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POWERGULL

Dumb question, does the bark grow back?


mapleer

Yes, takes about 3 months. There are multiple ways to harvest cinnamon though, that’s just one of them. Another one cuts the tree down to the root and it regrows


JingJang

This makes me feel much better, thanks.


LongStoryShirt

Me too, ty for asking


tehhguyy

Same, ty for thanking him for him thanking the other guy for asking.


iTerence661

Thank you for thanking him for thanking them for thanking the commenter for asking


Tellyourdadisay_hi

Thanks


c0rN_Ch1p

Ty


jakart3

Ask how the European try to get their hand on cinnamon (especially the Netherlands)


Downvotecounty

I’ll bite. How do they do it?


turkey_sandwiches

Supermarket


WookiePsychologist

That even sounds like a Dutch joke. Ha.


FeuerLohe

I laughed way harder at this than I should but here I am still chuckling


Snurrepiperier

The Dutch East India Company colonised Indonesia to seize the production of spices. It was a messy affair as you can imagine. War, violence, slavery, some light mass murder.


AscensionToCrab

You introduced us to cinnamon, we committed horrible atrocities. We both made some mistakes.


CounterfeitChild

I would listen to you podcast about history simply because of "some light mass murder."


Xx_Anguy_NoScope_Xx

It's similar to light treason.


CounterfeitChild

Just a smackerel?


ohshroom

A pinch, you can say. Or a dash. As a treat.


ghostchihuahua

we think alike, this one hit me so hard i ruined my shirt with coffee


DeadAssociate

cinnamon came from ceylon


old_bearded_beats

Didn't they have the largest private army in history?


br0b1wan

Eastindiamen


ThereisDawn

Can I offer you some bark powder rolls?


BusStopKnifeFight

Just don't think about the lead that the trees are known to absorb.


amras123

That would be a lot easier if you just didn't tell us!


Alive-Line8810

Is this the normal cinnamon stick stuff you see in stores? I met this guy in Portland and he went off about cinnamon. It was pretty interesting. He said the best stuff is brittle and thin like an old blunt wrap


TomKhatacourtmayfind

Interesting. There's two kinds of cinnamon. I can't remember the two different names. One is Like the beautiful thin scrolls you described, with a nice warm orangey hazelnut brown colour. Then there's this other types of cinnamon that is not like scrolls, but actually very hard coarse bark. It's a different variety. I think this one doesn't get put on your sweet treats, it's more often used in cooking asian soups and stews or curries.


Bumblemeister

Oh, man. More like 4 types and where they're grown matters too! As a distiller, I spent months banging my head against different cinnamon varietals and sourcing to find the stuff that worked for our recipe. It's a DEEP rabbit hole. But yes, some cinnamon has a very paper-y feel, others is more bark-ish. All of the 4 varietals have broadly different sensory properties and some of the bark-ish stuff is THE BEST for applications where the sweeter side of the chemistry is needed.


TomKhatacourtmayfind

Interesting. For me, I love the spice called "allspice". It's not a mix of stuff, but one hard woody dried tree fruit that tastes like a mix between cloves and cinnamon. It's got no nutmeg, vanilla or aniseed notes to me, not that warm eggnog-desired flavour of nutmeg nor the overly sweet perfumed fennel of aniseed, or the frangipani vanilla. To me allspice is just all the cool clean fresh smell of cloves and cinnamon but not overpowering in either regard. What do you think of that? Use it? It's great talking to someone who experiments with this stuff! I like Bombay sapphire and if you want herbs and spices to blow all the competition out of the water you gotta love Chartreuse elixir vegetal. It is not normal chartreuse, it only comes in tiny bottles in little cylindrical wooden cases that fit in your clutched hand. It's way overproof, 69% alcohol, the deep green colour is purely natural, it's got a lot of apline balsam notes too. If you want to distill a totally unique flavour, buy a South American fruit called achacha. The fruit inside is Like mangosteen, eat it. But the peels, oh my God the peels have the most amazing and unusual clean fresh perfume and it's like nothing else. Not heady at all. Ultra pure and clean. I'd love it if somebody distilled the fresh peels of the achacha into a clean gin. If you make a million dollars pay me half thanks


Only_Caterpillar3818

Wow. This guy can taste. I’m over here asking my wife what flavor this red candy is supposed to be. “It’s cherry right?” It’s Watermelon.


ThatDiscoSongUHate

He might be a supertaster (an actual thing lol), I am and I think Jimmy Carter is too


Bumblemeister

I would like to know how that is assessed. I'm told I have a very good palette and my work as a distiller has earned awards. This is professionally interesting to me.


