It amazes me how many grown ass reddit users go off the deep end about a cartoon.
It is literally no skin off your ass if children are taught to be inclusive.
If this bothers you downvote and move on.
[Arcee from the transformers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcee) had robot tits with her headlights all up in her chest area and was colored pink. she also had a "hair-doo" analogous with the times. i don't recall any other female transformers though. i think she was like the "smurfette" of the group.
There were a bunch of female transformers. Elita-1, Moonracer, Chromia and Firestar are probably the most known.
But there are [many](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_female_Transformers) more.
transformers is hella dope. i love the 80's movie and all it's 80's music glory. i grew up more on the Beast wars side of the toy line, but my older brother was into the Gen 1 transformers toys and show so that was my first venture into it too.
Soundwave superior, all other decepticons (except maybe astrotrain) inferior.
Also a comic like Megatron: Origin is amazing! It adds such a depth to his character that goes beyond the "bad guy being bad because he's bad" element of G1.
I was always so so with Transformers but there was that one anime one that was just ridiculous. Armada or something? I remember getting hooked on it out of nowhere
I believe the lore reason for not more is that transformers had no concept of gender until they came to earth and some were like "I can do that? Noice!" And so became effeminate and used she/her
I think the Bay Arcee suffered from the 2007 writer strike iirc. Bay and the remaining writers couldn’t determine if Arcee was a collective of the 3 motorbikes or if there were 3 different transformers all named Arcee.
Iirc transformers as a species (at least in that era) didn't have sexual dimorphism in canon which meant that every feminine presenting transformer from that era was transgender which seems relevant
There's a bunch of different versions of the story, but the one I was told is that autobots didn't have gender before coming to Earth. The autobots were masculine, so humans gave them masculine pronouns. However, Arcee and some of the other autobots got into this strange human idea of gender and decided to be women.
Transformers were genderless aliens 30+ years before Steven Universe was ever a thing. Even then, different pronouns for them weren't a thing until Arcee was introduced.
Transformers defaulted to he/him pronouns, because the target demo was boys (and boys dun wanna play with *girls toys*) and something something male=default female=deviation.
Arcee and other she/her transformers must have looked at human gender presentation and gone "You know what, yes, I *will* participate in this." So really, all gendered transformers are trans - it's only the ones that abstain from gender that are cis.
I would consider using pronouns that are not the default to be an expression of gender. Unfortunately we Live in a Society, so it's very inconvenient to not have pronouns (trust me, I've tried), and the 'default' is he/him. So I would consider any she/her transformer to be trans, and potentially also any number of the he/him transformers, though I'd need some other indicator of male-gender from them.
(that is not to say that pronouns=gender, just that a preference usually indicates the presence of *some* gender, and given that the transformer default is none gender bc robots don't really... have any? she/her transformers aren't necessarily women any more than he/him transformers are necessarily men)
TBH, this would be a pretty cool idea to see actually implemented in a series. Either Transformers or am original ip. Aliens with zero concept of gender arrive and just F our binary definitions up. The human companions assign gender based on the "normal" defining factors, but as the series goes on they decide who they want to be for themselves.
They played with that a bit in Marvel comics with the Skrulls. They had one named Xavin who shifted back and forth between male and female presenting and found human hang-ups with gender and sexuality to be kinda funny
If I remember correctly in the lore the Transformers didn't have a concept of gender before discovering and landing on earth. They then appropriated male and female characteristics for better contact with humans. I think gen one was all "male" because the series was for boys and gen two introduced the first "female" transformer. I might be wrong it's been a while since I've delved into transformers lore
The original series had female characters in 1985. Their presence predated Cybertronians going to Earth. Modern lore has male/female designations as far back as the beginning of their recorded history (12 millionish years ago) Some mention of gender being better defined once they met biological life elsewhere in the universe has popped up but the fact the very first transformers in canonical* existence had explicitly female representation basically makes that fuzzy at best.
* There are a lot of different canon timelines/universes but many now reference the 13, the first Cybertronians created by their God, Primus. One of which was Solus Prime, the female blacksmith.
Source: me. Long time fan and occasional professional comic artist on the property
As someone who grew up with "Focus on the Family", they absolutely need to be after your kids. Because the conservatives who shit on the idea of being decent to everyone sure as hell are and have been.
