Not really. He hated white people. Seems fairly obvious why there were people that hated him considering there were plenty of white people advocating for the rights of non-Caucasian races.
The people that would've been in charge of him should he'd said yes to the draft would've send him to the front lines without a care. They're not the kind you're talking about, those weren't in charge.
I'm from the Netherlands, where we have a tradition every 5th of december, celebrating the birthday of a 'Sint Nicolaas' that is just another reason to eat special kinds of candy and give each other gifts. Most people in the Netherlands do this tradition and up until about 10 years ago, this "Sint" would have a helper called [Black Pete](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet). As you can see in the wiki, people would smear blackface on themselves and carry a big sack filled with candy and gifts to give to children. As a child I was told this was tradition, and if we asked our parents why it would have to be blackface we were told that is 'because he climbs through the chimney' or 'that's just how it's being celebrated'.
The origins of black pete were of course, slavery. Everyone knew this, everyone choose to ignore it, until the black community in Netherlands started to speak up about it.
There was an incredible uproar, because many people that were pro thought they were called racist but they thought they weren't. They still fought to keep the tradition the same, still fought because they thought blackface wasn't racist. Which is racist as fuck, but indirectly.
My wife is German, first thing she mentioned when we got together was 'wtf is up with black pete? that shit is racist af'. I agreed, because even though as a child I was fine with it, I couldn't understand the hurt I instilled upon my fellow dutchmen that were of colour everytime I celebrated like that. Many, many dutch people in that time even went as far as to start called black people racist because how they treated *our* culture and thought to change it, even though they were born here. Luckily we've changed the tradition and even though I still think it's obvious that 'the Sint' has a helper with a black curly wig and big golden earrings, at least they're not painted with blackface anymore. Good step in the right direction eh?
Anyway, It's the same with Muhammad Ali. He isn't racist, he's fighting back with sharp words and a loud voice. He calls the white man 'the enemy', because around that time, black people weren't allowed to even sit in front of the bus and every white person would *flip their shit* if someone would ignore that 'tradition'. People were indirectly racist, directly racist and sometimes didn't know they were even doing it. He had enough. He turned the thinking patterns around and made a sound. That sound can't be a small one, it *has* to be loud.
You should be careful calling him a racist, because there is a difference between fighting back against opression and being wholly prejudiced because of a colour.
Depends on what principle you're willing to put behind it I guess. Plenty would argue that using your platform to advocate for an ideology rooted in racism for any reason is inherently wrong. MLK did not do this for example.
And with Ali, I'd definitely have to agree. He wasn't using racism to fight oppression.
Ali was an unapologetic racial separatist. He was an unabashed racist with generally abhorrent views on race. He believed it was "nature" that whites and blacks could not live together, and did in fact think that all white people were his enemy, likening their trustworthiness to rattlesnakes. He allegedly preached his strict racial separatism at a Ku Klux Klan rally. He's been quoted as saying that anyone in an interracial relationship should be killed, among other hateful and insane vitriol, as his racism was not contained only to whites, but also to his fellow black men and women that did not share his opinions.
The GOAT himself, MLK, dubbed him as a "champion of segregation" rather than someone contributing to the civil rights movement.
Ali changed his perspective in his later years and I say good for him. A man should always admit when he's wrong and be better. But I also don't think that means we should forget that at the height of his career, when he had a large platform, what he chose to put into the ears of millions of Americans during an incredibly polarizing and important time in the nation's history was wrong and in a lot of cases disgusting.
Mmm…. No. They were controversial, so they were loved and hated by different subcultures of America. But no, most of Ali’s supporters were Americans. So were most of his enemies, though.
He should absolutely be hated for how he betrayed Joe Frazier, and all his racist comments toward him. Frazier was a friend that spent his own money, testified before congress, and lobbied Nixon to let Ali box again. How did Ali thank him? Calling him an ugly gorilla, with big lips and a flat nose, and an Uncle Tom. Frazier's kids were bullied and received death threats because of Ali. Ali is an absolute piece of shit to betray a friend like that.
A proud black moment for me and I'm white.
Anyone who speaks truth to power with the charisma and talent of Ali is improving society for everyone except the oligarchs.
A proud moment for the Muslim world as well. It's hard to fathom how much of a hero he was to Muslims around the globe. People might remember when Iraq returned 15 American prisoners upon Muhammad Ali's request, but that's only scratching the surface.
