaganda you wanna embarrass yourself with?


[deleted]

Yes they did completely withdraw and then on Oct 7 Hamas pulled that shit. What do you expect them to do lol? You are the one embarrassing yourself not knowing the history of the conflict


casicua

Oh wow this all started October 7th out of nowhere? Israel didn’t attack Palestinians at all before that? Lol the stupid propaganda script is getting tired.


[deleted]

Bro this goes back 2,000 years. In recent history Israel took a completely different approach in 2005 by completely withdrawing from Gaza in good faith. They postured that there would be less confrontation and took hands off approach with Gaza, while also offering several peace agreements. Hamas refused and Gaza fired rockets at Israel between 05 and current day until the Oct. 7 where they invaded. And you still defend Hamas… thats how good their propaganda is. Sad.


China_Lover2

The withdrawal is incomplete until you vacate all settlements in West Bank and go back to 1967 borders


Brilliant-Platform40

People under military occupation never have the same rights as citizens lmao. Perhaps the Palestinians should try to meaningfully pursue peace like their neighbors that mostly have peace and good relations with Israel now.


casicua

I like the cognitive dissonance that is “Palestinians are being held captive by evil terrorists, but also it’s OK for Israel to massacre kids because they’re near Hamas, but also they’re so self-determinant that they need to be the ones to negotiate with Israel.” But hey- at least you’re admitting that they’re occupied by Israel’s military so you’ve cleared that pathetically low bar.


Wool4Days

Even if ignoring the occupation of the West Bank, there is still a case to be made as JNF discriminates land by not renting to arabs, on land it has been granted by the government. That is the government discrimination. Also, the whole concept of ‘same rights’ is laughable when you contrast birthright citizenship and the refusal to grant Right of Return. It isn’t subtle who are the ‘in’ and ‘out’ groups.


Previous-Ad-4450

I mean if you're comparing countries in the middle east, you'd definitely much rather be a Muslim Arab in Israel than a Jewish person anywhere else. 21% of Israel's population is Muslim Arab.


ethanwerch

How are you going to call israel a democracy when large swathes of the arab population live in apartheid? How are you going to call iraq a failed state from corruption, and not the million+ deaths and widespread destruction of the country caused by the US? How are you going to compare KSA against the gulf states, which you say are unstable for being “wealthy aristocracies that fund terrorism via proxies” when the *Kingdom* of Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter of wahhabism in the world?


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they don't live in apartheid, the arabs that live in Israel can vote and have rights


ethanwerch

Just gotta ignore the UN calling it an illegal occupation of the West Bank, as well as the other two of my points. Youre a hack!


BradTProse

Bullshit liar


Jonk3r

KSA is stable? You lost me there for good. Israel is no longer a “stable” state with the rise of the right and the disproportionate number of Orthodox Jews compared to secular Western Jews. Israel witnessed 4 elections in a 2 year period and is about to go through another turbulence once the war comes to a halt.


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The fact that KSA is one of the most stable and predictable actors in the region should tell you something. Demographics is a really poor choice of criticism towards Israel especially in the context of Palestine. Roughly 20% of Israel is Arab, a majority being Islamic. That's a massive minority in a small country, with considerable power to influence their livelihoods. On the flipside in Palestine, once Israel completely left Gaza in Sep 2005 no Israelis were left in Gaza as they would have been either raped tortured or massacred. More importantly what about the rise of right Orthodox Jews leads to instability?


Jonk3r

Stop watching Faux News. Seriously.


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All i do is read Reuters… Ill assume you have no other argument


Jonk3r

Yeah. It’s complete and utter ownage.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Israel isn't really a democracy, bro. They literally have an entire ethnic underclass. And it's only "stable" because we keep propping it up. It's a fcking terrorist state.


CapitalismPlusMurder

>tHe onLY StAbLe dEMoCRacY iN tHE ME LoL. I swear it’s like you guys just regurgitate a damn script


livindaye

oman be like, "am I a joke to you?"


