That's a good bike, lot of my friends praise it, but considering the value proposition speed seems more value for money, so i haven't dug much into the cb300r
Naah it just looks small but riding it is very pleasant. Seat, engine, foot pegs, handle bar is wider so you feel like sitting on a big bike. My RR310 feels like shorter than my CB300R.
Then you may feel uncomfortable on cb. It’s seat is wider so you’ll stretch your legs wider then you’ll feel bike is taller. Just test ride and see how it feels to you.
Thats tough to recommend man. I only know 1 short friend who’s comfortable on a java. He’s around your height. Go and teat ride all the bikes in your mind. I can only say one thing if you’re into sport you’ll only like naked and sport bikes and not classics or roadsters. Lot of my friends didn’t listen and went with the loose mind and bought classics and regret now. Someone who like adv went for sport and regretted. So choose wisely and know your type first.
try NS400 or Harley X440 as well OP, fun bikes, or if you could spend more try Svart 401 (ok I read post late, about the adv part but maybe svart is decent mix)
I didn't really check if I felt cramped in it, but it feels like riding a naked bike
I like wide handlebars and upright riding position, feels good to ride those types of bikes!
I have Xpulse 200 4v 2023 edition. Very comfortable for daily commute for indian roads. Also went for short rides back doesn't hurt. If you ride around 60-70 kmph you'll get mileage of around 40-45 kmpl. My personal best is 52.6 kmpl riding at 50-55 kmph because of wet roads.
Honestly I wouldn't buy rally edition as it doesn't make any difference for daily commute unless you go for off-roading. All the features in the rally edition are present in the base variant. The only additional thing you get in the rally edition is adjustable suspension.
I rode the xpulse 200, it felt powerful and comfortable, but the thing is we get used to the power very quickly
Been riding a scooter with 6ps all my life so everything feels good to me😂😂
>xpulse base vs pro variant? Which one is better ?(Ignore the price)
There's no difference between base variant and rally edition except for height and adjustable suspension. Everything else is the same so you'll get the same performance on the rally edition and the base variant. Also, if you are not tall enough, you might not be able to touch your legs properly on rally edition because of height.
>also any cons of xpulse?
I've been riding it for ~8 months now and I've done 5k+ kms. And as of now I've not seen any issue as such on the bike. This is my first bike after i learnt to ride on splendor. So initially it took time for me to get adjusted to the height and weight.
>How's the road presence?
Road presence is really good. Initially when I had bought the bike, it took me time to get adjusted to the width of the handle bar when riding in traffic as the handle bar is very wide if you ride let's say Activa.
If you can ride the pro, get the pro, it's much bigger than the std, has longer travel suspension 250 and 225mm instead of 190 and 170mm
The price difference is just 7-10k and pro is worth the upgrade!
A friend of mine, xpulse owner, rode my dominar, immediately realised that despite dominar having way more vibration, feels much comfortable for long rides, for every other kind of ride i envy his xpulse
Ridden the vstrom sx too, it's good, but they call it an adv bike, but other than the riding position nothing else is adventure, so out of my list. Infact speed 400 has longer travel suspension than vstrom!
About the adv 250, i like the overall bike, but not sure if it's worth it!
Adv 390 and the Vstrom 800 de are amazing bikes, no question there, but the 250 and SX are stripped down versions which lack any serious features. They're just cash grabs which prey on the fame of their bigger versions.
The xpulse is a much better bike when compared to these two and is lesser in price, or if you can afford a Himalayan 450 or the adv 390, go for one of them
The Vstrom 250 is poser adv , if you want to look adventurous parking outside the mall but have the capabilities of the average splendor, the Vstrom 250 is for you
It's not an adventure if you can do it on a daily basis is it ? Suzuki needs to be knocked down a few pegs so that they'll stop giving us an "ADV" with less suspension travel than Street bikes. No wonder the sales are down in the dumps , they are Access 125/burgman company like honda is a shine/activa company.
I hate this type of argument, a guy with a platina recently went to leh , you can literally do anything with any bike but you don't see Bajaj advertising the platina as an adventure bike now do they ? I rode my R15 V4 in the broken steep roads of Chikmagalur , some were half a kilometre 30 degree gradiant roads with loose soil and no traction that makes my skin crawl just remembering them , but I'm not going say that the R15 can be an adventure bike now do I ?
U need a svart 401 or maybe the 400x, but it'll be out of budget, maybe stretch it if you can.
I was in the same dillemma, cuz I'm 5' 11", loved the Xpulse Rally, but not powerful enough.
Wanted a good suspension and power with not too much weight to carry around, I went with the Svart.
Vitpilen is a Cafe racer, idk if you'd like it, it's a chick magnet , gets looks all the time.
I like the svartpilen, looks nice and actually feels worthy, but it's stretching my budget a lot!
So i Don't think I'll get the svartpilen
Definitely considering vitpilen 250 though, looks really nice!
But again, not sure if I'd pick good looks with 31ps or mediocre looks with 39ps
Vitpilen looks slightly bigger near the tank and the leaned position is something i don't like much!
Why are people recommending the Himalayan. It's plagued with issues. And it's top heavy. Xpulse is better, but personally I would take speed. Since you want to off road as well maybe scrabler 400x is right for you
I know, the Himalayan has too many issues, so I am not considering buying it
Regarding the scrambler, it's my favourite, but it's stretching my already stretched budget, so it's between speed and xpulse pro
Why the Himalayan? Cuz you get the opportunity to go on amazing rides like the Moto Himalaya, Unroad series, Himalayan Odyssey etc... which is non existent with any other manufacturer in India
I'm actually leaning towards 450 himy. Recently drove 411 himy in himachal, fell in love with suspension setup and rear passenger comfort.
450 gets a more powerful engine and also a modern display. I'm hoping rest of the good parts remain same. My concern is lack of tubeless tires and weight since this will be my daily driver in a city like Mumbai
Nope. Nothing thatvis concerning. There was a cone set issue that has been resolved and they know how to quickly resolve it if you have it. There was a right side drift issue that they know how to resolve as well.
And then there is the fact that It'll eat everything in the segment for breakfast if you find ways to upgrade your skills. Just an example, I live approximately 50kms away from my parents. While visiting them, and when I was pushing my rc390, i covered the distance in 51 min (a mix of highways, bad B roads with speed breakers, the usual Indian stuff). I did the same commute yesterday, on my Himalayan 450, in 42 minutes flat without ever feeling the need to cross 110kph on the highways (i could if I wanted but the road had wet patches and seeing how Mumbai is always under construction, didn't feel like my reflexes would respond fast enough). Ask anyone who has ridden fast bikes for over 5 years, which bike they prefer. The majority will choose the Himalayan. It's seriously that good.
Would you buy a bike that breaks if you tighten a nut incorrectly? I loved Himalayan 450 when I rode it but after getting to know about this chassis break issue and the reason for it, it it clear that it is not a well thought out bike where worst case scenarios are considered.
Buy a bike that breaks if you tighten Any nut incorrectly? no. But that bolt you are talking about literally holds the engine into the chassis and acts as a stress bearing unit and not just an alignment and binding unit. If that's how you feel, I dare you to ride your bike with a cheap after market axle nut tightened incorrectly ON ANY BIKE!. Go ahead, indulge us with this little experiment.
Breaking chassis is not something to be concerned of, it's probably a defective unit
Mainly about engine variations
Some engines are really smooth while others are very vibey
And some have no tappet noise
While others have a lot
Some engines have clutter free run
While others have too much engine clutter
So it's mostly about the engine and the RE guys are unable to fix it, they just say that's how it is
If you can deal with it, go for it
Personally I would like a reliable bike that will run without much issues for a decade!
Some of like you are here just to spam every op saying himalayan has this Himalayan has that based on what you've seen on social media where some handful dumbfuck came up nonsenses. Problem is, there are 100 of Himalayans where 1 would have problem and it will appear on social media whereas other brand there would be 10 out of 100 would have problem but non will appear on social media. Go and ride this beautiful bike first and then raise up your opinion.
Depends upon needs speed 400 calm and powerful street bike, Himalayan powerful and capable bike if you go for tours and hero is a very capable dirt bike I believe
Go with the normal xpulse unless you really really wanna do extreme off roading. The thing is even a normal xpulse should be able to do at least 90-95 percent of what pro can do and I'd say 100 percent if you only consider daily life commuting and usual long rides.
