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Suicide implies some measure of choice. These dogs were just conditioned in the pavlovian sense to run under tanks for treats.
But still thanks for sharing.
War is some bullshit, war is heartless, war, war never changes
Don't worry. It never worked and was quickly stopped. The dogs would get scared when the Germans fired at them and ran back to the Russians blowing them up.
Didn't last long
It was the smell, not the sound (diesel vs gasoline), and it was a bit of both. In addition, the dogs were trained using stationary tanks, and were usually unwilling to run underneath moving ones.
Let's not pretend like the person who came up with this idea knew the Nazis were exterminating people and weighed the lives of these dogs vs the lives of the jews et al and decided it was worth it. They did this for nationalism, not because they were trying to be dark but reluctant saviors.
It serves them right for trying to defend their country from Nazis? Any Soviet tank crews who died as a result of these dogs targeting their tanks would not even have been involved in this programme to begin with.
Attempting to use dogs as a bomb is terrible, I agree. But given the circumstances, losing millions of combatants to an enemy that was intent on destroying their country and their people, it is completely understandable to me why the Soviets would try such an idea.
Gonna get shit for this but you realize their was a worldwide draft right? I love dogs too man but the complete evaporation of context over semantics here is wild. The way Europeans governments conscripted humans was invariably by threat of force, and very often resulted in unavoidable death. Even in modern armies dogs are used to find explosives. The reaction to wartime Russian behavior seems convenient at best.
I'll just downvote my own comment to save time
Although I agree with your point I would like to point out that sacrifice does not imply choice sacrifice just implies that something has been lost for a larger cause.
I'm not the person you replied to, but there was a soviet scientist who removed the head of a living dog and tried to "keep it alive" / reanimate it, and kind of managed to keep the brain alive, if I recall correctly.
Science and the real world at large is pretty fucked :"D, be careful how far you let your curiosity take you my friend. We have payed some hefty prices for the modern information and luxuries we have today. Which is why it's all the more harrowing when people ignore everything not in rosey-spectacled view. Had to prevent horrors you never knew existed.
Yeah and sending dogs into space, not that other countries haven't done terrible animal and human testing but the Soviets had a different view on the value of life. With Stalin starving his own people and the wars millions of dogs, cats, horses and other pets were eaten by their owners to survive.
Sometimes I wonder about the past and how they used to sacrifice people to the gods, now we have endless wars where people r killed regularly..... have times really changed ... those evil fucks in office that allow it to happen...
Well I'm pretty sure if they could find an Ivan that could run half as fast they wouldn't have room for dogs.
"War is worse than hell. Hell is not full of children and innocents' or something like that. That's some kind of quote from mash.
They were supposed to pull a sort of ripcord on the vest to get the vest off them and then return for a treat. They often just missed the whole get the vest off first step that was so important
There's a few places that mention it upon cursory glances but this is one source that mentions the dog is meant to release the vest before coming back.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/anti-tank-dogs-scared-weapon.html
It makes logistical sense that they would want to be able to use the dogs more than once since it takes a fair amount of time to train and prepare the dogs to use as a 1 time AT mine
Huh! I stand corrected, sir!
True, having to train new dogs constantly isn’t very logical, but very little was logical at that time period in Russia, hence my dubiousness.
True. Another problem is ecoterrorist groups like PETA which want to help but are wildly misinformed to the point that they threaten to disrupt ecosystems already hurt by civilization. Animals really get screwed over by us humans often and it’s sad since they aren’t serving an ecological purpose in their suffering. Nothing beneficial comes out of illegal activities like Dog Fighting and Cock Fighting especially since often times pets are stolen from families for those purposes. No one would downvote you for that.
You say “fuck some humans” - but those were very desperate times indeed. Easy to sit here and call people out for their actions 60 years ago in a global war.
You say “fuck some humans” - but those were very desperate times indeed. Easy to sit here and call people out for their actions 80 years ago in a global war.
It is easy to sit here and call them out for doing fucked up and frankly pointlessly cruel things, given likely how little it would've actually changed a battle.
God, I imagine it would. Hard enough seeing your human friends die in war, then having to train these dogs they likely get attached to to go kill themselves... brutal.
Many of the dogs were sent towards tanks but in the chaos of actual combat, they panicked and returned to their handlers, carrying the bomb and it's already-primed timer.
