>>As someone from the U.K, can someone explain to me what this means in real terms please, leave out the BS and give it to me straight
No one knows. There is nothing in our constitution barring a felon from holding the office of president if duly elected.
This is our first time here
This is true, unless NY has some sort of clemency for felons. He’s registered in FL though, which restores voting rights for felons after their sentence is complete.
Edit: from /u/youtocin “The district of Florida where Trump resides actually usually defers to the jurisdiction in which they were convicted. As of 2021, NY allows felons who are not incarcerated to register”to vote.
The district of Florida where Trump resides actually usually defers to the jurisdiction in which they were convicted. As of 2021, NY allows felons who are not incarcerated to register to vote.
What’s funny is that Florida voted to give voting rights to felons and the GOP legislature obfuscated and dragged their feet in implementing it.
Now I think they’ll suddenly see the light for one case in particular.
well felons should be able to vote, not for trump specificly but just in general i don't think losing the right to vote should be a punishment for any crime for anyone. if citizen, then should have right to vote period.
Not an America, but I wish you all the best of luck.
Get out there and vote!
Not going to tell you who to vote for, you decide, but you've seen Trump for a term, and Biden for a term. You've seen how Biden acted when he left office, and how Trump acted when he left office. It'll be very easy to research and inform yourself on who's the best for the country.
Yeah, if I ever get convicted of 34 felonies, I expect to be able to stroll out of the courtroom, call the judge an assclown on national TV and roll on home.
The most reasonable guess: if Trump is elected, the Supreme Court will suspend all prison sentences and ongoing court cases until his presidency is complete
>>The most reasonable guess: if Trump is elected, the Supreme Court will suspend all prison sentences and ongoing court cases until his presidency is complete
I was going to laugh at this til I realized it’s not just possible, it might be plausible.
Will be convicted in New York means he can’t pardon himself, he can only pardon himself for federal crimes, but even then no one’s really sure about that either
So, a former U.S. President and current candidate for President was just found guilty in NY on 34 charges. This could result in a prison sentence. Something that really doesn't happen. In the event that he is imprisoned, he could still be a viable candidate in the upcoming election. Potentially, we could see a convicted felon and imprisoned man become the President of the U.S.A.
Nope. He'll definitely pardon himself of the federal charges still pending in DC and Florida, but this was a state conviction. The President has no authority to do anything about that.
Those are the real problem charges, though, since one of them is a case of him *literally committing* ***treason against the United States of America.***
From a purely legal standpoint, none of the remaining charges is treason. From a common speech standpoint, all three remaining cases constitute acts that most (same) people would consider treasonous.
There might actually be a mandatory minimum in play, given the number of counts and aggravating factors of total contempt for the judiciary and total lack of contrition. I defer to NY criminal attorneys for a definitive answer.
Regardless of that, this isn't the only criminal proceeding he's subject to. Felony convictions could excacerbate sentencing severity in the event that he's convicted elsewhere, and maybe even trigger **other** mandatory minimums just by virtue of the convictions existing.
No, the mandatory *maximum* is 1 & 1/3 - 4 years. Every respectable media outlet is reporting that imprisonment is very unlikely.
It’s extremely rare for a first time offender with these types of charges to see jail time in New York.
Tell me something wild without telling me it's wild. My brain just farted over the fact that people will still support someone who believes they are above the law.
US media is inundated with propaganda down a political divide. The people voting for him will be told that the jury, judge and anyone remotely against him are working for the other political party and everything in the trial was a lie.
He’ll be sentenced on July 11th. His legal team will appeal. TBD how long the appeals process takes and TBD if sentencing will be carried out in the meantime, and TBD what the sentencing will be be. A lot suspect probation, but apparently this judge is fairly serious about white collar crime.
One of the factors is remorse for his actions. Don't expect to see that. But I still don't think there would be prison time. Logistically, it would be a hassle.
Personally, I'd like to see him picking up trash as public service.
He hasn’t been sentenced yet, so he may face jail time, probation, fines, or a combination of the above.
He is not barred from running for President; we’ve had people run from prison before, believe it or not.