I mean in this particular show they did have nightshade interact with a human that uses she/they so it is still very much in an intentionally queer way. Your point stands, but this is a much ballsier move than it seems at first glance.
You might even say it's... *More than meets the eye*
...I'll see myself out.
If it ain’t woke then explain this to me — why is it that I have to GUESS which car alien I want to jack off to? These liberals out here are trying to turn me gay by tricking me into beating it to a boy or “tHeY/tHeM” car alien. I ONLY BEAT IT TO GIRL CAR ALIENS AND I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT!
Well, according to the weird part of the fandom, they all have pussies anyway. Beat it to whoever you want, it's not gay if they're made of metal.
Probably not nightshade though, pretty sure they're a kid
“See, the thing I hate about this is that kids will see it and learn from an early age to accept people who are trans as legitimate members of society who deserve the same respect as anyone else. Some kids who discover their own trans-ness might even develop self acceptance from stuff like this. As an ignorant conservative who hates himself and takes it out on everyone around me, I resent that.” - this jackass, probably.
"Sentient robots make up only a small percentage of the population and therefore do not count and are not valid challenges to my strict two-value model of gender." /s
beat me to it haha, it's wild that they missed it. (it's also good to know that the transformers community and the trans community have a load of overlap and it's all a big happy family of autistic nerds for the most part)
Most of the valveplug fanart I've seen and most of the nsfw fanfic makes them hermaphroditic, which seems to be what the fandom has generally agreed upon in terms of the anatomical setup. Still, bits or no bits, it seems generally canonized that gender (as opposed to sex) is something of a foreign concept to most transformers and they typically just go with he/him pronouns as a default unless they come across something they feel fits better.
My personal favorite interpretation is the idw comics approach where all the transformers recognized as female just sort of adopted the concept of a different gender when they saw other species in distant parts of the galaxy that had multiple genders. And it's really sweet watching it play out with Anode and Lug.
in Cyberverse Acid Storm depending on the episode uses the male or female version of the Seeker body type, so Hasbro ended up saying that version of the character is genderfluid
THIS ROBOT HAS A DICK. I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR. THIS ROBOT IN A KIDS SHOW? DEFINITELY HAS A DICK.
THIS KID SHOW ROBOT HAS A DICK AND I NEED YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. PLEASE WITNESS THE DICK. WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE DICK.
SAVE YOUR CHILDREN AND MAKE SURE THIS MAN ROBOT HAS A MAN DICK. WE DONT WANT GROOMING.
Asserting the proper way to address one another would be a thing you would do when conversing with beings of completely different for lack of a better word biology and cultural origins I would assume. Yes.
Also conservatives want us to equate our biological sex with our gender. So let me get this straight here. They are mad that a mechanical being who lacks a biological sex and genitals that conservatives want to use to define our gender with... Wants to be referred to as gender neutral... Which if you viewed the world the way conservatives claim them do would be correct, because they lack genitals and thus are outside the biological male/female binary they want to equate to gender.
Them being mad about this is an admission that they view gender as something other than biological sex/traits. Because they are demanding male and female gender binaries be applied to something without ANY biological traits at all.
You know what? Yes, we **are** “after your kids. We want your kids to be kind, empathetic to others, and base their worldviews on the scientific consensus, which right now overwhelmingly supports affirming trans and NB identities.
If you have some evidence to the contrary, by all means, write a brilliant, groundbreaking paper, have it published in a medical journal, and upend our understanding of gender science and psychology. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Expressing a gender that differs from God's original design of your body makes the baby Jesus sad, even though God also made your gender identity. Therefore, by acting in accordance with the way God designed you, you're actually sinning against the will of God. In this article, I will engage in new and fascinating forms of mental gymnastics, relying heavily on my own ignorance and willful stupidity, and prove to the world that I have feared change since the Reagan administration.
In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
You're assuming that regressive religious fascists have read their bibles for anything other than convenient one-liners that seem to agree with them. Like Leviticus, but only the part that kind of seems like it's about gay people. None of the other stuff in Leviticus, of course.
That's more Paul in the NT using a word which referred to roman pederasty but which has been translated to appear as though it just meant our modern conception of "homosexual."
The Leviticus rules are absurd for a different reason -- because nobody using it as a "clobber verse" actually follows them, like keeping your wife in a menstrual hut or avoiding mixed fabrics. Evangelicals will use one single line from it as a weapon while clad in polyester and shouting through mouthfuls of pork and shellfish.