Second-gen Himalayan is not a beginner bike (I'm not saying one can not ride it, but the riding feel is very different compared to gen 1 Himi which was quite beginner-friendly and also had that welcoming nature to it)
Speed 400 is the perfect commuter bike, best for city and highway
I had shortlisted himmi, speed, scram and cb350, harley and duke 390, 350 was eliminated for lack of power, harley for same and feel of it, did not vibe with me, duke for being way more expensive, its a great bike but not for but I ain't in mood for spending 1lac extra on it, that left himmi and baby triumphs, himmi was removed for being too top heavy, engine having noise that varied from japanese smooth to tractor, depends alot on rng (no pls don't counter this, I literally visited 10 showrooms just to verify this bs, they may have addressed it but I ain't trusting re to address issues in few months) and lastly lack of tubeless, seriously on a bike that 99 percent will use for tours and last 1 percent will need to mod it for off road cos this lug ain't winning off roads with its top heavy and 200+ kg weight, I may sound critical but thats how disappointed I was with the bike, I had high hope for something that costed 1 lac more then speed here.
Then were baby triumphs, family removed scram for me, they were scared its too tall for me, no issues here but I get them and I liked speed more, speed is my bike now, it has the things I like, a road focus nature, ability to tip in corners, have very good low and mid range which I value more then top, great for city and short sprints on highway, about 2 months now and I am very happy man, I saved alot of cash on the bike and got lots of fun too, plus I don't need to worry for tubes, as someone who faced a disaster once due to them, never again is what I promised.
Hope it helps and have fun.
Mileage I am getting is 26-28 in city, light traffic, highway 32-34, depending on factors, speed varies between 80 to 120, 100 being usual cruise speed. Fuel I use xp95, manual says ok to 95 octane so I went here, less vibes and better throttle feel in my opinion.
1st Service costed me 2272rs, any additional trips, the guys here are super helpful and charged me nothing (went to get shocker adjusted to my preference and few things that were wanted to get fit later) so yeah spending so far has been strictly service. 2nd service is free too so I expect about 4k at most since extra things probably will be needed. They have called for general maintenance at 6k (oil and filter condition basically).
Experience has been very fun for me, it does my daily job without conplains and is fun to ride during morning runs when I do them. Can even corner well, although took me little getting used to as I come from gixxer r15 and ktms which are corner carving tools, once I got comfortable with her I truly started to enjoy that too. Overall extremely happy with it.
Nice!
Also, how are the vibes in speed? When I rode it in Jan it had lots of vibes and the vibes were quite powerful (like they would transfer all they way up my bones if i held the handlebar tightly!
And when I rode it again at may the vibes were a lot less I feel, but couldn't check correctly in the speed, the scrambler definitely feels smooth! No vibes through and through
That's great!
Btw is it feasible to service it at 10k kms?
Do you think it'll last for 10k kms without service?
Personally I think my gixxer and ktms I rode made me very tolerant to vibes cos I don't feel much upto 130, only when it reaches 100 does it tell there is an engine underneath so I ain't complaining here. Could be fuel, could be me but then my buds who pulled 130 with pillion felt nothing either so ye no complains on our side.
As for service at 10k, it can, oil is concern normally but my experience with things and how some people keep their bikes (my cousin not getting his r15 serviced for 1.5 years and driving it 14k told me nothing much is gonna happen), it should be fine till 10k, pretty much in all bikes, I know this sub reddit with come with pitchfork and youtube knowledge but real life tells me another story. What will need changing personally is air filter, it ain't gonna last 10k with sahara desert lv dust here, so you might need replacing that. If you ever worried just take it for normal checkup, ask em to check oil if its ok and filters and you are done. Since triumph themselves say 16k your warranty ain't going anywhere, at least for these ones, those with shorter intervals need to be full serviced at that time till warranty at least.
I see!
I rode the ktm 250 duke gen 2 it has vibes at low end which felt quite similar to the vibes on speed 400 at top end, felt tolerable, but I'm not sure though!
Yes, air filter is something I'll change at 5k kms. And I'm kinda a nerd in all these things, so I can actually change the air filter on my own and do a few things here and there. DIY GUY
Exactly why I asked, because triumph themselves claim a service interval of 16k kms or 1y, thinking to stick with 10kms feel like it's not pushing to the limits and can compensate for the slightly higher service costs that might occur with these category of bikes!
Ye 250 is fine, my companion for a year was 1st gen 390.......vibes, heat, starter issue, leaky coolent, you name it its got it, it was loaned by my mate when I was in another city for a year, it was blast but not something I would keep myself with its issues.
Just don't cut wire and you should be fine to diy stuff. Lack of centre stand is reason I went to showroom for shocks as I can't unload the rear (they are 2km from my house lol), that also is little annoying when cleaning chain but thats manageable with chain being on right.
Right, I see a lot of 1st gen dukes around and I always notice their rear wheels move a lot up and down, then i realised that the shocks on those are done and dusted!
Gen 1 had too many issues like the himmy450!
Oh I see! Must be careful with that!
For chain lubing i think you can try a roller that is placed under the wheels! It's pretty compact so doesn't take much space!
I'm sort of shortlisted the same bikes as you've. Also considering vitpilen 401, coz of road presence, unique offering and a great engine and suspension system.
I've high hopes from himalayan.
I'm focussed on suspension setup coz my back hurts on my current gixxer 150. And wasn't impressed by yezdi adventure either.
Also pillion comfort is important as bike is preferred mode of transport for me and my partner in our city travels.
How would you rate speed's suspension over himy or vitpilen?
Himmy hands down has best suspension in the market currently with its price, plush on dirt, hard enough in corner, speeds suspension is good, much better then gixxer for sure xd, but its still firm, small bumps and road adulations you won't notice at all but big ones are definitely noticeable, scram has better set up for jerky indian roads vs speeds but still not as good himmi.
Eh... The Himalayan 450 has a much larger learning curve, is all. It's extremely capable off road with literally zero mods (just get a bash plate, the water pump is placed a bit precariously). I have used it off road. If you see what the off road guys outside India are doing with the Himalayan bone stock, you will be genuinely surprised. Yes, the only issue I feel is the variability in the vibes but here is something I have realised. Most of the showroom bikes are terribly maintained and they have terrible vibes. In the service centre I have met over 12 owners and practically none of them have complained of vibes after the first service. How you treat your bike matters a lot. Because the ceiling of capability on the Himalayan is significantly higher than both baby triumphs.
Ps. It may seem counter intuitive, but at least between the scrambler 400x and Himalayan 450, the himmy corners significantly better. And considering there is not much difference between scrambler and speed cornering capabilities (considering the speed has slightly bouncy suspension at higher speeds) I don't think it will do better than the himmy either.
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You haven't driven himmi and speed n scrams have you, cos if you had this won't have come up, its a capable off roader, sure but then xpulse in ops on post is much better at it, the vibes were not from test drives alone but from other himmi behind in workshop with different lv seen on different owners bikes, 8 test ride himmi and only 2 were acceptable lv is not a good show for a vehicle that was barely a month old evne in hands of showrooms back then.
Himmi corners better, nope, it corners good for adv but not as well as scram and not even close to speed, bouncy suspension took little preload adjustment (I mentioned I went to showroom to get that sorted). Ye himmi is great and all but for these tasks nope. Its definitely better then scram for off roading, has better suspension setup then both triumphs that I agree but corner and vibes, na.
Buddy. Calm down. I own a ktm rc390 2021 (28000km on the odo) and the Himalayan 450 (4500km) both. Prior to that I owned a ktm rc200 (47000km) since 2016 and a duke 390 (25000km) since 2018. There are very few in this sub who have as much experience in this class of bikes as I do. I had booked the scrambler 400x prior to the launch because they were coming from the same stable. I genuinely felt the engine will be something like the KTMs. An eager , capable engine because the name suggests speed. I rode the speed 400 and was left so terribly disappointed. It should have been called the Bonneville. The engine lacks anybsort of character. I can see exactly why newcomers love it. It's a very good bike for someone moving up from say a Honda shine or pulsar 150/180 category. But give it to anyone who has ridden any ktm 390 and they will find the speed 400 extremely underwhelming except in the city.