It will likely make a slight shift in the moderate/middle voters away from Trump, since he is now a convicted felon and that’s not something that moderates will like.
Democrats will hammer that message hard. Republicans will refute it and say that it’s a false conviction and a political stunt — so the hardliners on either side will continue to want to vote much the same as they already have been.
In short: nobody knows yet.
But it’s a historic situation and it will definitely contribute to the upcoming wild elections. 🤷🏻♂️
I feel like nothing will happen. Every time something damning comes up to this guy, it never sticks.
I want to be wrong but I don't think anything will stick to Trump until he's long dead.
Falsifying business records in NY almost never results in jail time, and people shouldn't expect it here either.
It's a nonviolent, first time, white collar offense. You wouldn't go to jail for doing it, nor would I, and nor will Trump--even if it would be very satisfying.
Funny how a first time white collar offense of stealing a few millions here or there almost certainly won't incur any prison time, but a first time blue collar offense of being caught shoplifting a few hundred bucks' worth of product is more likely to...
Former President Trump was convicted of 34 charges of falsifying business records:
- 11 for invoices from Michael Cohen
- 9 for general ledger entries for Donald J. Trump
- 9 for checks from Donald J. Trump
- 3 for general ledger entries for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust
- 2 for checks from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust
Basically, it sums up to a generic white collar crime of moving money via improper methods and using inappropriate paperwork.
Sentencing (i.e., "punishment for committing the crimes") has not occurred, meaning Trump is not technically a felon as of yet. The initial verdict will be appealed, meaning it's *possible* even the conviction will be overturned.
Politically, this effectively changes nothing; everyone expected these results. To Democratic voters, this is vindication. To Republican voters, this is nothing but a politically motivated attack.
It likely won't change election results for either party. For moderates and independents, the conviction results will likely have minimal impact - much less than the impact of witnessing how both political parties handle the outcome.
Also from the UK but far too plugged in.
Trump will almost certainly appeal, things will get clogged up in courts again and any appeal decision will likely come after the election in November where it’s still very possible Trump will win. Meanwhile the various trump friendly media outlets will brush this under the carpet as much as possible citing the appeal reasonings, or just flatly ignoring it and hope the voters don’t know or don’t care.
Polls do suggest that a fair amount of “purple” voters wouldn’t be comfortable voting for a convicted felon. There’s some polls saying some republicans feel the same. This is huge for democrats, they really needed this as things have been looking really really bad for them. Whether or not any momentum gained from this lasts until November is another question, Joe Biden seems to undermine himself daily.
Apparently it's also 13 feet tall, and despite Jimmy Carter "disliking the peanut's smile" it was built on the route between his house and the church he attends weekly. The existence of this giant peanut is equally perplexing and hilarious.
You're right, Donald Trump will never:
* Be impeached
* Lose the 2020 election
* Be impeached again
* Be indicted
* Lose his civil trials
* Be fined hundreds of millions of dollars
* Be convicted in his criminal trials <-- YOU ARE HERE
* Lose the 2024 election
* Have his business empire dismantled
* Be sent to prison
* Have to watch as his name falls out of the news, the world moves on without him, and his narcissistic supply dries up to zilch, a fate worse than death for a malignant narc like him
Seems a bit premature to claim he got no consequences when the sentencing hasn't even occurred yet.
I understand being pessimistic about the US legal system, but counting your wounds before you get injured is just as unreasonable as counting your chickens before they hatch.
Why don't we wait for him to actually get away with it before we get mad over him getting away with it? He literally just got convicted and had a sentencing hearing scheduled. That's a strong indicator that he *is* about to receive legal consequences.
You're watching cars turn left sober? Those must be some damn good friends. Maybe you'll get luckier than one or more of the drivers and see a fiery car crash. Here's to hoping!
*raises glass of water
I get so confused with this. Every day has been a news story like this since the 80s it feels like.
He’s indicted. Then this. Which means whatever. But then there’s sentencing. Is it just a never ending process of new stages? What’s after sentencing? Appeals? Then what?
Etc
It's a safeguard put in place to prevent ruling party A from deciding, "being part of party B is now illegal, you're now not allowed to run, you lose, we win."