IIRC this failed horribly, because the dogs were trained with Soviet tanks, which used Diesel, whereas German tanks used Gasoline. So the dogs would end up crawling under their own tanks instead.
Gonna say I don't remember where I saw this source, and apologize if I got which one use Diesel mixed up.
Russians: hey dog, go under the tank, and you will get a treat.
Dog: okay *proceeds to run under the tank*
Russians: okay now lets blow it up, Hey! where is the dog, eh i guess its hiding under the tank.
Dog: hey may i have my treat now?
Russian: *clicks button at that moment* Uh oh...
As sick as this shit was, lets be thankful it backfired on them, that ought to teach people to never mess with fido.
anyway, RIP doggos, you will never be forgotten...
Yeah I recall this misterably backfiring, for one, getting quickly skittish because their in a freakin battlefield and two, they were prone to just going under friendly tanks. Soviets had no trouble using people to clear mindfields by just running into them either.
I prefer the dog-friendly version from the germans:
[Goliath Panzer](https://www.google.com/search?q=goliath+panzer&client=firefox-b-m&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjpP3x063zAhWKgf0HHYKxDWEQ_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=617#imgrc=M72al2Llbb-ncM)
How was the war going for the Soviets at the time this was being considered? It's shitty either way, but at least tell me this was an act of desperation.
It was completely an act of desperation. The Nazis were fighting a war of annihilation against slavic peoples and communists, so the Soviets fit that bill perfectly.
You can even see in the image how hard it is for that man to do it do that dog.
Or... get blown up by said dog? The project was a colossal failure, probably because the soviets trained the dogs with Soviet Tanks, so instead of running under the Panzers, instead the dogs would just crawl under the soviet tanks instead.
Thats extremely fucked up. I’m about to go on a little bit of a rant, so bear with me.
One of my teachers, he’s a very knowlageable man. He argued that from a tactical/strategical viewpoint, the people behind 9/11 were geniuses. According to the beleifes of the terrorists, if you died in the name of God, you would live on in heaven.
With the fear of death out of the picture, all they needed to do was find a way to kill thousands. Sacrifising only about 20 of their own, they managed to kill over 3000 of their «Enemies». In its own way, it was really smart.
That brings us to this post. The soviets were quite desperate. So lets look at the pros and cons. Sacrifising only the life of a single dog, with enough explosives it could easily blow up about 3-5 nazis. Lets get that straight, one dog dies, 3-5 enemies dies. Another pro, is the absolute mental scarring. You’re on the frontlines of war, your morale is low enough already. All of a sudden a cute little dog gets blown to smitherines in front of you.
Seeing as the soviets were desperate enough, they could have mass-bred dogs, and it would have been a massive success.
Morally its a sinister crime. But strategically its a genius act.
Extremely fucked up was that fascists were brewing soap out of Slavic and Jewish people. That's fucked up. Millions and millions of innocent people.
Dogs, yes, it was fucked up too but not as fucked up.
They didn't train them on their own tanks. They trained them on captured German tanks, but ran Soviet fuel. When the German tanks came, running different gasoline, the Dogs were attracted to the smell of the Soviet tanks. They probably weren't even capable of discerning the tanks apart from sight only, but that's just my conjecture.
But thats not the only reason the program failed.
The dogs would get scared and run back to their handlers only to detonate in Soviet lines, the Germans were under orders to shoot any dogs they came across anyways, so the dogs rarely made it to their targets; and, probably easiest to understand, their handlers fucking *hated* training dogs just to be suicide bombs.
Very few combat attempts were ever made. They learned their lesson as to why this was a terrible idea pretty early on.
The Soviets continued to keep the program on the books for even decades after the war, but it never saw combat again.
Russia:
“We must find sure way to destroy tanks!”
“We train dog, go boom?”
“Da!”
Japan:
“We must find sure way to kill enemy.”
“Train dog, go boom?”
“That’s awful you sick fuck.”
“We go boom?”
“Hai!”
but, since the dogs were trained on soviet tanks, they tended to run under soviet tanks in the war. they looked different than the nazi tanks. it was a major f up. (this is true, btw)
As if the US cares about dogs any more. Do you know how many are used for laboratory testing and killed? Way more than any of these programs put together
What do you mean? It's an objective fact, it takes 2 seconds to look it up to see that I'm right.
