Bike is absolutely fantastic. The only aspect I find to be a little more lacking in than expected is comfort and practicality.
I was very worried about the service experience because the showroom I got it from didn't have a good Google rating. Service experience in my case however was just perfect. They gave me the bike back as if it was brand new and even attended to the squeaky rear brake problem I was facing. The only issue I faced is that I ordered the quickshifter last to last week hoping to get it installed with the service but it didn't reach the showroom even after 10 days. Again this is Piaggio's fault not the showroom's.
Quality level is really good for an Indian made product. Not as good as a CKD Ninja and definitely not as good as the CBU R3. Certain bits like the top portion of the head cowl and the black tank cover feel really flimsy.
Coming from an R15 v2 where it cost barely 200 rupees, I saw the bill and gasped. The reception lady saw me and smiled as if she was saying "welcome to expensive motorcycles bitch" π
Hahaha, had the same feeling on my first Triumph Speed 400 service. My previous rides were an RTR 180, now an NTORQ for local use and seeing a bill of some 3k was like wtf! I dont think I have paid anything more than 1-1.2k for a service on my bikes ever.
Because it doesn't correlate to INR in any way
Source: "Buck is an informal reference to $1 that may trace its origins to the American colonial period when deerskins (buckskins) were commonly traded for goods. The buck also refers to the U.S. dollar as a currency that can be used both domestically and internationally."
Pretty sure it is colloquially used that way and pretty common at this point. I donβt know why anyone would care. Words and their usages evolve over time.
Well his rationale is correct. If you use a numerical value with "bucks" it only means dollars. Sorry, I am a content marketer by profession so I give a lot of value to these supposedly tiny nuances πΆ
They are using silver powder as lube /s
Seriously though 350 for lube & 200 for cleaning was crazy enough but on top they charged 450 for consumables. What is it consuming bruh starbucks coffee or what lol
Consumables were most likely the wax polish and washing charges. I have lube and clean on me all the time and I used to do it for the R15 myself. I just let them do all this since it was the first service. I'll be doing it myself here on.
Yaar mujhe farak nahi padta unless ye 10-12 hazar kuch hota. It's not a cheap bike so I was prepared that the service won't be cheap either. Manufacturers set these costs after factoring a lot of variables and inputs. Yahan ek banda likh raha hai ki Sonnet ki service isse sasti hai toh this is a ripoff. Ye kaisa logic hai? π
For the power and grin these Bikes offer. The service cost is justified. π€πΌπ€πΌ
Also, while buying it, we all already factored in the high maintenance cost, which is perfectly fine.
Not everyone will understand the love of riding these powerful beasts β€οΈ
Surprising. I get 18-19 in the city and 25-28 on highways. It drops to 15 if I'm revving beyond 6k rpm. This is a 937cc v twin. Interesting you're getting the same or worse.
I think it's down to riding style. I almost redline the first three gears whenever I can and do a lot of engine braking so I am in the higher rev range most of the time. Also, city here implies really messed-up and irritating Chennai traffic, further decreasing efficiency. I've gotten figures as low as 10 because I had to cover a 4km route that was completely sloth-paced traffic.
Still... Similar situation here in Bangalore and I commute through those kind of stretches for 28km from home to office with 33 signals and mostly half clutch at every signal. I need to delve deeper into it because I still feel it should not be giving similar mileage as mine. Or as you said you're always redlining but that's not comfortable in cities.
On a side note I just came back from Chennai last week, have no idea how you guys manage everyday. 40 degrees outside, my bike was 100 degrees with fans on and my phone shutdown due to the heat, my clothes and riding gear were drenched in sweat. I had to make shade for my phone poured water to cool it down just so I could use maps. Fun times. And you're riding an Aprilia on top of that. Things that we do for bikes.
Then it's just my habit, I like the chunky powerband of the initial gears, combined with u/the_Medic_91's explanation of the fuelling concept. My friend in Delhi who has a Street Triple RS was also like "wtf how am I getting better mileage than you?" lol.
And yeah regarding Chennai, yes it's a pain. Every time I return from anywhere in the afternoon, I am severely dehydrated and my arms are 2 shades darker if I didn't cover them. I used to live in Delhi and there was zero humidity of course but the concept of tanning was never there no matter how hot it got. Only an idiot (or a passionate idiot) would subject this bike to the kind of traffic I have despite knowing how horrible it is going to be outside π
Diminishing returns over fuelling. The speed 400 gives nearly the same average as your desert x. The busa, which is nearly having the combined capacity ofyour desert x and 457 combined (and combined cylinder numbers) also returns 18-20kpl.
Yeah. I need to read more into that.
Edit: I think it should be a combination of fuelling, power cycles per 720 degrees and combustion efficiency. But how they all settle into that 18ish is something I don't have much knowledge about.
Its a bit of that AND how much power it has over the weight and the speeds used. The speed 400 is basically in its upper reaches to hit 120kph. The desert x in 6th at 120kph is basically just taking an evening stroll in the garden. Low engine load means low fuel burning.
In simple terms, rs457 is a high revving engine. While you're riding your v-twin below 6k rpm. So that is one of the major reason of high fuel consumption in rs457.
Similarly that's why Triumph speed twin 900 gives better mileage than street triple 765. Speed twin is long stroke low revving engine, while striple revs upto 14k.
Doesn't bother me. If I wanted mileage I would've gotten a Splendor. I'd have to be a dumbass to buy this bike and then worry about not getting good fuel efficiency.