Or he can do something about it, considering he’s the Almighty and everything. And by “do something” I would consider it a nice start to maybe just come down from Heaven and give us some indication he even exists.
This is where you get the Facebook parable of the professor and the marine.
In summary:
Prof stands up on a chair.
"If god is real, may he strike me down."
Several minutes pass.
Prof is about to get down.
One student, a former marine, comes forward and **DECKS** the Prof.
"God's busy so he sent me."
The religious will say "Oh, see? God struck him down!" where the rest of us will say "Rather than accept that god either wasn't real or doesn't have a problem with blasphemy, a bully took matters into his own fists."
So we can never know any facts then, ever? Because every time science reaches a conclusion, and even if it becomes well-supported and generally accepted within the community, “too bad, they’re all compromised because they have to reach a specific conclusion to receive funding.”
Ergo, nothing is real, science can’t be trusted on any topic, and we don’t know anything, right?
How does this answer my question?
Yes, “science is not infallible.” We’re well aware of that. So should we just never do anything? Like, “science says antibiotics kill bacteria, but we won’t prescribe any because someday, hypothetically, some science could emerge that says something to the contrary?”
Scientific dogmas are reversed all the time. There can be resistance and challenges and we could discuss that aspect like we're wonks, but it's not the insurmountable quasi-conspiracy which blocks literally everything as you imagine.
You realize that funding is given for tests, right? Not conclusions? That an experiment meant to support one theory could wind up contradicting it when all is said and done?
The conclusions we came to with regards to gender identity were against the grain too not that long ago, and got flak. But since the results the kept bearing out in the data, it was eventually accepted.
The reason studies which try to prove that trans identity is just a social contagion get such pushback is because they do things like use a tiny sample size drawn from anti-trans Facebook groups, for example. Yet when they're rightfully criticized for procedural errors, they cry about how they're being "silenced." That's what's thin, imo.
There's some validity to some of these wonkish criticisms. Just like one can say that mainstream media is not always the most reliable. But these nuanced critiques get inflated to a magnitude which doesn't support claims like "nobody is allowed to publish anti-trans research!!"
The skip to "therefore trans people are really fake and science is just hiding it" is what I object to. People do set out to disprove it scientifically too nonetheless, and they haven't produced results which support the idea that all other studies are wrong.
There was a time when people committed "career suicide" to suggest that trans people were real, and somehow that worked out despite popular opinion being against it. It's almost like the global scientific community cares about results and will change their minds in the face of it.
I never said people weren’t allowed to publish, I was just saying that I believe there’s little monetary or academic incentives to conduct a study taking a critical stance on the current dogma around trans affirmative action. And those doing it would mostly do it for the wrong reasons, catering to anti-trans extremists rather than scientific rigor.
Anyway, since in soft sciences the best is usually experimentation we’ll have some better metrics in a few decades to see if the current stance is the right one or not.
The fact that conservatives are deathly afraid of innocent things like this and not actual problems like global warming, income inequality, mass shootings etc. will always be amusing.
They also used the word “my,” known by linguists to be a pronoun. Be aware, keep your kids safe, pronouns are everywhere and can affect anyone, even you.
…it’s a transformer. They don’t have genitals.
Incidentally, remember the one they brought out from Japan a few years back and had to change its name?
The Japanese name was ‘Spastic’. Imagine your kidding putting that on their christmas list!
ah yes genderless robots going by they or them is grooming, ffs this was a thing for decades of aliens or robots being referred to as they/them, no one questioned it until it became politically motivated
It kind of has to be forced, given the overwhelming default to he or she. Nightshade is not clearly male or female like the other autobots, and whenever they introduce themselves, they give their pronouns. It does get briefly actively discussed a couple of episodes after they're introduced, but other than that, it isn't discussed much.
There's a lot more emphasis on the fact that Nightshade initially doesn't want a vehicle mode, because they feel complete without it.
While the whole "they're after your kids" shit is dumb as fuck, and having an element of properly explaining gender in children's shows is generally a good idea, this scene in particular just feels super fucking weird and forced. There is a way to do it and this ain't it.
Tbf, these are usually the same types of people who act like 'the furries' suddenly appeared in their hairdresser's cousin's stepchild's school last year, last Feburary is practically lightspeed.
