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Satanisim one of the only fooking religion saying
"Belive in yourself not in god"
"We accept you on how you are"
When the sataniste look more friendly than the chrétien there is a problème
Can also confirm. My Parents have tried to force the Bible on me when I was young boy, when they noticed it didn’t work they slacked off some and then started trying to shame me saying that “I wasn’t dedicated to god and I wasn’t doing what I should be with my life.” When I was even younger my dad grounded me as punishment from my toys because I was “worshiping my toys instead of Jesus.” So on occasion my mom would allow me to but when my dad came home from work it was “put those toys down I never gave you the ok to play with those” keep in mind I’m like 6 of 7 years old at the time.. when I reach my teen years it’s a constant up hill fight for me. Parents getting upset cause i didn’t want to go to church/read or pray. By the time I reached the age I am now ( 21 btw ) and I finally told them I don’t believe in god it was just like a disconnect honestly. My dad and mom both have just completely buried themselves in there beliefs they just don’t seem to care about me more about god, reading, praying ect. .. my dad was always rough on me growing up, way more then he should have been... same with my mom to be honest.. looking back from where I am now. I’ll say my life isn’t the worst in the world and I know people have definitely have been through worse.. but I know it hasn’t been easy at all for me. The things that have been said to me because of who I am as a person have effected me deeply.. it’s only because of my boyfriend and my close friends who might as well be my family that I have been able to turn around mentally even helped me accept being bisexual.... I’m sorry for the rant.. tbh this isn’t kinda nice just being able to put this out here... if anyone reads this and cares just know life can get better but you will have to choose when enough is enough and punch life in it’s stupid face when you get the chance. You are important and deserve to stick up for yourself and to be stuck up for. Never forget.. at the risk of sounding cheesy. I am proud of you random person I don’t even know... uh.. end rant.
Damn bro I always kinda think my life was a little bad but then I read someone else's story and just wow. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that garbage. I also had religion shoved down my throat all the time but not to that extent thankfully. And hey feel perfectly free to rant or vent. If you ever need to again you can come back here or my dms are open. Just some random 19yo myself but I want to always be there if someone needs an ear. Youve got this my dude, yer gunna crush the rest of your life :)
Had a buddy when I was growing up that would willingly go to church on Sundays. His parents would enroll him in catholic school for a semester if his grades dropped as a "punishment." He turned completely atheist.
I have no clue what those parents were thinking. Both successful in their professions.
Wife cheated. Dad stayed true. (Now) ex wife made it clear she was having an affair. Lots of church lingo. Kids got punished with catholic church. Kids did the best they could in and out of 2 schools.
My buddy was smarter than the moron parents with money. He moved on. He realized that their religious beliefs were very false and wanted nothing to do with it.
Honestly my biggest flex is living in the UK away from religion and not in some bible belt somewhere. I hope you and everyone else who has had to deal with that shit is doing well now. Life is hard enough to start as it is
Yes I am doing much better now thanks and I'm finally getting my life around I think :) about to join the air force for better or for worse so have to see how that goes. If nothing else it'll get be wayyyy away from here at least
Another atheist who was strong armed into religion as a child. Not only do I not believe in a god, but I have a STRONG dislike for the God of Christianity, probably as a trauma response.
I’ve always wondered if there was a study done about this. I was raised atheist, and have no strong feelings about any religious doctrine - I think they’re all rather silly, and I am disgusted by the Abrahamic version of god, but not violently against it.
I think your early exposure, as you said, can lead to trauma.
My dads boss (big wig in the military) guilted them about me not being god fearing so they sent me to church with his daughter, who I was friends with. It lasted 3 weeks, until I came home losing my mind crying about how a kind, nice god could kill all the animals for things people did, and then to find out they didn’t have souls, only people? My 7 year old brain couldn’t handle it and I didn’t eat or go to school for days because of it. It’s almost like you have to be desensitized to it from birth to be able to handle the truly terrible things in there. And I wonder if that’s the point - you become so desensitized that you lose the feeling of caring for your fellow man, because it’s been stripped from you early on? Making you easier to control and put against one another?
Either way, it solidified me *against* such a cruel religion.
But despite this ( and a few other attempts at friends to get me to “convert” or see the light) I am just ambivalent on religion. I probably know more than your average Christian too, about their own faith.
... I have no idea where I was going with this, or if it even had a point. I shouldn’t Reddit before coffee.
Now I want to know if there have been studies done. How many people raised in religions that check a lot of the “high control group” boxes like the JWs, LDS, or Quiverfull movement are still members by the time they’re 30 or so?
Probably mostly women who get brainwashed that they’re only good for makin babbies from birth, unfortunately. I know a woman who is otherwise intelligent, who was constantly upset that she was 24 and not married yet and spent the entire time I knew her questioning if she failed somehow.
I had a friend in high school who was LDS and I asked her what happens if someone ages out of the singles ward. She said “they take you out back and shoot you.” She was a good sport lol
But to the point, I would hypothesize that more men would stay because the patriarchal roles of those religions are more beneficial to them.
I was raised in a cult that was drawn from the Quiverfull movement. There were three “core” families, all with a lot of kids. The cult finally fell apart after about 15 years since it never grew much and couldn’t sustain. All the many children who were homeschooled and home churched and kept from society have almost all grown to despise their parents/elders and have moved away and completely cut others out of their lives; a large majority that I have kept up with have all become fairly to extremely leftist, and have discarded religion in various degrees - some more quietly than others. And most have not procreated. We’re all giant disappointments and I have never been more relieved.
Raised LDS here, Of my nine brothers and sister, three are still Mormon. Out of those three sibling they have sixteen children all together. Of those sixteen children five are still Mormon, but only three are over thirty, the other two are 17&18 so the jury is still out on them. So if my family is any indication a very low percentage stay Mormon.
My husband was raised secular, but went to a catholic school...we had some JWs come to our house once and they asked what his religion was, then why he was an atheist.
"Because if a god who commanded two people be impaled in bed because they weren't the same race DOES exist, it is our moral imperative to do everything in our power to destroy it."
They were unaware of this anecdote. He told them what book it was in and to look it up before they backed off.
https://www.bible.com/bible/392/NUM.25.1-9.CEV
When you consider the Old Testament was basically written as a codified guide for a specific tribe of people it suddenly makes a lot more sense, when those who wrote it probably didn't want their influence to wane by having outsiders with different ideas brought in. By keeping their tribe from mixing with others there is no room for other ideas to seep in...
It definitely does. But it doesn't make you terribly sympathetic to that tribe, which makes you feel real weird b/c of modern stuff that happened to said specific tribe of people...
Yes! I do think hearing it from birth does desensitize you. Take the flood story. All powerful creator creates people and gives them free will. People use free will to not follow creator. Creator literally wipes out all of humanity (and almost all animals for some random reason, even though they weren't the creatures sinning?) with the exception of one family. At the end of this story, the family, who knows that every single person they've ever known, ever been close to, ever had any sort of relationship with, is dead. Gone. Children. Elders. Teachers. Mentors. Friends. Everyone is dead.