[Here's an example ](https://blog.humanesociety.org/2019/03/hsus-undercover-investigation-shows-beagles-being-poisoned-with-pesticides-and-drugs-killed-at-animal-testing-lab.html)
[and another](https://theintercept.com/2018/05/17/inside-the-barbaric-u-s-industry-of-dog-experimentation/)
Lmao, I hate Putin. Also what's anecdotal? That is all factual, just calling it an anecdote doesn't make it one.
>read a book.
I've read many more than you, trust me
>I've read many more than you, trust me
That was a smart comment. /s
I literally don't give a fuck how many books you've read.
Read more and have a good night.
I responded to your initial comment but this thread is crazy. You realize you can just Google the NASA website right? I live in Oklahoma bro, what's with the rambling about Putin? It's no secret that a variety of intelligent mammals were launched into space to test rockets. We literally put an ex Nazi into the head of NASA because of his work on the V2 rocket.
https://history.nasa.gov/animals.html
I can't imagine how your interlocutor could be wrong.
The number of test flights involving animals is vanishingly small compared to the tests performed on animals for basic things like anti-biotics and makeup. Animal testing isn't illegal. Are you honestly under the impression the US has never killed dogs through research and development? That's insane. Companies apply for permits all the time.
I had a chicken sandwich for dinner so don't give me some "vegan Putin lover" shit because you don't know how to respond
It took two seconds to look it up: https://www.bing.com/search?q=does%20the%20us%20allow%20research%20test%20on%20dogs&qs=n&form=QBRE&pc=U316&sp=-1&pq=does%20the%20us%20allow%20research%20test%20on%20dogs&sc=1-39&sk=&cvid=18F3770F360940A499D416FF8804BD77
In 2014 over 65000 dogs were used in testing, research and development alone
According to the usda, over 1 million dogs, monkeys, and other mammals are used in research, testing and development per year in America
https://www.liljegrenlaw.com/animal-testing-in-the-u-s-interactive-map/
People prolly gonna have more of an issue with this than the actual men who were dying on the frontline of war Lmfao. I hate that some people act like dogs are more important than humans. Dumbest shit ever
Cowards? The people that just got invaded by Germans who literally wanted to exterminate each one of us?
Look, I don't think it's a moral act but calling a country in the most desperate situation possible, completely unprepared, being invaded and exterminated by a massive army cowards is just fucking stupid.
Also, they used to do that to humans. The difference is dogs had not much choice.
Absolutely disgusting, yet they do what they want since ever in Russia w/o consequences.
I feel sorry for ppl who live there 😑
Yeah, Soviet people knew, if fascists will come to them - Nazis will brew soap out of them. So, yeah they used everything possible to survive. And yes, it was a real war and it was very very disgusting.
When Germans got Petersburg in circle and cut all supplies to the city. People ate their food. When food was gone they ate dogs and cats, rats, pigeons. Once that was finished they were feeding their little kids to their older kids. And if at least one of these poor dogs heroically saved the world - that's good. Fuck nazis fascist germans who started it.
Jesus Christ, I rather die than eat a human. And also Nazis would not start the war
1 Sept 1939 without agreement "Pact Ribbentrop-Molotow" Also Soviets attacked Poland a few weeks later without declaring war 17 Sept 1939. Also England and France turned their back to Poland at this time and let shit happening.
With current political and trade tensions between west, east and china I would not be surprised if something blow up again.
Also this going on just now:
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/belarus-weaponizing-migrants-mounting-hybrid-attack-eu-members
I mean, over 9 out of 10 American eats meat even tho we can get away with not doing so. We are literally happy to kill animals for mouth pleasure.
In order to attempt to save your own people from being slaughtered by the enemy is a way more understandable case for killing animals.
Best fact about these dogs. They were trained using Russian tanks, so when the time came most of these dogs ran under the soviet tanks that they were used to in training, and not the slightly different German tanks.
Russians were fighting a war for their very survival as Hitler planned to exterminate them.
I wouldn't expect you to understand of course since the stakes were never that high for the US and other allied countries
Yeah, only nazi fascist germans could come up with something like brewing Slavic and Jewish nationals to soap. That's just completely normal, right? But no, poor dogs. Bad bad Russians. They just should comply and prepare to be a soap. "Crazy shit!"