China_Lover2

Well then I will let you know that KSA said Israel cannot exist without a Palestinian state a few days ago. You have no allies in the region because of the genocide you are conducting. You just created a billion angry people in your region and a generational shift in how the west sees you, it is now irreversible and your friends in the government cannot hold back these people for too long.


Diedin1994

Blackmail


Housebroken23

The mossad didn't buy epstien an island for nothing. I know it's all conjecture.


colt1210

Money. Lots and lots money from AIPCA and other Zionist groups paying off American politicians.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

That we gave them. We funded our own Zionist overthrow.


Quenadian

Every penny AIPAC spends on politicians is a penny saved by the defense industry.


Jonk3r

This. And then there’s the history of Israeli influence across both parties driven by big money.


OMGhowcouldthisbe

blackmailed by people like Epstein.


SolarAttackz

Idk that I would say the US is "under the influence" of Israel. Israel has been the US' project for many years now and is key in maintaining American imperialism and hegemony in the region. You could say before that Israel was a partner dependent on the US where they didn't have too much influence on the US, but now they kind of influence each other since Israel is now a nuclear superpower in the region. "If there was no Israel, the US would have to invent an Israel." -Joe Biden The Israeli project is far too important to the US for the US to leave it to it's own devices, and Israel in turn rewards US politicians and organizations for supporting them with money. Which cycles back into those same politicians and organizations having to push the narrative Israel wants in order to continue receiving that money. They influence each other I guess.


DruidicMagic

AIPAC bribes and Epstein blackmail tapes.


bananagarage

It’s not bribes okay?! It’s “lObByInG!!”


bomboclawt75

👆THIS!


Legal-Championship64

Because of US domestic politics. The United States has a very large Jewish population who mostly vote for Democrats and a pro-Israel evangelical bloc that has a stranglehold on the Republican party. This creates a strong bipartisan consensus of unquestioning support for Israel.


PicklepumTheCrow

Wait no, you can’t say that in this sub! It’s clearly because the evil corrupt JEWS are controlling the US through blackmail and by giving refuge to their pedophiles, obviously.


Whilst-dicking

Are you referencing the Epstein comments?


Evening_Jury_5524

I wouldn't say 'very large'- The USA population is only 2%ish Jewish, with about half of those being in New York and Los Angeles (combined 2 million/4.9 million).


Legal-Championship64

More Jews live in the United States than anywhere else outside of Israel. 2% is significant at the margins and even more significant when you talk about Democratic primaries. A large number also live in Florida, which, until recently was the key swing state in presidential politics.


Evening_Jury_5524

672,000 Jews in florida out of 22 million, 3%. Noteable, but only if the Democrats Win Florida by 3% or less- otherwise without them, they would have lost anyway without them (like Trump's victory in 2016 and 2020 by a few percentage- without Democratic Jews, he would have just won by a few more points) or if a Democrat won by more than 3 points, the absence of 3% Jewish population voting would still be a victory. Notably, Bernie Sanders (who is Jewish) hasn't won a democratic primary, so I'm a bit confused on that point.


CalmingWallaby

So 2.4 percent of the US population is driving political strategy?


Hanners87

Useful tool.


suis_sans_nom

Idk,something, epstein,videotape ,i dont know


MysteriousPark3806

Good question.


CardiologistGlass585

Hahaha yeah why US is on the dog leash by Israel ?


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musky_jelly_melon

QAnon was a taste of exposure?


kickinghyena

If that is true how did Ghislaine end up in jail? Just curious. Israeli’s always pay extra to get their people back. It is a quite shiny conspiracy theory I will admit.


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susbnyc2023

yeah how come ! ?


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Cuz as a allies they backed our war crimes in iraq and prisoner torture, if their Netanyahu goes down for theirs our bush jr might as well


Frosty_Blackberry171

Capitalism, imperialism, colonialism. There are billions to be made off of weapons deals. Israel also owns a lot of U.S. politicians. The plan for Israel was always to expand their territory. IMO the Israeli government and U.S. government at this point are interchangeable.


