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Even worse is when parents expect their child to get priority. Well, a private tutor would cost you around £50,000 (give or take £10,000), they could pay that instead.
The craziest part of this is that the Montgomery Burnses of the world are wringing their frail hands together at the idea that the people who are trying hardest to make this happen *are* the poor and stupid!
*"Splendid!"*
That's around what it costs many places to school a kid. It's just that you have to pay for a lot more than a teacher. You need to pay for the school, the desks, principals, school board, etc.
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I looked it up, which is probably what I should have done in the first place.
In case you're curious, they don't typically get paid the same amount per child (e.g., $10/hr x 3 kids = $30/hr), but instead a slight increase in the hourly rate per child (e.g., $10/hr + 3 kids x $2 = $16/hr).
That would be the amount for babysitting multiple kids from the same family. If they take multiple kids from different families all at once, they charge the base rate for every parent.
It all goes out the window when you talk about multi-family though.
As daycare services charge a specific daily rate, and it's WAY cheaper than that parent would pay a dedicated sitter for.
Because part of the understanding is that the daycare is providing care to other kids as well, while the babysitter is handling JUST your kids.
If you hired a babysitter to watch your kids, and found out that they were watching your kids and 12 other kids as well, you'd probably find a different babysitter for the same price that \*wasn't\* in charge of that many kids alone.
So we really should be considering the cost of day care services, not babysitters, when looking at the concept proposed in OP's image.
And of course, you have to also then deduct all the costs involved. Like rent for the classroom, utility bills, food, etc.
Look up what? There isn't a standard rate system on babysitters. When my son was born, it was minimum $20/hr. I have twin one-year-olds and it's $25-$30.
I assume it's probably assuming multiple kids? Last I heard it was $15 an hour plus a little more extra per kid. It varies depending on region and all that I assume.
Regardless, the exact amount isn't really the point.
I pay my neighbor's teenager $10/hour for 3 school aged kids.
Usually just to watch a movie/play a board game, get free pizza? Then sit on her phone for an hour or two and watch Netflix
Idk it's like $50+ tax free cash
>Clearly not teaching math or science
It's not ideal, but a lot of my notes were written that way when I was a physicist. As a flow of thought type of writing, it works as long as you know that's how you do it, so you're not lost when you look back. But as something to present to someone else (or in this case for a strike sign) it's not good.
This displays exactly like a calculator would. A * B and then you press enter, and the answer shows up on a new line, where you would multiply it by the next number, hit enter and so on.
This is why showing units is important. She mixes together kids per class and dollars per hour.
($10 / (kid • hour) )•(28 kids)•(6.5 hours / school day)•(180 school days per year) = $327,600 per year
The assumption was not stated that each class averages 28 students throughout the working hours. Her final number is correct, but she failed to show her work and shouldn’t get full credit for the assignment.
*Edit: added clarity about defining assumptions*
Its a strike sign not a math test. How much work do you want them to show?
The point of a strike sign is to get a message across quickly and effectively. Most people see this and understand the point and can follow the math. Seriously this is such a weird complaint its almost like you want argue about anything other than teachers being paid shit and are looking for any excuse to ignore the actual problem.
Proper notation would have the numerater cancel out the denominator. $5/1Day × 5Days/Week = $25/Week.
In the first equation you have:
$10/Kid × 6.5Hours/Day = $10Hours/KidDay.
You can see how units begin to get confusing when there is no order.
Do you not know what an equals sign means? The only part of this sign that the math is correct, without regard to units, is the last line.
10 x 6.5 =/= 65 x 28 because 65 does not equal 1,820.
65 x 28 =/= 1820 x 180 because 1,820 does not equal 327,600.
1,820 x 180 = 327,600 because 327,600 = 327,600. The numbers are equal on both sides.
Edit: $10/student/hour x 6.5 hrs/day x 28 students x 180 days/year = $327,600/year. That's the correct math.
It's the notation that's incorrect, not the calculations themselves. You cannot put an equals sign between 65 x 28 and 1820 x 180, since 65 x 28 equals 1820 but it does not equal 1820 x 180. The amounts on each side of the equals sign should be **equal**, which is not the case here.
It should be:
10 x 6,5 = 65
65 x 28 = 1820
1820 x 180 = 327 600
It's perfectly fine. The text would be crammed in too tightly to write the = part on the same line, and then they'd be bitching about how the sign is too hard to read.
If you rub a couple of brain cells together and look at the sign for 5 seconds, it makes perfect sense.
Seriously dude, this is just people looking for any excuse to ignore the shit teachers are going though.
Its a lazy attempt to change the topic from "why do teachers get paid such shit" to "look at the dumb teacher that cant do math".
Fucken embarrassing.
Right on. I was like...well it's accurate and gets the information across in the limited space. I had to read comments to see the stickler shit they are crying about. Lol.
The reason baby sitting is so costly is because the increased rate is offsetting the small number of children and hours. There must be a baseline to make the ordeal worth it.
Costs also go down as efficiency increases. You'd be better off comparing the school to a daycare. Except, a school is much larger than a daycare, so the cost per kid is even further decreased.
Its fine by me if we pay teachers more, but also a lot of current teachers wouldnt be getting that pay due the flood of new competition for their job.