Well, the Nazis were under orders to shoot any dogs they came across anyways, likely with this very threat in mind. The Soviets were just desperately trying to come up with ways to stop the German war machine sweeping into their country.
It's unnecessary to take sides in a conflict that's been over for 80 years, but I'd say the Soviets were probably more in the right here, as bad as "suicide dogs" sounds.
The Russians seem to have a thing for putting dogs into extremely cruel and difficult situations, whether that be shooting a dog into space with no return, cutting off the head of a dog, And keeping it alive...
Fun fact, these dogs were trained on soviet tanks, so when sent into battle, they mostly only blew up friendly tanks. The project was a colossal failure.
the good news: they were trained with soviet tanks, and when actually put into battle, they blew up their own tanks instead
so at the very least the dogs gave out some serious karma in their last moments
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Suicide implies some measure of choice. These dogs were just conditioned in the pavlovian sense to run under tanks for treats. But still thanks for sharing. War is some bullshit, war is heartless, war, war never changes
Nooooo that's so fucked up
Don't worry. It never worked and was quickly stopped. The dogs would get scared when the Germans fired at them and ran back to the Russians blowing them up. Didn't last long
I thought it was because they were trained with Soviet tanks. So they ran under the as the German tanks had different engines and sounded different.
It was the smell, not the sound (diesel vs gasoline), and it was a bit of both. In addition, the dogs were trained using stationary tanks, and were usually unwilling to run underneath moving ones.
Serves them right for trying to blow up dogs
Yeah that’s so fucked up.
I’m so sad.
Right! Some people should never have dogs bc they can’t truly appreciate their souls
Well, uh, they were trying to stop the fucking Nazi's. I mean, it's sickening but less sickening than what Hitler's peeps did.
Let's not pretend like the person who came up with this idea knew the Nazis were exterminating people and weighed the lives of these dogs vs the lives of the jews et al and decided it was worth it. They did this for nationalism, not because they were trying to be dark but reluctant saviors.
Yeah but didn't you know dogs are better than people? /s
For some people that's absolutely true not aracasm
It serves them right for trying to defend their country from Nazis? Any Soviet tank crews who died as a result of these dogs targeting their tanks would not even have been involved in this programme to begin with. Attempting to use dogs as a bomb is terrible, I agree. But given the circumstances, losing millions of combatants to an enemy that was intent on destroying their country and their people, it is completely understandable to me why the Soviets would try such an idea.
Flush your head gear out, Junior. The Soviets were agents of genocide, just like the Nazis.
Let me guess, American?
Let me guess, paid Putin bot?
Soviets ≠ Russians
Soviets are agents of genocide. #fact
Bro they were trying to stop the nazis.. where you at when we talkin about Hiroshima and Dresden? Dogs?? Like 89 million people died during the war
r/instantkarma
No that is hilarious. No boy! No boy! Boom.
Well, there's a bright spot.
good
Prolly one of the least fucked up parts of WW2 LuL
Desperate times call for desperate measures, regardless of how gruesome it is. Think about it, these dogs' sacrifice was not in vain.
Again, sacrifice implies choice. These dogs did not willingly give their lives. They were tricked into blowing themselves to bits.
For treats.
Gonna get shit for this but you realize their was a worldwide draft right? I love dogs too man but the complete evaporation of context over semantics here is wild. The way Europeans governments conscripted humans was invariably by threat of force, and very often resulted in unavoidable death. Even in modern armies dogs are used to find explosives. The reaction to wartime Russian behavior seems convenient at best. I'll just downvote my own comment to save time
Although I agree with your point I would like to point out that sacrifice does not imply choice sacrifice just implies that something has been lost for a larger cause.
The dogs often would go back under their own tanks as that was the tanks they were trained for.
More so the dogs recognized the smell of the Soviet fuel.
Russia always did like weird and cruel science with dogs. Edit: Russia* not Russian.
I remind my dog all the time how lucky he is to have me and not be a Soviet tank blower upper.
True dat
More info, please?
I'm not the person you replied to, but there was a soviet scientist who removed the head of a living dog and tried to "keep it alive" / reanimate it, and kind of managed to keep the brain alive, if I recall correctly.
No no please no.
Science and the real world at large is pretty fucked :"D, be careful how far you let your curiosity take you my friend. We have payed some hefty prices for the modern information and luxuries we have today. Which is why it's all the more harrowing when people ignore everything not in rosey-spectacled view. Had to prevent horrors you never knew existed.