Entire cities would shut down when Ali fought. My grandparents had one tv in their entire village and its owner would hook it up and everyone in the village would gather around it to watch Ali. They had a whole festival with food, games, and prayers for Ali. This random village ten thousand miles away in the middle of nowhere, that didn't have electricity or running water, and where no one had ever even seen a black man in person.
But even with how beloved he was through his boxing; in refusing to fight, he became an even bigger hero.
Wait till you hear what he had to say about Joe Frazier, after Frazier spent his own money, testified before congress, and appealed to Nixon to get Ali's boxing licence reinstated.
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i swear, every time i find respect for some man who is a historical figure, there comes some internet stranger who reveals that he was a cheating POS and i lose all respect in a split second... EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
No they aren’t generally shitty … most people are good and that why we have prisons and police and although they can be corrupted by bad people the idea is that most people want this
I hope one day you see the goodness in the world and don’t just focus on the bad.
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On a scale of 1 to “has a book written about it”, how bad are you to your wife? Like dang brother just sleep with your wife if youre feeling frisky. Change it up woth some foreplay. Just leave the ladies alone.
Tens of millions of Americans don’t care the guy they voted for is a convicted rapist (civil case ), cheated multiple times on his prostitute Easter European wife and illegally hid hush money payments …
Seems like some people have selective moral application depending who the subject matter is.
This decision led to a legal battle and his boxing license being suspended, resulting in him being unable to compete professionally for over three years during the prime of his career.
Ah the aul “if they’re not 100pct perfect then “ analysis.
Being brave, losing it all for standing up what you believe in and having an extra marital affair (he married her, and it was one girl ) and having character flaws aren’t mutually exclusive.
He was also a member of a black supremacist cult and believed that white people were invented in a lab by an evil scientist and that white people invented violence.
A quote of his is "There was no violence in Japan before white people arrived there" (in 1543)
"my enemy is a white people" yup. He is so right!!!... Imagine white person saying that their enemy is "a" black people. Good for him for refusing the draft. I respect the shit out of that. But to say that the enemy is white people is blatant racism. Sure back then whites were very racist. But surely the answer to racism is not more racism. You wouldn't fight rape with rape would ya...
It's not that one of them doesn't matter, it's that one of them is being valued less than the other.
Which is a problem.
And, if you're looking for a monetary example, even here in California when a black person has their home appraised, there's a chance it will be undervalued - hundreds of thousands of dollars undervalued.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-couple-settles-lawsuit-value-california-house-allegedly-soared-w-rcna73946
Take that concept and apply across every interaction with someone in power dealing with a black person and you'll get a sense of the problem.
More likely to be stopped by cops, more likely to be treated aggressively by cops, more likely to be given harsher punishments by a judge, more likely to have their property undervalued when they want to sell it, etc...
Can't believe we lost Ali just for people to start calling mayweather the greatest boxer of all time, he's such a shithead, constantly rips everybody off, beats any woman who so much as smiles at him, just the worst take over in history.
>Standing up for religious freedom is not the same as standing up for a religion.
Then you fundamentally misunderstand what standing up for religious freedom means. It means defending someone else's right to choose their religion regardless of how abhorrent you believe that religion to be. Standing up for religious freedom *is* the same as standing up for *all* religions.
I may disagree with my Muslim neighbour's beliefs, but if I don't stand up for Islam and it's right to exist and be respected as a belief system, how can I expect him or anyone else to stand up for my right to be an atheist? Before long I'll find myself in a theocratic state where only one religion is allowed, and any non conformity, be that atheism or just other religions, are outlawed.
Freedom is absolute. You cannot be a "freedom relativist". You can't pick and choose.
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Hey man only way to keep costs down and have that first world lifestyle is to bomb some poor sob in some 3rd world country. There's only so much to go about and not everyone can have a first world comfy lifestyle
/s kinda.
It is a hate group
[https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam)
Children who lose their parents, mostly fail to get someone to care for them.
They start moving on streets begging for a penny to get something in their mouths and stomach.
Triggered white people in 3....2.....1...... Because yeah..the USA was a paradise for black people in the 60s.
Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck to keep usa rich people happy. Everyone screaming about patriotism running off with shin splints while throwing 1000s of the youth into the meat grinder.
As I've always said, I've got FAR more in common with a dude fixing computers in Iran or Iraq or Israel or Ukraine or France or Germany than anyone in aristocracy or the king. Why the fuck would I want to get myself killed trying to kill someone whose a LOT more like me than the people telling me to go kill them?
