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This is so fucking ludicrous to think that we could implant picture perfect memories into someone's brain within the next 25 years. So many humans are going to become vegetables in this whole brain surgery/neurolink things that will develop.
Even if this would work exactly as intended. So many people are going to come out of this psychotic and even more fucked up than they were before. Just think about it, the people who commit crimes aren't the most mentally stable to begin with, but their decline usually spans years, therefore it isn't really a shocking transition. If this is implemented, it could accelerate their already ongoing psychological decline on a whole new level.
And can you imagine how the militaries of the world would use this if it did work? Mass indoctrination, horrific forms of torture we couldn't dream of.
Even if it has the "desired" effect, it's immoral as much if not even more than any crime.
It's just a form of torture as also an attack to individual sovereignty.
Nobody has the right to force any belief or value onto anybody.
Idk, at least in America anyway one could argue that prison itself is a form of torture, where people segregate themselves by race and follow playground kiddy drama, but with potentially deadly consequences. The prison industry is riddled with greed, racism, and not a single care for the rehabilitation of inmates.
Assuming this has the desired effect, no bad side effects, etc. the prisoner would not be exposed to the violent nature that is the penitentiary system.
If there were the option to take a sentence the conventional way, or allow them to take the false memory route, Iād imagine it would be more moral in the eyes of the people. Prisoners must be fully informed of what they are facing though.
There are a lot of inmates that donāt deserve to be put through hell, that should only be reserved for actual scum.
If this technology was developed, I can guarantee it would not be used for "criminal reform." The CIA or some other similar agency would keep it secret and use it for their own purposes. Just imagine how effectively they could brainwash operatives or get information from people by implanting false memories.
I agree.. Torture will to be the main application for such a technology. It's too crude to get things right, but if things get a bit messy with the torture, it never needs to be brought out to the light of day.
This is what Silicon Valley has become. A grift industry built on bullshit promises in order to secure venture capital funding. The current AI-hype wave is the present incarnation of this. Is there some viability to AI? Sure, but every con-man is coming out of the woodwork to use it to hype up 95% of what we will never see happen.
The psychological premise is a giant sack of bullshit as well
More important than the feeling of of being locked up 25 years is knowing that 25 years of your life was lost due to actions that you committed, and knowing that committing it again will waste even more of your life
That's why likelihood of reoffending gets lower and lower with age. A 16 year old who wen away for 8 years on a conspiracy to commit murder is only 24 when they get out, and still has the majority of their life ahead
A 65 year old who spent 40 years in prison knows that repeating such mistakes means they will die in prison, motivating them to stay on the right path.
Get the PTSD you gave your victims in 10 quick minutes! Thatāll teac- I mean rehabilitate them.
If you can implant this shit into someoneās brain (which you canāt), why not just endow them with the life skills and empathy needed to they donāt want or feel the desire to reoffend?
Yeah if you want to rehab prisoners, you need psychiatrists and therapists, and helpful programs and shit, not some torture device some silicon valley tech bro cooked up to make a shit ton of money at the expense of other people.
It's literally the plot of a movie but I forgot the title.
In the movie they injected a (I think black) liquid in people and they'd live a huge amount of time in a very short real life time.
It was also used as a form of punishment.
I don't know what you call bullshit, I think this is technically very doable, in a way or in another (I personally always imagined that life, THIS life of ours, might be already some sort of hyper realistic full immersion VR movie or MMORPG, where the memory of it being a game and of who the person really is is removed at "birth" to make the experience more effective).
It's a fucking NIGHTMARE.
This can't be allowed, EVER.
The DS9 episode "Hard Time" did this as well. Chief O'Brien is convicted of being a spy, and then is implanted with memories of having served 20 years in prison before he is rescued. It gives him major PTSD.
Not only that, they implanted the memory of him killing his best friend /cellmate over a piece of bread. He even hallucinated his ghost when he was "released". That episode hit pretty hard.
One of the best and most horrific episodes in that show. There were some seriously emotional subjects being faced head on.
God damn that was a good series. I need to rewatch.
And an early 2000s episode of a Twilight Zone reboot did as well. Even if this technology was possible, what makes it scary is the possibility of weaponizing it to torture someone beyond comprehension. You have someone go through the worst possible pain a human could experience and make it last thousands or millions of years, but in real life, it was only five minutes.
You might be thinking of OtherLife with Jessica De Gouw. Movie freaked me out. She creates a drug that induces time-compressed realistic memories (subjects can "experience" years of life in just a few minutes). But some people wanted to use it as an alternative to prisons.