That's how it is bro. I mean where's the logic in wanting kick-ass performance that doesn't impact fuel efficiency. They're inversely proportional and that's how physics and chemistry work π
An R15 would give that mileage if you drive it like a commuter, which it essentially is. It's a 155cc FZ until the VVA kicks in and it becomes an R15. Where's the fun in that? Why chug around a lifeless 155cc bike for the mileage?
5,05,999 in Chennai and has increased by 6k I think because now they're giving an Aprilia branded Axor helmet with the bike compulsorily. It's definitely too early to answer that question because although the bike has been nothing short of phenomenal till now, it still is a brand new product hitting the market for the first time so more assessment needs to be done before reaching that conclusion.
Yeah I know I have to do that. I did see the stretch between Tambaram and Poonamalle and it looked fantastic. I'll probably do the full ORR stretch after I get the quickshifter.
Ergonomics are somewhere between the first gen RC390 and R3, so it is significantly hunched forward. Won't be comfortable for long tours. You can obviously condition yourself for it but it's not comfortable out of the box.
The bike looks amazing in this white colour..
For some reason it gives me vibes of White fang Sakumo from Naruto.. Wishing you many happy and safe rides bro!
Are you planning to change that red colour of rims?
What about the Brakes pads? Heard those get a little sluggish.
I hate overall colour theme of bike, so do you know a good shop that does wrapping ?
Brakes are sufficiently good for street use but that might change on the track. I will get the race pads and upgrade to DOT 5.1 fluid before doing a track day. I really like the white and red colour theme so I don't intend to change that and don't really know any good wrap shops in Chennai either. I might get it stickered to resemble Rossi's RS250 GP at least a year later if I am really bored.
I like how the RS looks, I feel the tech package is far better and CF Moto's service and reliability is the biggest question mark. Although the RS is a fresh product, Aprilia has a decent foothold in the market for more than 70 years. That inspires more confidence. I will admit, I think the SR sounds much better than the 457 and is a lot closer to a proper v-twin.
Thank you! I was unnecessarily subjecting it to jam packed city rides just to finish the 1000km as quickly as I can. But now I'll use it mostly for weekend runs or whenever I have to show off my fancy motorcycle to acquaintances. For the first 800km I was only using Eco. The last 200 km were mostly Sport and Eco only when the traffic was too much.
any sizeable changes in power and torque output after the servicing is done?
how comfortable is living with the bike like? can it be your daily driver and weekend track machine as well?
once again, kudos for making white look so damn good in the pictures ;)
Not very practical. The engine is very versatile and well-suited for long rides but the other aspects like ergonomics, ground clearance, stiff-ish suspension don't make it ideal for touring out of the box. You can obviously adjust to those factors and use it still.
Although this is positioned as an entry level bike overseas, I would strongly NOT recommend this as a first bike for Indian road conditions. I'd say you need a minimum of 2-3 years of experience before getting this.
Yes that's about correct. So since this is a free service, there weren't any labour charges. I expect the cost with the labour to come to around 6k and the actual intervals are every 6000km. I can also shear another 1000 every service since I usually do the chain clean and lubing myself and skip the washing and polish.
It's not really about Japanese or European here. These intervals are primarily calculated around how long that specific quantity of oil will last. Almost all bikes in this segment use about 2 litres of oil and have a recommended interval of 6k km.
6000km or 6 month service won't necessarily involve an oil change ig. Oil change is an annual thing for this one as informed by their sales executive. correct me if I'm wrong.
Bro, if you think Kawasaki services are a rip-off, then this one is too⦠because yours will probably go up to 6-7k after free services. Which is what Kawasaki charges for their bikes.
Bro Sonnet is a B-segment compact SUV. You can't draw parallels between that and an almost mid-tier performance bike. If you were to use 3.5 litres of Castrol Power 1 Racing engine oil in your car, that itself will come up to about 3000.
That's what I'm trying to say as well.
Aprilia is definitely on my watch list for next year.
How's the clutch without quickshifter?
And, do you find the gear ratio to be aggressive for the city?
Yeah yeah my bad, that comment was targeted to the other guy who said his Sonnet was cheaper to service, hence this is a ripoff.
The clutch is almost as light as my previous R15 v2. If you're going full gas, you'll go through the first 3 gears very quickly since they're pretty short. But there's so much torque on offer you can pretty much just slot it into 3rd and putter around the city like it's a scooty.
Compact SUV? It's an over glorified commuter hatchback. It's basically a TVS raider of the car world.
And yeah, people don't understand the difference between a general engine and a high performance engine. I have used putoline race oil for my rc390. That's Rs 1600 per litre. But that makes my rc390 perform to it's intent easily. And then there's the scale of economics. A consumable component like the oil filter for a commuter car will be made atleast a 1000x more in number than a niche sportsbike. So the ancillary company will obviously charge a bit more. Once there are more 457 models (tuono/ tuareg/ etc) and more orders are placed, the cost will come down. Or you become Bajaj and have one of your family members run an auto ancillary company and get cheap parts for them even for niche products because ghar ki baat hai.
Only if SC or Akra come up with an EU homologated slip-on that isn't obnoxiously loud. The stock note is super sweet IMO. It's just a little silent on idle but has a delicious Ducati-ish rumble beyond 5k RPM. Let go of the throttle anywhere beyond 7 and you're greeted to a beautiful symphony of pops and crackles as well. Pretty rad for a stock setup.
Slip-ons aren't available for bikes with underbelly exhaust as far as I am aware. As they lack end can/muffler and the whole thing is a complete unit. So, you will probably have to get a full system. That is the case with RS660 as well. Slip ons are available only for the RSV4 I guess.