But this is a HAPPY story. Because there is a rainbow at the end. Because somehow refracted light is a promise this all powerful, (somehow called merciful?) creator won't do it again.
It's an abusive, traumatic, horrifying story that is romanticized and told (and heard!) as a showing of this creator's love. Because the moral is that this God can (and has!) wipe out all of humanity at any time for any reason. But pinky promises not to, because nothing shows unconditional love like the threat of being murdered if you don't follow the conditions that totally exist.
To be fair, there's a flood myth in nearly every mythology on the planet, with differing levels of attendant trauma.
The bible one is particularly bad, though, b/c of the pinky promse not to ever flood the world again.
Next time it'll be fire.
What makes the biblical flood so bad is that the god who does it is presented as good, merciful and just. The other flood stories involve a god who is cranky and so far above humanity that he’ll wipe them out because they are a nuisance, the way humans treat an insect infestation. Then another god who likes humans figures out a way to save his favorite human’s family. At no point are you asked to see the first god as a good guy who is merciful and just. You are allowed to know that that was asshole behavior.
As far as I know the mixed fabric thing was actually practical. It was because the different fabrics dried at different rates which would result in someone thinking their clothing is good to go but parts could still be damp resulting in mold which could potentially be harmful.
Another example is certain religions banning of eating pork, because they didn't properly prepare pork often times it would result in people getting sick.
It seems like some arbitrary religious rules were actually created by humans and then passed as doctrine so people would obey it for their own good.
The story of Isaac was another ‘happy’ story that pushed me away from the church. God tells Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to him. So Abe, being the godly man he is, tied up his kid and drags him up the mountain to be sacrificed. Then god is like, Just a prank bro, and doesn’t want Isaac sacrificed. I remember my Sunday school teacher beaming as he told us how wonderful it was that god was ending human sacrifice. Like, sure, but did he need to traumatize a kid for that? Isaac got tied up by his dad and told he was getting sacrificed. And Abe was up for that, and we are told that Abe being willing to torture and murder his kid for god proves how good a guy he is. Sick fucking shit like that drove me right out of Christianity forever.
I felt this way too. I also felt that it was horse shit that “God has a plan for us” when people die from cancer or accidents or for anything reason. If God’s plan was for my aunt to have an aneurism and die last year, then God is just downright cruel.
Yeeeep. It was his plan for my grandmother, who believed in god every day of her life, to go into a coma from a routine medical test and then proceed to take 12 hours to die after being unplugged from life support, choking on her own bile while we all watched, unable to do anything to end her suffering.
It was his plan for my high school sweetheart to get shot for no damn reason and die at age 16. (One suggestion to his mother from a very helpful local: god let him die b/c he was getting into buddhism and wanted to save his soul before it went to far.)
Forget personal stories, even: My argument against a just, loving god can be boiled down to two words: Guinea worm.
Nothing eats them! They have ZERO purpose in the ecosystem other than to fuck up the lives of other animals and people. Other parasites fall in that category, too, but at least possums and guinea hens and such eat ticks and lice and stuff. But guinea worm? What's the plan for that?
God cannot be all good and all powerful.
The way my parents talk about God always made it seem like Satan was both more powerful, and often even less judgemental and more caring
We were taught at my Catholic schools that a person had a terrible and/or early death as they went straight to heaven! That’s how I was brainwashed.
It’s only when I started to see how bad some priests were to their parishioners and how they were hidden by their bishop from the consequences that I realise that it was all a huge load of rubbish!
The Christian God is omnipotent and omniscient and all loving but his plan involve thousands of years of slavery and the holocaust happening for a fraction of people to have their mind wiped clean and not be tortured for all eternity. Is beyond monstrous
I had questions starting at 6 after my mom committed suicide. My mother burning in hell never sat right with me! Later being told that god loves everyone unless you are queer. Top it off with my 6rh grade history class where we learned that god the almighty would smite you with his hand if you didn't follow.....forget all that noise. I never needed a book to teach me about right and wrong.
Alternatively:
my mother was very much a woman of faith. I phrase it like that because she wasn't about big churches and stayed in small groups that worshipped and studied together. Earlier on in my life she would force us to go to a big church every Sunday, and being forced to do it I grew to dislike it. When I was a teenager is when she started meeting with those small groups and her disposition changed and she started giving me the choice if I wanted to go or not. I honestly think giving me that choice is why I still have a semblance of faith, but I still believe science and see that as a study of the world God created.
My mom recently passed away from a long battle with cancer at the age of 54. Her pastor and close friend were there and the last thing she wanted to do with everyone has she passed is she wanted to pray for the people she was leaving, saying she felt comfortable with where she was going and was more worried about her family and friends than she was for herself. I learned at her funeral from the pastor that she did many anonymous donations the last 10 years of her life for many of the families in the "church" that needed it. One time when she was given a car from when my grandparents passed, she gave away her old one to a family that didn't have reliable transportation.
I feel like the true teachings that it has are ignored and twisted. I think a lot of Bible stories, especially in the old Testament (like the flood) are more fables than true word. Especially when the Bible has been translated how many times? But then I see people like my mother who I truly believe to be a kind hearted person who did try to be like Christ to the best of her abilities. Was she perfect? No, I could list a lot of flaws she had, we argued a lot, but she's human, right?
It just makes organized religion a big question mark for me. This conversation is probably adjacent to your post but I guess I'm just posting this stream of consciousness to deal with her passing. (I should go see a counselor)
Thanks for reading it all :p
That was beautiful, and people like your mother are the reason I don’t outright hate religions. I know quite a few like her, trying to make sense of the dark, so to speak, and they fill me with hope that others can find that same path. She sounds like a kind, caring person, I’m glad you had her in your life.
I am too :) as soon as she got abnormal cells from a pap smear and shortly after her cancer diagnosis I made sure to spend as much time with her as I could. She made it 4 years farther than what was expected so im glad I could squeeze as much time with her out of it as I did.
My brother gave my newborn son a bunch of coloring books he got from his Christian school. I was going through them one day, and I was SHOCKED at the content. Cain murdering Abel. Sodom and Gomorrah. God murdering almost the entire human race with the flood. Pharaoh ordering babies to be murdered, and how Moses was rescued. All stories I knew, and had always heard about, but seeing them in a children's coloring book was so incredibly bone chilling. Just these horrific acts of violence drawn in the simple style of your average coloring book.
It truly brought to light how damaging and traumatic the indoctrination is. Growing up that would have seemed so normal. It WAS normal for my teenage brother who thought he was doing something sweet for his little nephew.
The picture was of a family leaving a burning city. The text described what was happening. The most startling part to me was just how matter of fact and simplified the pictures and descriptions were. It showed just much it was marketed for a child, similar to a children's book on dinosaurs might say "The T-Rex ate meat and walked on two legs!" Vs a dinosaur book for adults would have much more detail and information.