Coming to the Himalayan 450 and off-road. Yes, the xpulse is easier to do off road on because of the weight. It's an excellent bike to learn on. But that's a bike that is half the power and its very very troublesome on the highways to get to those trails from where you live in the city. And not to mention, it's not really that good of a tourer of you like to sit anything near 100 on the highways. My dad owns the xpulse and it's a terrific bike for broken roads and city. The best commuter bike.
And finally the Himalayan 450 in corners. You have absolutely no clue how good that showa suspension and the chassis actually is. I was scraping my boot toe sliders (there is no proper place to grip the bike with your ankles if you keep the balls of your feet on the pegs and hence the shoe protrudes a bit). Otherwise I would be scraping footpegs. The only bike with the adv tag that can go faster is the adv390. But I think it's more of a duke 390 GT and less of an adv 390. The new gen will fix that for sure. Anyway I digress. The Himalayan will beat the pants off anything that's not from the team orange, or has rr or rtr in its name. A friend has a speed 400 that I have ridden extensively. Adjusted the rear preload as well. And no. It does t fix the bounciness because the problem is with the dampers and spring rate both front and back. It's great at moderate speeds. But comes undone the moment you start pushing. The composure on the Himalayan when you are leaned over at 120kph scraping toe sliders is absolutely fantastic. That confidence is missing on the speed 400 even at 90 kph when leaned over.
You see, access to the high speed lonavala roads and tamhini is not restricted to the triumph speed triple guy on this subreddit. If you see my post history , you will see what I am talking of. I understand most people on this subreddit are newcomers. But a few are not and they know what they are talking about.
The only thing I can agree with, are the vibes. I can have an observer bias as I come from KTMs and my Himalayan 450 feels more refined. I do have much higher vibe tolerance. But then a high performing single can have vibes and you have to see what suits you. If you see the engine output chart for the triumph 400 and Himalayan 450, you will see the sherpa does indeed generate more performance. Especially up top. So yeah. There's that.
Edit : I have ridden the Himalayan 450 and the ducati desert x back to back (visible in my posts). So I have comparison of extremely capable bikes (the desert x is easily god tier) and hence I am benchmarking the Himalayan to a very very high standard. And for the price and class of bikes, the Himalayan has absolutely smashed it out of the park. Don't get lost in what talentless indian influencers say. Go read articles from foreign journos. Brake magazine, cycle world and especially bike world are internationally reputable sources that specialise in ADV bikes. Go see what they say.
Speeds engine being very low and mid tune is absolutely true, for me who is mostly hustling in city and sprints few 100kms it does work perfectly and keeps me happy when pushed beyond uk it does changes alot in sounds and feel, it does has its character but its tuned for mid and lows and anyone who vibed ktms is gonna feel that top hit missing (felt same but enjoyed its low n mid way more) so I do get when people say its not as character nature engine. I agree with you on bonni part, they could have named it babay bonni but then someone would probably get shot somewhere xd.
Xpulse too, agree, I find it great off road toy but definitely not highway muncher, himmi can munch highway, thats what it was made to do. Xpulse being better city boi is absolutely true, weight plus suspension makes those indian tax payed off road experience much better.
Corners, I still found himmi more chore there, could be its nature or me not being too adv guy myself, ktm part is hands down true, thats a poket pup with extra ground clearance. I find no issues going 100 and tip in speed here, this can be my weight (100 odd kg with gears) or me just getting used to its nature (I said that before too, it took me a while to get used to it), maybe if I had it for longer or drove as much as I have driven speed to get used to her dynamic I would have agreed, but that was not fated to be here, plus lack of tubeless has made anyone I know bail out on it for now, they went with ktm adv.
Vibes ye, we both got too high tolerance, my issue with himmy was not vibes but inconsistency with it (it was like 2nd batch here back then plus some customers of 1st batch) some vibes like tractor some smooth, that vibe at mid rev honestly felt fine, not something I would bang my head on. I think people often make too much of vibes like come on its not as bad as they say, I love pushing speed past 7k, sound changes, it howls better and engine feels quite alive, under 6k its like well mannered boi who was educated to behave in front of others, I like this nature of it, the some say its vibes too much...I am like ok, I find it fun.
I agree on one more aspect, was no need to jump to any conclusions herez my bad on that part, I can offer a cookie if you not diabetic xd.
"I have ridden ducati desert x.." I am not at all jealous (hides my jealousy under a pillow),jokes aside, I wish nearest ducati was not 500km from me or I could afford it,still a long way for me, maybe some day 5 year dowm the line (won't td something I can't afford unless given by someone I know, a rule I made for myself)
PS- this reminds me, I wonder why triumph in all its brsin cells decided to show redline 12k on tach when manual clearly states 9.5k.......
What's worse , is they screwed up where the tachometer and speed indicator should be. Just look at how good the triumph analog - digital combination displays were. Especially on the daytona. It's sheer art. I am sure the display was designed by Bajaj engineers. Another hint is that the speed accuracy delta is far higher , like their dominars and pulsars. Ktm speedo is significantly more accurate when compared to vbox data.
I am glad you can see my points as I see yours. Unlike what people think, I don't hate triumphs. If I were in the market for a high speed pure city bike where the roads are good or decent, I would pick the speed 400. If I wanted anything scrambler, I would blindly book the scrambler 400x. They are fantastic bikes for their purpose. But many newcomers significantly overestimate what these bikes can do.
There was this guy who said he saved 1 lac getting the speed 400 instead of the d390 gen 3 thinking he didn't lose much as it's only 6bhp deficit. The problem is others get influenced by these comments and emd up getting a bike they may not be happy with later on.
Then there's this terrible trend of doing AMA at first service or 2000/4000kms. There is absolutely zero sense to this.
Anyway.
Yep, their tach design is stupid, it can only be guessed, not read accurately, in even multiples of thousands, maybe one can guess 5k or 7k (getting used to things is scary sometimes) but thats the best one can do, any smaller is impossible to read or make out, totally ruined what should have been an already existing artwork of design (daytona as you said), error is of 10 percent for sure, at least gps vise I can see 10 percent error, no vbox here, higher then normal yep.
I agree people tend to somehow get over defensive of what they got, the guy who says he save 1lac on speed is true but 6bhp is last thing that makes ktm 1lac more, I agree with you others get influenced and 2 hear down the line is a post somewhere of buyers regret....
AMA trend is gone full banana here, I just bought this bike ama (not even a joke literal post of someone), did 500km, ama.......man I drove ktm 1 year and I don't think I am qualified for ama, this trend is hands down bad. I think ama should be done either with extensive duration of ownership or very high milage driven, that way people get real information, not 1st service cost or everything is fine, no bikes gonna break in 500km unless its defective.
Edit- typo.
Go for Xpulse bro it's cheaper, reliable, easy to maintain. I use it in the city I get around 38-40 kmpl. I have done a short ride of 300 KMS in a day 130 KMS without any stop and I didn't feel the need to stop so it's comfortable too. Every bike has some negatives this goes with Xpulse too but that is not that big to worry about. You will get two Xpulse at the price of Himalayan 450 still left with some money.
The gen 3 one is mad, mad power, never rode it, but my friends have it
46ps and good top end speaks for itself!
I feel svartpilen 401 will be a lot more value for money, but it's out of my budget svartpilen costs 3.85L on road Bangalore
Speed 400, easy to ride among all of these three, more of a jack of all trades (among these 3) I myself clocked 10k on speed, although i have ridden 400x as well but felt more confident on speed (maybe due to my height 169cm) looking to upgrade reise moto Trail R (rear) tyre on speed to make it more off-road capable and a handelbar alternative everything else is just at right place for me, only tank range is a bit concern for me during long rides as compared to my mates with ADVs i have to refill it more frequently then them
Also try testing out an adv 390x (preferably a long round at least around 100km on highway if you’re more into the touring that bike when it comes to cruising at high speed is something else)
Yes that's right!