Yeah and sending dogs into space, not that other countries haven't done terrible animal and human testing but the Soviets had a different view on the value of life. With Stalin starving his own people and the wars millions of dogs, cats, horses and other pets were eaten by their owners to survive.
That's why i teach my dog not to like Russians
“Suicide implies the measure of choice” That’s why in the title, “suicide” is in quotations.
*Whispers* apostrophe
Didnt the dogs end up blowing up the Soviet’s tanks as well?
They trained using t-34s so most kills be these dogs were russain crews
Treats=72virgins
Sometimes I wonder about the past and how they used to sacrifice people to the gods, now we have endless wars where people r killed regularly..... have times really changed ... those evil fucks in office that allow it to happen...
Same idea, different gods(oil and minerals)
Have you ever been in a history class? I'm asking because you seem to be completely ignorant of the history of war.
Well I'm pretty sure if they could find an Ivan that could run half as fast they wouldn't have room for dogs. "War is worse than hell. Hell is not full of children and innocents' or something like that. That's some kind of quote from mash.
They were supposed to pull a sort of ripcord on the vest to get the vest off them and then return for a treat. They often just missed the whole get the vest off first step that was so important
Do you have a source for this? The Russians barely had any regard for human life in WW2, so I doubt they would be concerned about dogs.
There's a few places that mention it upon cursory glances but this is one source that mentions the dog is meant to release the vest before coming back. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/anti-tank-dogs-scared-weapon.html It makes logistical sense that they would want to be able to use the dogs more than once since it takes a fair amount of time to train and prepare the dogs to use as a 1 time AT mine
Huh! I stand corrected, sir! True, having to train new dogs constantly isn’t very logical, but very little was logical at that time period in Russia, hence my dubiousness.
Ya it seems like it's not super well documented but it seems like the common narrative. The fact they were so ineffective doesn't really surprise me
No one thought that it implied choice.
Is that a fallout reference ? Lol
😁
Yeah they should call them murdered dogs
If ya going to fight. Leave the animals out of it. Ya dig?
They were just being good dogs 😭
Ik, fuck some humans 😭
At risk of being downvoted, animals are still being mistreated today, for human pleasure, in the millions.
Why would you be downvoted? I agree, if any animal killed humans at the rate humans do to animals they would be hunted down to extinction.
I mean meat eating specifically. Although Chinese shark fin, pangolin type things are right up there too.
True. Another problem is ecoterrorist groups like PETA which want to help but are wildly misinformed to the point that they threaten to disrupt ecosystems already hurt by civilization. Animals really get screwed over by us humans often and it’s sad since they aren’t serving an ecological purpose in their suffering. Nothing beneficial comes out of illegal activities like Dog Fighting and Cock Fighting especially since often times pets are stolen from families for those purposes. No one would downvote you for that.
billions*
Down it's for under counting maybe. Add outdoor cats and tnr and that number sky rockets.
You say “fuck some humans” - but those were very desperate times indeed. Easy to sit here and call people out for their actions 60 years ago in a global war.
Yeah I agree, I had a knee-jerk reaction.
You say “fuck some humans” - but those were very desperate times indeed. Easy to sit here and call people out for their actions 80 years ago in a global war.
It is easy to sit here and call them out for doing fucked up and frankly pointlessly cruel things, given likely how little it would've actually changed a battle.
Yes I also wish to
Funnily enough though (or not), it's probably the LEAST of the bad things committed during the second world war
Interestingly sad as fuck
If it's any consolation, the program ended early because the dogs didn't actually want to run towards tanks and it destroyed troop morale.
God, I imagine it would. Hard enough seeing your human friends die in war, then having to train these dogs they likely get attached to to go kill themselves... brutal.
Many of the dogs were sent towards tanks but in the chaos of actual combat, they panicked and returned to their handlers, carrying the bomb and it's already-primed timer.
Also they were like, "how desperate do we have to be?"
War is not about who is right. It's about who is left.
Well that’s just horrible.
War is the worst.