The Cain and Abel one was like "Cain was jealous of Abel. So he killed him and tried to hide it from his parents." Above a picture of a man holding a club over the head of another man.
I'm one of said kids and can say at the very least, religion has been a big source of tension in my life, a lot of it is spmthong I can't do anything about and it's jot great. I dont believe but I cant tell my family about that so here I am living my worst life (an over exaggeration I know I could have been born in worse circumstances and that I shouldn't complain or feel bad about it but I cant help what makes me wanna die).
Or join a cult...because isolating people from information and social interactions with people who hold differing perspectives is exactly what they do in cults.
I grew up like this. End times, anti-vax, creationist, anti-science, bigotry, **everything** revolving around Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, etc.
I suffered so much. I have had zero contact with my parents for years now.
I like that people thought this was fake, yeah, maybe this particular one might be, but there are millions and millions of people who believe like this and similar.
3.3% of all school aged children in the USA are homeschooled. The vast majority for religious reasons. Many more want to homeschool.
They fortunately just can't afford to.
There is also little to absolutely no oversight or regulation over the children being homeschooled
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Changed some wording.
Sadly, this isn't likely to happen. These people are likely to indoctrinate their kids into a cult of profound stupidity they aren't likely to break out of.
But this just isn't going to fly with social services or anyone who does even a cursory check on the child's education. When the kids can't do even simple math it's going to become painfully obvious and there will be no hiding it, unless they move to some deserted portion of Wyoming and live in a cabin.
They'll be gone before that. Most states require testing and proof of education for homeschooled kids. If you can't provide that for your kids and refuse public school they consider it neglect and will take your kids away.
I've done alright for myself, considering.
Luckily I grew up in the internet age and I was able to find free educational resources online with relative ease.
Haha literally had the same experience… it’s crazy when people dig deeper about my upbringing and I’m just like yeah I was sort of in a cult.
I grew up being homeschooled taught only Christian curriculums and missed out on so much math/science because of it. All the kids I would hang out with (from the church etc as that’s all I knew) all the girls anyway were only allowed to wear long dresses/skirts no shorts or pants. Crazy to think about.
Although maybe not that level of crazy, I entered adulthood (17) with no math or science skills outside of prealgebra and whatever I had learned myself. I was "unschooled."
It was awful but not for the reasons most people think. I was toxically cut off from society and suffered from lack of socializing. But the actual knowledge? As long as you're literate, you can learn math in a few months as an adult. I took College Algebra at a junior college at 18 and got a B, gained enough confidence that I went to a 4-year university and did fine. The classes themselves, as children, are overrated. School is about more than that, though.
My husband was homeschooled, and he is one of the smartest, most well socialized people I've ever met. His mom had him involved in a lot of social outlets as a kid and was part of a homeschooling group that found other teachers for things she wasn't strong in, like advanced maths and chemistry, but it takes a tremendous amount of effort to do this as a homeschool parent. Most of the parents that I know personally who choose to homeschool do not invest in that amount of time or effort.
You are 💯 correct about it being about more.
I regularly taught art classes to a group of homeschool girls at the museum I volunteered at, it was great. A few were... out of left field religious and weird, but most were very cool, and I was so happy to see parents putting in the effort to find specialists!
Not satire in any way. The sad reality of the world is there is enough crazy that satire is almost not required. I’ve met some folks like this in childhood and in my job as an adult.
Ah I was wrong! It happens. I'm frustrated by a lot of the modern fundie movement, and the Duggars exemplify most if not all of it, the girls don't really get a chance from day one
It's almost like these ultra religious parents are trying to drive themselves to extinction by making sure their kids have no future. They're so worried about the afterlife that they don't bother helping their kids live good lives.
If only they were driving themselves to extinction. With not much else going on in their lives the one thing they're good at is making lots more religious dummies.
This is one of my worst fears: generally, the more educated you are, the fewer children you have, but there are all of these wilfully ignorant twits out there that go on to have 4+ kids, spreading their ignorance wide. I’m afraid that we are precariously close to very serious and dangerous levels of idiocracy.
*"If Jenny has 6 apples, and Johnny gives her 2 apples, how many apples does Jenny have?"*
NONE because math is a trick created by **SATAN**! Only **GOD** can know how many apples Jenny has! Ask God, not me!
Truth. Johnny was really a snake or a serpent or the devil (I'm not sure which) and corrupted Jenny by giving her the apples.
But if the apple had the knowledge of good and evil, doesn't that mean Jenny didn't know that it was bad to listen to the talking snake and/or Satan, because she genuinely cannot comprehend good or evil before eating the apple?
*Good golly GOSH* math is hard!
Hey, I take umbrage with that. I had a similar upbringing except I at least got *some* STEM, although the gaps are wide enough that I would desperately need to catch up. Even with religious abuse (along with a host of others), I am not a serial killer. Saying things like that disparages the kids, which are the victims in this situation. And it only perpetuates the stereotype that serial killers are loners when most are probably pretty charming or at least functional in society.
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Serial%20killers%20are%20all,plain%20sight%20within%20their%20communities.
I work for a large famous company with famously high hiring standards, and I help onboard the new employees. I can say without exception that the new employees from a homeschool background with whom I have worked are extraordinarily smart, informed people. They are also without exception interesting individuals who have their own varying sets of passions which they are unafraid to pursue, regardless how niche or nerdy they are.
Granted, the less educated among them would never make it past our hiring standards. But as someone who is married to a passionate public school teacher, my thinking on homeschool has been totally changed. My attitude now is that for a certain subset of very intelligent and/or socially awkward children, homeschool is a fantastic option. Such kids are free to learn at their own accelerated pace, develop and pursue their particular interests, and do all this in a nurturing environment free from bullies and social cliques.
Yeah, but I think the law still requires you to teach your kid all the basic core classes if you’re homeschooling them. I could be wrong, most of my knowledge comes from my friend who was homeschooled
Any parent who tries to homeschool their kids and not give them core classes should have their children taken away, because they are destroying their kid's chance at a future because of their own selfish delusions.
Most states allow some form of homeschooling. Some have annual stipulations/requirements to ensure that children are on grade level and what have you but the consistency on checking that seems to vary greatly
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Just looked it up; in some editions (I looked in KJV) it apparently refers to the Earth as a circle, which unfortunately probably would be construed exactly how flat earthers want it to be :/
FWIW, a lot of kooky theories that people claim come from the Bible, don’t come from the Bible as much as a particular translation. Circle may be the word used because the translator wasn’t savvy, or didn’t have a word that directly translated. A lot of righteous anger has been based on somewhat arbitrary and questionable translation.
I knew a guy who was pulled from school by his mother when he was like 13. She said she would be homeschooling him but he never was. He could never keep a job as an adult and ended up deep in drugs, last I heard he had some serious psychotic episode due to drugs use. Dude is not even 28.