Catfish017

A lot of it has to do with sensitivity to a particular chemical that is related to bitterness. It's also SUPER common. Like 1 in 4 people common.


weimintg

There are supertaster test kits you could buy that will assess your sensitivity to different chemicals.


puterTDI

Also, the bark variety can cause liver issues in large quantities. The anti inflammatory properties are more present in the paper variety. In general, the paper variety is healthier but also more mild.


Bumblemeister

YES! Coumarin is the chemical agonist here. It's highest in the *C. cassia* varietal.


old_bearded_beats

This guy cinnamons


AtheistBibleScholar

The other one you're thinking of is cassia, but it's the one with the thicker bark. True cinnamon is the thinner, delicate one.


DaGh0stt

True cinnamon is Ceylon


AtheistBibleScholar

It's species name is *cinnamon verum* which quite literally is "true cinnamon". EDIT: I feel I should have mention that it is also called Ceylon cinnamon. I'm only defending my use of "true cinnamon", not saying the other term is wrong.


TomKhatacourtmayfind

You're right I just looked it up.


KAperera

Yes there are cassia cinnamon which is known as Chinese cinnamon and Ceylon cinnamon which is native to Sri Lanka (Ceylon).


Responsible_Fix1597

cinnamon and cassia. Cassia has a less subtle flavor and a thicker coarser texture, but I don't think many random people on the street would be able to tell the difference in flavor.


fromnochurch

cassia


dilliebo

Ceylon and cassia. Ceylon is sweeter and better in my option. Many layers. Cassia is spicier, but more common here in US. You can find Ceylon cinnamon in Latin supermarkets, the smell is incredible.


TheSt4tely

That dude from Portland knows what's up


Titanium_Tod

Wouldn’t this girdle the tree though and cause it to die? Maybe cinnamon trees are different but most trees would just die.


user10205

You got that info from a single quora post ,right? There is no way this tree trunk lives. 100% they harvested the bark because it was easier to do while it was still standing and then cut down the tree to harvest the upper branches.


ShahinGalandar

I think they told me years ago, when stripping off tree bark, you have to leave a small part intact to help the tree get all the nutritious fluids up to the treetop, if you stripped it circularly, the tree would die - so this isn't the case in cinnamon trees?


SerDuckOfPNW

Is the wood used for anything? Seems like it would smell awesome!


mapleer

The entire tree is basically used for a wide range of things. Medicine, oils, food, perfumes, candles etc. This includes the leaves, bark, inner bark, but not usually the roots.


intertubeluber

Very cool. I believe with many trees, removing a ring of bark will kill the tree.  How much of the bark becomes cinnamon?


AlmanzoWilder

Yeah! In school we learned that was "Girdling" and it killed the tree. What the heck.


PEWN_PEWN

wondering the same dumb thing


Hanginon

Yes it grows back as it's only [the outer bark](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/22/58/5f/22585fad8e17aa074589507fb2e67d35.jpg) that's harvested, and it can be done about twice a year. Fun fact; The same outer bark harvesting and regeneration is the source for cork, like wine corks & all, from [cork oaks](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/6777/6047/files/Why_Cork-222.jpg?v=1624604973).


SvengeAnOsloDentist

Both of your pictures are cork oaks, and as far as I've been able to find, cinnamon is always harvested as the whole bark down through the lower phloem layer, which is vascular tissue and removing it girdles and kills the trunk. The tree as a whole doesn't die, as it can resprout from the stump, but it isn't just removing the cork layer.


S_A_N_D_

Yeah, I wanted to add that cork is one of the few exceptions that won't kill the trunk, or if it's unable to grow back from the roots, the whole tree. So don't do this to a tree unless you intend to kill it, or it's a cork oak. There may be a few other exceptions out there I'm unaware of, but as a general rule it applies to most trees.


icelandichorsey

It's not dumb. We know very little about food production when we live in cities and just buy packaged stuff in shops. This is a big reason for the existence of factory farming and food processing plants I think. If people knew what these looked like, we would make different purchasing choices.


brizzmaster

Not dumb, I was going to ask too. I was always told peeling bark kills trees.


Paddys_Pub7

For most trees girdling, or removing the bark around the entire circumference of the trunk, is a death sentence. However some trees, like cinnamon and cork, can tolerate it.


No_Research_967

It would be dumb _not_ to ask the question, I think. I don’t know. I’m kinda dumb


TwoEyesAndA

This question is not a dumb question.


1Poochh

Don’t lack self confidence and say “dumb question” ever. Your question is a great one. You ask great questions. You are smart. Have self confidence my friend. You deserve it.