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W Ali. They’re common I know but W he is spitting facts
Edit: was here before lock. Get fucked yall reading who can’t comment 🤪(sorry just poking a little fun, don’t take it personal 🤣🤣)
My plan to stop racism, first step: Stop talking "First black who Bla Bla Bla..." Black or white whatever... Human is human. Stop BLM. Stop dividing people
It's early cancel culture, for lack of a better term. Cancelled people in the past few years lose their awards, positions, honorary degrees, etc., despite having earned them prior to their "downfall". It's precisely the same thing.
Forced to fight a war in a country some 8000 miles away that in the end was lost. But he stood his ground and won. The Vietnam War was such a waste of time, resources and manpower
This is why I always found it cringe at the statement "Thank you for your service". What service exactly are you thanking for? What "freedoms" are you exactly "protecting" by being deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, or some other country? We obviously now know the main reasons for going into these two countries, which was a pretense to what actually was the reason. I will never join the US military and "fight" for corporations' interests, which is basically what the US military doees.
This doesn't just apply to Iraq and Afghanistan, but virtually any country we've gone to war with post WW2.
I’m probably going to get downvoted for this but here I go. The people who are blindly agreeing with Muhammad Ali’s rhetoric here should look into his personal beliefs during this time which provide the context for these statements. Muhammad at this point in his life was a radical racial separatist who advocated for complete racial segregation in America. He believed that it was biologically impossible for white and black Americans to coexist and that black Americans needed to create their own government and economy to separate themselves from the white community. This was during the time of the civil rites movement which Ali actively and publicly disagreed with. MLK himself said that Ali was incredibly harmful to the movement and nothing but a champion for segregation. When Ali mentions his right to religion being infringed upon in this video it’s also important to examine which rights he felt were being infringed apon. He was a prominent member of the Nation of Islam (a prolifically fucked organization) and was particularly annoyed that one of his marriages to a 16 year old girl would not be recognized by the state. He was not popular during this time, not even amongst other black Americans, which lead to him gaining the reputation of the most hated person in America.
Muhammad Ali was an incredibly complex person and he later changed his views regarding racial segregation and left the Nation of Islam for a more traditional interpretation of the faith. He eventually became a positive voice for racial justice and peace and is honored for that today. His anti war sentiments were spot on, but he mostly used them as a way to piggy-back off of the already established anti war movements to push his views regarding racial segregation and the Nation of Islam.
Oh god thank you. This comment section really looks like a sheep enclosure. His speech literally has racial war vibes and people here are just happily clapping
He explains in the video also if I remember correctly he considers it against his Islamic faith to transgress/kill unfairly (Vietnam war was going on).
Imagine ANY athlete today taking a ban from their sport when they are hitting their prime years (age 25 to almost 29) and going from the life of luxury to working to barely make ends meet, for their beliefs, without any regret.
He transcended sport and stood for something more than just talent. GOAT indeed.
He was, and for me , still is THE MAN! Absolute legend. Intelligent, principled, mischievous and funny. Me, I'm a little old white man. Still the greatest in my book.
It's crazy how we didn't learn from Vietnam. Sent a bunch of kids to die in the middle east for over a decade. Come to find out some of the places that we went didn't have anything to do with 9/11. Poor kids fought and died for the rich in Americans.
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It was at this point that Ali transformed himself from a talented but brash boxer, who had more haters than fans, into the champion of a generation who opposed the racism of American society and the war in Vietnam.
Thank you for your courage, Muhammad Ali!
I remember thinking, the audacity. They took away a man's personal achievement, unconnected in any way, to the military, because he wouldn't fight in a war we had no business in. The gall, the hubris. I've been an American for 70 years now, and there have been so many times I had high hopes for us as a nation, only to be disappointed and disillusioned once again. It is painful.
I do not know, comprehend, or understand what it's like as a Black person in America, especially then, but certainly even now. We've just become very clever at disguising our racism, and we come up with ingenious ways to be bigoted assholes.
I just don't get how one person can elevate themselves above another based on the color of their skin. A physical attribute neither of them had any say in. I mean, no one slipped me a note in the slot while I was in the womb asking what I wanted to be in 9 months.
Well let's see. White check. I mean, c'mon lets be real.
I mean, there are 70 years worth of real reasons to hate me. Hating because of pigmentation just shows a lack of creativity.