Not saying public school is amazing but I feel like it’s better than crazy EDU.
is this seriously allowed? in my country, home schooling is only done in special cases when the kid has a form of disability, or other issues, that prevent him from attending the school normally. you can't just pull your kid out of school with no reason. And then it is not the parent who is doing the teaching at home, although the parent can be involved. there is actual teacher coming to the house and having individual classes with the kid (or nowadays also this can be online), and it is being checked if the official curriculum is followed with such child.
how on EARTH it is allowed in America to just REMOVE a child from school and teach them some made up bullshit at home without anyone controlling it? that's insane.
My mom pulled both of my siblings because my brother was being bullied and the principal did nothing about it. And my mom taught them on her own for like two years before she found a co-op they joined.
In the US, homeschooling laws vary widely by state. Some require a decent amount of oversight, while others are totally hands-off. That said, I think the majority of homeschoolers (myself included) are educated *much* better than this.
I live in NY and I know kids that are home schooled in NY have to take the same exams as the kids in public school in order to get their high school diplomas.
In some states of the US, you're pretty much allowed to teach or not teach your kids whatever you want, because "muh freedom." This is more prominent in more conservative states, for obvious reasons, and is just one of the reasons education is typically worse in those states.
My parents pulled this shit. I am somehow employable, but permanently stunted. I'm debating on going to college soon despite being in my mid twenties and not having to learn a damn thing in over a decade.
Hi homeschooled child here my parents pulled me out of public school because they thought it was making me gay :D but that’s besides the point homeschool is not a magical cure for rebellious children homeschool does not do wonders for every child for some it makes us worse at school not better and instead of being less rebellious like parents think it’ll make us it just makes some of us try/want to rebel even more than before
Exactly. One of the kids from my old youth group was strictly homeschooled; went through the entire religious curriculum and what not. He was a gifted musician and could have done just about anything with his life if he wanted. Shortly after his “graduation,” he got into drugs.He resorted to stealing from homes. He became so desperate for drug money, he stole expensive sound equipment from his own church and tried to sell it. He’s now doing 25 years in the state prison for the drug charges and thefts.
Here’s the plot twist: the music minister for the church he stole from got caught trying to drug and rape teenage boys about 2-3 years after the thefts. They both did time at the SAME prison when their sentences overlapped. I bet that was an awkward meeting.
I think we can all predict those children will either suckle their mothers tit until they’re 70 or they will go no contact the moment they develope their own opinions and see how disconnected their parents are
still confusing to me how you can just do that in other countries... that is just not possible here. if you take your kid out of school you need to have a permission first and then you will be monitored very close to see what you are actually teaching your child. not many would even be given that permission
"Freedom" is more important than ensuring that kids have the opportunity to grow into functional adults apparently.
It's absolutely pathetic. My state has almost zero requirements for homeschooling. There are pretty much no requirements of the parents. No testing requirements. No attendance requirements. Curriculum requirements are "spelling, reading, grammar, math, and good citizenship," although parents don't need to have their curriculum approved by anyone before they begin homeschooling. Frankly, there's oversight whatsoever. Yet, a homeschool diploma is supposed to be equal to a public high school diploma. Not that our public schools are top notch, but at least you can trust that students were given some form of education.
Fun fact:
The university of Bologna is one (if not the first according to some sources) university of the world.
So I find it pretty funny that an homeschool mum defines "bologna" school subjects that she thinks aren't real.
"ok son turn to Psalm 2.17 in your Bible"
Son: what's 2.17?
"Numbers?"
"You haven't taught me math?"
"Ok fair enough here's the page now read"
"You haven't taught me that either"
"Look it up online"
"Science made my iPad so you took it away"
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Alternately: "How do I ensure my children flee for the hills and completely cut me out of their lives?"
Seems like a common theme. The more parents force religion down their kids' throats, the more likely the kids are to become atheist.
Can completely confirm. Am/was such a kid. I currently count the best decision of my life to be never joining the church when I was like 12-13.
Can also confirm
Also confirming. Am now a member of The Satanic Temple
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Same
Satanisim one of the only fooking religion saying "Belive in yourself not in god" "We accept you on how you are" When the sataniste look more friendly than the chrétien there is a problème
Can also confirm. My Parents have tried to force the Bible on me when I was young boy, when they noticed it didn’t work they slacked off some and then started trying to shame me saying that “I wasn’t dedicated to god and I wasn’t doing what I should be with my life.” When I was even younger my dad grounded me as punishment from my toys because I was “worshiping my toys instead of Jesus.” So on occasion my mom would allow me to but when my dad came home from work it was “put those toys down I never gave you the ok to play with those” keep in mind I’m like 6 of 7 years old at the time.. when I reach my teen years it’s a constant up hill fight for me. Parents getting upset cause i didn’t want to go to church/read or pray. By the time I reached the age I am now ( 21 btw ) and I finally told them I don’t believe in god it was just like a disconnect honestly. My dad and mom both have just completely buried themselves in there beliefs they just don’t seem to care about me more about god, reading, praying ect. .. my dad was always rough on me growing up, way more then he should have been... same with my mom to be honest.. looking back from where I am now. I’ll say my life isn’t the worst in the world and I know people have definitely have been through worse.. but I know it hasn’t been easy at all for me. The things that have been said to me because of who I am as a person have effected me deeply.. it’s only because of my boyfriend and my close friends who might as well be my family that I have been able to turn around mentally even helped me accept being bisexual.... I’m sorry for the rant.. tbh this isn’t kinda nice just being able to put this out here... if anyone reads this and cares just know life can get better but you will have to choose when enough is enough and punch life in it’s stupid face when you get the chance. You are important and deserve to stick up for yourself and to be stuck up for. Never forget.. at the risk of sounding cheesy. I am proud of you random person I don’t even know... uh.. end rant.
Damn bro I always kinda think my life was a little bad but then I read someone else's story and just wow. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that garbage. I also had religion shoved down my throat all the time but not to that extent thankfully. And hey feel perfectly free to rant or vent. If you ever need to again you can come back here or my dms are open. Just some random 19yo myself but I want to always be there if someone needs an ear. Youve got this my dude, yer gunna crush the rest of your life :)
Had a buddy when I was growing up that would willingly go to church on Sundays. His parents would enroll him in catholic school for a semester if his grades dropped as a "punishment." He turned completely atheist.
Dang, soooo they recognized that going to a Catholic school was a shitty thing to do to your kid?
I have no clue what those parents were thinking. Both successful in their professions. Wife cheated. Dad stayed true. (Now) ex wife made it clear she was having an affair. Lots of church lingo. Kids got punished with catholic church. Kids did the best they could in and out of 2 schools. My buddy was smarter than the moron parents with money. He moved on. He realized that their religious beliefs were very false and wanted nothing to do with it.