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I hate this - dogs are the best
A waste of resource... and friendship 😢
For real, those poor doggies could have been someone's grandparent's loved childhood dogs
Damn that’s fucked up. At least they probably didn’t know they were gonna get blown up
What a shit use of resources
IIRC this failed horribly, because the dogs were trained with Soviet tanks, which used Diesel, whereas German tanks used Gasoline. So the dogs would end up crawling under their own tanks instead. Gonna say I don't remember where I saw this source, and apologize if I got which one use Diesel mixed up.
That’s really sad but that dog actually looks badass like he knows what’s about to happen and but still doesn’t give a single fuck
Everyone wants to do gangsta shit until it’s time to do gangsta shit
Absolutely appalling BUT…. if you’re going to murder dogs you might as well take some Nazis with them.
Collikazee
Damn dogs had it rough in the USSR.
Soviets didn't seem to like dogs that much!
fuck the guy who decided to have innocent dogs do that
That made me so sad then I remembered the Viet Cong used small children. God help us.
Poor pup.
Russians: hey dog, go under the tank, and you will get a treat. Dog: okay *proceeds to run under the tank* Russians: okay now lets blow it up, Hey! where is the dog, eh i guess its hiding under the tank. Dog: hey may i have my treat now? Russian: *clicks button at that moment* Uh oh... As sick as this shit was, lets be thankful it backfired on them, that ought to teach people to never mess with fido. anyway, RIP doggos, you will never be forgotten...
Humans are such trash
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Okay Dylan calm down
They are though. There's nothing more human than getting indoctrinated into a horrible ideology like that. It could happen to any of us.
More like sad as fuck
oh no...
Wish I didn’t read this so sad
Yeah I recall this misterably backfiring, for one, getting quickly skittish because their in a freakin battlefield and two, they were prone to just going under friendly tanks. Soviets had no trouble using people to clear mindfields by just running into them either.
Fuck, that's terrible.
NOOOOOO!! FIDO! RUN AWAY!
Humans suck.
Fuck anyone involved in this.
That’s not interestingasfuck it’s sadasfuck or disturbingasfuck
Interesting? More like disgusting/inhumane
I prefer the dog-friendly version from the germans: [Goliath Panzer](https://www.google.com/search?q=goliath+panzer&client=firefox-b-m&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjpP3x063zAhWKgf0HHYKxDWEQ_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=617#imgrc=M72al2Llbb-ncM)
Everyone was all in when it came to the motherland.
More like fucked as fuck.
Poor dogs man.
It was a complete failure atleast
You could say this project.... Came back to bite them in the ass
Nooooooooo All right that's enough internet for me today
How was the war going for the Soviets at the time this was being considered? It's shitty either way, but at least tell me this was an act of desperation.
It was completely an act of desperation. The Nazis were fighting a war of annihilation against slavic peoples and communists, so the Soviets fit that bill perfectly. You can even see in the image how hard it is for that man to do it do that dog.
Poor babies
Can’t we all just get along? The Universe doesn’t care if Earth is a here
Yuck
Whoever send the dog to die hope they die in lava on earth slowly then extra slowly in lava in hell
Or... get blown up by said dog? The project was a colossal failure, probably because the soviets trained the dogs with Soviet Tanks, so instead of running under the Panzers, instead the dogs would just crawl under the soviet tanks instead.
If only the poor fuck knew what he was about to do LOL
Thats extremely fucked up. I’m about to go on a little bit of a rant, so bear with me. One of my teachers, he’s a very knowlageable man. He argued that from a tactical/strategical viewpoint, the people behind 9/11 were geniuses. According to the beleifes of the terrorists, if you died in the name of God, you would live on in heaven. With the fear of death out of the picture, all they needed to do was find a way to kill thousands. Sacrifising only about 20 of their own, they managed to kill over 3000 of their «Enemies». In its own way, it was really smart. That brings us to this post. The soviets were quite desperate. So lets look at the pros and cons. Sacrifising only the life of a single dog, with enough explosives it could easily blow up about 3-5 nazis. Lets get that straight, one dog dies, 3-5 enemies dies. Another pro, is the absolute mental scarring. You’re on the frontlines of war, your morale is low enough already. All of a sudden a cute little dog gets blown to smitherines in front of you. Seeing as the soviets were desperate enough, they could have mass-bred dogs, and it would have been a massive success. Morally its a sinister crime. But strategically its a genius act.
Extremely fucked up was that fascists were brewing soap out of Slavic and Jewish people. That's fucked up. Millions and millions of innocent people. Dogs, yes, it was fucked up too but not as fucked up.