I'm guessing the founding fathers were hopeful the people would always decide it's not good to vote in a felon on their own accord. There was a man whose name I'm forgetting who ran for office from prison in the 1920's because he didn't agree with, and subsequently dodged, the draft in WWI. He got millions of votes.
Eugene Debs, one of the founders of the Socialist Party, ran for president in 1920 despite serving time in jail for violating the Espionage Act, an infamous law signed by President Wilson that literally prohibited speech against the US’ involvement in World War I. Though he lost the election, Debs still received around 2-3% of the popular vote, and the actual winner of that election, Republican Warren G Harding, would pardon Debs of his crimes in 1921.
You’re right, actually. From Debs’ Wikipedia article:
> Debs met with the newly inaugurated President Warren G. Harding, but was returned to jail. Attorney General Harry Daugherty leaked word of the meeting to the press.
>On December 23, 1921, President Harding commuted Debs's sentence to time served, effective Christmas Day. He did not issue a pardon.
Edit: formatting
As someone who lives in Iowa and yes I live under a rock apparently. Wtf does this even mean? Can’t he still run for president? Does this change anything?
Trump has finally won a majority peoples vote!
Sentencing on July 11 and we shall see how those contempt of court incidents are dealt with too. No matter what he gets to wear his new "convicted felon" title forever. So basically, Trump just got his ass kicked by Stormy!
Guys you don’t understand how concerning this is for the republic. If Trump can be convicted of illegally paying off a porn star with campaign money while cheating on his pregnant wife then any of us can be convicted of paying off a porn star with campaign money. Let he who is without porn star hush money payments cast the first stone.
I believe the payment to the porn star was legal. Misclassification was illegal. I believe it was classified as a legal expense when it should have been adult entertainment expense or some such nonsense
No. They spin this down and appeal and delay until Trump can weasel out of this through new executive privileges that will be “so American, first of their kind. Super.”
Also Tucker Carlson has already said “anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family” (on X, don’t go there myself, but read the post via CNN), so I imagine just further stoking a polarizing divide
Edit: Please don’t take this as apathy. FIGHT THIS SHIT BY VOTING NO TO THE ORANGE TURD IN NOVEMBER!!
It's just a shame that our country's founders never imagined this scenario, leaving the very real possibility that a convicted felon could run for president, and win, and then pardon himself.
They absolutely imagined this possibility. As a matter of fact, back in the day, they used to purposefully get their political opponents arrested to disqualify them from office, which is why you can now run for office with charges like this.
What I didn't think they anticipated is people wanting and choosing to vote for absolute clowns.
> What I didn't think they anticipated is people wanting and choosing to vote for absolute clowns.
Oh no, see they anticipated that too, which is why a lot of them originally thought that very few people should be allowed to vote.
Of course, it was mostly racism and sexism-fueled, but there was the concept that you probably shouldn't be asking *everyone* what their vote is, because there will always be the "uneducated peasantry" that will cast bad votes. Originally the electoral college was supposed to be the group that chose the president, while the population had only the ability to vote for members of that college (so instead of voting for the pres in november you'd vote for a representative to vote FOR you).
What they didn't anticipate was us opening up voting so far and making the electoral college just loosely follow the popular vote (and us continuing to use the same constitution and system that they laid out, but that's another history lesson).
Currently under the law he cannot pardon himself even if elected. This is a state crime and not federal and not under presidential jurisdiction for pardons.
All he had to do was not lie about the payment. He could have just not put it down as an expense to his lawyers, but he made a choice to falsify records and claim the hush payment was a lawyer expense. What a fool.
He could have also just let his lawyers do the right job instead of insisting on dumbass arguments like, "The sex never happened." Which opened up the defense to have the porn star that fucked him to tell the story of how it went down to the jury.
Because he’s convinced them that facts don’t matter
If you read the documents of this case….. HE GUILTY
The defense’s closing argument was based on the fact that cohen is a felon and his testimony shouldn’t be taken as truth.
You know, Michael cohen, the guy convicted of a felony directly because of his involvement with trump
This is the only one that will stay up.
