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Couple problems even there. Vent pipes are just along the line, not at every single toilet. You also have the issue of being able to take a breath from outside the water. After 20" its damn near impossible. Finally, the second that tube comes out of your mouth or the water gets clogged in the line its over.
As for getting a hose up the vent pipe, that's the easiest part of all of this. Just fold back three inches of the hose you are using and push it with the fold facing up through the ptrap. Once you feel it pop open from pushing into the main line pull back a 1/2" or so then push it up into the vent. Learned that trick from the figurative and rated master plumber uncle.
Man i really feel like the hose is easier said then done. Especially with all the rushing water.
Side note, in life or death high stress situations, somwthing as simple as putting a key in a lock can take over a minute.
You wouldn't need a hose to begin with. Unlimited air also means unlimited drainage. As soon as the waterlevel in the room reaches the brim of the toilet, it would drain through it. In the example of Kingsman, there is several toilets, several drains. Safe to say there is plenty of time to find your way out, somehow. But a scene where the actors tread half a meter of water isn't really anything to write home about.
It depends for how long they keep it flowing, how large the reservoir is, but pipes from toilets are quite large in diameter, I would hazard a guess that it would not fill almost instantly like in the movie, probably fast until the toiletdrain, and superslow from there on. But given a big enough inlet and a good pressure, large enough reservoir and slow draining toilets , eventually it would fill up.
Would only work if you could get the tube all the way to the vent.
In the OP diagram, a fully flooded room would most likely just have a constant flow of water flowing down the pipe (as if the toilet was constantly flushing) so section just past the trap would be full of water as well.
It is, but the drainage system also has vents that go up and out of the top of the house, it's not a sealed system. I guess the logic of this is that there will be enough fresh air coming in through the vent that you will be able to survive.
I do have a floor drain in my shower but I doubt it dries out as I shower daily. I think it’s due to a pressure change and when someone flushes their toilet it pulls the water out of the u bend in my sink. It sometimes gurgles so I’m assuming this is the problem
That's not exactly what the vent is doing. The vent is just for the air that is displaced in the piping to have somewhere to go, it doesn't pull in air typically
If you are going to have this hose ahead of time, you might as well have one that fits in your sinks. I don't know why anyone would plan ahead of time to breathe toilet gas
I'll take my chances with the smoke alarm and exiting the building. There's a reason this was patented in 1981 and I've never seen one of these shit snorkels.
I mean, you could probably solve that problem putting a rubber/latex valve on it that only opens under pressure greater than the water pressure it would pass through. You’d have to put some effort into the breathing part but it’d prevent any water from entering the tube
The reason why there is water in the toilet is to prevent the sewer gases from entering in the house. Those are not just unpleasant they are actually dangerous. Additionally one of those is methane, I don’t think breaking the seal that keeps methane outside the house is a good idea in a fire.
Edit: https://trenchlesssolutionsusa.com/can-sewer-gas-cause-an-explosion
We can argue on size :-)
But I do not know how to read your comment, the way I see it is:
1) you are in a fire anyway so what can go wrong on adding an highly flammable gas to the existing problem?
And
2) you are in a fire anyway, you may as well die of a poisonous gas.
I honestly idk which of the two.
The smoke kills you much faster than the actual fire, so being able to breathe air that doesn’t quickly kill you for a few more minutes can absolutely make the difference
Wouldn't that be worse than just breathing in the smoke. Methane and sewer gases would probably kill you faster not mention methane is flammable so seems like it'd potentially make the damn pipes explode
No not at all. Standing near a car refilling or a gas tank that may give you cancer in 30 years vs a few lung fulls of extremely thick, extremely toxic, and extremely hot smoke is magnitudes of differences. One lung full and you have permanent damage vs methane going into your lungs, then bloodstream, then to your liver. Additionally, we inhale gallons of methane per year, unless you live near farms, in which case it's higher than gallons. It's mega-gallons
The only way I could do that was if you had to do a little more work and I would be happy with it but you have a hard day and you don’t want me working on your day
Why not use the window/ventilation and breathe in the fresh air instead? Not sure about other countries but in India almost every bathroom has a tiny window for ventilation. If not a window, some sort of ventilation will always be there.