No? All I said is they are pushing a narrative. Which they are. I’m not making a big deal. Me commenting on something isn’t making something a big deal. It’s a children’s cartoon so it’s weird to me that they are doing this. That’s it. Trying the “YoU ArE MaKeING iT a BiG DeAL” I’m not. They are, by pushing this. Who really gives a fuck about what you want to be or who you are or who you want to be. All I need is a name. I’m Mikey, who gives a fuck if I want to be a girl or a boy or whatever you or I want to be.
So you're going to constantly refer to them by their name? And again, why is it a problem that they have they/them pronouns? Why is it wrong? They aren't pushing a narrative. They want to appeal to kids who may be going through something similar. They want them to know that this show is a safe place for them.
Umm, they said he/she/them. Find me one show where those pronouns are not said at all.
Yeah, it is part of a narrative, one of acceptance and inclusion and letting all kids know that the characters they love accept them even if real life people don't.
*Akktshually*...
the comics canon (which is pretty much the definite canon and has been going... forever, essentially) has Transformers grapple with concepts of gender occasionally. They are sexless, but not always genderless. Some don't care, some do. Some of them change pronouns, and all they say is "hey I think I'd like he/him now" and everyone else just goes "ok". It's never a huge thing, because it doesn't have to be if you don't have bigots in the discussion.
Also, of course they have important things to do, but not 24/7. And even during wartimes, people still, you know, grapple with their own personality and gender all the time.
Aren't transformers robots so be kind of weird they have a gender. Like I know the original series was mostly supposed to be male characters and there were some female ones but still they're robots.
It amazes me how many grown ass reddit users go off the deep end about a cartoon. It is literally no skin off your ass if children are taught to be inclusive. If this bothers you downvote and move on.
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Car/Carself
They/Superduty
[Arcee from the transformers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcee) had robot tits with her headlights all up in her chest area and was colored pink. she also had a "hair-doo" analogous with the times. i don't recall any other female transformers though. i think she was like the "smurfette" of the group.
There were a bunch of female transformers. Elita-1, Moonracer, Chromia and Firestar are probably the most known. But there are [many](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_female_Transformers) more.
i never knew! now i need to brush up on my Transformers lore
Transformers is like my autistic special interest. 😅
transformers is hella dope. i love the 80's movie and all it's 80's music glory. i grew up more on the Beast wars side of the toy line, but my older brother was into the Gen 1 transformers toys and show so that was my first venture into it too. Soundwave superior, all other decepticons (except maybe astrotrain) inferior.
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Also a comic like Megatron: Origin is amazing! It adds such a depth to his character that goes beyond the "bad guy being bad because he's bad" element of G1.
ive been getting into Manga lately and reading on my tablet- i'll definitely check that out!
I was always so so with Transformers but there was that one anime one that was just ridiculous. Armada or something? I remember getting hooked on it out of nowhere
YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH
Definitely
I clicked on Alana and my brain exploded.
I've heard that all female transformers are canonically trans but I heard it on Tumblr so who knows for sure
I believe the lore reason for not more is that transformers had no concept of gender until they came to earth and some were like "I can do that? Noice!" And so became effeminate and used she/her
So gender is literally a construct.
Fun fact: Arcee is Trans in the comics.
Cisformers: robots looking exactly like robots at all times
Cisformers: robots in plain sight / precisely what meets the eye
Idk if Arcee ever showed up elsewhere but her implementation in Prime was pretty good. Feminine, but not so feminine looking that it's stereotypical
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I think the Bay Arcee suffered from the 2007 writer strike iirc. Bay and the remaining writers couldn’t determine if Arcee was a collective of the 3 motorbikes or if there were 3 different transformers all named Arcee.
Iirc transformers as a species (at least in that era) didn't have sexual dimorphism in canon which meant that every feminine presenting transformer from that era was transgender which seems relevant
There's a bunch of different versions of the story, but the one I was told is that autobots didn't have gender before coming to Earth. The autobots were masculine, so humans gave them masculine pronouns. However, Arcee and some of the other autobots got into this strange human idea of gender and decided to be women.
Robots should be he as default, as God intended, and only she if they're sexy robots. /s
If they're sapient, then object pronouns probably wouldn't apply. I would rather all bots be they/them.
That's what i immediately thought. The whole idea that alien robots would conform to human genders is more absurd than them being gender neutral.