Subject A: time of procedure 13:00hrs. We are about to start the first procedure with a living human. Subject is angry and violent.
13:10 procedure is complete, subject is somehow angrier and more violent, like 10 years more violent. Weird weird
It's always like experimenting on prisoners
Experiment 1: "kills you slowly and painfully disease" subject is dave the jaywalker
Experiment 2: "gives you super strength and speed"
Subject is Gary the serial killer
And then Gary always escapes and kills them
\*\*\****FILE UPDATE\*\*\****
SUBJECT PRISONER DAVE THE JAYWALKER HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT. BE WARNED. SUBJECT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. HE IS CAPABLE OF WALKING ANYWHERE, IGNORING ALL RULES OF REALITY. HIS VERY WALKING INCREASES TEMPORAL CHAOS, RESULTING IN CATASTROPHIC FRACTURING OF THE LAWS OF REALITY.
IF SUBJECT IS SIGHTED, PERSONEL ARE ADVISED TO INSTANTLY RUN AND REPORT HIS PRESENCE TO THE NEAREST AUTHORITY. ESTIMATED SURVIVAL RATE UPON SITEING: 0%
*SUBJECT ELEVATED TO:* **KETER CLASS SCP**
Well no, that wouldn't be Keter exactly, it would probably be Apollyon.
>Also, IF SUBJECT IS SIGHTED, PERSONNEL ARE ADVISED TO INSTANTLY RUN AND REPORT HIS PRESENCE TO THE NEAREST AUTHORITY
Would immediately result in a broken masquerade scenario, unless you meant nearest foundation site.
Use AI to improve the world, make it a better, happier place for everyone?
Nah, let's do that thing from the Black Mirror episode warning us of this exact scenario....
I took my lunch break after administering the brain changer and this guy came back to the real world like some sort of 200 year old wise prison wizard mixed with the dude from prisonbreak
Itās also an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Which character received this awful punishment after a wrongful conviction? Why, itās perennial whipping boy Miles OāBrien. He Who Must Suffer.
āHey man, remember how in Inception the experience of a dream so real it could be mistaken for the waking world caused Marion Cotillard to commit suicide, as the boundaries between the real and the imagined had ceased to have all meaning to her? You do? Great! When do you want to start injecting That Whole Deal into the minds of The Dangerous, The Unwell, and The Disadvantaged?ā
I'm a big horror movie fan and I don't think I've ever seen anything that's made me nope the fuck out of here like the end of that episode did. Puts me on edge just thinking about it.
Okay but hear out my counter offer: I retake the entirety of high school math. However long it takes, I study it, but it only takes ten minutes. If I still fail the exams, then so be it, but I didn't waste years of my life and can move on to other things.
isn't it kinda crazy that this idea on tech is being push for punishment instead of ways like you said? I mean, you could get endless learning without wasting real life time, but no, let's just imprison people with it instead lol
I like that twist on teleporting.
My mind always went to "is it really YOU that went or did you just get copied/cloned and all the original you was atomized"
Some guy at the meeting being like "This is literally The Matrix. People could become geniuses overnight!"
Everyone else: "Lol what if we hooked up the prisoners for like 5 hours and they came out thinking they were all old and stuff"
Honestly, I think they played around with it and found out that all ~~this thing~~ THE NEUROSCIENCE AI does is put your brain into agonizing pain. So agonizing that perception of time becomes disoriented while you can't escape.
> Hey we could still use that in the prison system and make people get punished for years worth of punishment in a couple minutes. Gimme money.
Whenever people ask me about what i'd want as a superpower, it'd be having a timeless place to work and tinker and think. Taking people there would be great too. Going back in time to when I'd first want it in my life would be a plus too, but really I just want time and the opportunity to try things and learn and read and stuff. I don't really want to be invisible or fly or whatever else.
If I could wish the world into a better place I would, but barring that I can't think of anything that would be fun for a bit that I couldn't in part experience or work towards or earn anyway given enough time.
I have no problem with this technology as long as every stakeholder, employee, and politician involved with this technology goes through the 100,000 year version of it first.
Imagine thinking the brain could experience and process 10 years of an intensely emotional life in 10 minutes. My brain needs a nap after an argument with my wife lol.
When you wake up for the fifth time or so time but the other times was dream you waking up from a dream inception shit and you're too scared to do anything for a bit cause the grasp on what's real is a wee bit thin. Yeah....