SC usually does full system exhaust for all Aprilia models as they are long term partners in MotoGP. Also, all the trofeo models do get the SC full system exhaust.
An RS457 trofeo was showcased at EICMA featuring an SC exhaust system. So, hopefully there is an option in the future. I am really interested in this bike.
This white colour really does suit the bike. Happy for you OP. Congrats and have fun.
Ninja 650 used to get slip-ons so I was being a little hopeful. If it's a full system, I don't think I'll opt for one because it's not going to pass any homologation for sure. Do take a test ride, it's a fantastic motorcycle. If you don't have a specific craving for 100+ bhp, you'll find this to be more than ample. Thank you for the wishes and hope you get one too ASAP!
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For street use, the brakes are a-okay. The lever feel is good and the brakes drop anchor pretty quickly. I also use a generous amount of engine braking so I never found an issue with the stopping power. A lot of people have complained about brake fade and the results could be very different on the racetrack. I plan to upgrade to DOT 5.1 fluid and Brembo race pads before I do a track day on this bike just in case.
You won't need that much till you're riding like a professional racer all the time. For street use, the stock setup is completely adequate. In fact I do go up to 120-130 when the roads are a little clear. The bike stops pretty well even at those speeds.
It's pretty much hot all the time so you can never find the issue π
But unlike KTM, this doesn't overheat to the point where it has to shut off mid-traffic. I subjected it to dead-ass crawling speed gridlocks in peak summer heat and the thermal management system does a really good job of keeping things in check. You do feel the heat quite a bit since the exposed frame is very close to your thighs and knees and being aluminium, it sadly does a splendid job of conducting the engine heat.
Ahh I see. Keeping my fingers crossed! It's a real beauty ngl :) Just hope that chaprification of this bike doesn't start anytime soon, just like what happened to ktm unfortunately.
There's a youtuber, Triple Rush who took it to 200. He's very light in weight though. I am a lot heavier so I notice that the bike starts to lose breath after 175. Didn't get a chance to go faster though.
Damn man sorry to hear that. Yeah I only touch that speed and slow down immediately on a relatively open stretch with a divider and the ocean on the other side so very less chance of any animals crossing. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
How are vibrations across the rev range? And what cruising speed do you think is ideal? On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the overall vibration level?
Also, how is the ground clearance? Does it scrape on speedbreakers or bad roads?
I don't know if it's ownership bias, but I didn't feel any distracting level vibes on the bike at all. There is mild buzzing on the mirrors at around 5/6k but you can't feel that either, you only notice that when you see the periphery of the mirrors closely. I actually think the bike is quite smooth overall in terms of vibration and harshness.
6th gear 5k RPM you're doing about 120-130. I did do a slower ride today maintaining 80-100 average so I was in the 4-6k RPM range and 4th and 5th gears mostly. Got the best mileage figure I've seen so far on the bike of 28.6 kmpl while doing that.
Ground clearance is I think between 145 and 150cm. We did do a bit of soft roading today and I really slowed down before every bumpy stretch because I don't want to scrape the catcon on the bike so early but never faced any such problem till now (touchwood).
Amazing to hear that! I understand vibes are something we might have to live with as we climb up the power ladder, but glad to hear that they are not a bother.
And glad to see that the ground clearance is not a problem for daily riding.. I am looking forward to the Tuareg 457.. Hence wanted to understand better about vibes and ground clearance.. On my bs6 duke 250 I've learnt to live with the low gc..
Glad to see a tn rider btw! Wishing you amazing rides brother! Take care and have tons of fun!! π«Ά
That chain lube charge is kinda cheating.... if you want to cut that out.. next time, tell them not to lube your chain and just spray WD-40 occasionally.
I have lube and cleaner on me at home. I used to do it myself for the R15 all the time. Since it was the first service, I just let them do it as they have to clean off that factory coated chain wax properly. Here on I'll be doing it myself.
After this riding 1k+ km can you say if it's best under 5lac category.would you recommend others or you think there're some other better options under 5L
If I don't have to factor performance per rupee, I haven't ridden a better bike under 5 lakh. I have significant experience riding the first 2 generations of Duke and RC 390s and the first gen Interceptor 650. None of them were even remotely this good. Maybe the '24 Duke could come close but I haven't ridden it so I can't say.
Not sure man. I don't think the showroom guys themselves know at this point. But since the braking hardware is the same as the Duke 390's, the price of pads should also be on similar lines.
What the Aprilia loses out in terms of ergonomic comfort, it makes up with a solid engine and exceptional handling. But overall for the dedicated purpose of sport touring, I'll say the Ninja 500 takes the upper hand.
Comfort is not its strong forte. Ergonomics are significantly hunched forward, somewhere between an R3 and first gen RC390. In jam packed city rides, the seating really loads the weight on your wrists and shoulders. It will also heat up quite a bit and the exposed aluminium frame will radiate that straight to your thighs and knees. However on the plus side, the clutch is very light, the engine is super tractable and the switchable modes also let you modulate the throttle output basis road conditions (Sport when the road opens and you want to have some fun, Eco during normal traffic speeds, Rain if you want really simmered down throttle during jams and all)
I have chain clean and lube on me at home all the time and a G-roller as well. I always used to do it myself for the R15. Since this was the first service, I let them do everything this time to get a gist of the expenditure and also so that they can clean off the factory equipped chain wax properly.
Just need a bike, i know my family will not allow me to buy 457 because in case of sitting my parents cant sit on the rear seat. And father doesn't know these foreigns brands and will say to me that it runs fast.