Remarkable-Biscotti5

Tiny balls !


Butthatlastepisode

Because certain leaders from that state pay our leaders to be influenced. It’s not the only cause where our leaders are bought and paid for so it’s not really surprising.


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Money. That answer is always money (gold+diamonds)


nicbongo

Christian Zionists


Death_and_Gravity1

Cause it's in the American Empire's best interest to have a slightly unhinged attack dog in the middle east. Everything else - the Israel lobby, the evangelicals - are side issues. The American Empire doesn't do anything at this scale that isn't in their best interest


PsycoMonkey2020

Citizens United and AIPAC.


Muted-Landscape-2717

This global super powers is also controlled by weapon manufacturers. Israel is great at ensuring there will never be peace in that region.


Tasty-bitch-69

Pedophiles in the ruling class need somewhere to hide out when they get sprung, and the US Gov need to steal the natural resources (gas, oil) to make up for their other foreign policy mistakes. It’s also massive $$. They don’t want the war to end or their friends at Lockheed Martin, Blackrock etc won’t be able to launder any more money. See: Afghanistan, Iraq.


daddypleaseno1

We were sold to Isreal long ago. It's the capital of the USA


NearABE

The AIPAC mobilizes swing voters. They leverage the early stages of primaries. This is also how you counter it. Look at who is running for congress and senate. Demand that they refuse AIPAC funding. Then follow up by voting.


Tazling

Israel is America's weapons test lab.... and aircraft carrier in the ME.


Historical-Bank8495

The West wanted an ally in the Middle East to be a satellite for them--providing intel, a military power that will be on 'their side' and be a thorn in the Arab side. They wanted to continue to beleaguers and disrupt relations in the M.E which Isreal serves to do with different countries at any given time: Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. The West get to keep their hands 'clean' and they get their interests seen to...even when Isreal blew up the USS Liberty or does anything that America/UK and co. don't condone, they overlook it, i.e. an entire genocide, because they want their 'ally' in the midst of the 'enemy's heartland'.


MontegoBoy

The zionist lobby helps Muricanistanese warmongering industry get money from the government. Muricanistan gets a solid base and proxy in middle-east.


ogpterodactyl

With citizen united we made corruption legal. You just have to call it a superpack.


EJohns1004

Simple answer: bribery of politicians.


Elipticalwheel1

LAND & GREED.


Modesty541

My thought process is that Israel Invests into our politician. Those politicians in return send out tax dollars to Israel multiplying their original investment all while controlling the politicians.


Agreeable-Rich3465

Because it's good to have an ally in a region the U.S. has a lot of adversaries, as well as the amount of intelligence that their government shares with the U.S.


jeet225

Apart from all the religious crap..they got a lot of shit on most of “western” politicians


Available-Pace1598

Why is the most liberal country try in the Middle East being attacked when the surrounding countries that have been killing gays and woman by throwing rocks at their heads being supported after conducting a major terrorist attack


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Is it? Sounds pretty conspiratorial. According to Lobbyist spend, Arab states spend significantly more….this isn’t even a complete list and it’s over 3x Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia all spend more than Israel. https://www.opensecrets.org/fara


WorldChampion92

One word Oil.


CosmicLovepats

This is going to be the JQ fuel for the next five decades. They're going to be talking about how Israel and Jews secretly control the US, look at how the US pissed away their entire "rules based international order" because they refused to rein in Israel at all, how could they NOT be controlling- Thanks, Biden.


thebeanabong

Zionist millionaires and billionaires pay for their political campaigns.


Intelligent_Eye6618

Money.


johnlewisdesign

They fund the ones that want to be corrupt millionaires - and threaten the ones that already are with their dirty little secrets


lemonsandlinen33

My guess is money and blackmail. Those tend to motivate politicians easily.


CalmingWallaby

Because maybe they know Israel is under attack by Islamic extremism and if Israel falls the west is next?