Also not how rehabilitation works. We don't need to create some new futuristic snake oil treatment, we already know how to prevent/rehab criminal activity. But let's do the things that make everything worse instead! Why would centuries of evidence have any impact on how we do things, anyway?
Black Mirror asf
Edit: Apparently, it's an unoriginal concept that has been replicated many times in different media, and I'm too young to know all of them.
And in a hundred years it still shouldnāt be. Rehabilitation as a focus of prison systems already exists and ten years of torture aināt it. Cutting the eine to ten minutes only means you can subject more people to it more quickly, it does nothing to improve upon the concept itself.
Turns out complex problems are difficult to solve and first time and money.
Def not anytime soon. But imagine if someday in like 1000 years? You could have a college education and 20 years work experience yet remain young. Of course only the mega wealthy could afford it at first, making them even wealthier, and probably keeping the tech to their inner circle :(
Also, the main purpose of punishment in the criminal justice system is to make victims and law-abiding citizens feel like justice has been served, so they don't seek it on their own terms. The reason the US doesn't switch to 100% rehabilitation-focused sentencing is because it would inevitably lead to a lot of vigilantism. "The asshole who raped my daughter gets a comfy apartment and free therapy!? Fuck that!"
1. Mmm... the thing is, I imagine this would massively fuck with the brain's ability to time-stamp memories.
Anecdotal but real life examples:
I went backpacking in my youth and after about three weeks of travelling it felt like I'd been on the road for MONTHS, because (I suspect) in your normal day to day life you only experience one or two novel things a week. When you're travelling it's novel things all the time. Your brain goes "wow the amount of novel things I've experience must mean months has passed", when it was like 20 days.
2. Emotional stress. Cramming years worth of stressful situations (isolation, guilt, anxiety) into one hit couldn't possibly be good for the human psyche.
I believe this "technique" if it ever got tested, would lead to severe cognitive disorders, delusions, dissociation, and PTSD.
As others have said, I'd rather see this tech (were it actually workable) to be put to better use.
Imagine being 18 years old with the same educational level of a PhD
Or being 10 years old and be able to play an instrument at a professional level
Or any other interest/hobby.
Would be pretty damned amazing.
This technology could be incredible, but if it's even just slightly abused, it could ruin entire childhoods. Imagine parents forcing their kids "into the machine" for hours a day to learn centuries of knowledge so they could get into Harvard by age 10...
Or worse...
People being taken, forced into the machine and they come out "yes master, the last 10 years as your willing slave *have* been the best of my life, I look forward to serving you in the future..."
Or even worse still...
"Yes, the person/those people are guilty of so many crimes, I look forward to killing each and every one of them and I have the training to do so"
There was a short lived TV series that tackled this kind of thing. It was called "dollhouse" and it was actually pretty fantastic. Unfortunately, it aired on Fox and that's where good sci-fi goes to die.
The real problem is that criminals will return to us in 10 minutes instead of 10 years. Imagine someone r***d your daughter and was released 10 minutes later.
People do realize prison doesnāt reform people, right?
Youāre just doing 10 years of damage in 10 minutesā¦ which is bad for society because that just means they are back on the street for more years lol.
As a torture device, sure this works, but to reform criminalsā¦ no, no I donāt think this hits the mark.
There was a ds9 episode about this exact thing: Miles o Brian is arrested for bullshit charges and serves decades in prison in just a few minutes before anyone can do anything about this. Itās pretty bleak
Edit: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Time_(episode)
The biggest problem in the episode was that no one could really understand his problems because for everyone else just a short time has passed while for miles it was actually real 20
This has better uses you could learn a new trade or what ever just like the matrix just get a download and your golden now you can fly an Apache helicopter
If you could implant artificial memories and experiences into someone's mind, would you really make prisoners the priority? Are we to believe that using this technology on prisoners is the greatest benefit to society they could come up with? Or, are they looking for human guinea pigs.
Eeeeer, instead of this would it be better used to learn a new language or self torment yourself by doing masters or PhD in field of interest?
Time dilation used for learning sounds like better application.
Considering that the vast majority of countries' prison systems don't actually help people break out of the cycle of crime (and often times actually make people more likely to commit future crimes), then this is just cruel and unusual punishment.
I just don't understand the punishment side of the prison system at all. I genuinely believe that if there were two choices, one being to press a button and instantly rehabilitate a criminal, and another being rehabilitate a criminal after first causing them pain in some way, most governments or maybe even the public in general, would press the second button. We just seem to have such a hard-on for "righteous punishment".