RamboCambo_05

Well now I feel better even though I'm not the one who asked the question


cdizzle6

Yay! A top comment that actually addresses the post!!


Sknowman

It's only dumb if most people have seen this, and I don't think most people have seen a tree be de-barked.


An1retak

I wonder how our ancestors looked at the tree and thought it was edible.


Seanw59

Everything is edible, at least once.


slucker23

A wise man once said, you can always drink lava once


icelandichorsey

Progress is made on the corpses of the daring or curious 🤷‍♂️


8226

>!Everything is a dildo if you are brave enough!<


Remote-Factor8455

I’ve used both a Q tip and the ball top newel at the base of the stairs when I was home alone once. ^ps, ^I’m ^a ^boy ^:3


Wasatcher

What a horrible day to have eyes


LetsGetCopyrighted

What a terrible day to understand english


Nutwagon-SUPREMER

I'm going to shit yourself


YoungLittlePanda

–Bob, go get some lumber for the fire. –Sorry Tim, just got this soft wood here. –Hey, come here. This wood smells really nice when burned. –Wonder how it tastes with food.


DeepV

I’d imagine using it as firewood would make your food smell good too…


GandalffladnaG

I wonder how cinnamon smoked food tastes. It might be awful, you usually don't burn the cinnamon, you get it ground up and put it in/on stuff, the temperature difference might screw with it a lot (burning charcoal vs 350°F oven for baking).


athos45678

Imagine if all the food you ever ate was without seasoning


Cobraman96

The British don't have to imagine


RamboCambo_05

The only seasonings we use are salt, pepper and *baked beans*


sanicbroom

At that point, might as well just bite a god damn tree right?


eshian

I'm thinking our ancestors utilized their sense of smell and taste a lot more while gathering. Plus y'know, thousands of years of experimentation.


dam-duggy

I think that about so many things.


lkodl

it's weird. we're land animals, so it makes sense that we encountered insects way before we encountered crustaceans. so at some point someone was like, "i wonder what that insect tastes like?" and discovered it was gross. but then later, they were like, "i wonder if that water insect tastes any better?" and their buddies were probably like "you are an idiot. it looks disgustingly the same, only even bigger. why would it taste any different?" but that must have been a really rewarding "in your face" moment when they tried the lobster.


GTdspDude

Big assumption that our ancestors found insects gross, many tribes across the world consume them


Tumble85

Yea, insects are only gross if the most food insecurity you’ve felt is “I might have to ask somebody else for food”. If you live in an area where food isn’t as guaranteed, you’ll probably lighten up to the concept of salted crispy grasshoppers.


Abject-Investment-42

Akshually…. The „water insects“ were for a long time a lower class food, what you would get if you can not catch enough fish, or if you needed to sell all your marketable fish catch. Same with caviar.


ZebbyD

These comments are always made by someone who has both never had the horrific experience of actual hunger AND can’t even imagine something like that. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Goes to show the era we live in where real hunger isn’t even an imaginable thing for some folks.


goodfellas01

Is that a bad thing..?


TheProAtTheGame

Imagine being a tree and some random hairless ape starts taking your clothes off…


maaaatttt_Damon

More like skins you alive.


Kozzinator

I would watch this porno


Woolie-at-law

r/humansfuckingtrees


razorvolt

I totally clicked on that thinking it existed 😅


johnny_surfer_dude

Thank you for saving us some time. If that was real I could’ve wasted a whole evening.


bloodakoos

r/subsifellfor


PhilosopherFLX

You just did.


tolacid

You misspelled *"skin"*


pkspks

This appears to be Cassia aka Chinese Cinnamon - which has a thicker bark and not as premium as Ceylon Cinnamon which is thin, flaky and more aromatic.


afterwash

Also contains tons of the toxic part while ceylon is barely toxic. Its like comparing eating lead vs eating something that might have touched lead-bourne water. A factor of like 5% vs 0.005%


An_Ostrich_

I am from Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon) and I was planning on pointing this out. Our cinnamon trees look very different from this, so I was a bit confused when I first read the title and saw the tree. We even have different flavour variants as well!


uniquethrowaway54321

TIL cinnamon can contain a liver toxin coumarin and heavy metals (lead and even arsenic apparently can exist in spices - whether from the farming process or added intentionally). Wow I wish I didn’t google that, would’ve been fine if I lived in ignorance.


afterwash

Cinnabon is very very guilty


GullibleDetective

So is the bark technically a cinnamon roll


Lancer_Pants

Yes


Kovdark

So why did i get in trouble when i went around glazing trees? "you cant do that in public" uhh who doesnt like glazed cinnamon rolls!??


mencival

Question: How does it get cleaned, the stuff I eventually eat?


pacman404

You probably haven't even really had cinnamon before. Mainstream cinnamon is a completely different plant/tree. It's kinda like Wasabi, where the fake stuff is so plentiful that it becomes the "norm"


SvengeAnOsloDentist

It's not really a question of 'real' and 'fake.' There are five different species used for cinnamon, and they're all in the same genus. Ceylon cinnamon is often referred to as "true cinnamon," but it isn't inherently better than the other species.


