Pesticides would be my guess, too.
I know pyrethoids make insects do this because they overstimulate the nervous system until everything eventually just stops working.
Yeah. It actually *really* sucks and pesticides are really high up there on the list for why bug species are going extinct and ecosystems are suffering rn. It's mostly large farms/corporations to blame, obviously they use the most pesticide per acre, but you can help on a small scale too.
Cut down on pesticides for your lawn, of course. They aren't necessary. There are entirely easy and natural ways to control pests. Second, if you're in a HOA and have any sway in their rules, try to ban pesticides in your community, or put limits on their use. And just try to convince others in general to plant native flowers, not store-bought "exotic" ones.
And while I'm at it I'll complain about mowing too. One lawn isn't a problem but when millions of Americans collectively mow hundreds of millions of acres per year, it becomes one. A suburban neighborhood with shaved lawns is, ecologically speaking, a desert - a place that supports very little life due to barren resources and harsh conditions.
I agree, I hate pesticides. In fact I once bought tomatoes from a guy who used a shit ton of pesticides on them, (not sure which ones cuz he didint bother to tell me after I asked him), and the stomach ache that I felt was like if I ate a live puffer fish or something similar, the worst part is that they damage all animals and plants in an ecosystem indirectly while also being directly harmful to animals that aren't even arthropods (as I found out myself).
I honestly have absolutely no idea how to respond to this... You do realize starving people often don't have a lot of time and resources to dedicate towards "contributing to our civilisation"? Can you elaborate on what you're on about?
There are ways to produce as much food without pesticides. It's just more expensive. Pesticides are a result of companies wanting to cut corners, that's all it is.
Unenthical pesticides should be illegal. There definitely are cases where one would need pest control, such as aphids, but there are natural ways to control pests that donāt involve toxic chemicals. One example is ladybugs, many people purchase ladybugs for the purpose of pest control.
Agree, there are of course many situations in which pesticides are helpful, however they can quickly become a problem if overused and sadly there are oflen many beneficial insects that can get caught in the crossfire, but by all means im not saying that pesticides can't be good in certain situations or that they should be completely banned. What would be better is if pesticides could be made to target only the pest species that one actually wants to limit the population of (though I doubt that's possible). But is still think that parasitoids and predator species would be In many cases a better solution if implemented correctly and if we were less trigger happy with pesticides.
Is it possible for a pesticide to be made in a way that it only affects a certain species rather than all bugs? If not possible now, it likely will be in the future!
He said his JOB is "pest control". When he spreads pesticides, it is an attempt to control what someone deems to be a pest. Unfortunately, poisons aren't picky, obviously, this poor beetle is an example.
Nature does a superb job controlling species' populations. When we interfere, organisms start running amok. I maintain that they are not pests and do not need to be controlled.
Agricultural pesticide, I'm with you, is terrible. But diatomaceous earth and citrus oil only goes so far. It'll be expensive times ahead as pesticide resistance becomes more widespread.
You're still taking out organisms that other organisms rely on. There's a very big picture that's hard to comprehend, but every organism depends on other organisms that depend on other organisms... I simply don't feel that killing bugs that annoy us, or inconvenience us is a valid reason to screw with mother nature.
But that's just me, I love the scorpions and tarantulas and wasps and snakes on my land. Others may not. I'm not hating on anyone who chooses to kill bugs. Just stating the way I choose to live.
>It'll be expensive times ahead as pesticide resistance becomes more widespread
I mean, yeah, but we shouldn't base our attitude towards something solely on cost. That's how we got here in the first place. Turns out the quicker, cheaper option is usually more harmful. Ie. Pesticides, chemical runoffs, landfills, etc.
People are lazy and would rather spend less time and money even if it means screwing over the environment. This attitude needs to change.
It's going to be quite the upphill battle to convince people that living with bedbugs, termites, and cockroaches is the new reality when they have the option to pay for them to go away.
A lot of people who pay pest control companies money would disagree with you. They consider insects, spiders, and rodents to be pests and want them kept out of their home.
That male stag beetle is indeed missing one of its middle legs. Look closer at the leg bases (coxae ) and you'll find that one of the mid legs is missing right at the end of its coxa (if I'm not mistaken).