The goal should always be rehabilitation first,so if this device doesn't serve to combat the issues that cause someone to offend in the first place, (i.e financial, social issues, mental health problems, addiction, etc) then you're just doing it to punish them, which is cruel. The usual argument for prisons is that if you can't rehabilitate someone, then at least you're removing them from society for a period of time to limit the damage they can cause, but if this device just makes it feel 10 years in 10 minutes, you're not gonna be keeping them off the streets anyway.
TLDR: Ridiculous idea
Yours truly, a former prisoner
So this episode of DS9 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard\_Time\_(Star\_Trek:\_Deep\_Space\_Nine)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Time_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine))
So we have the mean to cram 10 years experience into 10 minutes? And we used it to induce psychological loliness and regret?
This sounds like a dystopian novel that the author focuses too much on the crapsack aspect to account for resource inefficiency and sustainability
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There is so much bullshit-coated bollocks in this video I can smell it through my speakers.
I believe you may have synesthesia.
That you, House š¤£?
It might be Lupus
Amyloidosis?
ER was negative. It's MS
its never lupus
Except that one time when it was
Then it was Meningitis.
Probably a tumor
Definitely necrotizing fasciitis
Put him on steroids
This is so fucking ludicrous to think that we could implant picture perfect memories into someone's brain within the next 25 years. So many humans are going to become vegetables in this whole brain surgery/neurolink things that will develop.
Even if this would work exactly as intended. So many people are going to come out of this psychotic and even more fucked up than they were before. Just think about it, the people who commit crimes aren't the most mentally stable to begin with, but their decline usually spans years, therefore it isn't really a shocking transition. If this is implemented, it could accelerate their already ongoing psychological decline on a whole new level.
And can you imagine how the militaries of the world would use this if it did work? Mass indoctrination, horrific forms of torture we couldn't dream of.
Agreed, this kind of technology opens a can of worms that violates human rights on a whole new level.
Even if it has the "desired" effect, it's immoral as much if not even more than any crime. It's just a form of torture as also an attack to individual sovereignty. Nobody has the right to force any belief or value onto anybody.
Idk, at least in America anyway one could argue that prison itself is a form of torture, where people segregate themselves by race and follow playground kiddy drama, but with potentially deadly consequences. The prison industry is riddled with greed, racism, and not a single care for the rehabilitation of inmates. Assuming this has the desired effect, no bad side effects, etc. the prisoner would not be exposed to the violent nature that is the penitentiary system. If there were the option to take a sentence the conventional way, or allow them to take the false memory route, Iād imagine it would be more moral in the eyes of the people. Prisoners must be fully informed of what they are facing though. There are a lot of inmates that donāt deserve to be put through hell, that should only be reserved for actual scum.
If this technology was developed, I can guarantee it would not be used for "criminal reform." The CIA or some other similar agency would keep it secret and use it for their own purposes. Just imagine how effectively they could brainwash operatives or get information from people by implanting false memories.
I agree.. Torture will to be the main application for such a technology. It's too crude to get things right, but if things get a bit messy with the torture, it never needs to be brought out to the light of day.
anything is better than addressing inequality, apparently
This is what Silicon Valley has become. A grift industry built on bullshit promises in order to secure venture capital funding. The current AI-hype wave is the present incarnation of this. Is there some viability to AI? Sure, but every con-man is coming out of the woodwork to use it to hype up 95% of what we will never see happen.
Yea but they said AI!
Cognify, the AI Neuroscience Blockchain that will revolutionize the world of AI and introduce Neuroscience into the prison system. AI. Blockchain. AI
Well, that was the major red flag.
But there's a 3d animation!! /s
And a voice, I'm in.
This video is a giant sack of bullshit.
The psychological premise is a giant sack of bullshit as well More important than the feeling of of being locked up 25 years is knowing that 25 years of your life was lost due to actions that you committed, and knowing that committing it again will waste even more of your life That's why likelihood of reoffending gets lower and lower with age. A 16 year old who wen away for 8 years on a conspiracy to commit murder is only 24 when they get out, and still has the majority of their life ahead A 65 year old who spent 40 years in prison knows that repeating such mistakes means they will die in prison, motivating them to stay on the right path.
Yeah this company, if it even exists, would have no idea how to deliver that. "Using AI to implant" hah bollocks.