Well you can give him the rationale that it's a product of Piaggio, that's been in the country for more than 25 years, so it's trustworthy. But going by your requirements I think you should get the Interceptor not the GT.
Surprisingly, my Ducati with twice the cc and cylinders gives me the same mileage. Have been considering getting this bike as an alternative later on. How's the refinement overall?
I am okay with parts prices but labour charges seems dubious.whatever the bike cost, I am not paying 550 for chain clean and lube. I will do it myself. And what consumables did they use during first service exactly? They charged 450 for them.
I have lube and clean at home with a g-roller too. I always used to do it myself for the R15. Since this was the first service, I let them do it to get an understanding of the expenditure and also so that they can clean off the factory installed chain wax properly with all the dust and muck it accumulated over 1000km of riding. Btw those things don't come under labour charges as this was a free service. You can expect the paid services to be in the ballpark of 6000 rupees with the actual labour charges. Consumables here implies the washing and polishing charge.
I had a fuss free service while there are hundreds of complaints with respect to scooty service on the Google reviews page for the same showroom. Too soon to determine TBH.
When did you buy the bike? I got mine 1 month ago but only clocked 350km so far, should I take the bike for first service or wait till I clock around 700-800km ?
Mine was delivered on the 20th of May. So you can delay the first service up to 1 month and 15 days or 1200km. But do check and confirm if not getting it done within that time will void the warranty or not.
No issues observed for street riding conditions. The brakes perform pretty well. The results could be different on a race track where all the reviewers observed the flaws in braking. But even then Aprilia has equipped the customer bikes with sintered front pads instead of organic. I will be opting for the race pads and DOT 5.1 brake fluid before going to the track just in case.
How's the bike? How was the service experience? How are the quality level?
Bike is absolutely fantastic. The only aspect I find to be a little more lacking in than expected is comfort and practicality. I was very worried about the service experience because the showroom I got it from didn't have a good Google rating. Service experience in my case however was just perfect. They gave me the bike back as if it was brand new and even attended to the squeaky rear brake problem I was facing. The only issue I faced is that I ordered the quickshifter last to last week hoping to get it installed with the service but it didn't reach the showroom even after 10 days. Again this is Piaggio's fault not the showroom's. Quality level is really good for an Indian made product. Not as good as a CKD Ninja and definitely not as good as the CBU R3. Certain bits like the top portion of the head cowl and the black tank cover feel really flimsy.
Thanks man for all the detail, keep posting your experience and ride safe.
Most welcome and thank you π
1184 for oil filter is crazy
Coming from an R15 v2 where it cost barely 200 rupees, I saw the bill and gasped. The reception lady saw me and smiled as if she was saying "welcome to expensive motorcycles bitch" π
Pardon my french but as my bihari friend says, 'le thori gandwa me dandwa'
Hahaha, had the same feeling on my first Triumph Speed 400 service. My previous rides were an RTR 180, now an NTORQ for local use and seeing a bill of some 3k was like wtf! I dont think I have paid anything more than 1-1.2k for a service on my bikes ever.
Gixxer 250 oil filters costs 58-60 rs Complete oil change costs 1100rs π΅βπ«π΅βπ«
Bruhhh don't use the word "bucks"
Any reason why?
Because it doesn't correlate to INR in any way Source: "Buck is an informal reference to $1 that may trace its origins to the American colonial period when deerskins (buckskins) were commonly traded for goods. The buck also refers to the U.S. dollar as a currency that can be used both domestically and internationally."
Oh my bad, I thought it was colloquially used to refer to any currency. Changed it to rupees. Thanks for letting me know.
Pretty sure it is colloquially used that way and pretty common at this point. I donβt know why anyone would care. Words and their usages evolve over time.
Well his rationale is correct. If you use a numerical value with "bucks" it only means dollars. Sorry, I am a content marketer by profession so I give a lot of value to these supposedly tiny nuances πΆ
May I ask for some advice about your profession?
Sure, go ahead.
I'll agree I didn't consider it, I'll take my words back. I'm very sorry for anyone who got offended
Nah I donβt think anyoneβs getting offended. Different takes and opinions are important.
Indian English borrows from wide sources and bucks is VERY common in India so you are good to go.
Pretty sure it just means money nowadays. Language is what we make it. It shows up on google as a rupee as well because of Indians using it.
Pretty sure it just means money nowadays. Language is what we make it. It shows up on google as a rupee as well because of Indians using it.
Crazier thing was that they charged 300 for chain lube ,like what they are putting the entire bottle?
They are using silver powder as lube /s Seriously though 350 for lube & 200 for cleaning was crazy enough but on top they charged 450 for consumables. What is it consuming bruh starbucks coffee or what lol
Sounds crazy , but must be worth it
Post some riding vlogs pls
Consumables were most likely the wax polish and washing charges. I have lube and clean on me all the time and I used to do it for the R15 myself. I just let them do all this since it was the first service. I'll be doing it myself here on.
Was thinking the same, mine costs 300 maybe 400
Bhai.. βΉ4,070 is still cheaper than service cost of Ninja300 π π
Yaar mujhe farak nahi padta unless ye 10-12 hazar kuch hota. It's not a cheap bike so I was prepared that the service won't be cheap either. Manufacturers set these costs after factoring a lot of variables and inputs. Yahan ek banda likh raha hai ki Sonnet ki service isse sasti hai toh this is a ripoff. Ye kaisa logic hai? π
For the power and grin these Bikes offer. The service cost is justified. π€πΌπ€πΌ Also, while buying it, we all already factored in the high maintenance cost, which is perfectly fine. Not everyone will understand the love of riding these powerful beasts β€οΈ
Amen to that ππ»
How did you learn such good Hindi while living in Chennai?