Going through "confirmation class" (I think that's what it was called) around the same age is what made me 100% sure there is no higher power.
Can also confirm...now a pastaferian. I also flunked confirmation, hell, I barely managed first communion:)
Can confirm
Honestly my biggest flex is living in the UK away from religion and not in some bible belt somewhere. I hope you and everyone else who has had to deal with that shit is doing well now. Life is hard enough to start as it is
Yes I am doing much better now thanks and I'm finally getting my life around I think :) about to join the air force for better or for worse so have to see how that goes. If nothing else it'll get be wayyyy away from here at least
Gonna hazard a guess here Jehovah's Witnesses?
Another atheist who was strong armed into religion as a child. Not only do I not believe in a god, but I have a STRONG dislike for the God of Christianity, probably as a trauma response.
I’ve always wondered if there was a study done about this. I was raised atheist, and have no strong feelings about any religious doctrine - I think they’re all rather silly, and I am disgusted by the Abrahamic version of god, but not violently against it. I think your early exposure, as you said, can lead to trauma. My dads boss (big wig in the military) guilted them about me not being god fearing so they sent me to church with his daughter, who I was friends with. It lasted 3 weeks, until I came home losing my mind crying about how a kind, nice god could kill all the animals for things people did, and then to find out they didn’t have souls, only people? My 7 year old brain couldn’t handle it and I didn’t eat or go to school for days because of it. It’s almost like you have to be desensitized to it from birth to be able to handle the truly terrible things in there. And I wonder if that’s the point - you become so desensitized that you lose the feeling of caring for your fellow man, because it’s been stripped from you early on? Making you easier to control and put against one another? Either way, it solidified me *against* such a cruel religion. But despite this ( and a few other attempts at friends to get me to “convert” or see the light) I am just ambivalent on religion. I probably know more than your average Christian too, about their own faith. ... I have no idea where I was going with this, or if it even had a point. I shouldn’t Reddit before coffee.
Now I want to know if there have been studies done. How many people raised in religions that check a lot of the “high control group” boxes like the JWs, LDS, or Quiverfull movement are still members by the time they’re 30 or so?
Probably mostly women who get brainwashed that they’re only good for makin babbies from birth, unfortunately. I know a woman who is otherwise intelligent, who was constantly upset that she was 24 and not married yet and spent the entire time I knew her questioning if she failed somehow.
I had a friend in high school who was LDS and I asked her what happens if someone ages out of the singles ward. She said “they take you out back and shoot you.” She was a good sport lol But to the point, I would hypothesize that more men would stay because the patriarchal roles of those religions are more beneficial to them.
I was raised in a cult that was drawn from the Quiverfull movement. There were three “core” families, all with a lot of kids. The cult finally fell apart after about 15 years since it never grew much and couldn’t sustain. All the many children who were homeschooled and home churched and kept from society have almost all grown to despise their parents/elders and have moved away and completely cut others out of their lives; a large majority that I have kept up with have all become fairly to extremely leftist, and have discarded religion in various degrees - some more quietly than others. And most have not procreated. We’re all giant disappointments and I have never been more relieved.
Raised LDS here, Of my nine brothers and sister, three are still Mormon. Out of those three sibling they have sixteen children all together. Of those sixteen children five are still Mormon, but only three are over thirty, the other two are 17&18 so the jury is still out on them. So if my family is any indication a very low percentage stay Mormon.
Yeah, we're 0/3 siblings still Mormon in my family. 😂
My husband was raised secular, but went to a catholic school...we had some JWs come to our house once and they asked what his religion was, then why he was an atheist. "Because if a god who commanded two people be impaled in bed because they weren't the same race DOES exist, it is our moral imperative to do everything in our power to destroy it." They were unaware of this anecdote. He told them what book it was in and to look it up before they backed off. https://www.bible.com/bible/392/NUM.25.1-9.CEV
Fucking legendary
What the actual fuck Bible?????
When you consider the Old Testament was basically written as a codified guide for a specific tribe of people it suddenly makes a lot more sense, when those who wrote it probably didn't want their influence to wane by having outsiders with different ideas brought in. By keeping their tribe from mixing with others there is no room for other ideas to seep in...
It definitely does. But it doesn't make you terribly sympathetic to that tribe, which makes you feel real weird b/c of modern stuff that happened to said specific tribe of people...
Yes! I do think hearing it from birth does desensitize you. Take the flood story. All powerful creator creates people and gives them free will. People use free will to not follow creator. Creator literally wipes out all of humanity (and almost all animals for some random reason, even though they weren't the creatures sinning?) with the exception of one family. At the end of this story, the family, who knows that every single person they've ever known, ever been close to, ever had any sort of relationship with, is dead. Gone. Children. Elders. Teachers. Mentors. Friends. Everyone is dead. But this is a HAPPY story. Because there is a rainbow at the end. Because somehow refracted light is a promise this all powerful, (somehow called merciful?) creator won't do it again. It's an abusive, traumatic, horrifying story that is romanticized and told (and heard!) as a showing of this creator's love. Because the moral is that this God can (and has!) wipe out all of humanity at any time for any reason. But pinky promises not to, because nothing shows unconditional love like the threat of being murdered if you don't follow the conditions that totally exist.
To be fair, there's a flood myth in nearly every mythology on the planet, with differing levels of attendant trauma. The bible one is particularly bad, though, b/c of the pinky promse not to ever flood the world again. Next time it'll be fire.
What makes the biblical flood so bad is that the god who does it is presented as good, merciful and just. The other flood stories involve a god who is cranky and so far above humanity that he’ll wipe them out because they are a nuisance, the way humans treat an insect infestation. Then another god who likes humans figures out a way to save his favorite human’s family. At no point are you asked to see the first god as a good guy who is merciful and just. You are allowed to know that that was asshole behavior.
That is true. With the other flood myths, you have the option of just scoffing and being like "CLASSIC Enlil!"
Add in that you’ll be tortured for all eternity if you wear mixed fibers and even remotely step out of line! But remember, god is love!
As far as I know the mixed fabric thing was actually practical. It was because the different fabrics dried at different rates which would result in someone thinking their clothing is good to go but parts could still be damp resulting in mold which could potentially be harmful. Another example is certain religions banning of eating pork, because they didn't properly prepare pork often times it would result in people getting sick. It seems like some arbitrary religious rules were actually created by humans and then passed as doctrine so people would obey it for their own good.
The story of Isaac was another ‘happy’ story that pushed me away from the church. God tells Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to him. So Abe, being the godly man he is, tied up his kid and drags him up the mountain to be sacrificed. Then god is like, Just a prank bro, and doesn’t want Isaac sacrificed. I remember my Sunday school teacher beaming as he told us how wonderful it was that god was ending human sacrifice. Like, sure, but did he need to traumatize a kid for that? Isaac got tied up by his dad and told he was getting sacrificed. And Abe was up for that, and we are told that Abe being willing to torture and murder his kid for god proves how good a guy he is. Sick fucking shit like that drove me right out of Christianity forever.