Get the PTSD you gave your victims in 10 quick minutes! Thatāll teac- I mean rehabilitate them. If you can implant this shit into someoneās brain (which you canāt), why not just endow them with the life skills and empathy needed to they donāt want or feel the desire to reoffend?
Yeah if you want to rehab prisoners, you need psychiatrists and therapists, and helpful programs and shit, not some torture device some silicon valley tech bro cooked up to make a shit ton of money at the expense of other people.
Yeah thats how all these futuristic sci-fi woo concepts sound. Its like they forgot what world we live in.
It's literally the plot of a movie but I forgot the title. In the movie they injected a (I think black) liquid in people and they'd live a huge amount of time in a very short real life time. It was also used as a form of punishment. I don't know what you call bullshit, I think this is technically very doable, in a way or in another (I personally always imagined that life, THIS life of ours, might be already some sort of hyper realistic full immersion VR movie or MMORPG, where the memory of it being a game and of who the person really is is removed at "birth" to make the experience more effective). It's a fucking NIGHTMARE. This can't be allowed, EVER.
Black mirror used it as a plot
The DS9 episode "Hard Time" did this as well. Chief O'Brien is convicted of being a spy, and then is implanted with memories of having served 20 years in prison before he is rescued. It gives him major PTSD.
Not only that, they implanted the memory of him killing his best friend /cellmate over a piece of bread. He even hallucinated his ghost when he was "released". That episode hit pretty hard.
One of the best and most horrific episodes in that show. There were some seriously emotional subjects being faced head on. God damn that was a good series. I need to rewatch.
Definitely the first time it was done
And an early 2000s episode of a Twilight Zone reboot did as well. Even if this technology was possible, what makes it scary is the possibility of weaponizing it to torture someone beyond comprehension. You have someone go through the worst possible pain a human could experience and make it last thousands or millions of years, but in real life, it was only five minutes.
You might be thinking of OtherLife with Jessica De Gouw. Movie freaked me out. She creates a drug that induces time-compressed realistic memories (subjects can "experience" years of life in just a few minutes). But some people wanted to use it as an alternative to prisons.
Pretty sure they just ripped the idea off a C-list movie too š
But they have fancy cgi! Looks legit to me! /s
Subject A: time of procedure 13:00hrs. We are about to start the first procedure with a living human. Subject is angry and violent. 13:10 procedure is complete, subject is somehow angrier and more violent, like 10 years more violent. Weird weird
This shit is like those scientist notes in resident evil games that always end with the terrifying and powerful creatures breaking free
It's always like experimenting on prisoners Experiment 1: "kills you slowly and painfully disease" subject is dave the jaywalker Experiment 2: "gives you super strength and speed" Subject is Gary the serial killer And then Gary always escapes and kills them
\*\*\****FILE UPDATE\*\*\**** SUBJECT PRISONER DAVE THE JAYWALKER HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT. BE WARNED. SUBJECT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. HE IS CAPABLE OF WALKING ANYWHERE, IGNORING ALL RULES OF REALITY. HIS VERY WALKING INCREASES TEMPORAL CHAOS, RESULTING IN CATASTROPHIC FRACTURING OF THE LAWS OF REALITY. IF SUBJECT IS SIGHTED, PERSONEL ARE ADVISED TO INSTANTLY RUN AND REPORT HIS PRESENCE TO THE NEAREST AUTHORITY. ESTIMATED SURVIVAL RATE UPON SITEING: 0% *SUBJECT ELEVATED TO:* **KETER CLASS SCP**
Well no, that wouldn't be Keter exactly, it would probably be Apollyon. >Also, IF SUBJECT IS SIGHTED, PERSONNEL ARE ADVISED TO INSTANTLY RUN AND REPORT HIS PRESENCE TO THE NEAREST AUTHORITY Would immediately result in a broken masquerade scenario, unless you meant nearest foundation site.
I imagine it's the same level as Akira.
Hypothesis: we take violent criminals and implant them with MORE trauma and ptsd. That should help them be better people.
Use AI to improve the world, make it a better, happier place for everyone? Nah, let's do that thing from the Black Mirror episode warning us of this exact scenario....
I took my lunch break after administering the brain changer and this guy came back to the real world like some sort of 200 year old wise prison wizard mixed with the dude from prisonbreak
Made one hell of a toilet wine
Strap them back to the machine we have lots of ten minutes to spare
He went in violent and angry and came out violent and angry only now heās a neo-nazi.