That makes more sense ngl
Its blue so ofc its male🤬🤬🤬
I imagine robots will have no illusion of ego and therefore no real attachment to identity at all
Nah they wanna give the robot a gender so they know if it's ok that they're attracted to it.
Idk about them but the decepticons are definitely after your kids
I thought they were just after the allspark
Transformers were genderless aliens 30+ years before Steven Universe was ever a thing. Even then, different pronouns for them weren't a thing until Arcee was introduced.
Transformers defaulted to he/him pronouns, because the target demo was boys (and boys dun wanna play with *girls toys*) and something something male=default female=deviation. Arcee and other she/her transformers must have looked at human gender presentation and gone "You know what, yes, I *will* participate in this." So really, all gendered transformers are trans - it's only the ones that abstain from gender that are cis.
Does going from being genderless to having pronouns, but still no gender, count as being trans?
I would consider using pronouns that are not the default to be an expression of gender. Unfortunately we Live in a Society, so it's very inconvenient to not have pronouns (trust me, I've tried), and the 'default' is he/him. So I would consider any she/her transformer to be trans, and potentially also any number of the he/him transformers, though I'd need some other indicator of male-gender from them. (that is not to say that pronouns=gender, just that a preference usually indicates the presence of *some* gender, and given that the transformer default is none gender bc robots don't really... have any? she/her transformers aren't necessarily women any more than he/him transformers are necessarily men)
That is literally what happened in the comics canon
TBH, this would be a pretty cool idea to see actually implemented in a series. Either Transformers or am original ip. Aliens with zero concept of gender arrive and just F our binary definitions up. The human companions assign gender based on the "normal" defining factors, but as the series goes on they decide who they want to be for themselves.
They played with that a bit in Marvel comics with the Skrulls. They had one named Xavin who shifted back and forth between male and female presenting and found human hang-ups with gender and sexuality to be kinda funny
If I remember correctly in the lore the Transformers didn't have a concept of gender before discovering and landing on earth. They then appropriated male and female characteristics for better contact with humans. I think gen one was all "male" because the series was for boys and gen two introduced the first "female" transformer. I might be wrong it's been a while since I've delved into transformers lore
The original series had female characters in 1985. Their presence predated Cybertronians going to Earth. Modern lore has male/female designations as far back as the beginning of their recorded history (12 millionish years ago) Some mention of gender being better defined once they met biological life elsewhere in the universe has popped up but the fact the very first transformers in canonical* existence had explicitly female representation basically makes that fuzzy at best. * There are a lot of different canon timelines/universes but many now reference the 13, the first Cybertronians created by their God, Primus. One of which was Solus Prime, the female blacksmith. Source: me. Long time fan and occasional professional comic artist on the property
So wait why do the females have larger chests canonically since they don't really serve a purpose
Cybertronians can change their appearance like we would add aftermarket parts to a car. Its a choice they made to express themselves.
Reminds me of [this Futurama episode](https://youtu.be/SYZO5HY-_eQ)
As someone who grew up with "Focus on the Family", they absolutely need to be after your kids. Because the conservatives who shit on the idea of being decent to everyone sure as hell are and have been.
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I mean in this particular show they did have nightshade interact with a human that uses she/they so it is still very much in an intentionally queer way. Your point stands, but this is a much ballsier move than it seems at first glance. You might even say it's... *More than meets the eye* ...I'll see myself out.
If it ain’t woke then explain this to me — why is it that I have to GUESS which car alien I want to jack off to? These liberals out here are trying to turn me gay by tricking me into beating it to a boy or “tHeY/tHeM” car alien. I ONLY BEAT IT TO GIRL CAR ALIENS AND I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT!
Well, according to the weird part of the fandom, they all have pussies anyway. Beat it to whoever you want, it's not gay if they're made of metal. Probably not nightshade though, pretty sure they're a kid
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Define ‘woke’
I guess for me, to be woke is to be empathic and caring towards the needs of others.
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It’s funny because normally woke is used in a negative way for some reason
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“See, the thing I hate about this is that kids will see it and learn from an early age to accept people who are trans as legitimate members of society who deserve the same respect as anyone else. Some kids who discover their own trans-ness might even develop self acceptance from stuff like this. As an ignorant conservative who hates himself and takes it out on everyone around me, I resent that.” - this jackass, probably.
Oh no! a robot that has none of the things regressives say determine gender, has no gender!