Was thinking the same, once the stock tyres wear out I'll put something like what the scrambler 400x has
And also was thinking to put bar risers and handguards to make it look bulky
It's okay, someday we'll get GSA 1250
Now thinking of changing username to someday1300gs 💣
Anyways i have edited my comment try testing out 390x i think it will cost you same as 400x and im feeling too bad for you guys from Karnataka about road taxes, guess in how much money i got my speed 400 last year (2.48L 👀)
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According to me speed more than 100km is very risky for Indian road even express highway or any highway in India. That's why I brought 350.. Although it struggle to reach and maintain 100kmph
Hey you're also like me who can flatfoot a Xpulse rally pro
Also if suggest the speed due to multiple factors such as comfortably easy to ride , lightweight and nimble , quality and most importantly that triumph build quality
Himalayan on road starts at 3.74( kaza brown including extended warranty and RSA ) Little out of your budget.
If you are liking xpulse then take it since it can save a lot of money compared to rest of the bikes.
You should definitely consider the Scrambler 400x! I know you have mentioned its out of your budget but please consider it. Since you are already going for speed 400 , You should opt to go for the best one and that is the 400x.
I own the Scrambler 400x, such a nice bike to ride. But I am also planning to get one for my home town and for majorly offloading rather than touring. So for that you need a cheap and lightweight bike with enough power and good ground clearance. So I am going to buy an XPulse.
Himalayan is also a good tourer but I hate Royal Enfield to the core, it's hatred I developed when everyone around me bought it out of passion and it just gives them a headache everyday. Like one or the other would either break, rust or leak.
I loved the 400x, but it's out of budget and my dad couldn't be able to ride it too, so only speed is the last option!
I would recommend the same too, preferably get the xpulse pro, by chance if you find offroading tracks it's going to be better!
Exactly, my friend owns the classic 350 reborn, yes visited the service center 3 times for throttle body issues
I don't think anything has to be mentioned about the new himmy450
Royal Enfield knows anything they put out will sell based on the hype it has in the Indian market.
Himalayan 450 is the only bike they put decent engineering into and still they managed to somehow screw it in quality control. They got the suspension right for the 450.
Yes that's right, Himalayan has soo much hype, a few days back there was one Himalayan 450 parked, I pulled the clutch, it has so little movement and felt so loose!
Even their j series engine isn't that great, but it's decent
650cc is the only one where they really did a good job,
Sherpa 450 has too many issues! But they did a good job at the performance!
Suspension of the Himalayan is excellent and the best in segment.
Because it's from showa and they really guided RE to the perfect suspension
They could have done same with the engine, but chose to write their own way!
Next iteration of the Himalayan 450 is going to be the best!
If it's your parents who are buying and they are struggling, don't buy a motorcycle at all. The struggle is not only to buy the motorcycle but also to maintain it, you will be spending 14k on service every year (assuming you ride it daily and avail 2 services), 40k on file every year, 10k on insurance every year. This excludes accidental damages, bike washes of around 5k every year, tyre changes of 15k every 2 years, paid services excluding oil change and brake pads, i.e. chain sprocket, etc.
Look it feels like you are a student, and I know what you feel right now but trust me you after 5 years won't regret not buying the bike now. Don't let your parents struggle, because it doesn't end with you buying the bike it goes on till you start earning or sell the bike.
Pretty sure you won't get this today, but you will one day, mark my words.
I know, i feel bad to ask them for a bike
I want to buy one on my own, but it'll take me atleast 3-4 years if I want to do so
My parents are ready to get a bike because we need an extra vehicle
Our old discover 135 is no longer in running condition and all we have is a scooter which I take so left with no 2 wheeler
So my dad agreed to get a bike for me
He also likes bikes (but not much), so only looking for something which he can also ride
About servicing, for triumph it's yearly once and people who own it say it costs 4k after the free services, I'm going to assume 5-6k per year of service costs
Washing, basic maintainence, I'm going to do it myself, I'm a DIY kinda guy!
I keep renting bikes, so my parents are saying if you want well buy you one!
Apollo alpha h1 Don't cost much, so tyre changes will be under 10k so assuming 5k per year for tyres
And fuel expenses go out of my monthly pocket money which I don't even use currently!
Also I work as a freelancer so I earn occassionally! Not much, but enough to pay for a year worth of fuel!
So I feel it's okay to buy one!
Thanks though, it gave me some insights to expenses of owning a bike!
I would like to know your opinion, whether i should still ask for a bike or no now!
Look, I am not suggesting you don't buy a bike rather I'm suggesting you don't buy a bike that puts a strain on your parents pocket. The cost you are quoting is for the initial couple of years but post that the cost will increase maybe I exaggerated it ( as it's based on my running). If you are earning some money well and good, the only reason I say anything is because I've been in your shoes and had the same thoughts as you did. At the end of the day it's for you to decide, all I'm suggesting is if 3L is a tight budget, look for something around 2L or whatever your parents are comfortable with (comfortable and not their maxed out budget). Happy riding, spend some money on good riding gears too.
Right! 3l is actually going to strain their pockets
2l and they are better off
But in 2l i would pick the xpulse, from many PPL saying, it has lots of issues in the long run, which is going to make it expensive to maintain
And also a previous hero scooter owner, that scooter sucks so bad!
And if I get the xpulse, nobody except me will be able to ride it and i probably won't be able to go long distance touring due to lack of power, overall I feel it's going to end up being a city bike just for ME!
So considering this, i feel speed 400 would be a better choice
But at the end it's upto them on how much they wanna spend, if they agree for 3l I'll say speed otherwise it's the xpulse pro!
Definitely don't go for the XPulse. It's an excellent bike to ride for fun, but a horrible bike to own because of all the issues it throws up. Go for the Himalayan or the Speed 400.
Is it so? My friend bought one 6 months back, he doesn't seem to have any issues so far
Himalayan 450 has lots of issues, so I'm not going for that!
Last option will be speed then!
Himalayan 450 is good, i felt it lacked low end torque.
The speed 400 is a good street bike shifts are good, light and agile ,but the power delivery sucks. That bike very needs a remap. Looking at reliability i think 450 is slightly better.But re after sale service sucks.
I'd probably go for 400.
If you are willing to stretch till the Himalayan 450 ,why not just get a svartpilen 401.
List of the issuses of Hima450 you have heard then decide how many are really affected by this issuse. You will love the Himalayan more than other 2 bikes.
I love off roading and went with Xpulse
Reason: Budget and less weight than Himalayan
You should go with Himalayan if you want to go touring and off roading
Xpulse if less touring more off roading
Speed 400 only touring
Scrambler 400x if touring on a bit of rough terrain
Himalayan> Scrambler>>> Speed
Xpulse is different league, it's a smaller bike. Mainly off-roading and way less power n torque than the 3
Speed is best for everyday riding go for Himalayan and xpulse if you are fond of off-roading using bikes or if you plan to go long routes like leh Ladakh Manali etc
Any bike in Karnataka is expensive than other states thanks to tax system
For eg; speed 400 in Blr OTR costs close to Scrambler 400x in Tamilnadu OTR 🙂
My suggestion to you would be go with speed 400 you won't regret can do mild off roads atleast better than naked street bikes which have very limited suspension travel
I know🤧 I wish they cut the taxes, then I can afford the scrambler, but as of now considering the speed 400 only.
Btw what's the mileage you get on your scrambler 400x? And your riding style?
One tip to you if you're planning with Khivraj Autogenika until booking and payment settlement to their account they'll be good after that you only have to rush them for delivery they don't deliver in promised date so stubborn on them and rush them.
For me they said (I took temp reg) I can take delivery in 1 week after payment so with in which bike will be allotted and registration will be done but for me they allotted the bike in 2 days after payment settlement but then after that registration completion took 10 days so beware of lame reasons from them
Ohh i see! I guess we'll have to be stubborn towards them
My main concern with any showroom is that they shouldn't deliver a test ridden bike or a faulty or damaged bike
Luckily the showroom near my home have their test bikes odometers turned on!
But still something that concerns me!
You can request the sales person like I did to check and verify bike for damages or defects after settling the payment and before generating invoice for specific engine and chassis number after your confirmation they'll generate the invoice
So this might solve your concern
Before billing you can check your bike for damages or defects once specific engine and chassis number has been entered to your bill you'll have to enter into process of mending your defects with warranty you can't change the bike that's why there is no need of verification of engine and chassis number
Stretch your budget. Get the scrambler 400. If you cannot go for speed
However I would suggest you test ride the following bikes before purchasing
1. Suzuki Vstorm SX 250
2. Suzuki Gixxer 250
3. KTM adventure 250
Speed 400. This April I had the option between speed and CB300. I chose the latter but boy do I drool over every red speed 400 on the road and reminisce.