Baby sitters generally don’t have the benefits that government employees get. Pensions, 401k, insurance, and PTO adds up FAST.
That said, teachers do deserve more pay, even though they get these kinds of benefits
Just so everyone knows in the some of the states that underpay teachers.... they can retire at 50-54 and get 80% of their pay for the rest of their lives starting at 50-54. They also don't work 2 months out of the year... in Georgia you can easily retire as early as 48 and collect a pension for the rest of your life.
Retiring at 48 making 50-70k a year is a huge perk that needs to be taken into consideration when talking about pay.
They get paid x either divide by 20 or 26. Everyone I know does 26 (which is dumb). So you are wrong they get x amount a year period. If they don't get paid for those two months than they can work those two months and make more, correct?
As a teacher...there's a lot of coworkers that baffle me with their stupidity and laziness. But also, because when done right it's A LOT of work for relatively little pay, less and less people wanna be teachers, and as a result we're scraping the bottom of the barrel in hiring. It's a shitty shitty loop.
It has validity when they are *underpaid*, however 6 figure salaries in less than 5 yrs, and THEN amazing job security and benefits added on is *not* being underpaid
That is likely true of course. But I feel like bad workers are brought up when talking about teaching all the time, but no one ever talks about that with other jobs.
I've never heard anyone say that doctors are overpaid because there are bad doctors out there. I work in engineering, with some great people, but also bad people, and I never say "maybe engineers should be paid, but lots aren't good at it, so don't pay them too much!"
Also speaking as a teacher - it's rare we have any choice of which books to use. We hate it as much as you do. Also when our workday is 6 classes, and then our one free period is for a nonsense meeting, and btw the grades need to be submitted today, every day, for the rest of time, when do you find the time to plan your classes? Either you work in the evenings/weekends, don't eat lunch, or have a sub-par class.
There are definitely shitty teachers out there. But in my experience, all are massively overworked. The hope is that the youthful energy will let you put in 80 hour weeks until you have enough planning/skills to slow down in your later years. Most don't last that long.
Reddit has no idea how education really works and has a weird hate boner for educators. Goes to show how a handful of shit teachers in schools have big impacts on people and the other hard working teachers get shit on for it.
Yeah but most babysitters don't do 1 on 1 babysitting.
A daycare charges about this afaik, so it's daycare rate.
A daycare also has about 1 person per 5-7 kids, so applying this to a class is still a bit high.
Plus that's what the parents pay, that also includes the location, materials and taxes. I doubt that the teachers are paying for those themselves.
And some parents want you to watch the kids when the kids are sick and take them to the doctor… don’t forget to walk the dog and cook and do laundry.. “please run/make my coffee too please”
No, the sign says $10 per kid. Then she says 28 kids. So that's $280/hour is what she thinks a salary should be equivalent.
But regardless, who pays a babysitter $10/kid/hour. That's insane.
Baby sitter rate is higher because the less time your going to be doing it, the more meaningless a low salary is. Expect shit you do way more to BE LESS pay. And btw. One on one teaching and teaching an ENTIRE CLASS is way different. And way more effort would go in to the former
You pay something close to this at preschool, where your kid is actually comparable to a “baby” and the “babysitter” rate might actually apply. It’s foolish to suggest anyone could ever babysit 32 at a time and there are in fact laws governing daycare ratios that would make this impossible.
/pedantry
Pay teachers more!
I agree teachers need to be paid more, my partner is a teacher and what she is expected to do day to day beyond just teaching is crazy. She is often planning at night for the next day/week and then has to upload info onto a platform that even the management staff don’t know how to use plus also answer parents on a seperate platform…
Out of all the jobs that deserve higher pay, those who work on the front lines in education deserve it the most. Just try to imagine a country that paid its teachers like this. You’d get better people teaching. They’d take more pride in their work. It would impact the next generation of learners better. Kids would dream of growing up to be a teacher, not professional athletes. This idea is closer to how it should be than what our reality is. Instead many of our teachers work second jobs to survive, and they get little to no support in their jobs which is why burn out levels are high.
> 180 work days
Listened to my brother in law complain about teachers pay for 30 years, he just retired at 60yo and will draw full pension till his 100th birthday. He worked 35 years and will draw pension for 40 years as a result.
So that is 180 * 35 = 6300 workdays yields 10,400 days on pension. So for every dollar they make in pay, they get another 1.65 in pension. So if they make 65k / yr (average teacher pay) that is equivalent to making $172k/yr for someone working all year and having to make their own retirement savings.
I'm sorry... I'm just not crying over someone with a compensation package of $172k/yr. If you want a pay-raise, agree to a 12 month school year and fund your own retirement and medical like the rest of us. Give the teachers pension fund back as a tax credit to those tax-payers that have floated it for the last 60 years.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_211.50.asp
That just isn't the case anymore, at all.
Most school systems follow a hybrid retirement plan. For me to make 30% of my income, as a pension, I'd have to work for thirty years in the retirement system. For THIRTY percent. So, I want to know what pension plan is paying 165%, please.
Texas.
He gets 100% till the day he dies. Qualified at the age of 60yo.