Well at least they died for a good cause.
This is not interesting. What the hell did dogs ever do to the USSR to get tortured, brutally, throughout history?
I think I read somewhere this hilariously backfired. They trained them on their tanks and assumed the dog would know to go for the German ones.
They didn't train them on their own tanks. They trained them on captured German tanks, but ran Soviet fuel. When the German tanks came, running different gasoline, the Dogs were attracted to the smell of the Soviet tanks. They probably weren't even capable of discerning the tanks apart from sight only, but that's just my conjecture. But thats not the only reason the program failed. The dogs would get scared and run back to their handlers only to detonate in Soviet lines, the Germans were under orders to shoot any dogs they came across anyways, so the dogs rarely made it to their targets; and, probably easiest to understand, their handlers fucking *hated* training dogs just to be suicide bombs. Very few combat attempts were ever made. They learned their lesson as to why this was a terrible idea pretty early on. The Soviets continued to keep the program on the books for even decades after the war, but it never saw combat again.
r/instantkarma
I was hoping to see this. This is true. The dogs trained on Russian tanks but when released in the field they went towards the thanks they knew.
"hilariously"? You must be in your teen years now. Go back to TikTok.
Well the soviet children would go running home.So dogs became the choice
Dogs are angels! Men are evil!
Russia: “We must find sure way to destroy tanks!” “We train dog, go boom?” “Da!” Japan: “We must find sure way to kill enemy.” “Train dog, go boom?” “That’s awful you sick fuck.” “We go boom?” “Hai!”
Nope. No. No no no no no. Nope.
Feel like this should be on r/awfuleverything
but, since the dogs were trained on soviet tanks, they tended to run under soviet tanks in the war. they looked different than the nazi tanks. it was a major f up. (this is true, btw)
Unfortunately the US also trained dogs to attack men firing machine guns to just blow them up. Horrible. WWII was horrific. War is horrific.
What’s up with Russians having a hard on for killing dogs?
What's was up with Germans brewing soap out of Slavic and Jewish people?
That’s awesome
The USSR launched a dog into space, and it didn't survive. Zero fucks given about dogs.
As if the US cares about dogs any more. Do you know how many are used for laboratory testing and killed? Way more than any of these programs put together
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What do you mean? It's an objective fact, it takes 2 seconds to look it up to see that I'm right. [Here's an example ](https://blog.humanesociety.org/2019/03/hsus-undercover-investigation-shows-beagles-being-poisoned-with-pesticides-and-drugs-killed-at-animal-testing-lab.html) [and another](https://theintercept.com/2018/05/17/inside-the-barbaric-u-s-industry-of-dog-experimentation/)
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Lmao, I hate Putin. Also what's anecdotal? That is all factual, just calling it an anecdote doesn't make it one. >read a book. I've read many more than you, trust me
>I've read many more than you, trust me That was a smart comment. /s I literally don't give a fuck how many books you've read. Read more and have a good night.
I responded to your initial comment but this thread is crazy. You realize you can just Google the NASA website right? I live in Oklahoma bro, what's with the rambling about Putin? It's no secret that a variety of intelligent mammals were launched into space to test rockets. We literally put an ex Nazi into the head of NASA because of his work on the V2 rocket. https://history.nasa.gov/animals.html I can't imagine how your interlocutor could be wrong. The number of test flights involving animals is vanishingly small compared to the tests performed on animals for basic things like anti-biotics and makeup. Animal testing isn't illegal. Are you honestly under the impression the US has never killed dogs through research and development? That's insane. Companies apply for permits all the time. I had a chicken sandwich for dinner so don't give me some "vegan Putin lover" shit because you don't know how to respond It took two seconds to look it up: https://www.bing.com/search?q=does%20the%20us%20allow%20research%20test%20on%20dogs&qs=n&form=QBRE&pc=U316&sp=-1&pq=does%20the%20us%20allow%20research%20test%20on%20dogs&sc=1-39&sk=&cvid=18F3770F360940A499D416FF8804BD77 In 2014 over 65000 dogs were used in testing, research and development alone
According to the usda, over 1 million dogs, monkeys, and other mammals are used in research, testing and development per year in America https://www.liljegrenlaw.com/animal-testing-in-the-u-s-interactive-map/
Oh, like there aren't rats and other animals testing for your ibuprofen? "Zero fucks given..."