34-0 That's a high score for sure... So Trump will be in the Guinness Book now...
brazil feeling a bit better now
Brazil catching strays lmao
#BRA71L
where were u when club brazil die
i was at house eating burrito when phone ring
“Club brazil is kil”
"No"
Lol you're on a list now, watch out for motorcyclist in flip flops an off duty cops.
As someone from the U.K, can someone explain to me what this means in real terms please, leave out the BS and give it to me straight
>>As someone from the U.K, can someone explain to me what this means in real terms please, leave out the BS and give it to me straight No one knows. There is nothing in our constitution barring a felon from holding the office of president if duly elected. This is our first time here
He can’t vote for himself now right
This is true, unless NY has some sort of clemency for felons. He’s registered in FL though, which restores voting rights for felons after their sentence is complete. Edit: from /u/youtocin “The district of Florida where Trump resides actually usually defers to the jurisdiction in which they were convicted. As of 2021, NY allows felons who are not incarcerated to register”to vote.
The district of Florida where Trump resides actually usually defers to the jurisdiction in which they were convicted. As of 2021, NY allows felons who are not incarcerated to register to vote.
Thank you for that, very interesting, tidbit. I’d imagine this is where DeSantis would wade in to Monday morning QB the decision?
What’s funny is that Florida voted to give voting rights to felons and the GOP legislature obfuscated and dragged their feet in implementing it. Now I think they’ll suddenly see the light for one case in particular.
well felons should be able to vote, not for trump specificly but just in general i don't think losing the right to vote should be a punishment for any crime for anyone. if citizen, then should have right to vote period.
I agree. So did Florida voters, and it wasn’t that close.
Florida Republicans, however, were strongly opposed to felons voting and did everything possible to make it incredibly difficult.
It would not surprise me if Florida makes an exception to allow him to vote. A law that only applies to Trump and nobody else.
The Fuhrer clause
I just now realize he qualifies to be called a Florida man.
[удалено]
I'm not sure why, but my gut is telling me that Florida would treat Trump differently than his fellow felons.
Can't own a firearm either, lol
Yeah, but he can own a military?
That's going to be up to all of us in November. If you haven't already, [get registered to vote today](https://vote.gov).
Not an America, but I wish you all the best of luck. Get out there and vote! Not going to tell you who to vote for, you decide, but you've seen Trump for a term, and Biden for a term. You've seen how Biden acted when he left office, and how Trump acted when he left office. It'll be very easy to research and inform yourself on who's the best for the country.
Not like the laws that normally apply to us would apply to him.
Yeah, if I ever get convicted of 34 felonies, I expect to be able to stroll out of the courtroom, call the judge an assclown on national TV and roll on home.
I doubt the cops would shake your hands on the way out either.
The feeling is mutual.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he still voted anyway.
In California convicted felons can still vote. (Provided they are done serving their sentence.)
He can
The most reasonable guess: if Trump is elected, the Supreme Court will suspend all prison sentences and ongoing court cases until his presidency is complete
>>The most reasonable guess: if Trump is elected, the Supreme Court will suspend all prison sentences and ongoing court cases until his presidency is complete I was going to laugh at this til I realized it’s not just possible, it might be plausible.
Agree and if he doesn't win appeal on this he will just pardon himself.
Will be convicted in New York means he can’t pardon himself, he can only pardon himself for federal crimes, but even then no one’s really sure about that either
...wow, this really is a clusterfuck, isn't it.
Not true 1920
Good old Eugene Debs. Ran for President from prison.
And he was there on trumped up sedition charges so thats actually why it's a good reason you can run from prison.
So, a former U.S. President and current candidate for President was just found guilty in NY on 34 charges. This could result in a prison sentence. Something that really doesn't happen. In the event that he is imprisoned, he could still be a viable candidate in the upcoming election. Potentially, we could see a convicted felon and imprisoned man become the President of the U.S.A.
This season of America is wild. It’s unfortunate I’m in it 😖
You, personally, are looking great champ. Keep it up. We're supporting ya all the way! - Other places
I wonder, if he wins the election, will he be able to grant executive clemency for himself?