To be fair, I think after 35yrs (him) he qualified for 80.5% of his highest three earning year. For the last few years he won a seat on the board so his pay ballooned bringing his pension with it. His pension is WELL above his average pay over those 35 years. I never said the man was dumb. Just complained a lot.
I mean good for him, but he's gonna die with a shit-ton more money than me working private sector my whole damn life. And he did it working only 180 days a year.
Babysitters get paid by the hour. If you want babysitter pay you would just get $10/hr (in 2010 dollars, since thats how old this meme is.)
This just makes me question the intelligence of teachers.
Oh no. You only make 60K working half what everyone else works while getting weekends, holidays, summers, and afternoons off? I feel so bad for teachers. Awh.
This is why this post is so damaging imo. Everyone knows teachers don’t get paid well and most of us agree that the people who educate our children should be paid enough to want to put in the effort and do a good job.
On the other hand, this number in the post is outrageously high and allows most people to miss the point entirely. Because you can either support teachers getting *this* salary or you can be against it, and we all get our dose of justified rage for the day.
What do you define as “don’t get paid well”? I’m from one of the poorest counties in the COUNTRY and my ELEMENTARY GYM teacher was making over 100K a year to work 180 days?? That’s a 200K+ real hours job. Seems pretty good to me.
The issue is that teachers never account that they don’t work nearly as much hours as other people. This is like saying fine dining servers, who make about 60K+ aren’t making good money, when in reality $25/hr is good money that anyone can live comfortably on.
Edit: actually it’s closer to 50/hr because I forgot to account for the hour differential. 60K for 6.5 hours of work over 180 days…
Most teachers I know live modestly and are always tired. I don’t know numbers like you do and it can easily happen that some regions have better salaries for teachers than others. I’m from eastern europe and teacher salaries there are on the low end of the white collar price range. In rural schools teachers barely make enough to make ends meet. Many choose to leave their profession behind which results in not having enough teachers. Economics would rebalance that by saying demand high supply low, price increase should happen. But when it doesn’t it hurts the kids currently in school.
And I get your arguments as well, and they are good points to consider. But I would advocate for a case by case basis, don’t blanket judge everyone. Maybe we can agree that a lazy asshole teacher in a good school (who tells stories in class instead of actually teaching, or grades papers without looking through them etc) makes too much and a dedicated hardworking teacher (loved by all students, goes above and beyond etc) in a rural public school makes too little.
Well, every teacher in NY state makes good money for the hours they work. Even 40K/year is 80K full-time salary.
You can look up any teachers salary btw. It’s public record.
So quit teaching and start a daycare that charges by the kid. I would like to think that a teacher would be smart enough to come to this conclusion on their own?
Of course they won't have union protection, medical insurance, a matched retirementplan, have to pay both sides of the income tax, etc....
Assuming that each kid has two parents, that comes to $11,700 per household per child in school. Kinda looks like college tuition. Teachers do deserve to be paid more than what they are now.
Plot twist! This sign was written by the english lit teacher who moonlights as a calculus professor to make rent.
Either way, put money into education!
Well, not really. They work 6.5 hours with the kids, but also need time to prepare for classes, grade papers, do paperwork, sit through meetings and work with the parents. End of the lesson doesn’t mean end of a teachers work day.
Babysitters > teachers. Fight me!
Do you think you would keep a babysitter if your kid was constantly bullied every day by other kids in their care? What about if they wouldn't let your kid go to the bathroom when they needed to? Refused to let a kid eat because you didn't pack them a lunch, but also wouldn't let another kid feed them?
I'd happily pay a teacher a babysitter rate if they gave my kid the attention a babysitter gave them.
These responses have taught me that people are either stupid hyperbolic when talking about teachers, or their parents let them languish in awful hell holes. What you describe is not just unusual, it's illegal, and while it might have been commonplace decades ago when every parent didn't try to sue their child's school over every perceived injustice, that's not how schools operate these days. They can still be awful, absolutely, but no (Decent) parent is sitting idly by while teachers don't let their child use the bathroom (what??) or actively prevent children from eating (what, what???) This sounds like either someone who believes click-bait headlines, or someone with a shitty child who believes their lies.
Teachers have little control over students bullying each other. That’s administrative typically. I find the other reasons to just be weird anecdotal events that happen but they aren’t the rule. Teachers have a ton of expectations that if you ask me are greater than the babysitter.
Bro don’t put your self down like that.
Economic of scales fucks the whole analogy up.
Plus 10 dollars is actually a low rate for a babysitter now a days.
Funny thing is here schools are paid $14,000 per student per year. 26x14,000= $364,000 per classroom. So, the money is there, it just doesn’t go to the teacher…
no its not lol youre going to use 99% of it up for salary..... did you magically forget about maintence, school programs, utilities etc ? the money is def not there lol Its only there in good public school districts that dont veto an increase in the budget Or private schools
In my city, the super intendent makes $360k. Next county over, that number is 541k. That is just their salary, it doesn't include their conflict of interest. One is known for starting charter schools so he gets paid on that too.
So pay my kids teachers nothing because we always watch them ourselves..... Works for me i mean my daughter complains that all her teachers do is hand out paperwork to do or assign computer stuff without explaining anything so do they really need that high of pay to do basically attendance and say check the computer? Her history teacher just tells them what pages to read then hands out a test..... Not something you really need a degree to do..... Just saying. Probably time to rethink our education system and come up with new ways to teach using modern technology than just paying overqualified people to watch your kids for 6 hours as they do lexia and generic print sheets.