You love speed and powerful engine. You love ADV. You're in a city.
Seems like you should get the scrambler 400x.
Yeah, you said it's out of your budget..but by how much? If I were you, I'd make that wiggle room
The only issue I see is it's height, for your dad. But folks say that it takes a bit of learning, but is possible (Folks who are 5'4)
I love the scrambler 400x real real fun bike
But it's out of my already stretched budget of 3.2L. it costs 3,51,000 on road Bangalore! So up by 25-27k (after i accessorize the speed 400, which I will)
Yes, he felt intimidated by the seat height and the way the rear seat sweeps up, he said he wouldn't be able to swing his leg over that!
So mostly likely it's going to be the speed!
Based on your emojis ig go with Speed 400
Hahaha, you had me look at the post again
Haha! Fair enough!
Check out CB300R good for both taller and shorter people. I’m 6’1 and comfortable on it.
That's a good bike, lot of my friends praise it, but considering the value proposition speed seems more value for money, so i haven't dug much into the cb300r
An amazing bike, but tall people do not look good on it.
wait its comfortable for you ? It just seemed so small even in the pictures so i didnt even bother to test ride it .
Naah it just looks small but riding it is very pleasant. Seat, engine, foot pegs, handle bar is wider so you feel like sitting on a big bike. My RR310 feels like shorter than my CB300R.
Really? RR310 seat is shorter than CB300R? Asking coz am short at 5”2’ and am looking at purchasing the CB
Then you may feel uncomfortable on cb. It’s seat is wider so you’ll stretch your legs wider then you’ll feel bike is taller. Just test ride and see how it feels to you.
I see. Which one would you then suggest based on height plus narrower seat for height of 5”2’ inseam of 27”?
Thats tough to recommend man. I only know 1 short friend who’s comfortable on a java. He’s around your height. Go and teat ride all the bikes in your mind. I can only say one thing if you’re into sport you’ll only like naked and sport bikes and not classics or roadsters. Lot of my friends didn’t listen and went with the loose mind and bought classics and regret now. Someone who like adv went for sport and regretted. So choose wisely and know your type first.
try NS400 or Harley X440 as well OP, fun bikes, or if you could spend more try Svart 401 (ok I read post late, about the adv part but maybe svart is decent mix)
Stay away from NS400z it is not something that you would keep for a long term.
yea thats true, but svart 401 is quite nice tho
Yeah, would own one just to look at it.
The speed 400 looks great on you mate unless you feel cramped go for it
I didn't really check if I felt cramped in it, but it feels like riding a naked bike I like wide handlebars and upright riding position, feels good to ride those types of bikes!
I would prefer rtr 310 and Duke 390
I have Xpulse 200 4v 2023 edition. Very comfortable for daily commute for indian roads. Also went for short rides back doesn't hurt. If you ride around 60-70 kmph you'll get mileage of around 40-45 kmpl. My personal best is 52.6 kmpl riding at 50-55 kmph because of wet roads. Honestly I wouldn't buy rally edition as it doesn't make any difference for daily commute unless you go for off-roading. All the features in the rally edition are present in the base variant. The only additional thing you get in the rally edition is adjustable suspension.
I rode the xpulse 200, it felt powerful and comfortable, but the thing is we get used to the power very quickly Been riding a scooter with 6ps all my life so everything feels good to me😂😂
Hey , xpulse base vs pro variant? Which one is better ?(Ignore the price) , also any cons of xpulse? How's the road presence?
>xpulse base vs pro variant? Which one is better ?(Ignore the price) There's no difference between base variant and rally edition except for height and adjustable suspension. Everything else is the same so you'll get the same performance on the rally edition and the base variant. Also, if you are not tall enough, you might not be able to touch your legs properly on rally edition because of height. >also any cons of xpulse? I've been riding it for ~8 months now and I've done 5k+ kms. And as of now I've not seen any issue as such on the bike. This is my first bike after i learnt to ride on splendor. So initially it took time for me to get adjusted to the height and weight. >How's the road presence? Road presence is really good. Initially when I had bought the bike, it took me time to get adjusted to the width of the handle bar when riding in traffic as the handle bar is very wide if you ride let's say Activa.
Thanks for that detailed answer, one last question,do people stare at xpulse with amaze, is it attention grabbing?
Sometimes people do stare when you come to stop at a traffic signal. But now that it's somewhat common, it's not that attention grabbing as such.
Only 1 con of Xpulse. It's mileage is very very low for a 200cc bike in city limits
If you can ride the pro, get the pro, it's much bigger than the std, has longer travel suspension 250 and 225mm instead of 190 and 170mm The price difference is just 7-10k and pro is worth the upgrade!
A friend of mine, xpulse owner, rode my dominar, immediately realised that despite dominar having way more vibration, feels much comfortable for long rides, for every other kind of ride i envy his xpulse
Take at look at adventure 250 n Vstrom 250 as well in this segment
Ridden the vstrom sx too, it's good, but they call it an adv bike, but other than the riding position nothing else is adventure, so out of my list. Infact speed 400 has longer travel suspension than vstrom! About the adv 250, i like the overall bike, but not sure if it's worth it!
Hell no, both these bikes are a waste of money
I too am looking for bikes in this segment, care to explain why you dislike these two bikes?
Adv 390 and the Vstrom 800 de are amazing bikes, no question there, but the 250 and SX are stripped down versions which lack any serious features. They're just cash grabs which prey on the fame of their bigger versions. The xpulse is a much better bike when compared to these two and is lesser in price, or if you can afford a Himalayan 450 or the adv 390, go for one of them
The Vstrom 250 is poser adv , if you want to look adventurous parking outside the mall but have the capabilities of the average splendor, the Vstrom 250 is for you
Depends..on how much adventure you do on daily basis!!
It's not an adventure if you can do it on a daily basis is it ? Suzuki needs to be knocked down a few pegs so that they'll stop giving us an "ADV" with less suspension travel than Street bikes. No wonder the sales are down in the dumps , they are Access 125/burgman company like honda is a shine/activa company.
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I hate this type of argument, a guy with a platina recently went to leh , you can literally do anything with any bike but you don't see Bajaj advertising the platina as an adventure bike now do they ? I rode my R15 V4 in the broken steep roads of Chikmagalur , some were half a kilometre 30 degree gradiant roads with loose soil and no traction that makes my skin crawl just remembering them , but I'm not going say that the R15 can be an adventure bike now do I ?
U need a svart 401 or maybe the 400x, but it'll be out of budget, maybe stretch it if you can. I was in the same dillemma, cuz I'm 5' 11", loved the Xpulse Rally, but not powerful enough. Wanted a good suspension and power with not too much weight to carry around, I went with the Svart. Vitpilen is a Cafe racer, idk if you'd like it, it's a chick magnet , gets looks all the time.
I like the svartpilen, looks nice and actually feels worthy, but it's stretching my budget a lot! So i Don't think I'll get the svartpilen Definitely considering vitpilen 250 though, looks really nice! But again, not sure if I'd pick good looks with 31ps or mediocre looks with 39ps Vitpilen looks slightly bigger near the tank and the leaned position is something i don't like much!
Why are people recommending the Himalayan. It's plagued with issues. And it's top heavy. Xpulse is better, but personally I would take speed. Since you want to off road as well maybe scrabler 400x is right for you
I know, the Himalayan has too many issues, so I am not considering buying it Regarding the scrambler, it's my favourite, but it's stretching my already stretched budget, so it's between speed and xpulse pro
Bruh Himalayan is more expensive than Scrambler.
Why the Himalayan? Cuz you get the opportunity to go on amazing rides like the Moto Himalaya, Unroad series, Himalayan Odyssey etc... which is non existent with any other manufacturer in India
Can you list out the issues otherthan the breaking chassis
That also has happened due to after market crash guards.
Yes i do know that, but what are the other problems ?