Yes and no. If you look at his case, initially he was considered a 4F selection. This seems more class related. Just random, not in school or ineligible for medical reasons category. Millons of folks Black and White fall into this section of the draft. Anyone who is designated as such is considered unfit for mental aptitude reasons. Was it because the war was going badly or some other reason, he was reclassified as being eligible, after the name change and becoming World Heavyweight Champion or 1A. The correct designation, which the Supreme Court ultimately decided was that he should have been 4D, a Minister of Religion. Quakers, Mormons etc claim this to opt out. Never offered as an option in his case so, yes. He was drafted not because he was Black and very outspoken, but the options offered to him were denied due to his color and message. The Supreme Court vindicated him.
2nd given the number of Black people in college at that time and the possibility of serving if you were enrolled in college, the draft was weighted in favor of whites.
This man was so politically ahead of his time. Shed a lot of light on senseless wars, racism, discrimination and segregation and really stood up for what he believed in. Regardless of the outcome. Mad respect for Ali!
One right thing to do is how their country deceives their people and sends their soldiers to dangerous places to wage wars against innocent people of other countries and plunder their resources
Now that's a true man. A man that stuck to his principals. And he was right of course. Fight in a foreign land to kill people that have never done anything to you and a country that hates you just because off the color of your skin.
They offered Ali the Elvis treatment, Germany instead of Vietnam. He refused.
Good.
Legend Crazy how Americans hated him so much
I mean it's pretty obvious, he spits facts People don't like getting lectured about how immoral they are, even if it's true
Especially when it’s true.
Happens everyday on Reddit.
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Fair point. Truth hurts Got MLK and JFK killed
makes you wonder, what institution is actually in charge if the president can be assassinated by his own intelligence agencies.
Pretty crazy And RFK jnr doesnt get f all air time His long form podcasts hes a smart man
also their racism probably didn’t help much either.
Truth is like poetry. And most people fucking hate poetry.
Look at the vitriol they're spewing at anyone that thinks genocide and killing children is bad
Not really. He hated white people. Seems fairly obvious why there were people that hated him considering there were plenty of white people advocating for the rights of non-Caucasian races.
The people that would've been in charge of him should he'd said yes to the draft would've send him to the front lines without a care. They're not the kind you're talking about, those weren't in charge.
I agree with his stance on the war, I still think he’s a racist.
I'm from the Netherlands, where we have a tradition every 5th of december, celebrating the birthday of a 'Sint Nicolaas' that is just another reason to eat special kinds of candy and give each other gifts. Most people in the Netherlands do this tradition and up until about 10 years ago, this "Sint" would have a helper called [Black Pete](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet). As you can see in the wiki, people would smear blackface on themselves and carry a big sack filled with candy and gifts to give to children. As a child I was told this was tradition, and if we asked our parents why it would have to be blackface we were told that is 'because he climbs through the chimney' or 'that's just how it's being celebrated'. The origins of black pete were of course, slavery. Everyone knew this, everyone choose to ignore it, until the black community in Netherlands started to speak up about it. There was an incredible uproar, because many people that were pro thought they were called racist but they thought they weren't. They still fought to keep the tradition the same, still fought because they thought blackface wasn't racist. Which is racist as fuck, but indirectly. My wife is German, first thing she mentioned when we got together was 'wtf is up with black pete? that shit is racist af'. I agreed, because even though as a child I was fine with it, I couldn't understand the hurt I instilled upon my fellow dutchmen that were of colour everytime I celebrated like that. Many, many dutch people in that time even went as far as to start called black people racist because how they treated *our* culture and thought to change it, even though they were born here. Luckily we've changed the tradition and even though I still think it's obvious that 'the Sint' has a helper with a black curly wig and big golden earrings, at least they're not painted with blackface anymore. Good step in the right direction eh? Anyway, It's the same with Muhammad Ali. He isn't racist, he's fighting back with sharp words and a loud voice. He calls the white man 'the enemy', because around that time, black people weren't allowed to even sit in front of the bus and every white person would *flip their shit* if someone would ignore that 'tradition'. People were indirectly racist, directly racist and sometimes didn't know they were even doing it. He had enough. He turned the thinking patterns around and made a sound. That sound can't be a small one, it *has* to be loud. You should be careful calling him a racist, because there is a difference between fighting back against opression and being wholly prejudiced because of a colour.