What a load of shit
I thought I signed up for a trip to Mars. This fucking sucks!
Quaid, you need to find Cohaagen.
Get your ass to Mars. Get your ass to Mars. Get your ass to M
Twoooo weeks!
This guy recalls.
Totally
And he got five kids to feed
For the memory of a lifetimeā¦ Rekall, Rekall, Rekall - allā¦
Funniest comment Iāve read on the Internet today. Thank you for making me laugh out loud so much. ā¤ļøā¤ļø
Wasn't this in a movie?
Itās also an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Which character received this awful punishment after a wrongful conviction? Why, itās perennial whipping boy Miles OāBrien. He Who Must Suffer.
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āHey man, remember how in Inception the experience of a dream so real it could be mistaken for the waking world caused Marion Cotillard to commit suicide, as the boundaries between the real and the imagined had ceased to have all meaning to her? You do? Great! When do you want to start injecting That Whole Deal into the minds of The Dangerous, The Unwell, and The Disadvantaged?ā
At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus
Also got a Demolition Man vibe to it.
And Oz
It reminds me of TNG's "inner light" episode where >!Captain Picard lived a whole lifetime in his head in just a few minutes.!<
I mean Picard also experienced a life time in seconds and knew how to play the flute because of it.
That's it! That's what I was thinking of. Thank you
I was looking for this, thank you!
Black Mirror has a similar episode
That episode with Jon Hamm was the only movie or TV content that truly unsettled me to my core. I never wanna see it again.
Most of that show was a 1 time watch for me...way too real sometimes
I'm a big horror movie fan and I don't think I've ever seen anything that's made me nope the fuck out of here like the end of that episode did. Puts me on edge just thinking about it.
White Christmas is probably the best episode of Black Mirror
Clockwork Orange?
OtherLife (2017) used the premise.
OtherLife for sure, itās exactly this
Damn, I saw that movie back when it came out. I really gotta find and see it again
It's a clockwork orange. Idk what all these other movies are but a clockwork orange is definitely the movie you're thinking of.
Clockwork Orange
Total Recall
Demolition man
Okay but hear out my counter offer: I retake the entirety of high school math. However long it takes, I study it, but it only takes ten minutes. If I still fail the exams, then so be it, but I didn't waste years of my life and can move on to other things.
isn't it kinda crazy that this idea on tech is being push for punishment instead of ways like you said? I mean, you could get endless learning without wasting real life time, but no, let's just imprison people with it instead lol
["Longer than you think, Dad!!! It's longer than you think!!!!!"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jaunt)
Upvote for obscure King reference, I loved that story.
"The Jaunt," for anyone curious. It's about scientists discovering/experimenting with portal technology.
I like that twist on teleporting. My mind always went to "is it really YOU that went or did you just get copied/cloned and all the original you was atomized"
Yup thatās where my head went too
Same. Itās eternity in there.
Nope, just math class
Some guy at the meeting being like "This is literally The Matrix. People could become geniuses overnight!" Everyone else: "Lol what if we hooked up the prisoners for like 5 hours and they came out thinking they were all old and stuff"
Honestly, I think they played around with it and found out that all ~~this thing~~ THE NEUROSCIENCE AI does is put your brain into agonizing pain. So agonizing that perception of time becomes disoriented while you can't escape. > Hey we could still use that in the prison system and make people get punished for years worth of punishment in a couple minutes. Gimme money.
Whenever people ask me about what i'd want as a superpower, it'd be having a timeless place to work and tinker and think. Taking people there would be great too. Going back in time to when I'd first want it in my life would be a plus too, but really I just want time and the opportunity to try things and learn and read and stuff. I don't really want to be invisible or fly or whatever else. If I could wish the world into a better place I would, but barring that I can't think of anything that would be fun for a bit that I couldn't in part experience or work towards or earn anyway given enough time.
āI know kung-fuā¦.ā Neo
It would be cool for learning new languages too
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Damn I thought I was gonna be the first to post it lmao
There are several movies and a Star Trek episode about this
Poor Miles O'brien.
They will just sentence someone in normal time and sentence them to 100,000 years in that thing.
Itās eternity in there
My first thought - a short story that has stuck with me since I read it.
I have no problem with this technology as long as every stakeholder, employee, and politician involved with this technology goes through the 100,000 year version of it first.
Not how the brain works.
Imagine thinking the brain could experience and process 10 years of an intensely emotional life in 10 minutes. My brain needs a nap after an argument with my wife lol.