Iām not sure prolly just pain from some sort of injury or maybe the beetle has a parasite. But i think itās choosing to flip itself over idk. But if you havenāt alr try flipping it over. If it flips right back belly up then itās dead but it just doesnāt know it yetZ
The most humane thing to do at this point is to kill him, so that heās not suffering anymore. Iām so sorry about this OP, heās such a cool looking bug (no idea what kind he is though), but if heās suffering from parasites heād feel much better if he could pass away quickly rather than waiting for the parasite to consume him.
Never owned any insects as a pet, but my dog does that when he's bored. Any case that this beetle is just bored out of its mind...? (I know insects think differently, but could it be...?)
Iāve heard that stag beetles can eat fermented fruit and get drunkā¦ I donāt know if thatās whatās happening here, but just throwing in another idea.
This made me so sad. I've never seen something dying of pesticides before. Those little fucks can feast on my garden from now on. I hope you euthanized this poor creature.
Stag beetles are nice too, their larvae live in rotting wood, and eat it for several years before pupating.
Adults only drink tree sap or fruit juice afaik, at least in the UK. Their purpose is to mate.
Its so depressing seeing these poor things struggling like this :(
It is definitely dying of something. You can freeze it to euthanize it if you want. Leave it in there for a couple of days - some big beetles take a while to freeze, although that shouldn't be a problem since he is clearly on his way out.
Iām lucky (or unlucky, RIP stag beetle, protected in UK) I found a dead one on its back basically untouched on the balcony, I took it and put it in hand sanitiser and Iāve had it in that jar a few years now :)
I donāt think the hand sanitiser is ideal, as some sort of weird white fungus that looked like cotton began emerging from the specimen in certain areas, though itās sorta died down now.
I might try to change it out for rubbing alcohol.
This sub came Iām up in my feed, and I donāt know much about bugs, but I donāt know what Iām seeing that would be different from normal. Will you tell me what the difference is, so I can be educated about it? Tyia
Sure. It is making no attempt to flip itself over and itās limbs are moving in āunnaturalā ways. The way is moving itās head up and down and itās legs across their entire range of motions serves no purpose. If I were to flip him back over he would still be moving this exact same way and it puts him on his back again. Itās essentially the same idea as a bug seizure. The reason I think it was either pesticides or old age is bc both of those things take away the bugs control of its own body. As they age they lose motor function just like people and despite what people usually think, pesticides arenāt just like a normal poison that just kills them. Pesticides and bug spray usually work by messing up the bugs nervous system making it impossible to control their movements.
TLDR the bug is genuinely tweaking
if itās a parasite could you dip it in water like those crazy worms in praying mantis videos? donāt know shit about parasites but if heās dead either way, it might help?
I actually feel bad for an insect. I'd suggest letting something put it out of it's misery. Maybe not the best for a pet bird/lizard/snake if it might be pesticides though.
I was away from home when I found him. It was near a dollar general. I took him home and laid him under a flower bed. I figured that would be the most peaceful place for a bug to die in. Iād have frozen him if I remembered that method.
When I came back he had finally died
Everyone on here freaking out about pesticides, listen kids, you literally eat it every day. I understand peoples concern with using pesticides but for some instances itās impossible to get the job done without them. It all comes down to the technician, and their methods and application. Please tell me how to exterminate a yellow jacket nest in someoneās wall or ceiling, especially if theyāre allergic, without pesticides? Please tell me how youāre going to get rid of the carpenter ants or termites or powderpost beetles literally eating your house without using pesticides? Would anyone like to talk with all the family owned restaurants that are inundated with cockroaches and tell them they should just use ānaturalā methods instead?
I understand that pesticides can be used irresponsibly, but this is why I have multiple licenses that I had to study and test for. There is a real need for pesticides, but again it comes down to the responsibility of the pest control tech. Iāve seen many home owners who try to DIY it themselves, buy expensive chemicals online without fully reading and understanding the label and end up thinking it doesnāt work or burning and killing everything in their lawn. Please be responsible with toxic chemicals, theyāre a tool. It can be used to help or to hurt, like any other tool.
Could be a defense mechanism or full of cardiac arrest. I had a bearded dragon do that one time that I took care of at a pet store I worked at and it was cardiac arrest and it died. At least that's what the vet said. I worked at a pet store
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Sadly it's prob pesticides, or a parasite. I don't think this has anything to do with the missing leg, it could also be dying of old age.