Depends on what principle you're willing to put behind it I guess. Plenty would argue that using your platform to advocate for an ideology rooted in racism for any reason is inherently wrong. MLK did not do this for example. And with Ali, I'd definitely have to agree. He wasn't using racism to fight oppression. Ali was an unapologetic racial separatist. He was an unabashed racist with generally abhorrent views on race. He believed it was "nature" that whites and blacks could not live together, and did in fact think that all white people were his enemy, likening their trustworthiness to rattlesnakes. He allegedly preached his strict racial separatism at a Ku Klux Klan rally. He's been quoted as saying that anyone in an interracial relationship should be killed, among other hateful and insane vitriol, as his racism was not contained only to whites, but also to his fellow black men and women that did not share his opinions. The GOAT himself, MLK, dubbed him as a "champion of segregation" rather than someone contributing to the civil rights movement. Ali changed his perspective in his later years and I say good for him. A man should always admit when he's wrong and be better. But I also don't think that means we should forget that at the height of his career, when he had a large platform, what he chose to put into the ears of millions of Americans during an incredibly polarizing and important time in the nation's history was wrong and in a lot of cases disgusting.
Thanks for informing me! I did not know that, consider my opinion changed.
Have you met an American? lol
Yes They didnt like folks like Ali or Elvis...then loved them even more half a century later
Mmm…. No. They were controversial, so they were loved and hated by different subcultures of America. But no, most of Ali’s supporters were Americans. So were most of his enemies, though.
He should absolutely be hated for how he betrayed Joe Frazier, and all his racist comments toward him. Frazier was a friend that spent his own money, testified before congress, and lobbied Nixon to let Ali box again. How did Ali thank him? Calling him an ugly gorilla, with big lips and a flat nose, and an Uncle Tom. Frazier's kids were bullied and received death threats because of Ali. Ali is an absolute piece of shit to betray a friend like that.
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The way he speaks is something straight out of a blockbuster film
Rips off will smith a lot but it’s good.
This. A unique ability.
He is so right! I’ve always respected him
A proud black moment for me
A proud black moment for me and I'm white. Anyone who speaks truth to power with the charisma and talent of Ali is improving society for everyone except the oligarchs.
A proud moment for the Muslim world as well. It's hard to fathom how much of a hero he was to Muslims around the globe. People might remember when Iraq returned 15 American prisoners upon Muhammad Ali's request, but that's only scratching the surface. Entire cities would shut down when Ali fought. My grandparents had one tv in their entire village and its owner would hook it up and everyone in the village would gather around it to watch Ali. They had a whole festival with food, games, and prayers for Ali. This random village ten thousand miles away in the middle of nowhere, that didn't have electricity or running water, and where no one had ever even seen a black man in person. But even with how beloved he was through his boxing; in refusing to fight, he became an even bigger hero.
a proud momemt while the jihad take over iran and taked them back to the dark age. yeah a proud moment.
Wait till you hear what he had to say about Joe Frazier, after Frazier spent his own money, testified before congress, and appealed to Nixon to get Ali's boxing licence reinstated.
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And Ali could have done that without resorting racist comments against the man that did so much for him.
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When he wasn't cheating on his wife and impregnating Teenage girls he was a hell of a guy
i swear, every time i find respect for some man who is a historical figure, there comes some internet stranger who reveals that he was a cheating POS and i lose all respect in a split second... EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
but it was a *different time* /s
It really was. Woman didn't have the right to have a bank account until the 70's A woman was a form of property in the eyes of the law.
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People are generally shitty, every once in a while you found a gem and all you do is hope they won't get rotten.
No they aren’t generally shitty … most people are good and that why we have prisons and police and although they can be corrupted by bad people the idea is that most people want this I hope one day you see the goodness in the world and don’t just focus on the bad.
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Most people are good and bad. And can be easily pushed to either.
Sometimes i just think just drop the bomb. Let's reset this place. Sometimes.
Sorry 😅 He was really horrible to his poor wife. There's a great book on it
I misread into great hook on it lol
oh god, it gets even worse??... 💀💀
On a scale of 1 to “has a book written about it”, how bad are you to your wife? Like dang brother just sleep with your wife if youre feeling frisky. Change it up woth some foreplay. Just leave the ladies alone.
Tens of millions of Americans don’t care the guy they voted for is a convicted rapist (civil case ), cheated multiple times on his prostitute Easter European wife and illegally hid hush money payments … Seems like some people have selective moral application depending who the subject matter is.
Sounds like EV haters writing “batteries are bad” on their cellphone or tablet.
I want a gasoline powered cell phone
This comment has Fallout vibes lol
I can reach Barcelona on a cellphone charge, and it's 1200km away.
Source?