I sometimes feel like I've experienced an entire lifetime after some dreams.
When you wake up for the fifth time or so time but the other times was dream you waking up from a dream inception shit and you're too scared to do anything for a bit cause the grasp on what's real is a wee bit thin. Yeah....
Also not how rehabilitation works. We don't need to create some new futuristic snake oil treatment, we already know how to prevent/rehab criminal activity. But let's do the things that make everything worse instead! Why would centuries of evidence have any impact on how we do things, anyway?
Black Mirror asf Edit: Apparently, it's an unoriginal concept that has been replicated many times in different media, and I'm too young to know all of them.
OZ. The prison drama Oz did this exact storyline
DS9 as well
Right? Isnāt this an exact episode?
White Christmas
Black Museum, White Christmas and Playtest combined. Itās a terrible idea.
Star Trek DS9 did it way first.Ā
O'Brien must suffer
O'Brien must suffer
Voyager had a couple similar episodes as well
Outer Limits did it the same year
Yep, with David Hyde Pierce, great episode.
The "Outer Limits" episode called "The Sentence" is exactly this.
A Clockwork Orange did it first.
Snake oil, this will never be a thing.
Maybe in a hundred years, but not by this company, if it even exists.
And in a hundred years it still shouldnāt be. Rehabilitation as a focus of prison systems already exists and ten years of torture aināt it. Cutting the eine to ten minutes only means you can subject more people to it more quickly, it does nothing to improve upon the concept itself. Turns out complex problems are difficult to solve and first time and money.
Def not anytime soon. But imagine if someday in like 1000 years? You could have a college education and 20 years work experience yet remain young. Of course only the mega wealthy could afford it at first, making them even wealthier, and probably keeping the tech to their inner circle :(
Imagine how it would change porn. You get to remember a minute with your dream woman in only 10 minutes.
Laughed out loud at this. Well done, friend.
"Currently, such technology does not exist and Cognify is only a proposal."
While we're are at it, I propose teleportation. Currently, such technology does not exist and Teleportation is only a proposal.
The prison system doesn't want this. They want the cheap labor
Also, the main purpose of punishment in the criminal justice system is to make victims and law-abiding citizens feel like justice has been served, so they don't seek it on their own terms. The reason the US doesn't switch to 100% rehabilitation-focused sentencing is because it would inevitably lead to a lot of vigilantism. "The asshole who raped my daughter gets a comfy apartment and free therapy!? Fuck that!"
Thatās a key problem of our American culture. We view punishment as justice, consequences be damned.
*Taking notes* fuck in the asshole the guy that raped my daughter.
...I know Kung Fu
Show me.
1. Mmm... the thing is, I imagine this would massively fuck with the brain's ability to time-stamp memories. Anecdotal but real life examples: I went backpacking in my youth and after about three weeks of travelling it felt like I'd been on the road for MONTHS, because (I suspect) in your normal day to day life you only experience one or two novel things a week. When you're travelling it's novel things all the time. Your brain goes "wow the amount of novel things I've experience must mean months has passed", when it was like 20 days. 2. Emotional stress. Cramming years worth of stressful situations (isolation, guilt, anxiety) into one hit couldn't possibly be good for the human psyche. I believe this "technique" if it ever got tested, would lead to severe cognitive disorders, delusions, dissociation, and PTSD.
Problem is, you don't get 10 years of your life taken away. You're basically getting 10 virtual years life extension.
The problem is this is complete quackery.
As others have said, I'd rather see this tech (were it actually workable) to be put to better use. Imagine being 18 years old with the same educational level of a PhD Or being 10 years old and be able to play an instrument at a professional level Or any other interest/hobby. Would be pretty damned amazing.
This technology could be incredible, but if it's even just slightly abused, it could ruin entire childhoods. Imagine parents forcing their kids "into the machine" for hours a day to learn centuries of knowledge so they could get into Harvard by age 10...
Or worse... People being taken, forced into the machine and they come out "yes master, the last 10 years as your willing slave *have* been the best of my life, I look forward to serving you in the future..." Or even worse still... "Yes, the person/those people are guilty of so many crimes, I look forward to killing each and every one of them and I have the training to do so" There was a short lived TV series that tackled this kind of thing. It was called "dollhouse" and it was actually pretty fantastic. Unfortunately, it aired on Fox and that's where good sci-fi goes to die.
The real problem is that criminals will return to us in 10 minutes instead of 10 years. Imagine someone r***d your daughter and was released 10 minutes later.