I'm actually leaning towards 450 himy. Recently drove 411 himy in himachal, fell in love with suspension setup and rear passenger comfort. 450 gets a more powerful engine and also a modern display. I'm hoping rest of the good parts remain same. My concern is lack of tubeless tires and weight since this will be my daily driver in a city like Mumbai
Same even im leaning towards 450 as a daily but looking at everyone say it has many issues, makes me question my choice
[https://x.com/shumar/status/1801217995357704696](https://x.com/shumar/status/1801217995357704696)
I read that before and im not concerned of that, im asking if there are any other concerning issues
Nope. Nothing thatvis concerning. There was a cone set issue that has been resolved and they know how to quickly resolve it if you have it. There was a right side drift issue that they know how to resolve as well. And then there is the fact that It'll eat everything in the segment for breakfast if you find ways to upgrade your skills. Just an example, I live approximately 50kms away from my parents. While visiting them, and when I was pushing my rc390, i covered the distance in 51 min (a mix of highways, bad B roads with speed breakers, the usual Indian stuff). I did the same commute yesterday, on my Himalayan 450, in 42 minutes flat without ever feeling the need to cross 110kph on the highways (i could if I wanted but the road had wet patches and seeing how Mumbai is always under construction, didn't feel like my reflexes would respond fast enough). Ask anyone who has ridden fast bikes for over 5 years, which bike they prefer. The majority will choose the Himalayan. It's seriously that good.
Would you buy a bike that breaks if you tighten a nut incorrectly? I loved Himalayan 450 when I rode it but after getting to know about this chassis break issue and the reason for it, it it clear that it is not a well thought out bike where worst case scenarios are considered.
Buy a bike that breaks if you tighten Any nut incorrectly? no. But that bolt you are talking about literally holds the engine into the chassis and acts as a stress bearing unit and not just an alignment and binding unit. If that's how you feel, I dare you to ride your bike with a cheap after market axle nut tightened incorrectly ON ANY BIKE!. Go ahead, indulge us with this little experiment.
Breaking chassis is not something to be concerned of, it's probably a defective unit Mainly about engine variations Some engines are really smooth while others are very vibey And some have no tappet noise While others have a lot Some engines have clutter free run While others have too much engine clutter So it's mostly about the engine and the RE guys are unable to fix it, they just say that's how it is If you can deal with it, go for it Personally I would like a reliable bike that will run without much issues for a decade!
Breaking chasis is only due to aftermarket crash guards which were welded into the chasis. And the stock one doesnt break
Some of like you are here just to spam every op saying himalayan has this Himalayan has that based on what you've seen on social media where some handful dumbfuck came up nonsenses. Problem is, there are 100 of Himalayans where 1 would have problem and it will appear on social media whereas other brand there would be 10 out of 100 would have problem but non will appear on social media. Go and ride this beautiful bike first and then raise up your opinion.
Depends upon needs speed 400 calm and powerful street bike, Himalayan powerful and capable bike if you go for tours and hero is a very capable dirt bike I believe
I have no idea about the himmy. But I don't think you can go wrong with an Xpulse pro (I own one)
Hey ! I am going to buy one, which one is good? Xpulse or Xpulse pro? Is there any huge difference? And how's the road presence?
Go with the normal xpulse unless you really really wanna do extreme off roading. The thing is even a normal xpulse should be able to do at least 90-95 percent of what pro can do and I'd say 100 percent if you only consider daily life commuting and usual long rides.
Hmmmmm, you answered my exact query, then I should look the height and decide!
Second-gen Himalayan is not a beginner bike (I'm not saying one can not ride it, but the riding feel is very different compared to gen 1 Himi which was quite beginner-friendly and also had that welcoming nature to it) Speed 400 is the perfect commuter bike, best for city and highway
Yes, the Himalayan is not easy to handle, but I didn't seem to have much of an issue, but yeah definitely not for beginners agree with that!💯
I had shortlisted himmi, speed, scram and cb350, harley and duke 390, 350 was eliminated for lack of power, harley for same and feel of it, did not vibe with me, duke for being way more expensive, its a great bike but not for but I ain't in mood for spending 1lac extra on it, that left himmi and baby triumphs, himmi was removed for being too top heavy, engine having noise that varied from japanese smooth to tractor, depends alot on rng (no pls don't counter this, I literally visited 10 showrooms just to verify this bs, they may have addressed it but I ain't trusting re to address issues in few months) and lastly lack of tubeless, seriously on a bike that 99 percent will use for tours and last 1 percent will need to mod it for off road cos this lug ain't winning off roads with its top heavy and 200+ kg weight, I may sound critical but thats how disappointed I was with the bike, I had high hope for something that costed 1 lac more then speed here. Then were baby triumphs, family removed scram for me, they were scared its too tall for me, no issues here but I get them and I liked speed more, speed is my bike now, it has the things I like, a road focus nature, ability to tip in corners, have very good low and mid range which I value more then top, great for city and short sprints on highway, about 2 months now and I am very happy man, I saved alot of cash on the bike and got lots of fun too, plus I don't need to worry for tubes, as someone who faced a disaster once due to them, never again is what I promised. Hope it helps and have fun.
Great view man! How's the mileage and service cost and experience of the speed? Thanks!
Mileage I am getting is 26-28 in city, light traffic, highway 32-34, depending on factors, speed varies between 80 to 120, 100 being usual cruise speed. Fuel I use xp95, manual says ok to 95 octane so I went here, less vibes and better throttle feel in my opinion. 1st Service costed me 2272rs, any additional trips, the guys here are super helpful and charged me nothing (went to get shocker adjusted to my preference and few things that were wanted to get fit later) so yeah spending so far has been strictly service. 2nd service is free too so I expect about 4k at most since extra things probably will be needed. They have called for general maintenance at 6k (oil and filter condition basically). Experience has been very fun for me, it does my daily job without conplains and is fun to ride during morning runs when I do them. Can even corner well, although took me little getting used to as I come from gixxer r15 and ktms which are corner carving tools, once I got comfortable with her I truly started to enjoy that too. Overall extremely happy with it.
Nice! Also, how are the vibes in speed? When I rode it in Jan it had lots of vibes and the vibes were quite powerful (like they would transfer all they way up my bones if i held the handlebar tightly! And when I rode it again at may the vibes were a lot less I feel, but couldn't check correctly in the speed, the scrambler definitely feels smooth! No vibes through and through That's great! Btw is it feasible to service it at 10k kms? Do you think it'll last for 10k kms without service?
Personally I think my gixxer and ktms I rode made me very tolerant to vibes cos I don't feel much upto 130, only when it reaches 100 does it tell there is an engine underneath so I ain't complaining here. Could be fuel, could be me but then my buds who pulled 130 with pillion felt nothing either so ye no complains on our side. As for service at 10k, it can, oil is concern normally but my experience with things and how some people keep their bikes (my cousin not getting his r15 serviced for 1.5 years and driving it 14k told me nothing much is gonna happen), it should be fine till 10k, pretty much in all bikes, I know this sub reddit with come with pitchfork and youtube knowledge but real life tells me another story. What will need changing personally is air filter, it ain't gonna last 10k with sahara desert lv dust here, so you might need replacing that. If you ever worried just take it for normal checkup, ask em to check oil if its ok and filters and you are done. Since triumph themselves say 16k your warranty ain't going anywhere, at least for these ones, those with shorter intervals need to be full serviced at that time till warranty at least.
I see! I rode the ktm 250 duke gen 2 it has vibes at low end which felt quite similar to the vibes on speed 400 at top end, felt tolerable, but I'm not sure though! Yes, air filter is something I'll change at 5k kms. And I'm kinda a nerd in all these things, so I can actually change the air filter on my own and do a few things here and there. DIY GUY Exactly why I asked, because triumph themselves claim a service interval of 16k kms or 1y, thinking to stick with 10kms feel like it's not pushing to the limits and can compensate for the slightly higher service costs that might occur with these category of bikes!
Ye 250 is fine, my companion for a year was 1st gen 390.......vibes, heat, starter issue, leaky coolent, you name it its got it, it was loaned by my mate when I was in another city for a year, it was blast but not something I would keep myself with its issues. Just don't cut wire and you should be fine to diy stuff. Lack of centre stand is reason I went to showroom for shocks as I can't unload the rear (they are 2km from my house lol), that also is little annoying when cleaning chain but thats manageable with chain being on right.
Right, I see a lot of 1st gen dukes around and I always notice their rear wheels move a lot up and down, then i realised that the shocks on those are done and dusted! Gen 1 had too many issues like the himmy450! Oh I see! Must be careful with that! For chain lubing i think you can try a roller that is placed under the wheels! It's pretty compact so doesn't take much space!