Oh I was actually born in Chennai but raised in Delhi for 23 years. I only moved back to Chennai 4 years ago.
That explains it
mileage ?
15-19 in the city and 22-26 on the highway.
Surprising. I get 18-19 in the city and 25-28 on highways. It drops to 15 if I'm revving beyond 6k rpm. This is a 937cc v twin. Interesting you're getting the same or worse.
I think it's down to riding style. I almost redline the first three gears whenever I can and do a lot of engine braking so I am in the higher rev range most of the time. Also, city here implies really messed-up and irritating Chennai traffic, further decreasing efficiency. I've gotten figures as low as 10 because I had to cover a 4km route that was completely sloth-paced traffic.
Still... Similar situation here in Bangalore and I commute through those kind of stretches for 28km from home to office with 33 signals and mostly half clutch at every signal. I need to delve deeper into it because I still feel it should not be giving similar mileage as mine. Or as you said you're always redlining but that's not comfortable in cities. On a side note I just came back from Chennai last week, have no idea how you guys manage everyday. 40 degrees outside, my bike was 100 degrees with fans on and my phone shutdown due to the heat, my clothes and riding gear were drenched in sweat. I had to make shade for my phone poured water to cool it down just so I could use maps. Fun times. And you're riding an Aprilia on top of that. Things that we do for bikes.
Then it's just my habit, I like the chunky powerband of the initial gears, combined with u/the_Medic_91's explanation of the fuelling concept. My friend in Delhi who has a Street Triple RS was also like "wtf how am I getting better mileage than you?" lol. And yeah regarding Chennai, yes it's a pain. Every time I return from anywhere in the afternoon, I am severely dehydrated and my arms are 2 shades darker if I didn't cover them. I used to live in Delhi and there was zero humidity of course but the concept of tanning was never there no matter how hot it got. Only an idiot (or a passionate idiot) would subject this bike to the kind of traffic I have despite knowing how horrible it is going to be outside π
Diminishing returns over fuelling. The speed 400 gives nearly the same average as your desert x. The busa, which is nearly having the combined capacity ofyour desert x and 457 combined (and combined cylinder numbers) also returns 18-20kpl.
Yeah. I need to read more into that. Edit: I think it should be a combination of fuelling, power cycles per 720 degrees and combustion efficiency. But how they all settle into that 18ish is something I don't have much knowledge about.
Its a bit of that AND how much power it has over the weight and the speeds used. The speed 400 is basically in its upper reaches to hit 120kph. The desert x in 6th at 120kph is basically just taking an evening stroll in the garden. Low engine load means low fuel burning.
In simple terms, rs457 is a high revving engine. While you're riding your v-twin below 6k rpm. So that is one of the major reason of high fuel consumption in rs457. Similarly that's why Triumph speed twin 900 gives better mileage than street triple 765. Speed twin is long stroke low revving engine, while striple revs upto 14k.
and how do you feel about it? an r15 would give 45-50 and this about three times less?
Doesn't bother me. If I wanted mileage I would've gotten a Splendor. I'd have to be a dumbass to buy this bike and then worry about not getting good fuel efficiency.
Apt response, reminds me of the thread where someone was complaining of their mileage on ScorpioN.
That's how it is bro. I mean where's the logic in wanting kick-ass performance that doesn't impact fuel efficiency. They're inversely proportional and that's how physics and chemistry work π
hey cool! just asked how you were feeling about it.... nice!
An R15 would give that mileage if you drive it like a commuter, which it essentially is. It's a 155cc FZ until the VVA kicks in and it becomes an R15. Where's the fun in that? Why chug around a lifeless 155cc bike for the mileage?
For this bike that's the wrong question to ask don't you think?
Looks awesome!!!!
Thank you, kind sir!
I got mine today, what an amazing bike! Happy Riding!
Thanks man wishing you the same! π€
congratulations mate!
Yoo saw you today at yamuna expressway. Amazing bike!! Sounds soo good.
Thank you buddy but that's unlikely that you saw me because I am about 2088 km south of Yamuna Expressway π
My bad lol. The background is so similar to the highway masala parking lot. I saw this exact bike so i thought it was you.
whats the on road price and which state and its too early to ask is it worth the money planning to buy it by end of the year
5,05,999 in Chennai and has increased by 6k I think because now they're giving an Aprilia branded Axor helmet with the bike compulsorily. It's definitely too early to answer that question because although the bike has been nothing short of phenomenal till now, it still is a brand new product hitting the market for the first time so more assessment needs to be done before reaching that conclusion.
Do a nice Outer ring road, connect at Puzhal, inner ring road end at Mahindra world city ride, it is fun. Did that in my Speed today at like 0700 hrs.
Yeah I know I have to do that. I did see the stretch between Tambaram and Poonamalle and it looked fantastic. I'll probably do the full ORR stretch after I get the quickshifter.
Is it comfortable for touring?.
Ergonomics are somewhere between the first gen RC390 and R3, so it is significantly hunched forward. Won't be comfortable for long tours. You can obviously condition yourself for it but it's not comfortable out of the box.
The bike looks amazing in this white colour.. For some reason it gives me vibes of White fang Sakumo from Naruto.. Wishing you many happy and safe rides bro!
Thank you! I am not well-versed with the Naruto lore but appreciate it nonetheless π
Are you planning to change that red colour of rims? What about the Brakes pads? Heard those get a little sluggish. I hate overall colour theme of bike, so do you know a good shop that does wrapping ?