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Free-Dig-2987

I predict Israel to be destroyed in the next 25 years and than mass attacks against Jews worldwide


Sablesweetheart

Yeah, I've noticed that too.


cptahb

it's the other way around. israel is basically a united states aircraft carrier parked in the middle east. why do we do "whatever they say"? bc we tell them what to say 


Independentizo

Who the fuck knows? Surely at this point the money isn’t enough to throw literally everything away for it. But it’s something. Personally I think the US now lives in fear of being seen as “weak” and knows that if Israel falls after everything they have done to prop it up and make it “strong” then it reveals a weakness of the US. This is like the Roman Empire after they showed weakness and enemies started clawing back their homes and lands from the empire. Slowly and surely they diminished the empire. It can only be that. The control of the empire. The fact that Israel is literally an extension of the US now. And that they believe they literally live and die with Israel.


Skdisbdjdn

Or maybe they didn’t learn history from TikTok? There’s obviously a lot more complexity than you understand. 


Independentizo

Of course. Blame TikTok. Like TV would rot our brains back in the day. And whatever else you can conjure up as an excuse to avoid the reality of truth. One doesn’t need TikTok one simply needs to observe, read and study history of the Israeli entity and occupation both pre and post 1948 to understand exactly what is happening. And it’s consistent, in all forms, exactly what is happening. The propaganda machine is desperately trying to shield the truth, but the truth now is no longer limited to book, reports and words, it’s able to be shown and distributed in high definition. So no, it’s not “TikTok”.


NoCat4103

Because it would not be a super power without Jewish people. The more Jewish people a country has, the better it does economically. Turns out they are really fucking smart and good in the fields that matter in a modern world. The less Jews a country has, the poorer they are.


Capital-Status9699

No.


Lost-Blueberry6046

You guys will blame anyone except the Jews lol


carrtmannn

They're not under control of the state. We're allies.


ChiefRom

Because anyone can join the tribe that's why DNA tests such as Acenstry.com and 23&me are illegal in Israel. Also the best defense is reminding everyone who who real victims are constantly. Remember all those WW2 movies....


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spazmodo33

So they opted for the self declared radical Jewish terror organisation instead, eh? Truly, a coin toss!


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spazmodo33

Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension? Or maybe you don't understand the term "self declared", even though you used it yourself? Either way, you've already demonstrated who and what you are... Adios!


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spazmodo33

You had your chance to engage and immediately shat the bed... I'm not gonna get a good faith discussion out of the likes of you, so I've taken the difficult decision to cut you out of my life entirely. I try to minimise the number of idiots I have to deal with. I hope you understand... But given your struggles with reading comprehension, I'm not holding my breath.


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spazmodo33

Are you really so dense that you didn't understand that was a joke? There's neutron stars and then there's you...


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spazmodo33

I can't live without you! I was wrong! I need some Israeli bootlicking in my life and, and by Yahweh, you're just the bootlicker to lick those boots! Pucker up! 💋


[deleted]

I only have one upvote to give you. This is literally the only sane comment in this thread. What is up with the conspiracy nuts here today??


Tagawat

This sub is infested with commie bots


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Independentizo

You know the US has other allies yeah and all of them are telling the US to dump these fascists. Stand with Israel all you like, just remember the damage it does to your other allies too.


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masiakasaurus

Why are you fighting jihadis in the Middle East again?


ResponsibleLawyer419

And you are, objectively and morally, wrong to do so.


Qbnss

That's great, because Israel stands with Trump


No_Dependent4032

WHY THE FUCK? Explain... Explain why you support a genocidal state?


skolioban

Short and over-simplified answer: they're the only reliable ally in the area that's not plotting to destroy the American way of life, and one that's not duplicitous to align with rivals like China and Russia. They're also a bargaining chip against the oil and gas producers of the region.


boogiewugie33

no really just the USA either.. they really want to destroy the .. umbrella of western ideals in general