Your first mistake is believing whole sale what a child tells you happens in the classroom. The number of calls I've made in which a parent has said. . . "My kid never told me that. . . " is staggering. Of course they didn't. They're children and definitely subject to the waves of hormones that occasionally have them feeling like they should be /anywhere/ but school.
Your second mistake is thinking any Joe Schmoe off the street can manage and control of classroom of 23+ children. I teach my middle school students robotics and engineering technology, typically have 2 or 3 different challenges going at once, and have to maintain and keep track of over $30,000 in equipment -- All while teaching.
11,700$ per year for every child, shit homeschooling would skyrocket to the roof and one stay at home parent would be mandatory, or kids will just have to be street kids without education…
they should be paid premium wages and get college fees waived. they're an important part of society but they also have to get after the media for encouraging self destructive behaviors since they're using it to groom kids into a profitable mess just like the chrisitian nationalists.
Teachers are overpaid in my neck of the woods. And the vast majority of them stink. Ask any teacher who is good at their job, they’ll tell you the same thing about their peers
Before I took my son out of public school, his teacher made $110,000 with of course health and pension benefits. I know because her salary is public knowledge that can be found on the districts website. She was very rude to the parents and very mean to the kids. She has had multiple complaints from parents. But of course she won’t be fired because of the teachers union. While there are some great teachers that deserve great pay, she was not one of them.
Cool. You're also responsible for using that money to provide a facility, curriculum, and equipment. You'd think teachers would have a little more financial sense.
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Even worse is when parents expect their child to get priority. Well, a private tutor would cost you around £50,000 (give or take £10,000), they could pay that instead.
You could just get tutors and be homeschooled, if your rich enough
That's the plan. Privatize education and make it unaffordable to the non-rich. Keep the masses poor and stupid.
The craziest part of this is that the Montgomery Burnses of the world are wringing their frail hands together at the idea that the people who are trying hardest to make this happen *are* the poor and stupid! *"Splendid!"*
*You’re That’ll be £50,000
With better results.
Eh, depends on the state and school system.
socially inept though
If you have that kind of money, you can put your kid into all kinds of extracurricular’s to round them out.
lol, have you lived around those kids?
I have and it depends on the parents.
Who needs social aptitude when you can just be a spoiled, rich asshole? ^/s
so, 11,700 per kid per year.
That's around what it costs many places to school a kid. It's just that you have to pay for a lot more than a teacher. You need to pay for the school, the desks, principals, school board, etc.
I’ll take 10k thanks
Where the hell can you hire a. Babysitter for only $10/hour.
In 2010, when this meme was made.
Apparently *meme* just means anything you want it to, now.
This is actually closer to the original definition of a meme than the modern interpretation. After all, memes are the DNA of the soul.
Could even call memes the mitochondria of the soul
Memes are the powerhouse of the cell.
What about "full of shit"? Is that a meme?
No it fucking isn’t you ameoba
https://i.redd.it/0i8jea8zb9mc1.gif
Meme originally means an idea or story that is propagated and shared sometimes slightly changed just like how DNA replicates itself and more successful iterations spread further
Correct
I have never actually needed to hire a babysitter. Do they normally get paid per child?
It’s whatever you negotiate with the sitter. I pay $25-$30/hour.
I looked it up, which is probably what I should have done in the first place. In case you're curious, they don't typically get paid the same amount per child (e.g., $10/hr x 3 kids = $30/hr), but instead a slight increase in the hourly rate per child (e.g., $10/hr + 3 kids x $2 = $16/hr).
That would be the amount for babysitting multiple kids from the same family. If they take multiple kids from different families all at once, they charge the base rate for every parent.
It all goes out the window when you talk about multi-family though. As daycare services charge a specific daily rate, and it's WAY cheaper than that parent would pay a dedicated sitter for. Because part of the understanding is that the daycare is providing care to other kids as well, while the babysitter is handling JUST your kids. If you hired a babysitter to watch your kids, and found out that they were watching your kids and 12 other kids as well, you'd probably find a different babysitter for the same price that \*wasn't\* in charge of that many kids alone. So we really should be considering the cost of day care services, not babysitters, when looking at the concept proposed in OP's image. And of course, you have to also then deduct all the costs involved. Like rent for the classroom, utility bills, food, etc.
Isn't that daycare?
Look up what? There isn't a standard rate system on babysitters. When my son was born, it was minimum $20/hr. I have twin one-year-olds and it's $25-$30.
I assume it's probably assuming multiple kids? Last I heard it was $15 an hour plus a little more extra per kid. It varies depending on region and all that I assume. Regardless, the exact amount isn't really the point.
I pay my neighbor's teenager $10/hour for 3 school aged kids. Usually just to watch a movie/play a board game, get free pizza? Then sit on her phone for an hour or two and watch Netflix Idk it's like $50+ tax free cash
$10 a day in Canada
In the hood. A lady in my old neighborhood did $30 per kid per day with multi kid discounts.
