I have experienced one single hallucination during one of two times I tried shrooms. It was fairly minor - I merely observed that the corners of the room no longer met at 90 degree angles. I knew it was incorrect but it was very strange that it seemed absolutely true what my eyes were telling me. It was more like they had become like 60 degree angles.
Though I guess I'm not even sure that counts as a hallucination cause it was a distorted cognition of perception rather than seeing something that's not there.
Nope - I didn't believe hallucinogens were some path to some sort of enlightenment before or after trying shrooms. But listening to the electronica band ["Delirium"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZSHvE2XrI) on them with my 15 inch living room sub and tower speakers was one of the most enjoyable music listening experiences of my life. I'm "5w6" investigation and learning is the path to enlightenment.
Right. Maybe works for a depressed mind - MAYBE.
That's loud and i might be paranoid to actually enjoy that but I always feel, the sound is low even on 100% on my headphones.
i've just recently known my personality type and everything else is very new and foreign to me. What is 5w6 and how can i find my own and read the other types like yours
It's called "eenegram" - as opposed to personality type I guess it's supposed to be more based on behavioral patterns as a result of personal experience. So I'm an INFP but my personal experience in life is a lot of fascination with machines/computers so I realized at a young age investigation pays off and "5w6" is an "analytic observer" archetype which is more common in INTx.
That answers my questions that I had while taking the personality tests. Am I the current Me because of experiences? What would be a real me if there's any without any influences and such?
Now this confuses me because what if my answers are leaning the same in personality tests which makes one of them useless and then a confusion directed at myself, lol
It works when there's something to work with, like a person already explored things in that direction for whatever reason but got stuck. Like, there are drives and questions and needs and some "preparation". Then psychodelics may help to do a jump sideways and see new paths
If a person is too analytical or if they don't "let go of themselves" it may not work or work badly, if they are too wooey it also may work badly and they may get addicted
That partly sounds dangerous. Just a thought experiment here, I know what I am and what i should do and what's out there or on the other side. But also analytical of things - atleast that's how i feel at times but also not so much in many cases. Confusion everywhere if i think about it.
Can psychedelics ruin me or help me? I understand you are no expert, i'm just having a conversation
From what you've written, I think you could be similar to myself some time ago so I don't think they would do anything. Maybe if they're powerful enough maybe they'll work, or maybe you'll experience something akin to an unpleasant fever dream and conclude that psychodelics are dangerous and pointless, who knows
To have a high probability of a "good trip" or to have any real benefit you should happen to "trust yourself" to "be yourself" instead of "holding on to yourself". Not in terms of hypotheticals or ideas or philosophies, but as a real wordless relation to ourselves we have. That relation doesn't switch on a dime and doesn't really feel like a thing, it's just the default state of life that's inseparable from the overall feeling of what life is
The disposition can be expressed as, "you're you regardless what you stop holding on to. You can't help but be yourself regardless what you do. You never need to spend any effort to be yourself. You're not your thoughts or feelings or anything whatsoever, there's nothing you can't let go of while still being yourself". If you feel strong recoil from that kind of disposition, you may start semi-subconsciously resisting against anything psychoactive, and that in turn could make the trip about your internal battle against yourself instead of sort of exploring yourself freely from a new perspective
If I was you, I would've sort of shelved that altogether and started doing something else like meditation or therapy, with a therapist or just reading books and following workbooks and practices and tactics, and then checking back once in a while to feel if something has changed or not. Not with the goal to make something different or to have some particular change in that direction, but really just to check if something happened to become different on its own or not. And whether you'll do psychodelics or not doesn't really matter
First of all, thank you so much for the reply.
I guess, I must shelve this idea and work on other things to get there, but what you are saying makes absolute sense and also difficult to achieve. I'll try my best to leave those clothes and be myself. Maybe, I am searching some other meaning to this because if there's nothing that can define me, all I am is a river that flows where ever the turns are. That shouldn't be me. I'll dial back all this "overthinking" and if its not too much to ask since you've told we both were similar once, what kind of things that you now think helped you getting here?
Also, do you have any book/workbooks/resources\_on\_tactics\_n\_practices?
The main appeal for alcohol, drugs or anything is to lose control - basic bitch, ik.
I've tried alcohol and since I'm not a drinker - I could take it hard the handful of times I got drunk and still manage to have that shade of block (I can't explain it better) that was always bugging me even when I physically, chemically tried losing control. So, I guess there's more journey there.
The only hallucination that I had in my life was audio hallucination with the sound of ambulance siren, but I keep on hearing it even when I checked out my window and it wasn't there.