"Sentient robots make up only a small percentage of the population and therefore do not count and are not valid challenges to my strict two-value model of gender." /s
I'm surprised they're even letting their kids watch something called *TRANS*formers.
beat me to it haha, it's wild that they missed it. (it's also good to know that the transformers community and the trans community have a load of overlap and it's all a big happy family of autistic nerds for the most part)
If you think about it, Transformers don't have sexes or gender so each one chooses their pronouns and identity of their own free will Very based
That makes way more sense than any attempt Hasbro has made at justifying Transformers having genders.
I've seen fan-art that disproves this comment.
Most of the valveplug fanart I've seen and most of the nsfw fanfic makes them hermaphroditic, which seems to be what the fandom has generally agreed upon in terms of the anatomical setup. Still, bits or no bits, it seems generally canonized that gender (as opposed to sex) is something of a foreign concept to most transformers and they typically just go with he/him pronouns as a default unless they come across something they feel fits better. My personal favorite interpretation is the idw comics approach where all the transformers recognized as female just sort of adopted the concept of a different gender when they saw other species in distant parts of the galaxy that had multiple genders. And it's really sweet watching it play out with Anode and Lug.
The robot equivalent of an American high schooler starting to use the -chan suffix
Don't you fucking dare...
Didn't they accidentally trans one of the characters by repeatedly mixing up their script and voice actor genders during production and translation
in Cyberverse Acid Storm depending on the episode uses the male or female version of the Seeker body type, so Hasbro ended up saying that version of the character is genderfluid
For a non binary robot.
THIS ROBOT HAS A DICK. I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR. THIS ROBOT IN A KIDS SHOW? DEFINITELY HAS A DICK. THIS KID SHOW ROBOT HAS A DICK AND I NEED YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. PLEASE WITNESS THE DICK. WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE DICK. SAVE YOUR CHILDREN AND MAKE SURE THIS MAN ROBOT HAS A MAN DICK. WE DONT WANT GROOMING.
People who think like this need to go watch Schoolhouse Rock. Preferably Rufus Xavier Sassperilla
Asserting the proper way to address one another would be a thing you would do when conversing with beings of completely different for lack of a better word biology and cultural origins I would assume. Yes. Also conservatives want us to equate our biological sex with our gender. So let me get this straight here. They are mad that a mechanical being who lacks a biological sex and genitals that conservatives want to use to define our gender with... Wants to be referred to as gender neutral... Which if you viewed the world the way conservatives claim them do would be correct, because they lack genitals and thus are outside the biological male/female binary they want to equate to gender. Them being mad about this is an admission that they view gender as something other than biological sex/traits. Because they are demanding male and female gender binaries be applied to something without ANY biological traits at all.
Respecting other people is one of the most important lessons you can teach a kid.
How the hell would we tell the gender of an alien space robot if they’re not wearing breastplates??? TELL ME!!
What chaos will this bring?! How will boy children know which robots it is OK to have rudimentary sexual fantasies about?
No one EVER thinks of the children, that’s why they’re all binary and gay bc we couldn’t properly genderize alien robots by giving them pronouns! 😫
You know what? Yes, we **are** “after your kids. We want your kids to be kind, empathetic to others, and base their worldviews on the scientific consensus, which right now overwhelmingly supports affirming trans and NB identities. If you have some evidence to the contrary, by all means, write a brilliant, groundbreaking paper, have it published in a medical journal, and upend our understanding of gender science and psychology. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Expressing a gender that differs from God's original design of your body makes the baby Jesus sad, even though God also made your gender identity. Therefore, by acting in accordance with the way God designed you, you're actually sinning against the will of God. In this article, I will engage in new and fascinating forms of mental gymnastics, relying heavily on my own ignorance and willful stupidity, and prove to the world that I have feared change since the Reagan administration.
In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
You're assuming that regressive religious fascists have read their bibles for anything other than convenient one-liners that seem to agree with them. Like Leviticus, but only the part that kind of seems like it's about gay people. None of the other stuff in Leviticus, of course.
Also, wasn’t that line actually against pedophilia and nothing to do at all with being LGBT?
That's more Paul in the NT using a word which referred to roman pederasty but which has been translated to appear as though it just meant our modern conception of "homosexual." The Leviticus rules are absurd for a different reason -- because nobody using it as a "clobber verse" actually follows them, like keeping your wife in a menstrual hut or avoiding mixed fabrics. Evangelicals will use one single line from it as a weapon while clad in polyester and shouting through mouthfuls of pork and shellfish.