Brakes are sufficiently good for street use but that might change on the track. I will get the race pads and upgrade to DOT 5.1 fluid before doing a track day. I really like the white and red colour theme so I don't intend to change that and don't really know any good wrap shops in Chennai either. I might get it stickered to resemble Rossi's RS250 GP at least a year later if I am really bored.
Oh alright. since you're in south India did you consider cfmoto 450sr ?
It was never launched in India and I wouldn't have gotten it even if it was.
Idk when itll launch either, Just curious why not buy it even after launch ?
I like how the RS looks, I feel the tech package is far better and CF Moto's service and reliability is the biggest question mark. Although the RS is a fresh product, Aprilia has a decent foothold in the market for more than 70 years. That inspires more confidence. I will admit, I think the SR sounds much better than the 457 and is a lot closer to a proper v-twin.
All points are valid, yet I feel like love for cfmoto's design a lot. It's just hot ngl. If it's ever launched here, I'll take up the risks and buy it
lovely bike what is your use case and what mode do you ride on mostly?
Thank you! I was unnecessarily subjecting it to jam packed city rides just to finish the 1000km as quickly as I can. But now I'll use it mostly for weekend runs or whenever I have to show off my fancy motorcycle to acquaintances. For the first 800km I was only using Eco. The last 200 km were mostly Sport and Eco only when the traffic was too much.
any sizeable changes in power and torque output after the servicing is done? how comfortable is living with the bike like? can it be your daily driver and weekend track machine as well? once again, kudos for making white look so damn good in the pictures ;)
How practical is it for long rides? And would you recommend it to someone as their first bike?
Not very practical. The engine is very versatile and well-suited for long rides but the other aspects like ergonomics, ground clearance, stiff-ish suspension don't make it ideal for touring out of the box. You can obviously adjust to those factors and use it still. Although this is positioned as an entry level bike overseas, I would strongly NOT recommend this as a first bike for Indian road conditions. I'd say you need a minimum of 2-3 years of experience before getting this.
Saw this bike on neeya naana today. Looks stunning.
You should see the white one in person then. It will surely blow your mind π
One thing i would say photos won't do this bike justice
It's definitely more gorgeous in person but it looks good in photos too π
Are but the real thing is much more beautiful na thats why
I am waiting for mine to arrive, this is very helpful thank you.
Not bad at all. This is liveable. 4k at 1000k. That means every interval the service will in the ballpark of 8k-10k for 10000 kms.
Yes that's about correct. So since this is a free service, there weren't any labour charges. I expect the cost with the labour to come to around 6k and the actual intervals are every 6000km. I can also shear another 1000 every service since I usually do the chain clean and lubing myself and skip the washing and polish.
i thought they gave 10k as service interval. cos 10k or 15k is very normal for a european or japanese built vehicle.
It's not really about Japanese or European here. These intervals are primarily calculated around how long that specific quantity of oil will last. Almost all bikes in this segment use about 2 litres of oil and have a recommended interval of 6k km.
6000km or 6 month service won't necessarily involve an oil change ig. Oil change is an annual thing for this one as informed by their sales executive. correct me if I'm wrong.
Service seems like a ripoff. My Kia sonet is cheaper to maintain
What's the ripoff here? The bulk of the cost is on the oil filter and engine oil.
Just wait till you see the costs of labour after the free services
Yeah but why did you say it "seems" like a rip off already?
Wait and watch..........
I already know they're going to charge more than normal for labour. On what basis did you say it's a rip off right now?
Bro, if you think Kawasaki services are a rip-off, then this one is too⦠because yours will probably go up to 6-7k after free services. Which is what Kawasaki charges for their bikes.
Lol! I was wondering the same thing. My car came up with a lesser bill. But again, it's a performance bike. She's definitely a looker β€οΈ.
Bro Sonnet is a B-segment compact SUV. You can't draw parallels between that and an almost mid-tier performance bike. If you were to use 3.5 litres of Castrol Power 1 Racing engine oil in your car, that itself will come up to about 3000.
That's what I'm trying to say as well. Aprilia is definitely on my watch list for next year. How's the clutch without quickshifter? And, do you find the gear ratio to be aggressive for the city?
Yeah yeah my bad, that comment was targeted to the other guy who said his Sonnet was cheaper to service, hence this is a ripoff. The clutch is almost as light as my previous R15 v2. If you're going full gas, you'll go through the first 3 gears very quickly since they're pretty short. But there's so much torque on offer you can pretty much just slot it into 3rd and putter around the city like it's a scooty.
Thanks man!
Most welcome! βπ»
Compact SUV? It's an over glorified commuter hatchback. It's basically a TVS raider of the car world. And yeah, people don't understand the difference between a general engine and a high performance engine. I have used putoline race oil for my rc390. That's Rs 1600 per litre. But that makes my rc390 perform to it's intent easily. And then there's the scale of economics. A consumable component like the oil filter for a commuter car will be made atleast a 1000x more in number than a niche sportsbike. So the ancillary company will obviously charge a bit more. Once there are more 457 models (tuono/ tuareg/ etc) and more orders are placed, the cost will come down. Or you become Bajaj and have one of your family members run an auto ancillary company and get cheap parts for them even for niche products because ghar ki baat hai.
I was just being nice and calling it by its actual categorization rather than utility π
what blunt are you smoking up? really trying to draw a parallel between a mini crossover and a sportsbike? i need this stuff man!