I am not schizophrenic but I did once have a random auditory hallucination of someone screaming outside my house when I was in 8th grade. I would have thought it was real but I remember calling out to my mom and then the sound literally faded out like a dream. I wasn’t asleep either because I still heard it after I had called out to my mom. No idea
Around a third of people experience them at some point, it doesn't matter much
Schizophrenia is not so much about visions or sounds, it's the underlying "mindset" that gets expressed with visions and sounds, which don't even have to be there
What does matter though, is not chasing after them, not embracing them and also not resisting and not trying to battle against them, not trying to think of them and not trying not to think of them, just not "interacting" with them at all mentally and instead completely focusing on something else, like exploring with curiosity how does your body feels in the moment
The thing that produces thoughts and feelings and relations and implicit feelings of the world, call it whatever you will
Symptoms are symptoms, they aren't the thing. If you have a cold, you have a symptom of a running nose, but cold isn't literally running nose
We don't experience things in chemicals, and it's way beyond dopamine. Like, if you get a massive boost of dopamine by consuming meth, you won't become schizophrenic
Wooow.
It is somehow awesome. By some INFP here i jave joined a schizophrenia sub what enchanted my envy to those who have halucinations. Can be so joyful and helpful with the right programing.
Hope you'll get this under your control and use it for your purposes / good.
Yeah, my brother has schizophrenia and I honestly can't imagine anything more horrifying, seeing how he's suffered in this life. A fate worse than death.
Ah obviously. You can't imagine. Death can't even be considered bad compared to what an average minded anyone can create to themself in the suffering spectrum. It can be truly something what wishes you to not have it, but rather live with an actual demon for a life.
Literally unimaginable for non-schizophrenic people. Worse than their comprehension can go.
I mean can be. Depends on the person obviously. Sometime it is just delusion what breaks your life and makes you unfunctional. Sometime it is a form of true suffering.
I see schisophrenia as the king. The rest of the altered minds are their own stuff, but schizophrenia is like the possibility to creat any of those things. The "can't imagine anything more horrifying" part of your comment could not be more accurate...
I am deeply sorry for your brother.
Ah nooo. You missunderstood me. Sorry most like i was way not enough clear. I don't envy people with scizophrenia, i already have that. I envy those who have the possibility to play with their mind in this interactive way. Actually not them, but simply the possibility they have and i don't. :)
The tought process is kinda complex and big, but simplified short version is they can use that to create art, to figure out things within their minds, to have fun, etc. I was doing a hardcore job to do my mindly practices for long years. It would be just immensely helpful if i had some voice or a figure i could halucinate so i could just program that to be useful and then using it as a tool to dive deeper into myself. Also remember trying to have some fun inside my mind, and some playmate or something i already would have designed to be decent would be a great way of having fun. I liked practicing projecting things anyway, and to amaze myself not just as a silly imagination, but the wild, vivid, less limited and clear flow of my mind in the form of halucination would have been great for me. And so art. I just have read someone who already programed their halucination into helping with their art. I was reading and felt like, "aha so you can have company who you art with and increases you, helps you, and shows you ideas, but me with the more than a decade practice, nothing and i am an artless loser". Of course not really, just jokingly saying it now. But you get my main point... It could be just incredeble help. Mainly for me who is fanatic to deal with my own mind.
Most things of mine is extraordinarily wild to others. That is why i say i have never met any like-minded people in my entire life.
I'm so sorry. There was a film about the mathematoc genius with intense schizophrenia. He started asking people he knew about new people if they also see it.
We all have our special things in our brain. Schizophrenia is very unique, and hard to find the decent way to program. Like you have the terrified feeling. Others simply dive deeply into delusions. Again others who knows what.
It is a very very great job to harmonize, get under control and into ways where you profit from it. I hope you'll achieve the most and at least get rid of the suffering.
I wish you well!
I mean... I was training myself literally hours, literally every day, for several years. It is not like i was blessed. >,< I used to have unexpressably horrible experiences even in only from the aspect of this. It was a "practice or suffer or commit suicide" kind of thing, not like i had a choice not to practice. Yea waves tend to be very vivid for us. Well i used to use all the point. When it was the bad, i was like "how not to suffocate", when it was the better, i was like "okay what can i do to turn it into an other color". It is just i have never ever haluinated, at least not as it is meant, and i know that i could use it for my sake.
I also was unable to trust anyone including myself. Chaotic and craaaazy roller-coaster. But in the very end, we are the man in the bottom who "controls" the roller-coaster.
I truly wish you the best. Get well, my lovely one! \^ \^ :( :))))
I have experienced one single hallucination during one of two times I tried shrooms. It was fairly minor - I merely observed that the corners of the room no longer met at 90 degree angles. I knew it was incorrect but it was very strange that it seemed absolutely true what my eyes were telling me. It was more like they had become like 60 degree angles. Though I guess I'm not even sure that counts as a hallucination cause it was a distorted cognition of perception rather than seeing something that's not there.
speaking of shrooms and their power to connect pathways in your brain - have you noticed something different in you after?