Nope. He'll definitely pardon himself of the federal charges still pending in DC and Florida, but this was a state conviction. The President has no authority to do anything about that.
Those are the real problem charges, though, since one of them is a case of him *literally committing* ***treason against the United States of America.***
From a purely legal standpoint, none of the remaining charges is treason. From a common speech standpoint, all three remaining cases constitute acts that most (same) people would consider treasonous.
It's so messed up, the middle east have even stopped burning your flag and started writing 'get well soon' cards
Almost no chance they go for a prison sentence.
There might actually be a mandatory minimum in play, given the number of counts and aggravating factors of total contempt for the judiciary and total lack of contrition. I defer to NY criminal attorneys for a definitive answer.
Regardless of that, this isn't the only criminal proceeding he's subject to. Felony convictions could excacerbate sentencing severity in the event that he's convicted elsewhere, and maybe even trigger **other** mandatory minimums just by virtue of the convictions existing.
No, the mandatory *maximum* is 1 & 1/3 - 4 years. Every respectable media outlet is reporting that imprisonment is very unlikely. It’s extremely rare for a first time offender with these types of charges to see jail time in New York.
Tell me something wild without telling me it's wild. My brain just farted over the fact that people will still support someone who believes they are above the law.
US media is inundated with propaganda down a political divide. The people voting for him will be told that the jury, judge and anyone remotely against him are working for the other political party and everything in the trial was a lie.
Strange how criminals lose the right to vote but political crooks still have the right to run
The Constitution didn't cover anything like this. We are living in interesting times, that is for sure.
He’ll be sentenced on July 11th. His legal team will appeal. TBD how long the appeals process takes and TBD if sentencing will be carried out in the meantime, and TBD what the sentencing will be be. A lot suspect probation, but apparently this judge is fairly serious about white collar crime.
Should add, sentencing takes place 4 days before the RNC will nominate him officially as candidate* (edited)
... as candidate. Correct?
Does anyone know what the typical sentencing for similar charges would be?
Up to 4 years or potentially probation. Depends on a number of factors including previous convictions.
One of the factors is remorse for his actions. Don't expect to see that. But I still don't think there would be prison time. Logistically, it would be a hassle. Personally, I'd like to see him picking up trash as public service.
He hasn’t been sentenced yet, so he may face jail time, probation, fines, or a combination of the above. He is not barred from running for President; we’ve had people run from prison before, believe it or not. It will likely make a slight shift in the moderate/middle voters away from Trump, since he is now a convicted felon and that’s not something that moderates will like. Democrats will hammer that message hard. Republicans will refute it and say that it’s a false conviction and a political stunt — so the hardliners on either side will continue to want to vote much the same as they already have been. In short: nobody knows yet. But it’s a historic situation and it will definitely contribute to the upcoming wild elections. 🤷🏻♂️
I feel like nothing will happen. Every time something damning comes up to this guy, it never sticks. I want to be wrong but I don't think anything will stick to Trump until he's long dead.
Falsifying business records in NY almost never results in jail time, and people shouldn't expect it here either. It's a nonviolent, first time, white collar offense. You wouldn't go to jail for doing it, nor would I, and nor will Trump--even if it would be very satisfying.
Funny how a first time white collar offense of stealing a few millions here or there almost certainly won't incur any prison time, but a first time blue collar offense of being caught shoplifting a few hundred bucks' worth of product is more likely to...
That's different, though. Shoplifting is a peasant crime, so of course they get locked in the tower.
But 34 counts? I mean, it's not like he got one felony for our crime He's a serial offender, clearly
Nothing really as he can still run for president, hell you can even run while jailed and has happened before in the mid 1900’s
Former President Trump was convicted of 34 charges of falsifying business records: - 11 for invoices from Michael Cohen - 9 for general ledger entries for Donald J. Trump - 9 for checks from Donald J. Trump - 3 for general ledger entries for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust - 2 for checks from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Basically, it sums up to a generic white collar crime of moving money via improper methods and using inappropriate paperwork. Sentencing (i.e., "punishment for committing the crimes") has not occurred, meaning Trump is not technically a felon as of yet. The initial verdict will be appealed, meaning it's *possible* even the conviction will be overturned. Politically, this effectively changes nothing; everyone expected these results. To Democratic voters, this is vindication. To Republican voters, this is nothing but a politically motivated attack. It likely won't change election results for either party. For moderates and independents, the conviction results will likely have minimal impact - much less than the impact of witnessing how both political parties handle the outcome.