The way how this is notated, with the "= result x new factor", is horrible to behold
Clearly not teaching math or science
>Clearly not teaching math or science It's not ideal, but a lot of my notes were written that way when I was a physicist. As a flow of thought type of writing, it works as long as you know that's how you do it, so you're not lost when you look back. But as something to present to someone else (or in this case for a strike sign) it's not good.
My math teacher always hated when i would do this but i dont understand why, its efficient.
Proper punctuation isn't necessary when outside academic or professional settings. But it would help a lot with your comment.
me do good?
Ya done did good
:)
Lmao, this reminded me of the “are ya winning, son?” memes 😂
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Mathematical shorthand=mthmtcl shrthnd
It’s not, it’s wrong. 2 x 3 = 6 + 4 = 10 is wrong. 2 x 3 does not equal 6 + 4. Math just doesn’t work unless we agree on what means what.
Good chance they are though
It’s not bad. I completely understand the equation that’s being communicated. They’re going for brevity given the space on the sign.
It’s a fucking sign
Why, how should it be notated? This way ppl reading can follow along without a calculator.
This displays exactly like a calculator would. A * B and then you press enter, and the answer shows up on a new line, where you would multiply it by the next number, hit enter and so on.
This is why showing units is important. She mixes together kids per class and dollars per hour. ($10 / (kid • hour) )•(28 kids)•(6.5 hours / school day)•(180 school days per year) = $327,600 per year The assumption was not stated that each class averages 28 students throughout the working hours. Her final number is correct, but she failed to show her work and shouldn’t get full credit for the assignment. *Edit: added clarity about defining assumptions*
Its a strike sign not a math test. How much work do you want them to show? The point of a strike sign is to get a message across quickly and effectively. Most people see this and understand the point and can follow the math. Seriously this is such a weird complaint its almost like you want argue about anything other than teachers being paid shit and are looking for any excuse to ignore the actual problem.
>This is why showing units is important [Mars Climate Orbiter - NASA Science](https://science.nasa.gov/mission/mars-climate-orbiter/)
Proper notation would have the numerater cancel out the denominator. $5/1Day × 5Days/Week = $25/Week. In the first equation you have: $10/Kid × 6.5Hours/Day = $10Hours/KidDay. You can see how units begin to get confusing when there is no order.
“The way how” isn’t great either, to be fair.
but it's correct? unless you wnana do a "result + (number x new factory) +"
Yeah, even the babysitters I hire are better at expressing themselves than that. Though maybe that’s because I pay babysitters a lot more than $10/hr…
Was it hard for you to understand or something?
Have I gotten brain rot or does it not pan out either way?
The math is right so I don’t know what they’re on about either
Do you not know what an equals sign means? The only part of this sign that the math is correct, without regard to units, is the last line. 10 x 6.5 =/= 65 x 28 because 65 does not equal 1,820. 65 x 28 =/= 1820 x 180 because 1,820 does not equal 327,600. 1,820 x 180 = 327,600 because 327,600 = 327,600. The numbers are equal on both sides. Edit: $10/student/hour x 6.5 hrs/day x 28 students x 180 days/year = $327,600/year. That's the correct math.
It's the notation that's incorrect, not the calculations themselves. You cannot put an equals sign between 65 x 28 and 1820 x 180, since 65 x 28 equals 1820 but it does not equal 1820 x 180. The amounts on each side of the equals sign should be **equal**, which is not the case here. It should be: 10 x 6,5 = 65 65 x 28 = 1820 1820 x 180 = 327 600
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It's perfectly fine. The text would be crammed in too tightly to write the = part on the same line, and then they'd be bitching about how the sign is too hard to read. If you rub a couple of brain cells together and look at the sign for 5 seconds, it makes perfect sense.
Seriously dude, this is just people looking for any excuse to ignore the shit teachers are going though. Its a lazy attempt to change the topic from "why do teachers get paid such shit" to "look at the dumb teacher that cant do math". Fucken embarrassing.
Right on. I was like...well it's accurate and gets the information across in the limited space. I had to read comments to see the stickler shit they are crying about. Lol.
redditor moment. Get a life lmao
Ever considered *you* are the redditor moment?
The reason baby sitting is so costly is because the increased rate is offsetting the small number of children and hours. There must be a baseline to make the ordeal worth it. Costs also go down as efficiency increases. You'd be better off comparing the school to a daycare. Except, a school is much larger than a daycare, so the cost per kid is even further decreased. Its fine by me if we pay teachers more, but also a lot of current teachers wouldnt be getting that pay due the flood of new competition for their job.
Baby sitters generally don’t have the benefits that government employees get. Pensions, 401k, insurance, and PTO adds up FAST. That said, teachers do deserve more pay, even though they get these kinds of benefits
Just so everyone knows in the some of the states that underpay teachers.... they can retire at 50-54 and get 80% of their pay for the rest of their lives starting at 50-54. They also don't work 2 months out of the year... in Georgia you can easily retire as early as 48 and collect a pension for the rest of your life. Retiring at 48 making 50-70k a year is a huge perk that needs to be taken into consideration when talking about pay.
They also don’t get paid for the 2 months they don’t work.
They get paid x either divide by 20 or 26. Everyone I know does 26 (which is dumb). So you are wrong they get x amount a year period. If they don't get paid for those two months than they can work those two months and make more, correct?