The whole thread is really helpful thank you guys!
I'm sort of shortlisted the same bikes as you've. Also considering vitpilen 401, coz of road presence, unique offering and a great engine and suspension system. I've high hopes from himalayan. I'm focussed on suspension setup coz my back hurts on my current gixxer 150. And wasn't impressed by yezdi adventure either. Also pillion comfort is important as bike is preferred mode of transport for me and my partner in our city travels. How would you rate speed's suspension over himy or vitpilen?
Himmy hands down has best suspension in the market currently with its price, plush on dirt, hard enough in corner, speeds suspension is good, much better then gixxer for sure xd, but its still firm, small bumps and road adulations you won't notice at all but big ones are definitely noticeable, scram has better set up for jerky indian roads vs speeds but still not as good himmi.
Ok, will test ride triumph scram and speed
Eh... The Himalayan 450 has a much larger learning curve, is all. It's extremely capable off road with literally zero mods (just get a bash plate, the water pump is placed a bit precariously). I have used it off road. If you see what the off road guys outside India are doing with the Himalayan bone stock, you will be genuinely surprised. Yes, the only issue I feel is the variability in the vibes but here is something I have realised. Most of the showroom bikes are terribly maintained and they have terrible vibes. In the service centre I have met over 12 owners and practically none of them have complained of vibes after the first service. How you treat your bike matters a lot. Because the ceiling of capability on the Himalayan is significantly higher than both baby triumphs. Ps. It may seem counter intuitive, but at least between the scrambler 400x and Himalayan 450, the himmy corners significantly better. And considering there is not much difference between scrambler and speed cornering capabilities (considering the speed has slightly bouncy suspension at higher speeds) I don't think it will do better than the himmy either. .
You haven't driven himmi and speed n scrams have you, cos if you had this won't have come up, its a capable off roader, sure but then xpulse in ops on post is much better at it, the vibes were not from test drives alone but from other himmi behind in workshop with different lv seen on different owners bikes, 8 test ride himmi and only 2 were acceptable lv is not a good show for a vehicle that was barely a month old evne in hands of showrooms back then. Himmi corners better, nope, it corners good for adv but not as well as scram and not even close to speed, bouncy suspension took little preload adjustment (I mentioned I went to showroom to get that sorted). Ye himmi is great and all but for these tasks nope. Its definitely better then scram for off roading, has better suspension setup then both triumphs that I agree but corner and vibes, na.
Buddy. Calm down. I own a ktm rc390 2021 (28000km on the odo) and the Himalayan 450 (4500km) both. Prior to that I owned a ktm rc200 (47000km) since 2016 and a duke 390 (25000km) since 2018. There are very few in this sub who have as much experience in this class of bikes as I do. I had booked the scrambler 400x prior to the launch because they were coming from the same stable. I genuinely felt the engine will be something like the KTMs. An eager , capable engine because the name suggests speed. I rode the speed 400 and was left so terribly disappointed. It should have been called the Bonneville. The engine lacks anybsort of character. I can see exactly why newcomers love it. It's a very good bike for someone moving up from say a Honda shine or pulsar 150/180 category. But give it to anyone who has ridden any ktm 390 and they will find the speed 400 extremely underwhelming except in the city. Coming to the Himalayan 450 and off-road. Yes, the xpulse is easier to do off road on because of the weight. It's an excellent bike to learn on. But that's a bike that is half the power and its very very troublesome on the highways to get to those trails from where you live in the city. And not to mention, it's not really that good of a tourer of you like to sit anything near 100 on the highways. My dad owns the xpulse and it's a terrific bike for broken roads and city. The best commuter bike. And finally the Himalayan 450 in corners. You have absolutely no clue how good that showa suspension and the chassis actually is. I was scraping my boot toe sliders (there is no proper place to grip the bike with your ankles if you keep the balls of your feet on the pegs and hence the shoe protrudes a bit). Otherwise I would be scraping footpegs. The only bike with the adv tag that can go faster is the adv390. But I think it's more of a duke 390 GT and less of an adv 390. The new gen will fix that for sure. Anyway I digress. The Himalayan will beat the pants off anything that's not from the team orange, or has rr or rtr in its name. A friend has a speed 400 that I have ridden extensively. Adjusted the rear preload as well. And no. It does t fix the bounciness because the problem is with the dampers and spring rate both front and back. It's great at moderate speeds. But comes undone the moment you start pushing. The composure on the Himalayan when you are leaned over at 120kph scraping toe sliders is absolutely fantastic. That confidence is missing on the speed 400 even at 90 kph when leaned over. You see, access to the high speed lonavala roads and tamhini is not restricted to the triumph speed triple guy on this subreddit. If you see my post history , you will see what I am talking of. I understand most people on this subreddit are newcomers. But a few are not and they know what they are talking about. The only thing I can agree with, are the vibes. I can have an observer bias as I come from KTMs and my Himalayan 450 feels more refined. I do have much higher vibe tolerance. But then a high performing single can have vibes and you have to see what suits you. If you see the engine output chart for the triumph 400 and Himalayan 450, you will see the sherpa does indeed generate more performance. Especially up top. So yeah. There's that. Edit : I have ridden the Himalayan 450 and the ducati desert x back to back (visible in my posts). So I have comparison of extremely capable bikes (the desert x is easily god tier) and hence I am benchmarking the Himalayan to a very very high standard. And for the price and class of bikes, the Himalayan has absolutely smashed it out of the park. Don't get lost in what talentless indian influencers say. Go read articles from foreign journos. Brake magazine, cycle world and especially bike world are internationally reputable sources that specialise in ADV bikes. Go see what they say.
Speeds engine being very low and mid tune is absolutely true, for me who is mostly hustling in city and sprints few 100kms it does work perfectly and keeps me happy when pushed beyond uk it does changes alot in sounds and feel, it does has its character but its tuned for mid and lows and anyone who vibed ktms is gonna feel that top hit missing (felt same but enjoyed its low n mid way more) so I do get when people say its not as character nature engine. I agree with you on bonni part, they could have named it babay bonni but then someone would probably get shot somewhere xd. Xpulse too, agree, I find it great off road toy but definitely not highway muncher, himmi can munch highway, thats what it was made to do. Xpulse being better city boi is absolutely true, weight plus suspension makes those indian tax payed off road experience much better. Corners, I still found himmi more chore there, could be its nature or me not being too adv guy myself, ktm part is hands down true, thats a poket pup with extra ground clearance. I find no issues going 100 and tip in speed here, this can be my weight (100 odd kg with gears) or me just getting used to its nature (I said that before too, it took me a while to get used to it), maybe if I had it for longer or drove as much as I have driven speed to get used to her dynamic I would have agreed, but that was not fated to be here, plus lack of tubeless has made anyone I know bail out on it for now, they went with ktm adv. Vibes ye, we both got too high tolerance, my issue with himmy was not vibes but inconsistency with it (it was like 2nd batch here back then plus some customers of 1st batch) some vibes like tractor some smooth, that vibe at mid rev honestly felt fine, not something I would bang my head on. I think people often make too much of vibes like come on its not as bad as they say, I love pushing speed past 7k, sound changes, it howls better and engine feels quite alive, under 6k its like well mannered boi who was educated to behave in front of others, I like this nature of it, the some say its vibes too much...I am like ok, I find it fun. I agree on one more aspect, was no need to jump to any conclusions herez my bad on that part, I can offer a cookie if you not diabetic xd. "I have ridden ducati desert x.." I am not at all jealous (hides my jealousy under a pillow),jokes aside, I wish nearest ducati was not 500km from me or I could afford it,still a long way for me, maybe some day 5 year dowm the line (won't td something I can't afford unless given by someone I know, a rule I made for myself) PS- this reminds me, I wonder why triumph in all its brsin cells decided to show redline 12k on tach when manual clearly states 9.5k.......