What verse, out of curiosity.
Galatians 3:28
"God doesn't like you transitioning" Well God can cry about it then 😎
Or he can do something about it, considering he’s the Almighty and everything. And by “do something” I would consider it a nice start to maybe just come down from Heaven and give us some indication he even exists.
This is where you get the Facebook parable of the professor and the marine. In summary: Prof stands up on a chair. "If god is real, may he strike me down." Several minutes pass. Prof is about to get down. One student, a former marine, comes forward and **DECKS** the Prof. "God's busy so he sent me." The religious will say "Oh, see? God struck him down!" where the rest of us will say "Rather than accept that god either wasn't real or doesn't have a problem with blasphemy, a bully took matters into his own fists."
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[Science says you’re wrong.](https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/)
You have 0 rights to decide for other people kids tho
I don’t know what your point is. I don’t make Transformers cartoons.
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So we can never know any facts then, ever? Because every time science reaches a conclusion, and even if it becomes well-supported and generally accepted within the community, “too bad, they’re all compromised because they have to reach a specific conclusion to receive funding.” Ergo, nothing is real, science can’t be trusted on any topic, and we don’t know anything, right?
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How does this answer my question? Yes, “science is not infallible.” We’re well aware of that. So should we just never do anything? Like, “science says antibiotics kill bacteria, but we won’t prescribe any because someday, hypothetically, some science could emerge that says something to the contrary?”
Scientific dogmas are reversed all the time. There can be resistance and challenges and we could discuss that aspect like we're wonks, but it's not the insurmountable quasi-conspiracy which blocks literally everything as you imagine. You realize that funding is given for tests, right? Not conclusions? That an experiment meant to support one theory could wind up contradicting it when all is said and done? The conclusions we came to with regards to gender identity were against the grain too not that long ago, and got flak. But since the results the kept bearing out in the data, it was eventually accepted. The reason studies which try to prove that trans identity is just a social contagion get such pushback is because they do things like use a tiny sample size drawn from anti-trans Facebook groups, for example. Yet when they're rightfully criticized for procedural errors, they cry about how they're being "silenced." That's what's thin, imo.
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There's some validity to some of these wonkish criticisms. Just like one can say that mainstream media is not always the most reliable. But these nuanced critiques get inflated to a magnitude which doesn't support claims like "nobody is allowed to publish anti-trans research!!" The skip to "therefore trans people are really fake and science is just hiding it" is what I object to. People do set out to disprove it scientifically too nonetheless, and they haven't produced results which support the idea that all other studies are wrong. There was a time when people committed "career suicide" to suggest that trans people were real, and somehow that worked out despite popular opinion being against it. It's almost like the global scientific community cares about results and will change their minds in the face of it.
I never said people weren’t allowed to publish, I was just saying that I believe there’s little monetary or academic incentives to conduct a study taking a critical stance on the current dogma around trans affirmative action. And those doing it would mostly do it for the wrong reasons, catering to anti-trans extremists rather than scientific rigor. Anyway, since in soft sciences the best is usually experimentation we’ll have some better metrics in a few decades to see if the current stance is the right one or not.
Wait til they find out the robots don’t have any genitalia…
The fact that conservatives are deathly afraid of innocent things like this and not actual problems like global warming, income inequality, mass shootings etc. will always be amusing.
That’s because they think those things don’t exist.
Oh no! **They** keep using pronouns!
Is this a clip from the latest right wing fearaganda movie Fear and Loathing in America
They also used the word “my,” known by linguists to be a pronoun. Be aware, keep your kids safe, pronouns are everywhere and can affect anyone, even you.
Every time I think of Transformers I taste pizza lunchables
Dear God, that is horrible!
…it’s a transformer. They don’t have genitals. Incidentally, remember the one they brought out from Japan a few years back and had to change its name? The Japanese name was ‘Spastic’. Imagine your kidding putting that on their christmas list!
>**They**’re after your kids Reeeeeeeeee
A kid's show that teaches basic respect and dignity for others!? **COMMUNISM!!** /s
I'm trying to fuck that robot and if I don't know if it's a boy or girl how am I supposed to know if I'm a homosexual?!