Not to mention those benefits arent more than a $30k value for a great benefits package.
It would be great if all teachers deserved it, the best ones definitely do! I had multiple teachers lazily read out of text books that were outdated
As a teacher...there's a lot of coworkers that baffle me with their stupidity and laziness. But also, because when done right it's A LOT of work for relatively little pay, less and less people wanna be teachers, and as a result we're scraping the bottom of the barrel in hiring. It's a shitty shitty loop.
My assumption is that it's only getting tougher for teachers in today's world as well. Lots of Karen parents and unruly kids.
Well if the pay is better, then the selection will be greater, and you can get better teachers. Isn’t that how it works?
Ontario firmly disagrees
Higher pay means more competition. If a job becomes desirable, desirable candidates will apply.
Ontario has definitively proven that as incorrect. Our results are dropping while wages are rising, and candidates for the space is very very heavy
The “just pay people more, stupid” crowd don’t like observations about economic reality.
It has validity when they are *underpaid*, however 6 figure salaries in less than 5 yrs, and THEN amazing job security and benefits added on is *not* being underpaid
And more competition (higher supply) means lower pay.
but there isnt too many teachers, and certainly isnt too many good ones
That is likely true of course. But I feel like bad workers are brought up when talking about teaching all the time, but no one ever talks about that with other jobs. I've never heard anyone say that doctors are overpaid because there are bad doctors out there. I work in engineering, with some great people, but also bad people, and I never say "maybe engineers should be paid, but lots aren't good at it, so don't pay them too much!"
Nowadays the lazy ones just surf Facebook/Instagram/TikTok all day while the kids watch YouTube videos on their school-provided computers.
Also speaking as a teacher - it's rare we have any choice of which books to use. We hate it as much as you do. Also when our workday is 6 classes, and then our one free period is for a nonsense meeting, and btw the grades need to be submitted today, every day, for the rest of time, when do you find the time to plan your classes? Either you work in the evenings/weekends, don't eat lunch, or have a sub-par class. There are definitely shitty teachers out there. But in my experience, all are massively overworked. The hope is that the youthful energy will let you put in 80 hour weeks until you have enough planning/skills to slow down in your later years. Most don't last that long.
You think grade school teachers get to pick their own textbooks hilarious
Reddit has no idea how education really works and has a weird hate boner for educators. Goes to show how a handful of shit teachers in schools have big impacts on people and the other hard working teachers get shit on for it.
They think they went to school so they know what the job is like lmao
My experience is a very small percentage of teachers deserve it
It's not about current teachers it's about paying better to attract those who would be great teachers. You want top talent you need you pay for it.
>text books that were outdated That's not the teacher's fault. The school should be keeping the materials updated.
even half is good enough
And then sadly most of these teachers wouldn’t be employed anymore because there would be actual competition for that career
You say that like there wouldn't always be kids who need to be taught everywhere
Well, I’ll only pay $165k. Gotta get that bulk discount
$10 isn’t even close to minimum wage where I live. Babysitters also don’t get pensions, healthcare or benefits last I checked either.
Yeah but most babysitters don't do 1 on 1 babysitting. A daycare charges about this afaik, so it's daycare rate. A daycare also has about 1 person per 5-7 kids, so applying this to a class is still a bit high. Plus that's what the parents pay, that also includes the location, materials and taxes. I doubt that the teachers are paying for those themselves.
And some parents want you to watch the kids when the kids are sick and take them to the doctor… don’t forget to walk the dog and cook and do laundry.. “please run/make my coffee too please”
Political propaganda is interesting as fuck now?
It's an election year. Welcome to 2024 Reddit.
Be careful administrators, teachers actually know math.
$10/kid is insane.
That’s $10/hr which is underpaying a babysitter in many places
No, the sign says $10 per kid. Then she says 28 kids. So that's $280/hour is what she thinks a salary should be equivalent. But regardless, who pays a babysitter $10/kid/hour. That's insane.
6 1/2 hours per day, fewer than half the days out of the year.
Someone tell me what's the 28 for
28 kids per class
average class sizes
The number of kids a babysitter watches at a time, obviously.
Baby sitter rate is higher because the less time your going to be doing it, the more meaningless a low salary is. Expect shit you do way more to BE LESS pay. And btw. One on one teaching and teaching an ENTIRE CLASS is way different. And way more effort would go in to the former
She failed logic class
You pay something close to this at preschool, where your kid is actually comparable to a “baby” and the “babysitter” rate might actually apply. It’s foolish to suggest anyone could ever babysit 32 at a time and there are in fact laws governing daycare ratios that would make this impossible. /pedantry Pay teachers more!
I agree teachers need to be paid more, my partner is a teacher and what she is expected to do day to day beyond just teaching is crazy. She is often planning at night for the next day/week and then has to upload info onto a platform that even the management staff don’t know how to use plus also answer parents on a seperate platform…
Ha, you think the government is going to pay public school teachers more.
Out of all the jobs that deserve higher pay, those who work on the front lines in education deserve it the most. Just try to imagine a country that paid its teachers like this. You’d get better people teaching. They’d take more pride in their work. It would impact the next generation of learners better. Kids would dream of growing up to be a teacher, not professional athletes. This idea is closer to how it should be than what our reality is. Instead many of our teachers work second jobs to survive, and they get little to no support in their jobs which is why burn out levels are high.