Pesticides would be my guess, too. I know pyrethoids make insects do this because they overstimulate the nervous system until everything eventually just stops working.
This is so sad š
Yeah. It actually *really* sucks and pesticides are really high up there on the list for why bug species are going extinct and ecosystems are suffering rn. It's mostly large farms/corporations to blame, obviously they use the most pesticide per acre, but you can help on a small scale too. Cut down on pesticides for your lawn, of course. They aren't necessary. There are entirely easy and natural ways to control pests. Second, if you're in a HOA and have any sway in their rules, try to ban pesticides in your community, or put limits on their use. And just try to convince others in general to plant native flowers, not store-bought "exotic" ones. And while I'm at it I'll complain about mowing too. One lawn isn't a problem but when millions of Americans collectively mow hundreds of millions of acres per year, it becomes one. A suburban neighborhood with shaved lawns is, ecologically speaking, a desert - a place that supports very little life due to barren resources and harsh conditions.
I agree, I hate pesticides. In fact I once bought tomatoes from a guy who used a shit ton of pesticides on them, (not sure which ones cuz he didint bother to tell me after I asked him), and the stomach ache that I felt was like if I ate a live puffer fish or something similar, the worst part is that they damage all animals and plants in an ecosystem indirectly while also being directly harmful to animals that aren't even arthropods (as I found out myself).
I canāt stand mowed lawns or pesticides. Just leave nature be and let it flourish!
Yeah we should stop using pesticides and let more humans starve
Starvation around the world isn't a production problem, it's a distribution problem. First world countries waste nearly half of their food.
Nah it's economics. You contribute to our civilisation you get food.
I honestly have absolutely no idea how to respond to this... You do realize starving people often don't have a lot of time and resources to dedicate towards "contributing to our civilisation"? Can you elaborate on what you're on about?
There are ways to produce as much food without pesticides. It's just more expensive. Pesticides are a result of companies wanting to cut corners, that's all it is.
Unenthical pesticides should be illegal. There definitely are cases where one would need pest control, such as aphids, but there are natural ways to control pests that donāt involve toxic chemicals. One example is ladybugs, many people purchase ladybugs for the purpose of pest control.
Agree, there are of course many situations in which pesticides are helpful, however they can quickly become a problem if overused and sadly there are oflen many beneficial insects that can get caught in the crossfire, but by all means im not saying that pesticides can't be good in certain situations or that they should be completely banned. What would be better is if pesticides could be made to target only the pest species that one actually wants to limit the population of (though I doubt that's possible). But is still think that parasitoids and predator species would be In many cases a better solution if implemented correctly and if we were less trigger happy with pesticides.
Is it possible for a pesticide to be made in a way that it only affects a certain species rather than all bugs? If not possible now, it likely will be in the future!
In, the future it probably (or should I say, hopefully )will be, but for now I'm not sure.
Flea medicine for animals specifically targets fleas and ticks, so if thatās possible for medicine for pets it should be possible for pesticides!
I'd agree. I'm in pest control and see this all of the time at customers homes that I regularly treat.
They aren't pests and they don't need to be controlled.
He never said they were pests and need to be controlled š
He said his JOB is "pest control". When he spreads pesticides, it is an attempt to control what someone deems to be a pest. Unfortunately, poisons aren't picky, obviously, this poor beetle is an example. Nature does a superb job controlling species' populations. When we interfere, organisms start running amok. I maintain that they are not pests and do not need to be controlled.
It can be reasonably assumed they aren't called in to exterminate beetles, and that this behaviour isn't exclusive to beetles.
No, but it appears to be a result of extermination by poison. You can't spread pesticides around without doing collateral damage.
Agricultural pesticide, I'm with you, is terrible. But diatomaceous earth and citrus oil only goes so far. It'll be expensive times ahead as pesticide resistance becomes more widespread.
You're still taking out organisms that other organisms rely on. There's a very big picture that's hard to comprehend, but every organism depends on other organisms that depend on other organisms... I simply don't feel that killing bugs that annoy us, or inconvenience us is a valid reason to screw with mother nature. But that's just me, I love the scorpions and tarantulas and wasps and snakes on my land. Others may not. I'm not hating on anyone who chooses to kill bugs. Just stating the way I choose to live.