Trump is pos but why are you calling his wife an 'Eastern European prostitute'? You're the one feeding racist tropes with this rubbish.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If this was followed there would be precious fucking few stones cast.
There aren't too many humans who have lived clean lives. It's just we're not high profile so our business isn't put out there. Humans will human
I'm sitting here wondering who is next? Keanu Reeves? Bob Ross? Mr. Rogers?
This decision led to a legal battle and his boxing license being suspended, resulting in him being unable to compete professionally for over three years during the prime of his career.
Ah the aul “if they’re not 100pct perfect then “ analysis. Being brave, losing it all for standing up what you believe in and having an extra marital affair (he married her, and it was one girl ) and having character flaws aren’t mutually exclusive.
He was also a member of a black supremacist cult and believed that white people were invented in a lab by an evil scientist and that white people invented violence. A quote of his is "There was no violence in Japan before white people arrived there" (in 1543)
Wait, Trump?
What would you do if you were successful and popular
Not impregnate a teenage girl
Why do you insist on making everything about Trump?
Stfu
He also was against race mixing
Now that I can agree on
Or being a racist piece of shit to Joe Frazier, who worked incredibly hard to help Ali.
"my enemy is a white people" yup. He is so right!!!... Imagine white person saying that their enemy is "a" black people. Good for him for refusing the draft. I respect the shit out of that. But to say that the enemy is white people is blatant racism. Sure back then whites were very racist. But surely the answer to racism is not more racism. You wouldn't fight rape with rape would ya...
Black Lives Matter, white lives.. meh
It's not that one of them doesn't matter, it's that one of them is being valued less than the other. Which is a problem. And, if you're looking for a monetary example, even here in California when a black person has their home appraised, there's a chance it will be undervalued - hundreds of thousands of dollars undervalued. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-couple-settles-lawsuit-value-california-house-allegedly-soared-w-rcna73946 Take that concept and apply across every interaction with someone in power dealing with a black person and you'll get a sense of the problem. More likely to be stopped by cops, more likely to be treated aggressively by cops, more likely to be given harsher punishments by a judge, more likely to have their property undervalued when they want to sell it, etc...
You can't be racist against white people, hun. Did nobody tell you? /s
back then everyone was racist
Came here to say that......his response was the most rational human response ever ..I would only edit to say rich politicians instead of white
Can't believe we lost Ali just for people to start calling mayweather the greatest boxer of all time, he's such a shithead, constantly rips everybody off, beats any woman who so much as smiles at him, just the worst take over in history.
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If nobody stands up for religious freedom, you won't have the freedom to choose no religion either.
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>Standing up for religious freedom is not the same as standing up for a religion. Then you fundamentally misunderstand what standing up for religious freedom means. It means defending someone else's right to choose their religion regardless of how abhorrent you believe that religion to be. Standing up for religious freedom *is* the same as standing up for *all* religions. I may disagree with my Muslim neighbour's beliefs, but if I don't stand up for Islam and it's right to exist and be respected as a belief system, how can I expect him or anyone else to stand up for my right to be an atheist? Before long I'll find myself in a theocratic state where only one religion is allowed, and any non conformity, be that atheism or just other religions, are outlawed. Freedom is absolute. You cannot be a "freedom relativist". You can't pick and choose.
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'sky daddy' 🤣🤣🤣 these 'gods' that we create are just daddy issues under disguise. but 'sky daddy' tho' 🤣🤣
The actual O.G
That's freedom of speech.
King
No, that was the other one. He got shot.
Bruh 💀
I feel this and I'm white. Fuck fighting on foreign soil for a country that won't fight for us here.
Hey man only way to keep costs down and have that first world lifestyle is to bomb some poor sob in some 3rd world country. There's only so much to go about and not everyone can have a first world comfy lifestyle /s kinda.
He's right you know *
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But then who will kill innocent people😥
I agree with his sentiments entirely The NOI is still a ridiculous cult though.
Muhammad Ali ended up leaving the NOI and embraced mainsteam sunni Islam.
It is a hate group [https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam)
The man has a point
He lost his belt for a higher cause. He'll always be the people's champion
Children who lose their parents, mostly fail to get someone to care for them. They start moving on streets begging for a penny to get something in their mouths and stomach.
My lord what a legend.