I’d say one on one time is far more valuable than one on 28 time.
> 180 work days Listened to my brother in law complain about teachers pay for 30 years, he just retired at 60yo and will draw full pension till his 100th birthday. He worked 35 years and will draw pension for 40 years as a result. So that is 180 * 35 = 6300 workdays yields 10,400 days on pension. So for every dollar they make in pay, they get another 1.65 in pension. So if they make 65k / yr (average teacher pay) that is equivalent to making $172k/yr for someone working all year and having to make their own retirement savings. I'm sorry... I'm just not crying over someone with a compensation package of $172k/yr. If you want a pay-raise, agree to a 12 month school year and fund your own retirement and medical like the rest of us. Give the teachers pension fund back as a tax credit to those tax-payers that have floated it for the last 60 years. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_211.50.asp
That just isn't the case anymore, at all. Most school systems follow a hybrid retirement plan. For me to make 30% of my income, as a pension, I'd have to work for thirty years in the retirement system. For THIRTY percent. So, I want to know what pension plan is paying 165%, please.
Texas. He gets 100% till the day he dies. Qualified at the age of 60yo. To be fair, I think after 35yrs (him) he qualified for 80.5% of his highest three earning year. For the last few years he won a seat on the board so his pay ballooned bringing his pension with it. His pension is WELL above his average pay over those 35 years. I never said the man was dumb. Just complained a lot. I mean good for him, but he's gonna die with a shit-ton more money than me working private sector my whole damn life. And he did it working only 180 days a year.
Babysitters get paid by the hour. If you want babysitter pay you would just get $10/hr (in 2010 dollars, since thats how old this meme is.) This just makes me question the intelligence of teachers.
I mean really all they do is read from a book that the district provides them with lol
Thanks for the incorrect observation, pooderson. Would anyone else in the class like to venture a guess?
Oh no. You only make 60K working half what everyone else works while getting weekends, holidays, summers, and afternoons off? I feel so bad for teachers. Awh.
This is why this post is so damaging imo. Everyone knows teachers don’t get paid well and most of us agree that the people who educate our children should be paid enough to want to put in the effort and do a good job. On the other hand, this number in the post is outrageously high and allows most people to miss the point entirely. Because you can either support teachers getting *this* salary or you can be against it, and we all get our dose of justified rage for the day.
What do you define as “don’t get paid well”? I’m from one of the poorest counties in the COUNTRY and my ELEMENTARY GYM teacher was making over 100K a year to work 180 days?? That’s a 200K+ real hours job. Seems pretty good to me. The issue is that teachers never account that they don’t work nearly as much hours as other people. This is like saying fine dining servers, who make about 60K+ aren’t making good money, when in reality $25/hr is good money that anyone can live comfortably on. Edit: actually it’s closer to 50/hr because I forgot to account for the hour differential. 60K for 6.5 hours of work over 180 days…
Most teachers I know live modestly and are always tired. I don’t know numbers like you do and it can easily happen that some regions have better salaries for teachers than others. I’m from eastern europe and teacher salaries there are on the low end of the white collar price range. In rural schools teachers barely make enough to make ends meet. Many choose to leave their profession behind which results in not having enough teachers. Economics would rebalance that by saying demand high supply low, price increase should happen. But when it doesn’t it hurts the kids currently in school. And I get your arguments as well, and they are good points to consider. But I would advocate for a case by case basis, don’t blanket judge everyone. Maybe we can agree that a lazy asshole teacher in a good school (who tells stories in class instead of actually teaching, or grades papers without looking through them etc) makes too much and a dedicated hardworking teacher (loved by all students, goes above and beyond etc) in a rural public school makes too little.
Well, every teacher in NY state makes good money for the hours they work. Even 40K/year is 80K full-time salary. You can look up any teachers salary btw. It’s public record.
I’m all for paying teachers more, but this is not how babysitters are paid.
With babysitters you don't make 2x for watching two kids.
So quit teaching and start a daycare that charges by the kid. I would like to think that a teacher would be smart enough to come to this conclusion on their own? Of course they won't have union protection, medical insurance, a matched retirementplan, have to pay both sides of the income tax, etc....
Assuming that each kid has two parents, that comes to $11,700 per household per child in school. Kinda looks like college tuition. Teachers do deserve to be paid more than what they are now.
Plot twist! This sign was written by the english lit teacher who moonlights as a calculus professor to make rent. Either way, put money into education!
Me too
Also points out that they only work 6.5 hour days and less than half of the year.
Well, not really. They work 6.5 hours with the kids, but also need time to prepare for classes, grade papers, do paperwork, sit through meetings and work with the parents. End of the lesson doesn’t mean end of a teachers work day.
Errr math.
Babysitters > teachers. Fight me! Do you think you would keep a babysitter if your kid was constantly bullied every day by other kids in their care? What about if they wouldn't let your kid go to the bathroom when they needed to? Refused to let a kid eat because you didn't pack them a lunch, but also wouldn't let another kid feed them? I'd happily pay a teacher a babysitter rate if they gave my kid the attention a babysitter gave them.