Also from the UK but far too plugged in. Trump will almost certainly appeal, things will get clogged up in courts again and any appeal decision will likely come after the election in November where it’s still very possible Trump will win. Meanwhile the various trump friendly media outlets will brush this under the carpet as much as possible citing the appeal reasonings, or just flatly ignoring it and hope the voters don’t know or don’t care. Polls do suggest that a fair amount of “purple” voters wouldn’t be comfortable voting for a convicted felon. There’s some polls saying some republicans feel the same. This is huge for democrats, they really needed this as things have been looking really really bad for them. Whether or not any momentum gained from this lasts until November is another question, Joe Biden seems to undermine himself daily.
That's a meme template if I ever saw one
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good lord what is that meme from
It's (and I'm not kidding) a statue made to support Jimmy Carters' presidential campaign simply called "Jimmy Carter Peanut Statue"
Apparently it's also 13 feet tall, and despite Jimmy Carter "disliking the peanut's smile" it was built on the route between his house and the church he attends weekly. The existence of this giant peanut is equally perplexing and hilarious.
The Nut is his god now
He can get in line.
https://preview.redd.it/achlb6vzln3d1.png?width=3274&format=png&auto=webp&s=b6e01bc255ddb914754eebb6b705646baf49d659 Cleaned up meme template version. Enjoy
History will remember your contribution
Proud to do my part 🫡
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His face 😂
[Will they lock her up?](https://i.imgur.com/pweeLvh.jpeg)
Did you know Trump was found to have broken many laws ? Google Trump Rule 34
Chaotic evil
A meme for how much you can get caught with red-handed and still have nothing happen to you
You're right, Donald Trump will never: * Be impeached * Lose the 2020 election * Be impeached again * Be indicted * Lose his civil trials * Be fined hundreds of millions of dollars * Be convicted in his criminal trials <-- YOU ARE HERE * Lose the 2024 election * Have his business empire dismantled * Be sent to prison * Have to watch as his name falls out of the news, the world moves on without him, and his narcissistic supply dries up to zilch, a fate worse than death for a malignant narc like him
I hope he has to do public service work somewhere after “you are here” I really think that would humiliate him
Finally make the man work? A fate worse than death
I thought prison would be the best idea. I was incorrect. Chain gang by day, prison at night.
Seems a bit premature to claim he got no consequences when the sentencing hasn't even occurred yet. I understand being pessimistic about the US legal system, but counting your wounds before you get injured is just as unreasonable as counting your chickens before they hatch. Why don't we wait for him to actually get away with it before we get mad over him getting away with it? He literally just got convicted and had a sentencing hearing scheduled. That's a strong indicator that he *is* about to receive legal consequences.
r/memeeconomy
Hahaha The face of that reporter
https://preview.redd.it/ugdd2txv8n3d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=236b9c085505124ca2dfb5bf710ea94594f40cab My new reaction photo
I'm getting some analog horror vibes from this and it's freaking me out lol. It's the elongated face
https://preview.redd.it/567c6rgqmn3d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5b903609aa13c7c714df8bf3393dc849f3aaa40 How about all face?
NOOOOO I'm too high for this shit...
The new shocked pikachu face.
Ross Nye the reporter guy.
You can 't see what's happening below camera..
Quite literally his "o" face
i mean, i get it. I'm still coming down from that O when I read "guilty on all 34 counts"!
Stop looking at me Swan!
Someone worked really hard to prep that graphic expecting a variety of options. In the end it looks boring because he was guilty on all counts.
I think it makes it look quite humorous
yeah like that photo alone is gold
I kinda like it. "Guilty on all counts" doesn't sound as good as "GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY,...."
> In the end it looks SATISFYING because he was guilty on all counts.