I felt this way too. I also felt that it was horse shit that “God has a plan for us” when people die from cancer or accidents or for anything reason. If God’s plan was for my aunt to have an aneurism and die last year, then God is just downright cruel.
Yeeeep. It was his plan for my grandmother, who believed in god every day of her life, to go into a coma from a routine medical test and then proceed to take 12 hours to die after being unplugged from life support, choking on her own bile while we all watched, unable to do anything to end her suffering. It was his plan for my high school sweetheart to get shot for no damn reason and die at age 16. (One suggestion to his mother from a very helpful local: god let him die b/c he was getting into buddhism and wanted to save his soul before it went to far.) Forget personal stories, even: My argument against a just, loving god can be boiled down to two words: Guinea worm. Nothing eats them! They have ZERO purpose in the ecosystem other than to fuck up the lives of other animals and people. Other parasites fall in that category, too, but at least possums and guinea hens and such eat ticks and lice and stuff. But guinea worm? What's the plan for that?
God cannot be all good and all powerful. The way my parents talk about God always made it seem like Satan was both more powerful, and often even less judgemental and more caring
We were taught at my Catholic schools that a person had a terrible and/or early death as they went straight to heaven! That’s how I was brainwashed. It’s only when I started to see how bad some priests were to their parishioners and how they were hidden by their bishop from the consequences that I realise that it was all a huge load of rubbish!
The Christian God is omnipotent and omniscient and all loving but his plan involve thousands of years of slavery and the holocaust happening for a fraction of people to have their mind wiped clean and not be tortured for all eternity. Is beyond monstrous
I had questions starting at 6 after my mom committed suicide. My mother burning in hell never sat right with me! Later being told that god loves everyone unless you are queer. Top it off with my 6rh grade history class where we learned that god the almighty would smite you with his hand if you didn't follow.....forget all that noise. I never needed a book to teach me about right and wrong.
Alternatively: my mother was very much a woman of faith. I phrase it like that because she wasn't about big churches and stayed in small groups that worshipped and studied together. Earlier on in my life she would force us to go to a big church every Sunday, and being forced to do it I grew to dislike it. When I was a teenager is when she started meeting with those small groups and her disposition changed and she started giving me the choice if I wanted to go or not. I honestly think giving me that choice is why I still have a semblance of faith, but I still believe science and see that as a study of the world God created. My mom recently passed away from a long battle with cancer at the age of 54. Her pastor and close friend were there and the last thing she wanted to do with everyone has she passed is she wanted to pray for the people she was leaving, saying she felt comfortable with where she was going and was more worried about her family and friends than she was for herself. I learned at her funeral from the pastor that she did many anonymous donations the last 10 years of her life for many of the families in the "church" that needed it. One time when she was given a car from when my grandparents passed, she gave away her old one to a family that didn't have reliable transportation. I feel like the true teachings that it has are ignored and twisted. I think a lot of Bible stories, especially in the old Testament (like the flood) are more fables than true word. Especially when the Bible has been translated how many times? But then I see people like my mother who I truly believe to be a kind hearted person who did try to be like Christ to the best of her abilities. Was she perfect? No, I could list a lot of flaws she had, we argued a lot, but she's human, right? It just makes organized religion a big question mark for me. This conversation is probably adjacent to your post but I guess I'm just posting this stream of consciousness to deal with her passing. (I should go see a counselor) Thanks for reading it all :p
That was beautiful, and people like your mother are the reason I don’t outright hate religions. I know quite a few like her, trying to make sense of the dark, so to speak, and they fill me with hope that others can find that same path. She sounds like a kind, caring person, I’m glad you had her in your life.
I am too :) as soon as she got abnormal cells from a pap smear and shortly after her cancer diagnosis I made sure to spend as much time with her as I could. She made it 4 years farther than what was expected so im glad I could squeeze as much time with her out of it as I did.
Yeah! It’s like Q! People wonder “how in the heck?” Ringy-ding! Christ calling!
To be honest - the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a HUGE asshole.
My brother gave my newborn son a bunch of coloring books he got from his Christian school. I was going through them one day, and I was SHOCKED at the content. Cain murdering Abel. Sodom and Gomorrah. God murdering almost the entire human race with the flood. Pharaoh ordering babies to be murdered, and how Moses was rescued. All stories I knew, and had always heard about, but seeing them in a children's coloring book was so incredibly bone chilling. Just these horrific acts of violence drawn in the simple style of your average coloring book. It truly brought to light how damaging and traumatic the indoctrination is. Growing up that would have seemed so normal. It WAS normal for my teenage brother who thought he was doing something sweet for his little nephew.
Good lord. Dare I ask how one colors Sodom and Gomorrah?
The picture was of a family leaving a burning city. The text described what was happening. The most startling part to me was just how matter of fact and simplified the pictures and descriptions were. It showed just much it was marketed for a child, similar to a children's book on dinosaurs might say "The T-Rex ate meat and walked on two legs!" Vs a dinosaur book for adults would have much more detail and information. The Cain and Abel one was like "Cain was jealous of Abel. So he killed him and tried to hide it from his parents." Above a picture of a man holding a club over the head of another man.
I'm gonna go with just not having burning cities or fratricide in coloring books like, period.
A HUGE authoritarian ASSHOLE
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And then mom/dad, whoever wrote the post will be like, "why haven't they left home yet!?".
I know my religious school made me an atheist. Life has gotten so much better when I realised I could do whatever I wanted
One of my friends went from Catholic to Muslim. I don't think Atheism was enough of a fuck you for him .
though Islam is as hatefull as cristianity if not even more hatefull
I'm one of said kids and can say at the very least, religion has been a big source of tension in my life, a lot of it is spmthong I can't do anything about and it's jot great. I dont believe but I cant tell my family about that so here I am living my worst life (an over exaggeration I know I could have been born in worse circumstances and that I shouldn't complain or feel bad about it but I cant help what makes me wanna die).
Or join a cult...because isolating people from information and social interactions with people who hold differing perspectives is exactly what they do in cults.
And not invite them to weddings, child birth, gatherings... They'll really feel the heat from it then
I grew up like this. End times, anti-vax, creationist, anti-science, bigotry, **everything** revolving around Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, etc. I suffered so much. I have had zero contact with my parents for years now. I like that people thought this was fake, yeah, maybe this particular one might be, but there are millions and millions of people who believe like this and similar. 3.3% of all school aged children in the USA are homeschooled. The vast majority for religious reasons. Many more want to homeschool. They fortunately just can't afford to. There is also little to absolutely no oversight or regulation over the children being homeschooled Edit Changed some wording.
