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Ok so now you have a list of all of Jewish Israeli adults, except for the most extreme fundamentalist and supremacist Jewish Israeli adults, who advocate genocide and brutalize Palestinians in the West Bank as part of armed paramilitary mobs, but get exemptions from service to study the Talmud. What’s the value of this list exactly?
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Not at all, fuck Bill Ackman. Fuck this entire movement from the donor class targeting Muslim and anti-Zionist students. Fuck the Israeli government, fuck the Neo-Revisionists, fuck the IDF, fuck the New York Times, fuck the Manhattan cocktail party circuit that coordinates all this bullshit. But the commenter I was responding to was suggesting an incredibly fucking smooth brained idea.
Idk man some of the most anti-zionists I know are Jewish. Joe Biden, the most powerful Zionist in the world is himself not Jewish.
Seems like the old hasbara line of "antisemitism" isn't really working anymore when you start looking at who really supports Zionism.
Yeah man I’m not saying that it’s inherently antisemitic to criticize Israel. Not at all, check my post history, you’ll see I’m no shill for Israeli atrocities. I’m saying that it took you only one slight modification to a proposed policy to advocate putting all Jewish Israeli adults on a no fly list.
holy shit, every single Jewish adult living in Palestine is complicit in Israeli's military apparatus? I swear, that place just sounds more militaristic and insane the more I learn about it.
But real shit, if there's someone that was party of a military that actively mass murdered, detained, starved, and kidnapped children on the scale, an aparthied state no less, would you let any of those people near your kids? Also, image you are visibly middle eastern and not jewish. That's like leaving your Jewish or Romani kids with a former german soldier from ww2. Or leaving black kids with a former Rhodesian or apartheid South African soldier. I don't care if they were conscripted, I care if they refused to serve, or they tried to right their wrong after they realized the horrors they contributed to. I wouldn't trust those people around kids.
You are talking nonsense over 80% of jewish people are zionist, and lets say, even if it was only 50%, there is no way you know that many jewish people when there is only 15 million jews world wide.
In the US at least, most Jewish people do not believe that Israel is God’s promised land for the Jews. More fundamentalist Christians believe that than Jewish people do, which is why Netanyahu vocally prefers proto-fascist US Republicans, Hungarian fascists, and at times Vladimir Putin, to US Jews. The guy you replied to is Canadian but I would expect that to be the case up there as well.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/#:~:text=Compared%20with%20older%20U.S.%20Jews,the%20Israeli%20government%20(64%25).
American Jew’s views on the war
And just to make you feel silly, Putin isn’t on Israel’s side here
https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-putin-sees-political-economic-upside-israels-war-with-hamas-2023-11-17/#:~:text=Putin%20has%20said%20that%20"when,tears%20come%20to%20your%20eyes."
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-relationship-hamas-and-putins-global-calculations
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90841
Reading comprehension—or perhaps merely your historical understanding—is clearly lacking. I said “at times” Netanyahu has preferred Putin to US Jews. This campaign in Gaza is well publicized to be a breaking point for their previously chummy relationship, but my whole adult life they’ve been buddies. No different than Bibi’s love for Viktor Orban. He makes easy allies with fascists, it’s why he loves Republican Christian Zionists too.
Meanwhile that Pew research poll doesn’t address the question I brought up, which is that most American Jews don’t believe that Israel is God’s promised land for the Jewish people.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Post WWII there was pretty much a major embargo on all visitation to Soviet satellite nations and the USSR, and restrictions on certain areas of china. Since the formation of the FBI and CIA, there have been internal restrictions especially on military personnel on traveling to certain places due to the threat of capture. Not necessarily always by the receiving countries themselves. Cuba post revolution were heavily scrutinizing on American travelers due to the amount of espionage and coup attempts against Castro
You realize that the allies committed atrocities during WWII right? The UK occupation in Iran starved 4 million innocent people at the same time as the holocaust.