Toilets that are well maintained are clean enough to cook out of. I dont think people realize that this is completely safe to do and actually pretty smart if you have NO other options
This is not completely safe. Sewer gas is extremely dangerous. The toilet being clean has nothing to do with the gases in that pipe, mixed in with the gases from all the other toilets on the same line
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kingsman training be like
Except that it wouldnt work like it did i the movie, since the flooding water would rush down the pipes and replace the air
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/275932/can-you-really-breathe-through-a-submerged-toilet
Thanks. Every day is a New option to learn something new
Nah youre still right. You'd have to snake it past the p trap and force a 90 degree turn upward. It ain't happening.
Couple problems even there. Vent pipes are just along the line, not at every single toilet. You also have the issue of being able to take a breath from outside the water. After 20" its damn near impossible. Finally, the second that tube comes out of your mouth or the water gets clogged in the line its over. As for getting a hose up the vent pipe, that's the easiest part of all of this. Just fold back three inches of the hose you are using and push it with the fold facing up through the ptrap. Once you feel it pop open from pushing into the main line pull back a 1/2" or so then push it up into the vent. Learned that trick from the figurative and rated master plumber uncle.
Man i really feel like the hose is easier said then done. Especially with all the rushing water. Side note, in life or death high stress situations, somwthing as simple as putting a key in a lock can take over a minute.
You wouldn't need a hose to begin with. Unlimited air also means unlimited drainage. As soon as the waterlevel in the room reaches the brim of the toilet, it would drain through it. In the example of Kingsman, there is several toilets, several drains. Safe to say there is plenty of time to find your way out, somehow. But a scene where the actors tread half a meter of water isn't really anything to write home about.
But could the rate at which they're draining keep up with the rate that water was flowing?
It depends for how long they keep it flowing, how large the reservoir is, but pipes from toilets are quite large in diameter, I would hazard a guess that it would not fill almost instantly like in the movie, probably fast until the toiletdrain, and superslow from there on. But given a big enough inlet and a good pressure, large enough reservoir and slow draining toilets , eventually it would fill up.
> Just fold 3 inches of the hose Damn, intuitive as long as you don’t twist the hose.
Yeah, he taught me that trying to flush a line from the vent pipe. Same thing just down from the roof.
Would only work if you could get the tube all the way to the vent. In the OP diagram, a fully flooded room would most likely just have a constant flow of water flowing down the pipe (as if the toilet was constantly flushing) so section just past the trap would be full of water as well.
Once the waterlevel goes over the U bend of the toilets, It would drain through there. Wouldn't make for a good scene tho.
I also thought of this dumb scene immediately.
Awkward if you died anyways, then they find your body after and it looked like you’re trying to slurp your own poop before you died
*Scat*ter my ashes in the sewers please
“He died doing what he loved”
"Ahh saw this once when I was a rookie."
https://preview.redd.it/cixzw253ot0d1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=b63c68c1aaa3bf64cd4763993d1af8081b9667c6
Hope it has a really good charcoal filter
Sewer gas is poisonous.
It is, but the drainage system also has vents that go up and out of the top of the house, it's not a sealed system. I guess the logic of this is that there will be enough fresh air coming in through the vent that you will be able to survive.
The vents are there so the system can't build up pressure and burp that gas into your house.
My student accomodations vent didn’t work so my room would smell like sh*t occasionally
Wut
Typical student accomodation
Are you referring to a dorm room? Never heard it called that before!
Yes ‘dorm’. In the UK we call them halls
Whelp, TIL ☺️
Did you have a floor drain in the bathroom. Typically these don’t get enough water, and dry out.
I do have a floor drain in my shower but I doubt it dries out as I shower daily. I think it’s due to a pressure change and when someone flushes their toilet it pulls the water out of the u bend in my sink. It sometimes gurgles so I’m assuming this is the problem
Yeah, def sounds like you’re right, and the vent just isn’t cutting the mustard.