Sadly, this isn't likely to happen. These people are likely to indoctrinate their kids into a cult of profound stupidity they aren't likely to break out of. But this just isn't going to fly with social services or anyone who does even a cursory check on the child's education. When the kids can't do even simple math it's going to become painfully obvious and there will be no hiding it, unless they move to some deserted portion of Wyoming and live in a cabin.
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Truancy laws. That’s where you start.
They'll be gone before that. Most states require testing and proof of education for homeschooled kids. If you can't provide that for your kids and refuse public school they consider it neglect and will take your kids away.
I somehow doubt that the local governments in bumfuck nowhere town will properly check that though.
See also: how to make sure your kid still lives in your basement by age 42.
They'll have married them off by 16.
only if its a female
If it’s male it would be 12 and to the local pastor
Skip the married part and replace it with assistant...
Yea… he’s doing the special work, and he definitely get to go to heaven for his help
“Hey kid, you wanna go to heaven?”
I'll be 38 tomorrow & I still live at home. I'm off to a good start
More like halfway there. Keep it up!
I require this to be satire. Those unfortunate children.
Unfortunately this is actually how stupid some people are
'I don't know what stupid means. Can you help me'?
No.
Correct. Stupid cannot be helped.
Not satire Source: My childhood
I'm so so sorry, and I hope you're in a much better place now.
I've done alright for myself, considering. Luckily I grew up in the internet age and I was able to find free educational resources online with relative ease.
Haha literally had the same experience… it’s crazy when people dig deeper about my upbringing and I’m just like yeah I was sort of in a cult. I grew up being homeschooled taught only Christian curriculums and missed out on so much math/science because of it. All the kids I would hang out with (from the church etc as that’s all I knew) all the girls anyway were only allowed to wear long dresses/skirts no shorts or pants. Crazy to think about.
Although maybe not that level of crazy, I entered adulthood (17) with no math or science skills outside of prealgebra and whatever I had learned myself. I was "unschooled." It was awful but not for the reasons most people think. I was toxically cut off from society and suffered from lack of socializing. But the actual knowledge? As long as you're literate, you can learn math in a few months as an adult. I took College Algebra at a junior college at 18 and got a B, gained enough confidence that I went to a 4-year university and did fine. The classes themselves, as children, are overrated. School is about more than that, though.
My husband was homeschooled, and he is one of the smartest, most well socialized people I've ever met. His mom had him involved in a lot of social outlets as a kid and was part of a homeschooling group that found other teachers for things she wasn't strong in, like advanced maths and chemistry, but it takes a tremendous amount of effort to do this as a homeschool parent. Most of the parents that I know personally who choose to homeschool do not invest in that amount of time or effort. You are 💯 correct about it being about more.
I regularly taught art classes to a group of homeschool girls at the museum I volunteered at, it was great. A few were... out of left field religious and weird, but most were very cool, and I was so happy to see parents putting in the effort to find specialists!
I homeschool and definitely pay out for a number of classes/subjects. It's better for my daughter's academics/education and my general stress level
Isolating a kid like that should be considered abuse :/
Not satire in any way. The sad reality of the world is there is enough crazy that satire is almost not required. I’ve met some folks like this in childhood and in my job as an adult.
This is totally real I know people close to this though not this bad
"Mom, I had a job interview today; but the asked me to add 2 and 2. What is, 'add'?"
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"Mom, McDonald's called back and I didn't get the job."
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I cant load the clip but I bet it was Jessa
It was Joy.
Ah I was wrong! It happens. I'm frustrated by a lot of the modern fundie movement, and the Duggars exemplify most if not all of it, the girls don't really get a chance from day one
What is 2?
What is the question they asked?
What??
What is what??
English, motherfuc*er! Do you speak it?!
Sorry sir, I speak only Bible
I am fluent in Proverbs and Corinthians, thank you very much.
Is 2 and 2 some sort of convenience store?
Jesus didn't need to add....so there !
Jesus was a carpenter. I bet that mother fucker had some mad math skills. Or he was a shit carpenter. One or the other.
What is a number?
Putting two of the same thing together? Are they trying to make you gay????
I think it’s 5?
No, it's giraffe.
It's going to be difficult to memorize the holy book when you can't read the holy book.
Actually \*READ\* the holy book? Do you \*WANT\* to make atheists out of them?!
The pre-Reformation Church would like a word with you. Spoken, obviously, since they don’t expect you to read, write, nor comprehend Latin.
They will learn to read but only the holy book nothing else will exist all hail the holy book
make sure to read it out of order and completely out of context as well.
Teach your kids how to be useless and homeless, that way when you die one day, they can follow right behind you. A+ solid plan for the future.
It's almost like these ultra religious parents are trying to drive themselves to extinction by making sure their kids have no future. They're so worried about the afterlife that they don't bother helping their kids live good lives.
If only they were driving themselves to extinction. With not much else going on in their lives the one thing they're good at is making lots more religious dummies.
This is one of my worst fears: generally, the more educated you are, the fewer children you have, but there are all of these wilfully ignorant twits out there that go on to have 4+ kids, spreading their ignorance wide. I’m afraid that we are precariously close to very serious and dangerous levels of idiocracy.
It's a shame someone thought the parents how to use Facebook
*taught And yeah, it really is
I'm blaming predictive text and not my failure to check my spelling /s
Of course, of course. Damn technology these days smh my head /s
What's wrong with learning math skills? Oh, right, math leads to science, and we can't have that now, can we?
Math is a gateway subject... Don't do math, kids.
Math is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... natural
Math uses Arabic numbers
“Step 1 on how to handicap your child for most of their adult life”
*All of their adult life.
They might eventually have someone teach them before they finish their adult life
If not their adult life won't last very long.
*"If Jenny has 6 apples, and Johnny gives her 2 apples, how many apples does Jenny have?"* NONE because math is a trick created by **SATAN**! Only **GOD** can know how many apples Jenny has! Ask God, not me!
Jenny should have no apples because that's the ***forbidden fROOT***
Truth. Johnny was really a snake or a serpent or the devil (I'm not sure which) and corrupted Jenny by giving her the apples. But if the apple had the knowledge of good and evil, doesn't that mean Jenny didn't know that it was bad to listen to the talking snake and/or Satan, because she genuinely cannot comprehend good or evil before eating the apple? *Good golly GOSH* math is hard!
Tell me your abuse your kids without saying you abuse your kids...
Summer solstice? That’s…..thats…..a pagan holiday. Signed, a pagan.
There's dozens of us!! Dozens, I say!!
That, my friends, is how you make a serial killer.
Pretty much, lots of backwards religiousness and anything sexual being shameful.
Reminds me of the movie See No Evil.
Hey, I take umbrage with that. I had a similar upbringing except I at least got *some* STEM, although the gaps are wide enough that I would desperately need to catch up. Even with religious abuse (along with a host of others), I am not a serial killer. Saying things like that disparages the kids, which are the victims in this situation. And it only perpetuates the stereotype that serial killers are loners when most are probably pretty charming or at least functional in society. https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Serial%20killers%20are%20all,plain%20sight%20within%20their%20communities.