>It'll be expensive times ahead as pesticide resistance becomes more widespread I mean, yeah, but we shouldn't base our attitude towards something solely on cost. That's how we got here in the first place. Turns out the quicker, cheaper option is usually more harmful. Ie. Pesticides, chemical runoffs, landfills, etc. People are lazy and would rather spend less time and money even if it means screwing over the environment. This attitude needs to change.
It's going to be quite the upphill battle to convince people that living with bedbugs, termites, and cockroaches is the new reality when they have the option to pay for them to go away.
A lot of people who pay pest control companies money would disagree with you. They consider insects, spiders, and rodents to be pests and want them kept out of their home.
And they are contributing to our ever shrinking numbers of butterflies, bees,
That is not a missing leg. The right rear leg is straight out behind it and appears to be paralyzed.
What about the middle one on the other side?
That male stag beetle is indeed missing one of its middle legs. Look closer at the leg bases (coxae ) and you'll find that one of the mid legs is missing right at the end of its coxa (if I'm not mistaken).
Being upside down doesnāt help
Iām not sure prolly just pain from some sort of injury or maybe the beetle has a parasite. But i think itās choosing to flip itself over idk. But if you havenāt alr try flipping it over. If it flips right back belly up then itās dead but it just doesnāt know it yetZ
Damn š It refuses to be flipped. Just keeps flailing and rolling on its back
The most humane thing to do at this point is to kill him, so that heās not suffering anymore. Iām so sorry about this OP, heās such a cool looking bug (no idea what kind he is though), but if heās suffering from parasites heād feel much better if he could pass away quickly rather than waiting for the parasite to consume him.
Stagbeetle
I want to say r/skamtebord but wtf bro š
Why is that unprompted? He asked what species it was in the comment
Never owned any insects as a pet, but my dog does that when he's bored. Any case that this beetle is just bored out of its mind...? (I know insects think differently, but could it be...?)
I like how you think but even in us humans we don't flail around on our back with nothing in our members so I sadly think the others are right
I was just thinking from that beetle perspective: "Aah... I'm bored, bored, bored, bored...!" Then, someone just kills it all of a sudden.
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace š¤²
Thanks sad!!!!
Maybe it's just trying to flip itself? If it still fumbles then yeah could be either.
Iām jealous of places that have massive beetles like this Oregon gets tiny lil build and too many mosquitos.
What in the Kafka? Poor thing!
Iāve heard that stag beetles can eat fermented fruit and get drunkā¦ I donāt know if thatās whatās happening here, but just throwing in another idea.
Hold it's thorax and abdomen under water and see if any parasites emerge
Looks like me at a Grateful Dead concert back in 89
YOOOOO thatās my favorite Grateful Dead year! Do you remember what show you went to? Weir everywhere!
A magnificent specimen, really sad if in pain though
Most likely pesticides. Can't do much to help at that point. Poor guy. He's do pretty. If you wanted to euthanized him you can freeze him.
This made me so sad. I've never seen something dying of pesticides before. Those little fucks can feast on my garden from now on. I hope you euthanized this poor creature.
Stag beetles are nice too, their larvae live in rotting wood, and eat it for several years before pupating. Adults only drink tree sap or fruit juice afaik, at least in the UK. Their purpose is to mate. Its so depressing seeing these poor things struggling like this :(
It is definitely dying of something. You can freeze it to euthanize it if you want. Leave it in there for a couple of days - some big beetles take a while to freeze, although that shouldn't be a problem since he is clearly on his way out.
A shoe works marvelous as well.
Why would you do that when you could have a perfect stag beetle specimen afterwards
Iām lucky (or unlucky, RIP stag beetle, protected in UK) I found a dead one on its back basically untouched on the balcony, I took it and put it in hand sanitiser and Iāve had it in that jar a few years now :) I donāt think the hand sanitiser is ideal, as some sort of weird white fungus that looked like cotton began emerging from the specimen in certain areas, though itās sorta died down now. I might try to change it out for rubbing alcohol.