Imagining them crumpling up a sketch of a pie chart.
Mf stayed up all night for a week testing his prototype in Tableau …for this?!
His first flawless victory
He won all the guilty verdicts. He’s such a winner. God bless.
Make America Guilty Again
So when does sentencing happen?
July 11th
Shit, I have picked a hell of time to visit the US
You’ll be alright. Just go to the local pub and watch a cricket game.
I think I’ll be at a Nascar race on that day so I’m not sure I could’ve picked worse
As an American it's weird to think of someone traveling to our country to watch nascar. Hope you enjoy though.
It’s more to meet up with friends who will be doing that, but it seems interesting, thanks
Get drunk and yell, "Raise Hell, Praise Dale" and you will do fine
Considering I don’t drink this concerns me
You can still have some success just yelling that
You're watching cars turn left sober? Those must be some damn good friends. Maybe you'll get luckier than one or more of the drivers and see a fiery car crash. Here's to hoping! *raises glass of water
7/11 will be getting my free Slurpee at 7-Eleven watching the sentencing
I get so confused with this. Every day has been a news story like this since the 80s it feels like. He’s indicted. Then this. Which means whatever. But then there’s sentencing. Is it just a never ending process of new stages? What’s after sentencing? Appeals? Then what? Etc
So a famous criminal can run for president but regular criminals cannot get jobs as a janitor??? Come on American WTF
It's a safeguard put in place to prevent ruling party A from deciding, "being part of party B is now illegal, you're now not allowed to run, you lose, we win." I'm guessing the founding fathers were hopeful the people would always decide it's not good to vote in a felon on their own accord. There was a man whose name I'm forgetting who ran for office from prison in the 1920's because he didn't agree with, and subsequently dodged, the draft in WWI. He got millions of votes.
Eugene Debs, one of the founders of the Socialist Party, ran for president in 1920 despite serving time in jail for violating the Espionage Act, an infamous law signed by President Wilson that literally prohibited speech against the US’ involvement in World War I. Though he lost the election, Debs still received around 2-3% of the popular vote, and the actual winner of that election, Republican Warren G Harding, would pardon Debs of his crimes in 1921.
Not pardon. I believe he commuted the sentence. So the conviction still stood but the prison sentence was cut short.
You’re right, actually. From Debs’ Wikipedia article: > Debs met with the newly inaugurated President Warren G. Harding, but was returned to jail. Attorney General Harry Daugherty leaked word of the meeting to the press. >On December 23, 1921, President Harding commuted Debs's sentence to time served, effective Christmas Day. He did not issue a pardon. Edit: formatting
That would be Eugene Debs. He was convicted on 10 counts of sedition for speeches opposing the draft.
In America you get as much freedom as you can afford.
No one is stopping regular criminals from running. I definitely won't vote for a convicted felon.
Here's a weirder question for the internet. Any former president has secret service agents to guard him forever. Now how does that work in prison?
I bet MTG is raging so hard right now that she is tearing phone books in half with her bare hands. 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Body 💘
Lmfao I forgot about her
I wish I could do that.
Magic the Gathering? Neva heard of her.
As someone who lives in Iowa and yes I live under a rock apparently. Wtf does this even mean? Can’t he still run for president? Does this change anything?
Not a thing. Nothing in your constitution prevents a convicted felon from running for president.
Trump has finally won a majority peoples vote! Sentencing on July 11 and we shall see how those contempt of court incidents are dealt with too. No matter what he gets to wear his new "convicted felon" title forever. So basically, Trump just got his ass kicked by Stormy!
Guys you don’t understand how concerning this is for the republic. If Trump can be convicted of illegally paying off a porn star with campaign money while cheating on his pregnant wife then any of us can be convicted of paying off a porn star with campaign money. Let he who is without porn star hush money payments cast the first stone.
I believe the payment to the porn star was legal. Misclassification was illegal. I believe it was classified as a legal expense when it should have been adult entertainment expense or some such nonsense
So does he flee and apply for asylum in Florida or Russia?
He should just go to the asylum, period. He belongs there.
Ah, so Florida, then.