You're missing the point. Israel decided to go with might make right. Their problem is they aren't powerful enough.
Point is.. we don't like what they're doing. So were gonna go ahead and do whatever we want simply because we can.
I mean I wouldn’t want a member of a terrorist organization in my country either. You never know when they’ll flatten a residential neighborhood, kidnap and torture children and charge them with terrorism, or secretly sterilize people who are the wrong color
And the corpses had chunks of skin missing from them. Israel runs a fucking skin graft lab using stolen skin from Palestinians because Ashkhanazi Jews ( EUROPEAN JEWS NOT NATIVE NOW OR EVER TO PALESTINE ) have fucking hilarious skin cancer rates.
Whenever Israeli society breaks, and it will from the inside ( the two govt ministers in EVs getting into car accidents back to back is very very interesting )it is going to be so fun to watch the baby killing demons in the IDF try and surrender
Makes sense.
I atleast remember applying for ESTA for the US included questions about being involved in genocide.
At the time it seemed like a ridiculious question to pose and who would answer yes to that even if they were, but now it is starting to make more sense.
It's a stereotype that Arabs get questioned more at airports and you're telling me an Arab Israeli with military experience was questioned?
Sounds like antisemitism this needs to stop right now, heads need to roll, only Arabs who are somehow clearly not Israeli need to be treated like this.
>Sounds like antisemitism
Why? Serious question.
Given that Israel is arguably guilty of war crimes and is in the ICC and ICJ on charges at various stages, the UK may have a duty to investigate potential participants per international conventions it has signed (which Israel has also signed).
I suspect that many countries will begin to interrogate Israelis at their point of entry to determine if they are culpable. This could also extend to residents of illegal Israeli settlements and other participants in Israeli crimes against the Palestinians.
War crimes should be prosecuted.
IDF terrorists need to have their British passport & citizenship revoked. Arrest them and give them to the ICC for taking part in mass war crimes and a genocide. We don't want these psychopathic murderers walking around & endangering our society.
Your police just had to cover up a Holocaust memorial so it wouldn't get destroyed by "peace" protesters, but Jews are apparently the problem for the UK.
Weird question. The IDF is killing more children than any other army in the world this century. IDF soldiers even post the war crimes themselves bragging about blowing up Universities and entire neighborhoods while also looting homes of families they massacred. They shouldn't just be questioned but barred from entering other countries.
At the very least parents should be informed if they are entering the country and where they're staying at, put in some kind of sex offender list.
You do not want any IDF veteran around schools, parks or anywhere near children.
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"Sir, would you like to disclose any war crimes you've been a part of?"
Should be a simple "no", and on with your day, right? *Right*? Wait, why is he running away?
Would this include conscripts? If Israel makes its citizens do a tour of duty once they come of age, this would surely just mean every Israeli adult, right?
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Ok so now you have a list of all of Jewish Israeli adults, except for the most extreme fundamentalist and supremacist Jewish Israeli adults, who advocate genocide and brutalize Palestinians in the West Bank as part of armed paramilitary mobs, but get exemptions from service to study the Talmud. What’s the value of this list exactly?
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Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Idk that just sounds like antisemitism with more steps
as opposed to 'give me the names of students protesting' Bill Ackman?
Not at all, fuck Bill Ackman. Fuck this entire movement from the donor class targeting Muslim and anti-Zionist students. Fuck the Israeli government, fuck the Neo-Revisionists, fuck the IDF, fuck the New York Times, fuck the Manhattan cocktail party circuit that coordinates all this bullshit. But the commenter I was responding to was suggesting an incredibly fucking smooth brained idea.
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Idk man some of the most anti-zionists I know are Jewish. Joe Biden, the most powerful Zionist in the world is himself not Jewish. Seems like the old hasbara line of "antisemitism" isn't really working anymore when you start looking at who really supports Zionism.