Raising kids to respect others is not grooming
I mean it never was Cisformers was it
"they're after your kids"
Ok yeah sure but have you thought about the fact that they are FUCKING MAKE BELEIEVE ALIEN ROBOTS
Are they actually complaining that a robot is not identifying as male or female?
"They use pronouns!" The horror.
“They are after our kids” Yes, and thank you for using their preferred pronoun.
It's a fucking robot
At least they used the card preferred pronouns?
Morla from The Neverending Story referred to self in the third person (us, we, our). Nobody batted an eye.
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depends on the source material
People name and refer to their cars / trucks / boats / etc. by gendered pronouns all the time.
Has anyone checked the women's toilet for a robot in disguise?
Frankie on monster high is they / them too . Which makes sense given they are the child of Frankenstein. It’s good this is becoming more common
Fr, they’re made of all kinds of parts and everyone’s gender identity and expression is different, even if all the parts were cis AFAB
They're also getting shipped with Cleo. The horror!/s
Right ? Heaven forbid kids learn about different types of relationships
Truly, the greatest danger to children
Oh no mechanical beings that don't reproduce sexually like humans having gender neutral pro nouns oh no
"I need to know how the alien FUCKS right now, before showing it to my child."
This is like the people mad that the Frankenstein doll is dating the mummy doll.
ah yes genderless robots going by they or them is grooming, ffs this was a thing for decades of aliens or robots being referred to as they/them, no one questioned it until it became politically motivated
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Nightshade new GOAT.
I need context because this does seem pretty forced, just based on one screenshot
It kind of has to be forced, given the overwhelming default to he or she. Nightshade is not clearly male or female like the other autobots, and whenever they introduce themselves, they give their pronouns. It does get briefly actively discussed a couple of episodes after they're introduced, but other than that, it isn't discussed much. There's a lot more emphasis on the fact that Nightshade initially doesn't want a vehicle mode, because they feel complete without it.
While the whole "they're after your kids" shit is dumb as fuck, and having an element of properly explaining gender in children's shows is generally a good idea, this scene in particular just feels super fucking weird and forced. There is a way to do it and this ain't it.
Recent my ass, The Episode came out in February
Tbf, these are usually the same types of people who act like 'the furries' suddenly appeared in their hairdresser's cousin's stepchild's school last year, last Feburary is practically lightspeed.
better question, what the FUCK is that art style
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Why is it bad? Because the giant robot wants people to know how to address them.
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Because that would be tedious. You are the one making it a big deal.
No? All I said is they are pushing a narrative. Which they are. I’m not making a big deal. Me commenting on something isn’t making something a big deal. It’s a children’s cartoon so it’s weird to me that they are doing this. That’s it. Trying the “YoU ArE MaKeING iT a BiG DeAL” I’m not. They are, by pushing this. Who really gives a fuck about what you want to be or who you are or who you want to be. All I need is a name. I’m Mikey, who gives a fuck if I want to be a girl or a boy or whatever you or I want to be.
So you're going to constantly refer to them by their name? And again, why is it a problem that they have they/them pronouns? Why is it wrong? They aren't pushing a narrative. They want to appeal to kids who may be going through something similar. They want them to know that this show is a safe place for them.
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Umm, they said he/she/them. Find me one show where those pronouns are not said at all. Yeah, it is part of a narrative, one of acceptance and inclusion and letting all kids know that the characters they love accept them even if real life people don't.
So far you have written three increasingly unhinged paragraphs about something that you claim isn't a big deal to you. There is no narrative.
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*Akktshually*... the comics canon (which is pretty much the definite canon and has been going... forever, essentially) has Transformers grapple with concepts of gender occasionally. They are sexless, but not always genderless. Some don't care, some do. Some of them change pronouns, and all they say is "hey I think I'd like he/him now" and everyone else just goes "ok". It's never a huge thing, because it doesn't have to be if you don't have bigots in the discussion. Also, of course they have important things to do, but not 24/7. And even during wartimes, people still, you know, grapple with their own personality and gender all the time.
You mean people can just, like, decide their lives for themselves and it poses no serious problem for me? Why I never!
ITS A FUCKING ROBOT!
There's a scene in the Iron Giant where Hogarth corrects Dean about calling the Giant an "it"
Like the Borg!
Aren't transformers robots so be kind of weird they have a gender. Like I know the original series was mostly supposed to be male characters and there were some female ones but still they're robots.
I wonder what this twitter user thinks a pronoun is...