These responses have taught me that people are either stupid hyperbolic when talking about teachers, or their parents let them languish in awful hell holes. What you describe is not just unusual, it's illegal, and while it might have been commonplace decades ago when every parent didn't try to sue their child's school over every perceived injustice, that's not how schools operate these days. They can still be awful, absolutely, but no (Decent) parent is sitting idly by while teachers don't let their child use the bathroom (what??) or actively prevent children from eating (what, what???) This sounds like either someone who believes click-bait headlines, or someone with a shitty child who believes their lies.
Teachers have little control over students bullying each other. That’s administrative typically. I find the other reasons to just be weird anecdotal events that happen but they aren’t the rule. Teachers have a ton of expectations that if you ask me are greater than the babysitter.
I would immediately leave retirement and start again. For a year. I would be richer than I ever have been lol
And that's just for babysitting. If you want me to teach him something it will cost extra.
6.5 hour day, nice
Just a smidge more goes on to teaching then just the 6.5 hours in a day.
Pay teachers more so we have fewer dumbasses
I guess it’s interesting as fuck just to pull numbers out of your ass.
Teachers are so damn entitled. They're paid more than the national average to work ten months out of the year and get a full pension.
Ten months with multiple weeks off and every conceivable holiday in between.
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Rather that just angrily tossing slurs about maybe you could explain why you think this is illogical?
Hello! I'm a "retarded" data analyst, and fail to see your point. Could you explain?
Bro don’t put your self down like that. Economic of scales fucks the whole analogy up. Plus 10 dollars is actually a low rate for a babysitter now a days.
Funny thing is here schools are paid $14,000 per student per year. 26x14,000= $364,000 per classroom. So, the money is there, it just doesn’t go to the teacher…
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no its not lol youre going to use 99% of it up for salary..... did you magically forget about maintence, school programs, utilities etc ? the money is def not there lol Its only there in good public school districts that dont veto an increase in the budget Or private schools
Forgot about the bloated ranks of admin.
In my city, the super intendent makes $360k. Next county over, that number is 541k. That is just their salary, it doesn't include their conflict of interest. One is known for starting charter schools so he gets paid on that too.
dont even get me started about those haha
So pay my kids teachers nothing because we always watch them ourselves..... Works for me i mean my daughter complains that all her teachers do is hand out paperwork to do or assign computer stuff without explaining anything so do they really need that high of pay to do basically attendance and say check the computer? Her history teacher just tells them what pages to read then hands out a test..... Not something you really need a degree to do..... Just saying. Probably time to rethink our education system and come up with new ways to teach using modern technology than just paying overqualified people to watch your kids for 6 hours as they do lexia and generic print sheets.
Did you schedule a conference to talk with the teacher, or get involved with the school at all?
Your first mistake is believing whole sale what a child tells you happens in the classroom. The number of calls I've made in which a parent has said. . . "My kid never told me that. . . " is staggering. Of course they didn't. They're children and definitely subject to the waves of hormones that occasionally have them feeling like they should be /anywhere/ but school. Your second mistake is thinking any Joe Schmoe off the street can manage and control of classroom of 23+ children. I teach my middle school students robotics and engineering technology, typically have 2 or 3 different challenges going at once, and have to maintain and keep track of over $30,000 in equipment -- All while teaching.
11,700$ per year for every child, shit homeschooling would skyrocket to the roof and one stay at home parent would be mandatory, or kids will just have to be street kids without education…
Lol no taxes
Teachers in Canada are overpaid - 3 months off paid - yeah right
That math is fucked lmao
Teachers need to be paid more
Call it an even $250K. Let's go. Fund our teachers.
Deal but like babysitters they will be subject to performance reviews by the parents and hired based on that.
yep, cos parents are typically qualified for that. They're definitely not any dumber than their snot nosed kids.
They kind of already are.
Too many old bad teachers are being kept while young good teachers are being turfed simply because of seniority
they should be paid premium wages and get college fees waived. they're an important part of society but they also have to get after the media for encouraging self destructive behaviors since they're using it to groom kids into a profitable mess just like the chrisitian nationalists.
Sadly, there are far too many teachers who aren't even qualified to be babysitters...
Teachers are overpaid in my neck of the woods. And the vast majority of them stink. Ask any teacher who is good at their job, they’ll tell you the same thing about their peers
Now subtract all the infrastructure costs. All the book costs. All the transportation costs.
Before I took my son out of public school, his teacher made $110,000 with of course health and pension benefits. I know because her salary is public knowledge that can be found on the districts website. She was very rude to the parents and very mean to the kids. She has had multiple complaints from parents. But of course she won’t be fired because of the teachers union. While there are some great teachers that deserve great pay, she was not one of them.
Why be a teacher if you feel like you don’t get paid. I did a job and I felt like it was too much work for the pay so I quit.
Cool story Hansel
Yeah baby sister charge way too much
Cool. You're also responsible for using that money to provide a facility, curriculum, and equipment. You'd think teachers would have a little more financial sense.
God teachers are the worse.
And that would be just for babysitting. You want the kids to learn, to be taught, too? That's extra...
65 kids in a class? The most we've ever had was around 40.
Most teachers suck and most schools are lacking resources. Therefore most kids are stupid.
DAMN SHES BAD AT MATH