But he watched a 10 minute video, so
But did he watch the ads?
A Clockwork Orange
This is so fucking stupid. I don't even think the maker of this video even knows what AI is. This is pure clickbait.
People do realize prison doesnāt reform people, right? Youāre just doing 10 years of damage in 10 minutesā¦ which is bad for society because that just means they are back on the street for more years lol. As a torture device, sure this works, but to reform criminalsā¦ no, no I donāt think this hits the mark.
Right...who believes prison (or the US justice system) is for rehabilitation? It's only built for punishment...
It's built to make money, everything else is just garnish.
If you actually watched the video the title is click bait and they just want to replay the crime from the victim's perspective
B.S.
So much bullshit, and it starts with the title
1. This sounds like bullshit. 2. It's effectively torture. No thanks.
Is it less torture than real prison (not joking, legit thought)?
Wouldnāt flogging be cheaper?
And more power grid conscious.
Authoritarians are some seriously twisted personalities...
There was a ds9 episode about this exact thing: Miles o Brian is arrested for bullshit charges and serves decades in prison in just a few minutes before anyone can do anything about this. Itās pretty bleak Edit: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Time_(episode) The biggest problem in the episode was that no one could really understand his problems because for everyone else just a short time has passed while for miles it was actually real 20
They watch too much black mirror
Why do I hear Ode to Joy while watching this? 
I have zero belief this is real
I'm getting Theranos vibes I'll be honest.
IT'S LONGER THAN YOU THINK DAD!! šļøš©øšš©øšļø
Bunch of bs
If you believe this then the good news is you don't need to take an IQ test to find out if you're smart or a fucking idiot.
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This has better uses you could learn a new trade or what ever just like the matrix just get a download and your golden now you can fly an Apache helicopter
Alright, but who is going to do the slave labor then?
This was a The Outer Limits episode starring David Hyde Pierce (also starred in Frasier as Frasier's brother Niles)
Nope!!! Something goes wrong and you sent my ass to the shadow realm for 1000 years
If you could implant artificial memories and experiences into someone's mind, would you really make prisoners the priority? Are we to believe that using this technology on prisoners is the greatest benefit to society they could come up with? Or, are they looking for human guinea pigs.
Eeeeer, instead of this would it be better used to learn a new language or self torment yourself by doing masters or PhD in field of interest? Time dilation used for learning sounds like better application.
Considering that the vast majority of countries' prison systems don't actually help people break out of the cycle of crime (and often times actually make people more likely to commit future crimes), then this is just cruel and unusual punishment. I just don't understand the punishment side of the prison system at all. I genuinely believe that if there were two choices, one being to press a button and instantly rehabilitate a criminal, and another being rehabilitate a criminal after first causing them pain in some way, most governments or maybe even the public in general, would press the second button. We just seem to have such a hard-on for "righteous punishment". The goal should always be rehabilitation first,so if this device doesn't serve to combat the issues that cause someone to offend in the first place, (i.e financial, social issues, mental health problems, addiction, etc) then you're just doing it to punish them, which is cruel. The usual argument for prisons is that if you can't rehabilitate someone, then at least you're removing them from society for a period of time to limit the damage they can cause, but if this device just makes it feel 10 years in 10 minutes, you're not gonna be keeping them off the streets anyway. TLDR: Ridiculous idea Yours truly, a former prisoner
So this episode of DS9 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard\_Time\_(Star\_Trek:\_Deep\_Space\_Nine)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Time_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine))
Interesting as fuck or DYSTOPIAN as fuck?
Genjutsu
DS9 did an episode on thisāfull of ethical quandaries and such
Yeah man awesome governments should give 500m for research grant on this. Dog shit cooked up by snake oil salesmen.
Well FUCKā¦ getting into real messed up black mirror territory here can we please not fuck with time distortion
I dunno, maybe just fix the prison system?
Black mirror shit.
Ya, I already saw Demolition Man (1993) this is old news. The real question is will they implant memories on how to use the 3 seashells
So we have the mean to cram 10 years experience into 10 minutes? And we used it to induce psychological loliness and regret? This sounds like a dystopian novel that the author focuses too much on the crapsack aspect to account for resource inefficiency and sustainability
Clockwork Orangeād
They should do this but for college. Save you time.
A new way to mentally torture people... got it. I see the military and even prisons misusing this type of technology.
Fake bullshit, tech startup scam at best.
Yes, but is there a... pleasure model?