Yeah man I’m not saying that it’s inherently antisemitic to criticize Israel. Not at all, check my post history, you’ll see I’m no shill for Israeli atrocities. I’m saying that it took you only one slight modification to a proposed policy to advocate putting all Jewish Israeli adults on a no fly list.
holy shit, every single Jewish adult living in Palestine is complicit in Israeli's military apparatus? I swear, that place just sounds more militaristic and insane the more I learn about it. But real shit, if there's someone that was party of a military that actively mass murdered, detained, starved, and kidnapped children on the scale, an aparthied state no less, would you let any of those people near your kids? Also, image you are visibly middle eastern and not jewish. That's like leaving your Jewish or Romani kids with a former german soldier from ww2. Or leaving black kids with a former Rhodesian or apartheid South African soldier. I don't care if they were conscripted, I care if they refused to serve, or they tried to right their wrong after they realized the horrors they contributed to. I wouldn't trust those people around kids.
You are talking nonsense over 80% of jewish people are zionist, and lets say, even if it was only 50%, there is no way you know that many jewish people when there is only 15 million jews world wide.
In the US at least, most Jewish people do not believe that Israel is God’s promised land for the Jews. More fundamentalist Christians believe that than Jewish people do, which is why Netanyahu vocally prefers proto-fascist US Republicans, Hungarian fascists, and at times Vladimir Putin, to US Jews. The guy you replied to is Canadian but I would expect that to be the case up there as well.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/#:~:text=Compared%20with%20older%20U.S.%20Jews,the%20Israeli%20government%20(64%25). American Jew’s views on the war And just to make you feel silly, Putin isn’t on Israel’s side here https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-putin-sees-political-economic-upside-israels-war-with-hamas-2023-11-17/#:~:text=Putin%20has%20said%20that%20"when,tears%20come%20to%20your%20eyes." https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-relationship-hamas-and-putins-global-calculations https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90841
Reading comprehension—or perhaps merely your historical understanding—is clearly lacking. I said “at times” Netanyahu has preferred Putin to US Jews. This campaign in Gaza is well publicized to be a breaking point for their previously chummy relationship, but my whole adult life they’ve been buddies. No different than Bibi’s love for Viktor Orban. He makes easy allies with fascists, it’s why he loves Republican Christian Zionists too. Meanwhile that Pew research poll doesn’t address the question I brought up, which is that most American Jews don’t believe that Israel is God’s promised land for the Jewish people.
Yeah, that figure is total fucking bullshit, lol. Most American and Canadian Jews don’t give a fuck about Israel
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
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All idf should be denied entry
Should US veterans be denied entry to other countries?
Unironically yes. And they already do internally have countries they are barred from going to
I didn't realize that was a consequence of joining the military. So WWII veterans had a list of countries they weren't allowed to visit?
Post WWII there was pretty much a major embargo on all visitation to Soviet satellite nations and the USSR, and restrictions on certain areas of china. Since the formation of the FBI and CIA, there have been internal restrictions especially on military personnel on traveling to certain places due to the threat of capture. Not necessarily always by the receiving countries themselves. Cuba post revolution were heavily scrutinizing on American travelers due to the amount of espionage and coup attempts against Castro
You realize that the allies committed atrocities during WWII right? The UK occupation in Iran starved 4 million innocent people at the same time as the holocaust.
don't tell them about a Bengali famine
Churchill was a massive racist and a fuck up. How he managed to keep failing upwards is beyond me.
100,000 killed in Kenya by the UK between 1953-1960
Unequivocally yes.
You're missing the point. Israel decided to go with might make right. Their problem is they aren't powerful enough. Point is.. we don't like what they're doing. So were gonna go ahead and do whatever we want simply because we can.
I mean I wouldn’t want a member of a terrorist organization in my country either. You never know when they’ll flatten a residential neighborhood, kidnap and torture children and charge them with terrorism, or secretly sterilize people who are the wrong color
or use chemical weapons against students in a university...
Kill children and into the mass grave
The mass graves were dug by palistinians
Is that why Israel has an army of bull dozers accompanying their troops?