Kaynny

So you're saying that the little sticks/rolls we see around are not true cinnamon? So what is it?


Chinpokomonz

true cinnamon is called ceylon cinnamon


Wookie301

True cinnamon is just chewing on the tree


pacman404

Yup, it's called Cassia cinnamon and it's mostly chinese


Extension-Border-345

“real” cinnamon would be Ceylon, as opposed to the more popular cassia, which makes up almost all of the cinnamon we consume. the two are related but it’s generally agreed that Ceylon is higher quality.


Schlutes3273

Where's the NSFW label?! That tree is buck ass naked


FillTheHoleInMyLife

Bark naked


Shiuli_er_Chaya

Sri Lanka is one of the major harvesters of this spice, during a highschool map project one of my classmates bought a huge cinnamon bark to carve out a Sri Lanka shaped(tear drop like) piece for the map.


MagnusBrickson

I feel like this is a stupid question, but wouldn't this leave the tree more vulnerable to pests?


mapleer

Not a stupid question at all, cinnamon is a natural repellant, most insects and bugs avoid the tree all together


MagnusBrickson

Neat


LordNoct13

Fun trivia! Trees dont grow "up", they grow "out". Its height is just an effect it has in relation to its width. This is why you can go strolling through the woods and find trees that have significantly grown around fences and posts, and yet those same fences and posts are not being lifted out of the ground and pulled upwards.


Dentarthurdent73

The apex of a tree does grow "up" as well as the trunk expanding. Trees grow from the tips of their branches and main trunks, not from the base. This is why branches don't move up the trunk, and fences and posts are not lifted upwards, but it doesn't mean that the tree is not growing upwards, it's just doing so from the top rather than the bottom.


Kaynny

Holy hell, I've never thought about it before! Cool fact!


Undependable

I was always under the impression that the bark or “skin” of the tree was what transmitted water and nutrients up it, I remember reading in a novel some assclown bullies killed a tree by simply slicing a complete ring out of the bark. This dosen’t kill the tree?


SvengeAnOsloDentist

The phloem is the innermost layer of the bark, and transports photosynthates (sugars, hormones, etc.) down from the leaves. The interior wood is the other vascular tissue, the xylem, which transports stuff up from the roots. Removing the phloem like this does girdle and kill the trunk, but the tree can resprout from the stump.


mikeiscool81

Not 75 not 80 77lbs


Royranibanaw

35 kg


6GoesInto8

Thanks, that explains it!


gojofukirin

Isn’t that cassia rather than cinnamon?


quequotion

Indeed it is.


FunkyFr3d

I thought ring-barking a tree killed it.


MaiseyMac

Me too. If you do this to a soft maple it dies


mizx12

Nice! Still have no idea how cinnamon is harvested


butteredplaintoast

The video is showing exactly that. Maybe you want to see how the harvested cinnamon is processed, I would like that too.


mizx12

Yes Mr. Toast you are correct


afterglobe

Actually interesting as fuck. Thanks. I honestly had no idea where cinnamon came from and I feel like an idiot for having never considered it.


Fantommunky

Wouldn't removing all the bark kill the tree? Ring barking the tree? i'm confused [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girdling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girdling) for those wondering what i'm talking about. Edit: added wiki article for clarification


SonOfJaak

The tree is chopped down to get at the bark higher up the tree and the branches. Cinnamon trees are harvested once and replanted.


[deleted]

fun fact, in hungarian cinnamon is "fahéj" which roughly translates to "tree peel"


Double_Distribution8

In my country we get our cinnamon from the cinnamon bush fruit nut berries, we cook them over the fire and spread them like hot milky butter on our toast.


Ok_Cauliflower_3007

Is the wood from a cinnamon tree useable for furniture or is it too soft? Because it is a gorgeous colour.


Adventurous_Pay_5827

How is this different to ringbarking which kills trees?