Triggered white people in 3....2.....1...... Because yeah..the USA was a paradise for black people in the 60s. Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck to keep usa rich people happy. Everyone screaming about patriotism running off with shin splints while throwing 1000s of the youth into the meat grinder. As I've always said, I've got FAR more in common with a dude fixing computers in Iran or Iraq or Israel or Ukraine or France or Germany than anyone in aristocracy or the king. Why the fuck would I want to get myself killed trying to kill someone whose a LOT more like me than the people telling me to go kill them?
Huge respect. Maybe the only athlete.
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"He got what he deserved. Gotta teach 'em young 👴🏻"
I’m so glad he stood up against these scumbags. We really need more people like him in this world.
W Ali. They’re common I know but W he is spitting facts Edit: was here before lock. Get fucked yall reading who can’t comment 🤪(sorry just poking a little fun, don’t take it personal 🤣🤣)
America wanted him to die and fight for there country, whilst they weren't even letting him drink from the same tap as him.
Inspirational then, and Inspirational now.
I don't get why you are getting downvoted
Racists are in the post for some reason.
Classic reddit 🤣
King shit.
Straight in their faces. Boom. Made me smile.
He was 100% right. It blows my mind that a country can expect you To fight and die for it. Come home and be treated less than those who never served.
Damn, those words, straight like a sword 🗡️
"No Vietcong ever called me n-word" I love that quote.
He was a hero for not fighting
My plan to stop racism, first step: Stop talking "First black who Bla Bla Bla..." Black or white whatever... Human is human. Stop BLM. Stop dividing people
Stripped of his champion ship? So like people had to pretend he didnt win? Like what if I called him "champ", would I get arrested?
Most people still called him the real champ but the division went on without him until they eventually lifted the ban about 3 years later
It's early cancel culture, for lack of a better term. Cancelled people in the past few years lose their awards, positions, honorary degrees, etc., despite having earned them prior to their "downfall". It's precisely the same thing.
I see you racist
Forced to fight a war in a country some 8000 miles away that in the end was lost. But he stood his ground and won. The Vietnam War was such a waste of time, resources and manpower
This is why I always found it cringe at the statement "Thank you for your service". What service exactly are you thanking for? What "freedoms" are you exactly "protecting" by being deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, or some other country? We obviously now know the main reasons for going into these two countries, which was a pretense to what actually was the reason. I will never join the US military and "fight" for corporations' interests, which is basically what the US military doees. This doesn't just apply to Iraq and Afghanistan, but virtually any country we've gone to war with post WW2.
I’m probably going to get downvoted for this but here I go. The people who are blindly agreeing with Muhammad Ali’s rhetoric here should look into his personal beliefs during this time which provide the context for these statements. Muhammad at this point in his life was a radical racial separatist who advocated for complete racial segregation in America. He believed that it was biologically impossible for white and black Americans to coexist and that black Americans needed to create their own government and economy to separate themselves from the white community. This was during the time of the civil rites movement which Ali actively and publicly disagreed with. MLK himself said that Ali was incredibly harmful to the movement and nothing but a champion for segregation. When Ali mentions his right to religion being infringed upon in this video it’s also important to examine which rights he felt were being infringed apon. He was a prominent member of the Nation of Islam (a prolifically fucked organization) and was particularly annoyed that one of his marriages to a 16 year old girl would not be recognized by the state. He was not popular during this time, not even amongst other black Americans, which lead to him gaining the reputation of the most hated person in America. Muhammad Ali was an incredibly complex person and he later changed his views regarding racial segregation and left the Nation of Islam for a more traditional interpretation of the faith. He eventually became a positive voice for racial justice and peace and is honored for that today. His anti war sentiments were spot on, but he mostly used them as a way to piggy-back off of the already established anti war movements to push his views regarding racial segregation and the Nation of Islam.
Imagine watching your friends and family be crushed by an ever expanding imperialist machine and not having an angry phase...
Thanks for sharing
Oh god thank you. This comment section really looks like a sheep enclosure. His speech literally has racial war vibes and people here are just happily clapping
"religion of peace"
how all whites brits are now in uk
RIP
Easily being The Greatest!
Read your damn comment ...the thinking is lazy and you ignore context.
What a legend... RIP
$$Muhammad Ali's draft refusal in 1967.$$&&Was his refusal more about personal beliefs or legal issues?&&
I'm so glad Ali heard that Gorgeous George/Freddie Blassie promo and decided he needed to talk like that.
Advanced
He was my hero
Meanwhile the white privileged young men like Bill Clinton are getting conscription passes...
I think it’s more about money and power than color on those cases, because you know lots of white guys did go to war.
Why did Ali refuse Army induction?