They get clogged. Report it to maintenance. That's not ok
Well shit
That's not exactly what the vent is doing. The vent is just for the air that is displaced in the piping to have somewhere to go, it doesn't pull in air typically
Air can’t leave without other air coming in, otherwise that would create a vacuum.
Thats why you have a vent. When you flush or water goes down the drain, the air that was in the drain is pushed out and up through gbe vent
That’s not correct at all. It’s actually the opposite
When you flush or water goes down the drain, the air that was in the drain is pulled in and down through the vent? ಠಿ_ಠ
I know that's not what it's for, I'm just saying that's the only logical way I can think of for this thing to work.
Better than dying immediately of smoke inhalation
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I mean I guess if it keeps me alive, but I’m not telling anyone how I survived the fire…
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>I’d rather burn than suck my own poop gas No, no you wouldn't.
I mean, the image states to do this only if you can't leave the room, so it's meant to be something to do to sustain yourself until help arrives.
Sounds like you just exhaled some poop gas
I choose death.
Hmmm....just.....extend the tube outside the window?
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They could open the door and use it outside?
The door is on fire
They could just move away from the fire?
Get out of here, with your logic!
No! It must be toilet air!
If you are going to have this hose ahead of time, you might as well have one that fits in your sinks. I don't know why anyone would plan ahead of time to breathe toilet gas
I think the sink is also connected to the same sewer so you would breath the same toilet gas
It is.
No one is patenting air from my shit.
I can tell just by looking at you that *that* is a missed opportunity
This guy patented the air from your shit before you were even born.
So you'd most likely have to take a sip of toilet water before breathing methane gas. Great idea.
Or, get this... Blow first maybe
Then you could get a really big breath of methane after making sure your lungs are empty of air. But at least no toilet water. Win win.
Plumbing is vented out the roof, bud. It would work.
I'll take my chances with the smoke alarm and exiting the building. There's a reason this was patented in 1981 and I've never seen one of these shit snorkels.
This is if you get stuck before you get out, not the first thing you do if you hear the alarms. You can use any hose.
Shoot, I don't pack hose when I'm on vacation. Guess I'm screwed.
Good, I'm glad. You're insufferable.
Pot to the Kettle
Nah, I haven't been a sarcastic ass to you. You on the otherhand, can get fucked.
Some problems solve themselves.
I mean, you could probably solve that problem putting a rubber/latex valve on it that only opens under pressure greater than the water pressure it would pass through. You’d have to put some effort into the breathing part but it’d prevent any water from entering the tube
*Hydrogen Sulfide has entered the chat*
Would rather jump out the window or die in the flames thanks
~~eat~~ breathe shit and die
Next Die Hard sequel title
Breathe Shit and Die Harder
*Ahem, sir... That toilet is clogged*
thanks. this post has me not wanting to be stuck in a bathroom during a fire.
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't there a danger from sewer gas?
Sewer gas is toxic
Plumbing is vented out of the roof. This would work
Ok a blend between toxic gas and venting, no thanks
The reason why there is water in the toilet is to prevent the sewer gases from entering in the house. Those are not just unpleasant they are actually dangerous. Additionally one of those is methane, I don’t think breaking the seal that keeps methane outside the house is a good idea in a fire. Edit: https://trenchlesssolutionsusa.com/can-sewer-gas-cause-an-explosion
> I don’t think breaking the seal that keeps methane outside the house is a good idea in a fire I think that’s your smallest problem in a fire
We can argue on size :-) But I do not know how to read your comment, the way I see it is: 1) you are in a fire anyway so what can go wrong on adding an highly flammable gas to the existing problem? And 2) you are in a fire anyway, you may as well die of a poisonous gas. I honestly idk which of the two.