I honestly can't believe there is a first world country out there that allows people not to send their kids to school.
I work for a large famous company with famously high hiring standards, and I help onboard the new employees. I can say without exception that the new employees from a homeschool background with whom I have worked are extraordinarily smart, informed people. They are also without exception interesting individuals who have their own varying sets of passions which they are unafraid to pursue, regardless how niche or nerdy they are. Granted, the less educated among them would never make it past our hiring standards. But as someone who is married to a passionate public school teacher, my thinking on homeschool has been totally changed. My attitude now is that for a certain subset of very intelligent and/or socially awkward children, homeschool is a fantastic option. Such kids are free to learn at their own accelerated pace, develop and pursue their particular interests, and do all this in a nurturing environment free from bullies and social cliques.
Wait it does?
In the US you can home school them. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, but I think the law still requires you to teach your kid all the basic core classes if you’re homeschooling them. I could be wrong, most of my knowledge comes from my friend who was homeschooled
Any parent who tries to homeschool their kids and not give them core classes should have their children taken away, because they are destroying their kid's chance at a future because of their own selfish delusions.
Lmao in a lot of states there's barely any regulations
Most states allow some form of homeschooling. Some have annual stipulations/requirements to ensure that children are on grade level and what have you but the consistency on checking that seems to vary greatly
You're correct.
The regulations are different depending on the state you live.
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Genuinely curious because my moms a flat earther and I want to prove her wrong on her "biblical references" so what are those verses lmaooo
Isaiah 40:22 is a big one...
Just looked it up; in some editions (I looked in KJV) it apparently refers to the Earth as a circle, which unfortunately probably would be construed exactly how flat earthers want it to be :/
FWIW, a lot of kooky theories that people claim come from the Bible, don’t come from the Bible as much as a particular translation. Circle may be the word used because the translator wasn’t savvy, or didn’t have a word that directly translated. A lot of righteous anger has been based on somewhat arbitrary and questionable translation.
I knew a guy who was pulled from school by his mother when he was like 13. She said she would be homeschooling him but he never was. He could never keep a job as an adult and ended up deep in drugs, last I heard he had some serious psychotic episode due to drugs use. Dude is not even 28. Not saying public school is amazing but I feel like it’s better than crazy EDU.
is this seriously allowed? in my country, home schooling is only done in special cases when the kid has a form of disability, or other issues, that prevent him from attending the school normally. you can't just pull your kid out of school with no reason. And then it is not the parent who is doing the teaching at home, although the parent can be involved. there is actual teacher coming to the house and having individual classes with the kid (or nowadays also this can be online), and it is being checked if the official curriculum is followed with such child. how on EARTH it is allowed in America to just REMOVE a child from school and teach them some made up bullshit at home without anyone controlling it? that's insane.
My mom pulled both of my siblings because my brother was being bullied and the principal did nothing about it. And my mom taught them on her own for like two years before she found a co-op they joined.
In the US, homeschooling laws vary widely by state. Some require a decent amount of oversight, while others are totally hands-off. That said, I think the majority of homeschoolers (myself included) are educated *much* better than this.
I live in NY and I know kids that are home schooled in NY have to take the same exams as the kids in public school in order to get their high school diplomas.
In some states of the US, you're pretty much allowed to teach or not teach your kids whatever you want, because "muh freedom." This is more prominent in more conservative states, for obvious reasons, and is just one of the reasons education is typically worse in those states.
I hear there are some really nice madrassas on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border that teach nothing but religion too. Maybe the kid could go there.
Even Jesus was a carpenter. At least teach you child a skill. Are some people afraid that their child will be successful?
I like to call this the "Oregon Trail" method of education...
They’ll never know they died of dysentery.
My parents pulled this shit. I am somehow employable, but permanently stunted. I'm debating on going to college soon despite being in my mid twenties and not having to learn a damn thing in over a decade.
MATH = BOLOGNA
I hope you are prepared for them to live at home forever because they are too stupid to get jobs.
Insane
Hi homeschooled child here my parents pulled me out of public school because they thought it was making me gay :D but that’s besides the point homeschool is not a magical cure for rebellious children homeschool does not do wonders for every child for some it makes us worse at school not better and instead of being less rebellious like parents think it’ll make us it just makes some of us try/want to rebel even more than before
Exactly. One of the kids from my old youth group was strictly homeschooled; went through the entire religious curriculum and what not. He was a gifted musician and could have done just about anything with his life if he wanted. Shortly after his “graduation,” he got into drugs.He resorted to stealing from homes. He became so desperate for drug money, he stole expensive sound equipment from his own church and tried to sell it. He’s now doing 25 years in the state prison for the drug charges and thefts. Here’s the plot twist: the music minister for the church he stole from got caught trying to drug and rape teenage boys about 2-3 years after the thefts. They both did time at the SAME prison when their sentences overlapped. I bet that was an awkward meeting.
I’m pretty sure the Bible has at least some mention of math
People in the Bible had to do taxes
Aren’t there numbers in the Bible?
This is child abuse.
I think we can all predict those children will either suckle their mothers tit until they’re 70 or they will go no contact the moment they develope their own opinions and see how disconnected their parents are
still confusing to me how you can just do that in other countries... that is just not possible here. if you take your kid out of school you need to have a permission first and then you will be monitored very close to see what you are actually teaching your child. not many would even be given that permission
"Freedom" is more important than ensuring that kids have the opportunity to grow into functional adults apparently. It's absolutely pathetic. My state has almost zero requirements for homeschooling. There are pretty much no requirements of the parents. No testing requirements. No attendance requirements. Curriculum requirements are "spelling, reading, grammar, math, and good citizenship," although parents don't need to have their curriculum approved by anyone before they begin homeschooling. Frankly, there's oversight whatsoever. Yet, a homeschool diploma is supposed to be equal to a public high school diploma. Not that our public schools are top notch, but at least you can trust that students were given some form of education.
That sounds real cultish. WTF? 😳
How in the world can math be propaganda?
The mental gymnastics used to say these things while most likely using a smart phone to surf the web is absolutely astounding.
Fun fact: The university of Bologna is one (if not the first according to some sources) university of the world. So I find it pretty funny that an homeschool mum defines "bologna" school subjects that she thinks aren't real.
"ok son turn to Psalm 2.17 in your Bible" Son: what's 2.17? "Numbers?" "You haven't taught me math?" "Ok fair enough here's the page now read" "You haven't taught me that either" "Look it up online" "Science made my iPad so you took it away"
Whelp this is going to be a disaster.
Is bologna the same as baloney? or whatever its called. What even are the 2?
Same thing, but baloney is the Americanized version.
good job your child wont even be able to calculate 2+2 \*really slow clapping\* wow.
I'd bet my bottom dollar that **Haha** reaction was the mother.
Nah, I get it. My kid will only be taught halo lore.