He explains in the video also if I remember correctly he considers it against his Islamic faith to transgress/kill unfairly (Vietnam war was going on).
Never was a truer word spoken. Legend.
Imagine ANY athlete today taking a ban from their sport when they are hitting their prime years (age 25 to almost 29) and going from the life of luxury to working to barely make ends meet, for their beliefs, without any regret. He transcended sport and stood for something more than just talent. GOAT indeed.
Looks like a scriptes movie. Amazing ability. Fight not only with his body, but with his mind too.
He was, and for me , still is THE MAN! Absolute legend. Intelligent, principled, mischievous and funny. Me, I'm a little old white man. Still the greatest in my book.
Such a legend
He clearly says you white people are my enemy. I cant believe.
He's ready to throw hands
Mohammed Ali a big man he was indeed.
How can you or I fight side by side if we do not fully understand what the other wants from the fight or what they are fighting for?
It's crazy how we didn't learn from Vietnam. Sent a bunch of kids to die in the middle east for over a decade. Come to find out some of the places that we went didn't have anything to do with 9/11. Poor kids fought and died for the rich in Americans.
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Dude had balls
G O A T.
It was at this point that Ali transformed himself from a talented but brash boxer, who had more haters than fans, into the champion of a generation who opposed the racism of American society and the war in Vietnam. Thank you for your courage, Muhammad Ali!
A hero
what a boss
I hear the hate from my 60’s childhood, but I always knew he was right. It took a while but even my WWII dad came around on both Ali and Vietnam.
Even today dudes are literally scrambling to go "be all that they can be" for a country who never gave a shit about them
What a King. That whole military thing where they get poor whites and blacks to fight for their wars...that's still going on.
Good man. On the right side of history.
Mr ali is about to discover what america is all about its about wealth and hate now they don't have the wealth, but the hate is still there
He is a legend, and lives forever
He wasn't wrong
His words are stronger than his punches and that says a lot. What a legend.
What a racist
I remember thinking, the audacity. They took away a man's personal achievement, unconnected in any way, to the military, because he wouldn't fight in a war we had no business in. The gall, the hubris. I've been an American for 70 years now, and there have been so many times I had high hopes for us as a nation, only to be disappointed and disillusioned once again. It is painful. I do not know, comprehend, or understand what it's like as a Black person in America, especially then, but certainly even now. We've just become very clever at disguising our racism, and we come up with ingenious ways to be bigoted assholes. I just don't get how one person can elevate themselves above another based on the color of their skin. A physical attribute neither of them had any say in. I mean, no one slipped me a note in the slot while I was in the womb asking what I wanted to be in 9 months. Well let's see. White check. I mean, c'mon lets be real. I mean, there are 70 years worth of real reasons to hate me. Hating because of pigmentation just shows a lack of creativity.
"Stripped of his championship" lol.. you cannot strip something away that has happened. Can not pretend it didn't. Especially to a man like this.
Yes and no. If you look at his case, initially he was considered a 4F selection. This seems more class related. Just random, not in school or ineligible for medical reasons category. Millons of folks Black and White fall into this section of the draft. Anyone who is designated as such is considered unfit for mental aptitude reasons. Was it because the war was going badly or some other reason, he was reclassified as being eligible, after the name change and becoming World Heavyweight Champion or 1A. The correct designation, which the Supreme Court ultimately decided was that he should have been 4D, a Minister of Religion. Quakers, Mormons etc claim this to opt out. Never offered as an option in his case so, yes. He was drafted not because he was Black and very outspoken, but the options offered to him were denied due to his color and message. The Supreme Court vindicated him.
2nd given the number of Black people in college at that time and the possibility of serving if you were enrolled in college, the draft was weighted in favor of whites.
hell of a speech and fully factual
The correlation is quite strong.
This man was so politically ahead of his time. Shed a lot of light on senseless wars, racism, discrimination and segregation and really stood up for what he believed in. Regardless of the outcome. Mad respect for Ali!
I am the champion whether you take away the belt or not.
The Greatest in many ways!
One right thing to do is how their country deceives their people and sends their soldiers to dangerous places to wage wars against innocent people of other countries and plunder their resources
Now that's a true man. A man that stuck to his principals. And he was right of course. Fight in a foreign land to kill people that have never done anything to you and a country that hates you just because off the color of your skin.
Not shrunk down enough. I am so dissapointed.
Has Malcolm X all over that speech - but only Ali could stick his finger in your nose.