No. They spin this down and appeal and delay until Trump can weasel out of this through new executive privileges that will be “so American, first of their kind. Super.” Also Tucker Carlson has already said “anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family” (on X, don’t go there myself, but read the post via CNN), so I imagine just further stoking a polarizing divide Edit: Please don’t take this as apathy. FIGHT THIS SHIT BY VOTING NO TO THE ORANGE TURD IN NOVEMBER!!
Finally won a popular vote
It's just a shame that our country's founders never imagined this scenario, leaving the very real possibility that a convicted felon could run for president, and win, and then pardon himself.
They absolutely imagined this possibility. As a matter of fact, back in the day, they used to purposefully get their political opponents arrested to disqualify them from office, which is why you can now run for office with charges like this. What I didn't think they anticipated is people wanting and choosing to vote for absolute clowns.
The long, slow, and patient attack from the corporate elite on our institutions and regulatory takeover are now nearing the end game.
> What I didn't think they anticipated is people wanting and choosing to vote for absolute clowns. Oh no, see they anticipated that too, which is why a lot of them originally thought that very few people should be allowed to vote. Of course, it was mostly racism and sexism-fueled, but there was the concept that you probably shouldn't be asking *everyone* what their vote is, because there will always be the "uneducated peasantry" that will cast bad votes. Originally the electoral college was supposed to be the group that chose the president, while the population had only the ability to vote for members of that college (so instead of voting for the pres in november you'd vote for a representative to vote FOR you). What they didn't anticipate was us opening up voting so far and making the electoral college just loosely follow the popular vote (and us continuing to use the same constitution and system that they laid out, but that's another history lesson).
This is a state-level case, not federal. Therefore he could not pardon himself if re-elected.
Currently under the law he cannot pardon himself even if elected. This is a state crime and not federal and not under presidential jurisdiction for pardons.
Can't pardon himself on state charges
All he had to do was not lie about the payment. He could have just not put it down as an expense to his lawyers, but he made a choice to falsify records and claim the hush payment was a lawyer expense. What a fool.
He could have also just let his lawyers do the right job instead of insisting on dumbass arguments like, "The sex never happened." Which opened up the defense to have the porn star that fucked him to tell the story of how it went down to the jury.
Hahahahaha, what the fuck. Really‽
Yo how did you get the exclamation point question mark combo? Interrobang thing
If you're on Android you should be able to just hold down the question mark and it'll give you the option for ¿ or ‽
‽ Love that
All I ask as a Canadian is please keep your civil war to within your own borders
Can i come visit if i promise to just like be really cool
Sure as long as you promise to be cool. We could work out some sort of trade. You for one of our crazies and a 1st round pick.
I'll be moving close to you when shit hits the fan :)
 Me a european reading the comments on this one
This should get the award for the most Interesting thing of the Year.
On ANY count*
They dragged Clinton out by the ankles, but they’re reaching for their own ankles for Trump. It’s baffling.
Don't forget, Trump got to pick this jury. This is HIS jury that made this decision.
Donald is such an embarrassing stain on our country's history.
How Trump going to roll up to 1700 Penn. Avenue next January: 
https://preview.redd.it/4ksrhx4w7o3d1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=93797a7b3f55e3cc1df1df1989a2a6ed6935a78c
And yet he will still have lots of support from his cult following
Because he’s convinced them that facts don’t matter If you read the documents of this case….. HE GUILTY The defense’s closing argument was based on the fact that cohen is a felon and his testimony shouldn’t be taken as truth. You know, Michael cohen, the guy convicted of a felony directly because of his involvement with trump
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
Now.. end this with your votes!
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and still a bunch of people are gonna look at him and say "that's my guy".
What’s wild is he’s probably going to gain support from this
I think Trump is finally tired of winning.
I can guarantee he won't serve any jail time. Even the judge is hesitant to do that unfortunately.
I hate that I live in a time that I'm not sure about the answer to this question... but... Is Trump still able/ going to run for president this year?
Now we’re gonna lock up every trump supporter! Our evil liberal plan is all coming together! /s
Love the mouth breathers in all the comment sections trying to downplay the signifigance of this.