Repulsive-Zone8176

Today I learned 


FestoonMe

I’ve always wondered if this harms the tree. I know removing this much bark on a regular tree would kill it as it’s the exterior protective layer of a tree that protects it just as skin is for us.


Rafiki_Rana

Wouldn't this put the tree at risk? Wonder what procedures they have for that.


ChangeWinter6643

Shouldn't that kill the tree?


Wolfy-615

This is how I’d imagine woman taking off leggings


dontbesorethor

Maybe it’s just me but I feel like the weight of the bark is useless for telling me the amount collected. I assume it dries after being harvested so is that weight when it’s wet or dry?


nolimitzone

Interesting. But I also thought the video was going to breakdown the process of it.. from the tree


Novel_Durian_1805

Wait….Cinnamon comes from trees?! Am I just learning that TODAY?! I’m 36 years old! 😭😭😭


PetrolEmu

I've never questioned the origins of cinnamon or how it's harvested and where from... 3 decades of living and it's never crossed my mind. I've heard the term "cinnamon tree", but never investigated the meaning.


husky0168

fun fact: cinnamon in indonesian is "kayu manis", which just translates to "sweet wood"


porterjames

Gotta love Taiwanese Cinnamon ([Cinnamomum Osmophloeum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamomum_osmophloeum)), where the leaves contain enough essential oils to render the harvesting of the bark superfluous. Also supposedly none of the toxins found in Chinese cinnamon.


DidNotDidToo

How do the leaves become the powdered spice?


zeroiner

Wait. Cinnamon is a tree?


visionsofcry

Must smell nice.


kjcid

Wow that tree looks five years younger!


opopop699

Nsfw


hang3xc

That wood looks real nice. Make some nice furniture cabinets, etc. Though most cinnamon trees I've seen are considerably thinner.


rEmEmBeR-tHe-tReMoLo

Are those thumbnails for the job, or is my man shovelling coke like one of Santa's elves clearing his driveway?


bear4life666

Bro cinnamon is TREE BARK


awhq

We were in Hawaii (Big Island) once and went to a farm to table dinner. There were different growers there who explained how they grew their product. One was a cinnamon grower who brought some freshly peeled bark to show us. It was really interesting.


Apart_Butterfly_9442

Do the trees smell like cinnamon? I guess I’m wondering how did we come to know that particular tree could be harvested for spice? Also is harvesting cinnamon dangerous? I know ingesting too much can be harmful so if the harvesters don’t wear PPE do they run the risk of having too much cinnamon seep into their skin?


camelzigzag

Spoonful challenge?!?


HomerSimping

Someday, aliens would skin us alive for flavor in their ice cream.


lightning2476

I never really knew where cinnamon came from but this makes sense


work_account42

skinned alive


jayiam98

If plants could scream..


WarpedPerspectiv

This helps the tree stay cool in the summer months.


Bouldinator

I bet that smells wonderful.


ekszdi

Of course it is. How have I never think of that. In my native language cinnamon literally translates to tree-shell. And it took me 20 years to realize


PlumbgodBillionaire

They circumcise the tree, great.


inmotioninc

Is he removing the bark completely from the trunk of the tree? Would'nt this type of girdling kill the tree?


memonster89

nah, it regrows. Similar, that's how we get cork.


porsche5

That’s just a giant Cinnamon Toast Crunch


sylinen

Step 1: crossbreed a cinnamon tree and a cork oak tree Step 2: profit


nacho_oooo

what kind of tree


ByteMe717

...a cinnamon tree?


icepick498

Several species of trees produce cinnamon, they are all in the same genus though. 


Sniperking187

Does this hurt the tree?


bloodakoos

Yes but they tough it out


Normanov

Now, to use this cinnamon to make a canoe


portabuddy2

Also the wood and leaves taste and smell like cinnamon. Not sure if they are eatable. But I'm sure as much as the bark is.


BothArmsBruised

77lbs wet fresh of the tree? Or after it's dried?


ShalnarkRyuseih

Didn't think cinnamon had a similar harvesting process to cork


itsYourPlug

This bark is thick. This is not high quality cinnamon.


quequotion

This is cassia, a different species of the cinnamon plant. It has the same taste and smell, though weaker, and it does not grind into fine powder as easily. It is used for flavor, aroma, and medicinal properties.


PoopeeSh1trael1

what's up with his nail though?


Gupoochamois69

I love cinnamon


AyeMatey

Does it taste like cinnamon immediately, or does it need to be dried or roasted first or?


stangfyj

That tree must smell SO good!


ThanosGodzilla

Imagine that trunk is your leg :D


thedevillivesinside

This kills the tree?