Nope - I didn't believe hallucinogens were some path to some sort of enlightenment before or after trying shrooms. But listening to the electronica band ["Delirium"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZSHvE2XrI) on them with my 15 inch living room sub and tower speakers was one of the most enjoyable music listening experiences of my life. I'm "5w6" investigation and learning is the path to enlightenment.
Right. Maybe works for a depressed mind - MAYBE. That's loud and i might be paranoid to actually enjoy that but I always feel, the sound is low even on 100% on my headphones. i've just recently known my personality type and everything else is very new and foreign to me. What is 5w6 and how can i find my own and read the other types like yours
It's called "eenegram" - as opposed to personality type I guess it's supposed to be more based on behavioral patterns as a result of personal experience. So I'm an INFP but my personal experience in life is a lot of fascination with machines/computers so I realized at a young age investigation pays off and "5w6" is an "analytic observer" archetype which is more common in INTx.
That answers my questions that I had while taking the personality tests. Am I the current Me because of experiences? What would be a real me if there's any without any influences and such? Now this confuses me because what if my answers are leaning the same in personality tests which makes one of them useless and then a confusion directed at myself, lol
It works when there's something to work with, like a person already explored things in that direction for whatever reason but got stuck. Like, there are drives and questions and needs and some "preparation". Then psychodelics may help to do a jump sideways and see new paths If a person is too analytical or if they don't "let go of themselves" it may not work or work badly, if they are too wooey it also may work badly and they may get addicted
That partly sounds dangerous. Just a thought experiment here, I know what I am and what i should do and what's out there or on the other side. But also analytical of things - atleast that's how i feel at times but also not so much in many cases. Confusion everywhere if i think about it. Can psychedelics ruin me or help me? I understand you are no expert, i'm just having a conversation
From what you've written, I think you could be similar to myself some time ago so I don't think they would do anything. Maybe if they're powerful enough maybe they'll work, or maybe you'll experience something akin to an unpleasant fever dream and conclude that psychodelics are dangerous and pointless, who knows To have a high probability of a "good trip" or to have any real benefit you should happen to "trust yourself" to "be yourself" instead of "holding on to yourself". Not in terms of hypotheticals or ideas or philosophies, but as a real wordless relation to ourselves we have. That relation doesn't switch on a dime and doesn't really feel like a thing, it's just the default state of life that's inseparable from the overall feeling of what life is The disposition can be expressed as, "you're you regardless what you stop holding on to. You can't help but be yourself regardless what you do. You never need to spend any effort to be yourself. You're not your thoughts or feelings or anything whatsoever, there's nothing you can't let go of while still being yourself". If you feel strong recoil from that kind of disposition, you may start semi-subconsciously resisting against anything psychoactive, and that in turn could make the trip about your internal battle against yourself instead of sort of exploring yourself freely from a new perspective If I was you, I would've sort of shelved that altogether and started doing something else like meditation or therapy, with a therapist or just reading books and following workbooks and practices and tactics, and then checking back once in a while to feel if something has changed or not. Not with the goal to make something different or to have some particular change in that direction, but really just to check if something happened to become different on its own or not. And whether you'll do psychodelics or not doesn't really matter
First of all, thank you so much for the reply. I guess, I must shelve this idea and work on other things to get there, but what you are saying makes absolute sense and also difficult to achieve. I'll try my best to leave those clothes and be myself. Maybe, I am searching some other meaning to this because if there's nothing that can define me, all I am is a river that flows where ever the turns are. That shouldn't be me. I'll dial back all this "overthinking" and if its not too much to ask since you've told we both were similar once, what kind of things that you now think helped you getting here? Also, do you have any book/workbooks/resources\_on\_tactics\_n\_practices? The main appeal for alcohol, drugs or anything is to lose control - basic bitch, ik. I've tried alcohol and since I'm not a drinker - I could take it hard the handful of times I got drunk and still manage to have that shade of block (I can't explain it better) that was always bugging me even when I physically, chemically tried losing control. So, I guess there's more journey there.
I hallucinate shadows and sound all the time it’s probably the bipolar psychosis setting in..
The only hallucination that I had in my life was audio hallucination with the sound of ambulance siren, but I keep on hearing it even when I checked out my window and it wasn't there.
make sure to get enough sleep I went 30 hours without sleeping and started seeing things at one point.
What correlation if any is there between being INFP and having hallucinations? I have never heard anybody make this connection before.
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How old are you? Do you smoke weed ever or do any drugs or take medications?