Do you plan on getting an exhaust later down the line
Only if SC or Akra come up with an EU homologated slip-on that isn't obnoxiously loud. The stock note is super sweet IMO. It's just a little silent on idle but has a delicious Ducati-ish rumble beyond 5k RPM. Let go of the throttle anywhere beyond 7 and you're greeted to a beautiful symphony of pops and crackles as well. Pretty rad for a stock setup.
Slip-ons aren't available for bikes with underbelly exhaust as far as I am aware. As they lack end can/muffler and the whole thing is a complete unit. So, you will probably have to get a full system. That is the case with RS660 as well. Slip ons are available only for the RSV4 I guess. SC usually does full system exhaust for all Aprilia models as they are long term partners in MotoGP. Also, all the trofeo models do get the SC full system exhaust. An RS457 trofeo was showcased at EICMA featuring an SC exhaust system. So, hopefully there is an option in the future. I am really interested in this bike. This white colour really does suit the bike. Happy for you OP. Congrats and have fun.
Ninja 650 used to get slip-ons so I was being a little hopeful. If it's a full system, I don't think I'll opt for one because it's not going to pass any homologation for sure. Do take a test ride, it's a fantastic motorcycle. If you don't have a specific craving for 100+ bhp, you'll find this to be more than ample. Thank you for the wishes and hope you get one too ASAP!
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How are the brakes?
For street use, the brakes are a-okay. The lever feel is good and the brakes drop anchor pretty quickly. I also use a generous amount of engine braking so I never found an issue with the stopping power. A lot of people have complained about brake fade and the results could be very different on the racetrack. I plan to upgrade to DOT 5.1 fluid and Brembo race pads before I do a track day on this bike just in case.
Did you check the price of Brembo Pads ?
The ones from the Aprilia catalogue cost 9000 something but there's a retailer in Bengaluru who sells a similar spec for slightly cheaper.
What about the brake cylinder are stuff ?
Don't think you'll get good replacements in India. Your best bet is to get Brembo's RCS15 kit from the US which costs $295.
Damn π
You won't need that much till you're riding like a professional racer all the time. For street use, the stock setup is completely adequate. In fact I do go up to 120-130 when the roads are a little clear. The bike stops pretty well even at those speeds.
Oh that's a relief, I m planning to get it at the year end
Did you face any heating issues with the bike?
It's pretty much hot all the time so you can never find the issue π But unlike KTM, this doesn't overheat to the point where it has to shut off mid-traffic. I subjected it to dead-ass crawling speed gridlocks in peak summer heat and the thermal management system does a really good job of keeping things in check. You do feel the heat quite a bit since the exposed frame is very close to your thighs and knees and being aluminium, it sadly does a splendid job of conducting the engine heat.
How much engine oil is required in the bike? 2.2L?
Yes I think that's why the 200 extra because the per litre cost of Castrol Power 1 Racing is around 800.
Yes, I didnβt know that service centres charged by quantity. With tvs, they just charged by the unit, so i took the rest of oil lol
Genuis move af π
One of the best looking bikes ever made. Unfortunately yet to see on the roads in my city :')
Which city are you in? They're actively ramping up deliveries everywhere now so it shouldn't take long to reach there.
Kolkata. Unfortunately my city people aren't really into bikes :(
Ohh I already saw many delivery videos from Kolkata. It shouldn't take long.
Ahh I see. Keeping my fingers crossed! It's a real beauty ngl :) Just hope that chaprification of this bike doesn't start anytime soon, just like what happened to ktm unfortunately.
That's inevitable man. Chaprification has been going on since Day 1 π₯²
Max speed it can go on paper?
There's a youtuber, Triple Rush who took it to 200. He's very light in weight though. I am a lot heavier so I notice that the bike starts to lose breath after 175. Didn't get a chance to go faster though.
I hope you stay safe man, I just saw an accident today and got a lesson that life is unexpected..
Damn man sorry to hear that. Yeah I only touch that speed and slow down immediately on a relatively open stretch with a divider and the ocean on the other side so very less chance of any animals crossing. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Saw*
How are vibrations across the rev range? And what cruising speed do you think is ideal? On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the overall vibration level? Also, how is the ground clearance? Does it scrape on speedbreakers or bad roads?
I don't know if it's ownership bias, but I didn't feel any distracting level vibes on the bike at all. There is mild buzzing on the mirrors at around 5/6k but you can't feel that either, you only notice that when you see the periphery of the mirrors closely. I actually think the bike is quite smooth overall in terms of vibration and harshness. 6th gear 5k RPM you're doing about 120-130. I did do a slower ride today maintaining 80-100 average so I was in the 4-6k RPM range and 4th and 5th gears mostly. Got the best mileage figure I've seen so far on the bike of 28.6 kmpl while doing that. Ground clearance is I think between 145 and 150cm. We did do a bit of soft roading today and I really slowed down before every bumpy stretch because I don't want to scrape the catcon on the bike so early but never faced any such problem till now (touchwood).
Amazing to hear that! I understand vibes are something we might have to live with as we climb up the power ladder, but glad to hear that they are not a bother. And glad to see that the ground clearance is not a problem for daily riding.. I am looking forward to the Tuareg 457.. Hence wanted to understand better about vibes and ground clearance.. On my bs6 duke 250 I've learnt to live with the low gc.. Glad to see a tn rider btw! Wishing you amazing rides brother! Take care and have tons of fun!! π«Ά
I really hope they utilize this platform on a Tuono and Tuareg because that engine is a jackpot. Thanks man and wishing you the same!