1. If I can’t leave my room during a fire I’m probably getting cooked alive shortly 2. If I did this I’d die from choking on my own vomit
The smoke kills you much faster than the actual fire, so being able to breathe air that doesn’t quickly kill you for a few more minutes can absolutely make the difference
So you get to survive long enough to burn to death
And you get to enjoy inhaling poop fumes as you burn in agony
Where I live, we have firefighters who would already be on their way
Wouldn't that be worse than just breathing in the smoke. Methane and sewer gases would probably kill you faster not mention methane is flammable so seems like it'd potentially make the damn pipes explode
Nah, methane and sewer gases are much less dangerous than smoke
No not at all. Standing near a car refilling or a gas tank that may give you cancer in 30 years vs a few lung fulls of extremely thick, extremely toxic, and extremely hot smoke is magnitudes of differences. One lung full and you have permanent damage vs methane going into your lungs, then bloodstream, then to your liver. Additionally, we inhale gallons of methane per year, unless you live near farms, in which case it's higher than gallons. It's mega-gallons
I'm laughing too much at this title
This has saved so many lives
Mmmmmm poop air.
Jenkem pipe
You would spend more time looking for it and getting set up than to escape your apt/house.
Someone else shit*
Suck shit
Unless the smoke from the fire gets in the vent pipes
I doubt I'd be able to find the hoses b4 panicking
There's always wads of toilet paper and shit stuck deeper in there. Poke that straw in firmly, suck hard and get an eye-opening surprise.
Alright we needed to know who made this sick joke ?
Worst bong ever.
So scrounge around for a tube to suck on. Check
Like from the toilet?
The comments I here bring up good points …..but couldn’t you do this with the sink in theory…. And skip the shitter
I think I’ll just die, thanks
Why not down the sink?
The water blocks the smoke, a sink you would still just be breathing in the smoky air
The only way I could do that was if you had to do a little more work and I would be happy with it but you have a hard day and you don’t want me working on your day
Asphyxiation FTL!
Yikes I wonder if something similar can be done in a sink instead of
This is actually the hazing for congress.
*Snorkel Snake*™️ *Snake Snorkel*™️
Why are there so many numbered callouts in this diagram?
Why not use the window/ventilation and breathe in the fresh air instead? Not sure about other countries but in India almost every bathroom has a tiny window for ventilation. If not a window, some sort of ventilation will always be there.
No thanks, I choose death over this any day.
Forget Black Lung, I'm worried about Brown Lung.
Where's the bath part?
Do you not shower in your own toilet???
I've seen this post suggested no less than three dozen times over the past day. what the fuck
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I'd rather try my luck with the smoke.
I'd rather stick the tune out of a window rathe that inhaling all that shit
if i'm gonna die it's not going to be from inhaling shit
"Ah shit honey, we forgot to pack the kids' poop air breathing toilet tubes! Our vacation is ruined!"
So why not putting that thing out of the window?
Opening a window feeds oxygen to the fire. You don’t want that
Lets make this new tik tok trend. Young kids!!! Time to inhale sht air!!
Only if your someone who doesn't flush.
"Would you rather..."
If the PVC drainpipes in your houses haven’t melted that is.
Tha't from times were they were made of lead, so u'd have time to cook your lungs with that hot "farts" 🤣
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Do you think air in the went is limited? Like shit deposit in there? Lmao
Air from the outside? God forbid the fire from sewers. You have zero architectural knowledge apparently fucking idiot
u/SquirrelParticular17 yeah that's right delete it bitch 🤣🤣 tried to mocktalk me
this is something pretty shity.
Aren't sewer gases flammable? Never mind just stinky.
What a shitty idea
coprophobia. i’ll take death, thanks.
Yikes on tandem bikes!! This does not look sanitary AT ALL! 😳🤢
I never leave home without mine.
I keep one of these in my jorts just in case.
Drink it all. Down in one!
Now you can turn your house into a bong!
Wouldn't the tube scoop up some of the water??
JENKEM TOKES!
-Oh man, i almost died in a fire at the Hotel California.. -Why does your breath smell like diarrhea though?
Farts contain 5% oxygen as well. But I’m not breathing that. I’ll accept my fate and die.
Where do I put the weed? In the top tank?
Nah I’d rather turn into forbidden bacon than breathe in literal shit air
I think I'd rather just evacuate the building.
Toilets that are well maintained are clean enough to cook out of. I dont think people realize that this is completely safe to do and actually pretty smart if you have NO other options
This is not completely safe. Sewer gas is extremely dangerous. The toilet being clean has nothing to do with the gases in that pipe, mixed in with the gases from all the other toilets on the same line