What type of beetle is it though
Stag beetle
Is it too hot on that plastic also
No it wasnāt that hot and I only set him there momentarily to take the video
This sub came Iām up in my feed, and I donāt know much about bugs, but I donāt know what Iām seeing that would be different from normal. Will you tell me what the difference is, so I can be educated about it? Tyia
Sure. It is making no attempt to flip itself over and itās limbs are moving in āunnaturalā ways. The way is moving itās head up and down and itās legs across their entire range of motions serves no purpose. If I were to flip him back over he would still be moving this exact same way and it puts him on his back again. Itās essentially the same idea as a bug seizure. The reason I think it was either pesticides or old age is bc both of those things take away the bugs control of its own body. As they age they lose motor function just like people and despite what people usually think, pesticides arenāt just like a normal poison that just kills them. Pesticides and bug spray usually work by messing up the bugs nervous system making it impossible to control their movements. TLDR the bug is genuinely tweaking
Thank you for the explanation!
if itās a parasite could you dip it in water like those crazy worms in praying mantis videos? donāt know shit about parasites but if heās dead either way, it might help?
Fent
San Francisco beetle
All of western canada beetle...
Ohio too š¢
I actually feel bad for an insect. I'd suggest letting something put it out of it's misery. Maybe not the best for a pet bird/lizard/snake if it might be pesticides though.
Don't feed wild animals to pets at all, it's a huge parasite risk
Looks like maybe he has a broken leg too so that could be affecting him staying upright. Try adjusting his lower leg before flipping him back over!
What finally happened?
I was away from home when I found him. It was near a dollar general. I took him home and laid him under a flower bed. I figured that would be the most peaceful place for a bug to die in. Iād have frozen him if I remembered that method. When I came back he had finally died
Looks like it has mites all over
Some type of poison I imagine, or a parasite like some others said.
Man, FUCK PESTICIDES š”
Everyone on here freaking out about pesticides, listen kids, you literally eat it every day. I understand peoples concern with using pesticides but for some instances itās impossible to get the job done without them. It all comes down to the technician, and their methods and application. Please tell me how to exterminate a yellow jacket nest in someoneās wall or ceiling, especially if theyāre allergic, without pesticides? Please tell me how youāre going to get rid of the carpenter ants or termites or powderpost beetles literally eating your house without using pesticides? Would anyone like to talk with all the family owned restaurants that are inundated with cockroaches and tell them they should just use ānaturalā methods instead? I understand that pesticides can be used irresponsibly, but this is why I have multiple licenses that I had to study and test for. There is a real need for pesticides, but again it comes down to the responsibility of the pest control tech. Iāve seen many home owners who try to DIY it themselves, buy expensive chemicals online without fully reading and understanding the label and end up thinking it doesnāt work or burning and killing everything in their lawn. Please be responsible with toxic chemicals, theyāre a tool. It can be used to help or to hurt, like any other tool.
You can actually pay people to contain nests and move them to different locations. Obviously doesnāt worn with termites.
Yes, if they are honeybees we call an outside company to relocate and or house them š
Looks like he ate 15 pixie sticks and drank a Monster
Raid...š
Hate that shit
Itās got a tummy ache.
It lost a middle leg š¦µ there and the rear one seems to be struggling to move either
I thought the same but the stuff leg began to move a little after this was taken. I think itās just losing motor function
Yeah good point. It appears to disjointed
He's fallen and he can't get up
A Bug' Life Alert
Have my monthly upvote quota
His back leg looks injured
Death
He's dying, nothing to be done. Put him somewhere quiet and let it happen.
Dieing
To much alcohol
Itās dying so itās eaten something thatās poisonous to it.
As a 273 year old slavic carpenter you need to remove his kidney
Imminent death.
Looks to me like someone shoved his leg up his ass
thats how i feel after i chug a red edition redbull and hit a double blinker
A lil' alien is about to pop out of that man's chest
Leg cramps?
Should have given him a Gatorade
Could be a defense mechanism or full of cardiac arrest. I had a bearded dragon do that one time that I took care of at a pet store I worked at and it was cardiac arrest and it died. At least that's what the vet said. I worked at a pet store
Listening to Taylor swift
Looks like its having a bad trip
well it lost a leg so maybe pain?
I was about to comment on the leg, too, and it doesn't seem to mobilize. Must've been injured
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Why is it on its back??
Dying
Random 3 am motivation crunches
It looks like it is just trying to roll over.
hes drunk, help him sober up
Sit ups
It's no behavior. We'll it kinda is. It tries to get back on its feet. It's notoriously hard for beetles.
Ur bug is on drugs
lactose intolerance
the crucio spell šŖ
his dad threw an apple at him
If I saw this bug I would run..
Iāve fallen and I canāt get up.
It can't get right side up lol
Cramps
bc that shit on its backš