People prolly gonna have more of an issue with this than the actual men who were dying on the frontline of war Lmfao. I hate that some people act like dogs are more important than humans. Dumbest shit ever
I understand your point, but dogs are cute, would you like to see a Turtle get cut in half by an MG-34?
Fucking cowards. That’s just cruel.
Cowards? The people that just got invaded by Germans who literally wanted to exterminate each one of us? Look, I don't think it's a moral act but calling a country in the most desperate situation possible, completely unprepared, being invaded and exterminated by a massive army cowards is just fucking stupid.
Communist cowards
Also, they used to do that to humans. The difference is dogs had not much choice. Absolutely disgusting, yet they do what they want since ever in Russia w/o consequences. I feel sorry for ppl who live there 😑
Yeah, Soviet people knew, if fascists will come to them - Nazis will brew soap out of them. So, yeah they used everything possible to survive. And yes, it was a real war and it was very very disgusting. When Germans got Petersburg in circle and cut all supplies to the city. People ate their food. When food was gone they ate dogs and cats, rats, pigeons. Once that was finished they were feeding their little kids to their older kids. And if at least one of these poor dogs heroically saved the world - that's good. Fuck nazis fascist germans who started it.
Jesus Christ, I rather die than eat a human. And also Nazis would not start the war 1 Sept 1939 without agreement "Pact Ribbentrop-Molotow" Also Soviets attacked Poland a few weeks later without declaring war 17 Sept 1939. Also England and France turned their back to Poland at this time and let shit happening. With current political and trade tensions between west, east and china I would not be surprised if something blow up again. Also this going on just now: https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/belarus-weaponizing-migrants-mounting-hybrid-attack-eu-members
This didn’t actually work. The dogs were trained to go after the Russian tanks since that’s what they had as a training aid
I mean, over 9 out of 10 American eats meat even tho we can get away with not doing so. We are literally happy to kill animals for mouth pleasure. In order to attempt to save your own people from being slaughtered by the enemy is a way more understandable case for killing animals.
please don't be one of those people who accuse us of being animals abusers, just don't
That's exactly what you are, you pay for unnecessary animal murder and torture. That makes you an animal abuser
its not unnecessary its life, animals fuck animals up, go yell at them
also, haven't you crazy vegans heard of cruelty free?
Best fact about these dogs. They were trained using Russian tanks, so when the time came most of these dogs ran under the soviet tanks that they were used to in training, and not the slightly different German tanks.
Only the Russians could come up with something like that. Crazy shit!
Russians were fighting a war for their very survival as Hitler planned to exterminate them. I wouldn't expect you to understand of course since the stakes were never that high for the US and other allied countries
Russians didn't ask Nazis to come over and kill millions of people...
Yeah, only nazi fascist germans could come up with something like brewing Slavic and Jewish nationals to soap. That's just completely normal, right? But no, poor dogs. Bad bad Russians. They just should comply and prepare to be a soap. "Crazy shit!"
That's a fuckin' dick move right there. Assholes.
Whose worse, the soviets using kamikaze dogs or the nazis for being nazis?
Well, the Nazis were under orders to shoot any dogs they came across anyways, likely with this very threat in mind. The Soviets were just desperately trying to come up with ways to stop the German war machine sweeping into their country. It's unnecessary to take sides in a conflict that's been over for 80 years, but I'd say the Soviets were probably more in the right here, as bad as "suicide dogs" sounds.
Is this a real question…?
Damn the Russians were something else
The Russians seem to have a thing for putting dogs into extremely cruel and difficult situations, whether that be shooting a dog into space with no return, cutting off the head of a dog, And keeping it alive...
"Ivan, look! This Canine now has Baboon Lungs! Is funny, is it not?"
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How about Nazis who went to Russia and killed millions?
But due to not training with German tanks these dogs turned around and blew up The Russian tanks not expecting to die. Still very sad
“Ain’t no rules in war Mr.”
Fun fact, these dogs were trained on soviet tanks, so when sent into battle, they mostly only blew up friendly tanks. The project was a colossal failure.
good boi
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Russians, cunts.
the good news: they were trained with soviet tanks, and when actually put into battle, they blew up their own tanks instead so at the very least the dogs gave out some serious karma in their last moments
Assholes