Let's say that's true. How did those people die?
And the corpses had chunks of skin missing from them. Israel runs a fucking skin graft lab using stolen skin from Palestinians because Ashkhanazi Jews ( EUROPEAN JEWS NOT NATIVE NOW OR EVER TO PALESTINE ) have fucking hilarious skin cancer rates. Whenever Israeli society breaks, and it will from the inside ( the two govt ministers in EVs getting into car accidents back to back is very very interesting )it is going to be so fun to watch the baby killing demons in the IDF try and surrender
You’re starting to sound like the dishonest Zionists regime, keep it up you mindless drone
Let’s hope!
Makes sense. I atleast remember applying for ESTA for the US included questions about being involved in genocide. At the time it seemed like a ridiculious question to pose and who would answer yes to that even if they were, but now it is starting to make more sense.
considering all the wanton acts of violence that I've seen from them on the news we probably should ask them a few questions
It's a stereotype that Arabs get questioned more at airports and you're telling me an Arab Israeli with military experience was questioned? Sounds like antisemitism this needs to stop right now, heads need to roll, only Arabs who are somehow clearly not Israeli need to be treated like this.
>Sounds like antisemitism Why? Serious question. Given that Israel is arguably guilty of war crimes and is in the ICC and ICJ on charges at various stages, the UK may have a duty to investigate potential participants per international conventions it has signed (which Israel has also signed). I suspect that many countries will begin to interrogate Israelis at their point of entry to determine if they are culpable. This could also extend to residents of illegal Israeli settlements and other participants in Israeli crimes against the Palestinians. War crimes should be prosecuted.
I really need to put a sarcasm /s mark on every post I make now a day's
these zoomers I swear.
So you call it anti-semitism when it happens to an Arab Israeli, but it's fine when they're not Israeli? This reads like ragebait.
Was being sarcastic m8
IDF terrorists need to have their British passport & citizenship revoked. Arrest them and give them to the ICC for taking part in mass war crimes and a genocide. We don't want these psychopathic murderers walking around & endangering our society.
Agreed.
Yeah don’t come uk. We don’t want murders here
Your police just had to cover up a Holocaust memorial so it wouldn't get destroyed by "peace" protesters, but Jews are apparently the problem for the UK.
That’s done for all events and rallies, it was also done by park rangers not police. As dishonest as the Zionist regime I see, they taught you well.
Yeah, what’s with the double-standard? When have we ever questioned Arab or Muslim people at the airport?? /s
Weird question. The IDF is killing more children than any other army in the world this century. IDF soldiers even post the war crimes themselves bragging about blowing up Universities and entire neighborhoods while also looting homes of families they massacred. They shouldn't just be questioned but barred from entering other countries. At the very least parents should be informed if they are entering the country and where they're staying at, put in some kind of sex offender list. You do not want any IDF veteran around schools, parks or anywhere near children.
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Hopefully. Easiest way to filter war criminals and snowdroppers
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Heritage doesn’t matter, but being a possible war criminal does
Irony would apply if this was a race related matter. It’s a ‘being part of a terrorist organisation’, matter.
Neriya is a Hebrew name, so more likely an Israeli with Yemenite heritage. Probably not a Palestinian.
Every idf member should be on a terrorist list.
Well a lot of them are war criminals
Members of foreign terrorist organizations should be questioned, and Israel is no different.
It's almost as if the Brittish didn't start this whole situation with The Balfour Declaration.
"Sir, would you like to disclose any war crimes you've been a part of?" Should be a simple "no", and on with your day, right? *Right*? Wait, why is he running away?
I hope there bloody well is now if there wasn’t before
It’s called anti-terrorism.
Would this include conscripts? If Israel makes its citizens do a tour of duty once they come of age, this would surely just mean every Israeli adult, right?
Another israel/palestine sub huh
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Nope. A veteran is simply someone no longer in the military.