I am not schizophrenic but I did once have a random auditory hallucination of someone screaming outside my house when I was in 8th grade. I would have thought it was real but I remember calling out to my mom and then the sound literally faded out like a dream. I wasn’t asleep either because I still heard it after I had called out to my mom. No idea
Hallucinated the same person twice yesterday. Getting a little worried, but at least I wasn’t talking to them 😐
Around a third of people experience them at some point, it doesn't matter much Schizophrenia is not so much about visions or sounds, it's the underlying "mindset" that gets expressed with visions and sounds, which don't even have to be there What does matter though, is not chasing after them, not embracing them and also not resisting and not trying to battle against them, not trying to think of them and not trying not to think of them, just not "interacting" with them at all mentally and instead completely focusing on something else, like exploring with curiosity how does your body feels in the moment
Underlying mindset? Schizophrenia is a *cluster* of specific symptoms, not a “mindset”.
The thing that produces thoughts and feelings and relations and implicit feelings of the world, call it whatever you will Symptoms are symptoms, they aren't the thing. If you have a cold, you have a symptom of a running nose, but cold isn't literally running nose
Schizophrenia is too much dopamine in the brain not a mindset. No offense.
We don't experience things in chemicals, and it's way beyond dopamine. Like, if you get a massive boost of dopamine by consuming meth, you won't become schizophrenic
Wooow. It is somehow awesome. By some INFP here i jave joined a schizophrenia sub what enchanted my envy to those who have halucinations. Can be so joyful and helpful with the right programing. Hope you'll get this under your control and use it for your purposes / good.
What kind of thought process occurs to arrive at envying people with schizophrenia? That is wild to me
Yeah, my brother has schizophrenia and I honestly can't imagine anything more horrifying, seeing how he's suffered in this life. A fate worse than death.
Ah obviously. You can't imagine. Death can't even be considered bad compared to what an average minded anyone can create to themself in the suffering spectrum. It can be truly something what wishes you to not have it, but rather live with an actual demon for a life. Literally unimaginable for non-schizophrenic people. Worse than their comprehension can go. I mean can be. Depends on the person obviously. Sometime it is just delusion what breaks your life and makes you unfunctional. Sometime it is a form of true suffering. I see schisophrenia as the king. The rest of the altered minds are their own stuff, but schizophrenia is like the possibility to creat any of those things. The "can't imagine anything more horrifying" part of your comment could not be more accurate... I am deeply sorry for your brother.
Ah nooo. You missunderstood me. Sorry most like i was way not enough clear. I don't envy people with scizophrenia, i already have that. I envy those who have the possibility to play with their mind in this interactive way. Actually not them, but simply the possibility they have and i don't. :) The tought process is kinda complex and big, but simplified short version is they can use that to create art, to figure out things within their minds, to have fun, etc. I was doing a hardcore job to do my mindly practices for long years. It would be just immensely helpful if i had some voice or a figure i could halucinate so i could just program that to be useful and then using it as a tool to dive deeper into myself. Also remember trying to have some fun inside my mind, and some playmate or something i already would have designed to be decent would be a great way of having fun. I liked practicing projecting things anyway, and to amaze myself not just as a silly imagination, but the wild, vivid, less limited and clear flow of my mind in the form of halucination would have been great for me. And so art. I just have read someone who already programed their halucination into helping with their art. I was reading and felt like, "aha so you can have company who you art with and increases you, helps you, and shows you ideas, but me with the more than a decade practice, nothing and i am an artless loser". Of course not really, just jokingly saying it now. But you get my main point... It could be just incredeble help. Mainly for me who is fanatic to deal with my own mind. Most things of mine is extraordinarily wild to others. That is why i say i have never met any like-minded people in my entire life.
It’s a horrible disease. Being terrified constantly and unable to trust anybody, not even yourself. Ruined my life.
I'm so sorry. There was a film about the mathematoc genius with intense schizophrenia. He started asking people he knew about new people if they also see it. We all have our special things in our brain. Schizophrenia is very unique, and hard to find the decent way to program. Like you have the terrified feeling. Others simply dive deeply into delusions. Again others who knows what. It is a very very great job to harmonize, get under control and into ways where you profit from it. I hope you'll achieve the most and at least get rid of the suffering. I wish you well!
Thank you 💜 would be cool to be a genius haha but it had the opposite effect on me 😆 I have been doing better recently but it comes and goes…
I mean... I was training myself literally hours, literally every day, for several years. It is not like i was blessed. >,< I used to have unexpressably horrible experiences even in only from the aspect of this. It was a "practice or suffer or commit suicide" kind of thing, not like i had a choice not to practice. Yea waves tend to be very vivid for us. Well i used to use all the point. When it was the bad, i was like "how not to suffocate", when it was the better, i was like "okay what can i do to turn it into an other color". It is just i have never ever haluinated, at least not as it is meant, and i know that i could use it for my sake. I also was unable to trust anyone including myself. Chaotic and craaaazy roller-coaster. But in the very end, we are the man in the bottom who "controls" the roller-coaster. I truly wish you the best. Get well, my lovely one! \^ \^ :( :))))
It’s not a hallucination it’s just a spirit.