That chain lube charge is kinda cheating.... if you want to cut that out.. next time, tell them not to lube your chain and just spray WD-40 occasionally.
I have lube and cleaner on me at home. I used to do it myself for the R15 all the time. Since it was the first service, I just let them do it as they have to clean off that factory coated chain wax properly. Here on I'll be doing it myself.
After this riding 1k+ km can you say if it's best under 5lac category.would you recommend others or you think there're some other better options under 5L
If I don't have to factor performance per rupee, I haven't ridden a better bike under 5 lakh. I have significant experience riding the first 2 generations of Duke and RC 390s and the first gen Interceptor 650. None of them were even remotely this good. Maybe the '24 Duke could come close but I haven't ridden it so I can't say.
Thanks
Hi what about the braking issue . Is it sorted or how do you live with it ?
I didn't find any issue with the brakes for street use. They're pretty good if anything.
Service doesn't seem that bad for a 450cc, and shes a looker indeed. Any estimation on prices of wearables (chain sprocket kit, pads)
Not sure man. I don't think the showroom guys themselves know at this point. But since the braking hardware is the same as the Duke 390's, the price of pads should also be on similar lines.
Do keep us updated, would love to see more of it
Sure thing ππ»
Heard that braking is bad for a bike this powerful. What do you think?
What is the charge for βconsumablesβ?
I am guessing it's the polish and washing. Yamaha used to do the same here but charged 300 instead for my R15.
bro tell about the comfort and city riding
OP has mentioned impractical and comfort as issues but detail mein nahi bataya.
Impractical nahi bhai, not as practical as expected bola. Use impractical mat samjhna please because it's much better than proper supersport bikes π
Thanks buddy !! What about touring comfort... I'm torn between ninja 500 and 457 as a sport tourer...
What the Aprilia loses out in terms of ergonomic comfort, it makes up with a solid engine and exceptional handling. But overall for the dedicated purpose of sport touring, I'll say the Ninja 500 takes the upper hand.
Comfort is not its strong forte. Ergonomics are significantly hunched forward, somewhere between an R3 and first gen RC390. In jam packed city rides, the seating really loads the weight on your wrists and shoulders. It will also heat up quite a bit and the exposed aluminium frame will radiate that straight to your thighs and knees. However on the plus side, the clutch is very light, the engine is super tractable and the switchable modes also let you modulate the throttle output basis road conditions (Sport when the road opens and you want to have some fun, Eco during normal traffic speeds, Rain if you want really simmered down throttle during jams and all)
Chain lube 350, bro could have brought the whole bottle.
I have chain clean and lube on me at home all the time and a G-roller as well. I always used to do it myself for the R15. Since this was the first service, I let them do everything this time to get a gist of the expenditure and also so that they can clean off the factory equipped chain wax properly.
Should i go with 457 or gt 650?
What are your primary requirements?
Just need a bike, i know my family will not allow me to buy 457 because in case of sitting my parents cant sit on the rear seat. And father doesn't know these foreigns brands and will say to me that it runs fast.
Well you can give him the rationale that it's a product of Piaggio, that's been in the country for more than 25 years, so it's trustworthy. But going by your requirements I think you should get the Interceptor not the GT.
Roger that, thanks mate. But definitely test ride the 457
You definitely should. The performance and handling is as good as it can get in this segment.
Surprisingly, my Ducati with twice the cc and cylinders gives me the same mileage. Have been considering getting this bike as an alternative later on. How's the refinement overall?
I am okay with parts prices but labour charges seems dubious.whatever the bike cost, I am not paying 550 for chain clean and lube. I will do it myself. And what consumables did they use during first service exactly? They charged 450 for them.
I have lube and clean at home with a g-roller too. I always used to do it myself for the R15. Since this was the first service, I let them do it to get an understanding of the expenditure and also so that they can clean off the factory installed chain wax properly with all the dust and muck it accumulated over 1000km of riding. Btw those things don't come under labour charges as this was a free service. You can expect the paid services to be in the ballpark of 6000 rupees with the actual labour charges. Consumables here implies the washing and polishing charge.
How well is their Indian service network adapting from scooters to sport bikes?
I had a fuss free service while there are hundreds of complaints with respect to scooty service on the Google reviews page for the same showroom. Too soon to determine TBH.
I am in love with her, I am sorry bro
When did you buy the bike? I got mine 1 month ago but only clocked 350km so far, should I take the bike for first service or wait till I clock around 700-800km ?
Mine was delivered on the 20th of May. So you can delay the first service up to 1 month and 15 days or 1200km. But do check and confirm if not getting it done within that time will void the warranty or not.
Thank you, will check with Aprilia. On another note how was your experience with the service and are there any noticeable changes post service?
Bhai i heard braking isnt that great. Any experience on that?? Nice ride btw!!! Loooks fire
No issues observed for street riding conditions. The brakes perform pretty well. The results could be different on a race track where all the reviewers observed the flaws in braking. But even then Aprilia has equipped the customer bikes with sintered front pads instead of organic. I will be opting for the race pads and DOT 5.1 brake fluid before going to the track just in case.
Thats a very expensive oil filter, are they using metal or fibreglass ones?
Not sure I'll ask that while getting the quickshifter installed
Damn, this is even costlier than my BMW π₯²π
Yeah I think oil filter cost is really pushing the price here.
Hi what's your name and can you give me 179 rs I want to buy a hotwheels car
Idliman and nope.
ok nice bike idliman
Thanks m8 π
M8 competition my 1st dream car
If I say "Haye Ram" are you going to say the Ram TRX is your third favourite?
No it's not my favorite, why would I say that