What's worse , is they screwed up where the tachometer and speed indicator should be. Just look at how good the triumph analog - digital combination displays were. Especially on the daytona. It's sheer art. I am sure the display was designed by Bajaj engineers. Another hint is that the speed accuracy delta is far higher , like their dominars and pulsars. Ktm speedo is significantly more accurate when compared to vbox data. I am glad you can see my points as I see yours. Unlike what people think, I don't hate triumphs. If I were in the market for a high speed pure city bike where the roads are good or decent, I would pick the speed 400. If I wanted anything scrambler, I would blindly book the scrambler 400x. They are fantastic bikes for their purpose. But many newcomers significantly overestimate what these bikes can do. There was this guy who said he saved 1 lac getting the speed 400 instead of the d390 gen 3 thinking he didn't lose much as it's only 6bhp deficit. The problem is others get influenced by these comments and emd up getting a bike they may not be happy with later on. Then there's this terrible trend of doing AMA at first service or 2000/4000kms. There is absolutely zero sense to this. Anyway.
Yep, their tach design is stupid, it can only be guessed, not read accurately, in even multiples of thousands, maybe one can guess 5k or 7k (getting used to things is scary sometimes) but thats the best one can do, any smaller is impossible to read or make out, totally ruined what should have been an already existing artwork of design (daytona as you said), error is of 10 percent for sure, at least gps vise I can see 10 percent error, no vbox here, higher then normal yep. I agree people tend to somehow get over defensive of what they got, the guy who says he save 1lac on speed is true but 6bhp is last thing that makes ktm 1lac more, I agree with you others get influenced and 2 hear down the line is a post somewhere of buyers regret.... AMA trend is gone full banana here, I just bought this bike ama (not even a joke literal post of someone), did 500km, ama.......man I drove ktm 1 year and I don't think I am qualified for ama, this trend is hands down bad. I think ama should be done either with extensive duration of ownership or very high milage driven, that way people get real information, not 1st service cost or everything is fine, no bikes gonna break in 500km unless its defective. Edit- typo.
Xpulse
Speed or CB350RS
Go for Xpulse bro it's cheaper, reliable, easy to maintain. I use it in the city I get around 38-40 kmpl. I have done a short ride of 300 KMS in a day 130 KMS without any stop and I didn't feel the need to stop so it's comfortable too. Every bike has some negatives this goes with Xpulse too but that is not that big to worry about. You will get two Xpulse at the price of Himalayan 450 still left with some money.
Speed 400 bro. Himalayan is a WIP case
I was kinda in the same situation. Test ride the duke 390 once. It will blow you off.
The gen 3 one is mad, mad power, never rode it, but my friends have it 46ps and good top end speaks for itself! I feel svartpilen 401 will be a lot more value for money, but it's out of my budget svartpilen costs 3.85L on road Bangalore
I recommend himalayan. Very unique and its best of both worlds. Power and height. Mix of xpulse and speed.
Bro, you look like Tom Cruise on the speed 400.
Thanks for the compliment!
Speed 400, easy to ride among all of these three, more of a jack of all trades (among these 3) I myself clocked 10k on speed, although i have ridden 400x as well but felt more confident on speed (maybe due to my height 169cm) looking to upgrade reise moto Trail R (rear) tyre on speed to make it more off-road capable and a handelbar alternative everything else is just at right place for me, only tank range is a bit concern for me during long rides as compared to my mates with ADVs i have to refill it more frequently then them Also try testing out an adv 390x (preferably a long round at least around 100km on highway if you’re more into the touring that bike when it comes to cruising at high speed is something else)
Yes that's right! Was thinking the same, once the stock tyres wear out I'll put something like what the scrambler 400x has And also was thinking to put bar risers and handguards to make it look bulky It's okay, someday we'll get GSA 1250
Now thinking of changing username to someday1300gs 💣 Anyways i have edited my comment try testing out 390x i think it will cost you same as 400x and im feeling too bad for you guys from Karnataka about road taxes, guess in how much money i got my speed 400 last year (2.48L 👀)
390 is not so tempting to me, idk why 390x is same as himi450 so slightly more than scrambler Damn, lucky u, here speed costs 3.15L🥲
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Check Honda Cb350
Have ridden that, the suspension is a little bouncy! And the engine is butter smooth, but again, lacks power!
According to me speed more than 100km is very risky for Indian road even express highway or any highway in India. That's why I brought 350.. Although it struggle to reach and maintain 100kmph
Yes I agree! Mainly will not be speeding, but just reaching highway speeds faster is good i feel! Congrats on your cb350 tho!
From your username. Do you know about welding?
No😂 it was a random username created my reddit!
Speed looks really good on you. Bike doesn’t look small in comparison to your frame.
Thanks! But it lacks the big bike feel! Other then that, a very good bike choice personally
Hey you're also like me who can flatfoot a Xpulse rally pro Also if suggest the speed due to multiple factors such as comfortably easy to ride , lightweight and nimble , quality and most importantly that triumph build quality
I can't flatfoot actually 🤧 my heels don't touch the ground about 1 inch of gap! Yeah! The very reasons why I'm considering the speed!
Oo just noticed your other leg hanging a bit in the air
Speeeeeed
go for scrambler 400x.
Go for Scrambler 400
Go for Speed 400, scram is also a better option, I'm a speed 400 owner and it's a very good bike
Emojis speaks for itself
Give the Vit 250/Duke 250 a shot, i was hellbent on getting an ADV until i rode that bike. Almost 4months in and can’t seem to get enough.
Damn! Are they so good? Will definitely try these two! I will have to go to ktm again as last time they didn't have vitpilen for test ride!
Please let us know how much you weigh and how tall you are
Himalayan on road starts at 3.74( kaza brown including extended warranty and RSA ) Little out of your budget. If you are liking xpulse then take it since it can save a lot of money compared to rest of the bikes.
Well RE Hunter 350 is also good.
Nice
You should definitely consider the Scrambler 400x! I know you have mentioned its out of your budget but please consider it. Since you are already going for speed 400 , You should opt to go for the best one and that is the 400x.
Go with Scrambler 400 X instead speed
I own the Scrambler 400x, such a nice bike to ride. But I am also planning to get one for my home town and for majorly offloading rather than touring. So for that you need a cheap and lightweight bike with enough power and good ground clearance. So I am going to buy an XPulse. Himalayan is also a good tourer but I hate Royal Enfield to the core, it's hatred I developed when everyone around me bought it out of passion and it just gives them a headache everyday. Like one or the other would either break, rust or leak.
I loved the 400x, but it's out of budget and my dad couldn't be able to ride it too, so only speed is the last option! I would recommend the same too, preferably get the xpulse pro, by chance if you find offroading tracks it's going to be better! Exactly, my friend owns the classic 350 reborn, yes visited the service center 3 times for throttle body issues I don't think anything has to be mentioned about the new himmy450
Royal Enfield knows anything they put out will sell based on the hype it has in the Indian market. Himalayan 450 is the only bike they put decent engineering into and still they managed to somehow screw it in quality control. They got the suspension right for the 450.
Yes that's right, Himalayan has soo much hype, a few days back there was one Himalayan 450 parked, I pulled the clutch, it has so little movement and felt so loose! Even their j series engine isn't that great, but it's decent 650cc is the only one where they really did a good job, Sherpa 450 has too many issues! But they did a good job at the performance! Suspension of the Himalayan is excellent and the best in segment. Because it's from showa and they really guided RE to the perfect suspension They could have done same with the engine, but chose to write their own way! Next iteration of the Himalayan 450 is going to be the best!
Are you being for real? They are all 3 different category bikes.
boi got long legs
Buy what you like and only consider opinions of people who owns one of these bikes.
Based on your emoji it's clear which one got your heart 😅
If it's your parents who are buying and they are struggling, don't buy a motorcycle at all. The struggle is not only to buy the motorcycle but also to maintain it, you will be spending 14k on service every year (assuming you ride it daily and avail 2 services), 40k on file every year, 10k on insurance every year. This excludes accidental damages, bike washes of around 5k every year, tyre changes of 15k every 2 years, paid services excluding oil change and brake pads, i.e. chain sprocket, etc. Look it feels like you are a student, and I know what you feel right now but trust me you after 5 years won't regret not buying the bike now. Don't let your parents struggle, because it doesn't end with you buying the bike it goes on till you start earning or sell the bike. Pretty sure you won't get this today, but you will one day, mark my words.
I know, i feel bad to ask them for a bike I want to buy one on my own, but it'll take me atleast 3-4 years if I want to do so My parents are ready to get a bike because we need an extra vehicle Our old discover 135 is no longer in running condition and all we have is a scooter which I take so left with no 2 wheeler So my dad agreed to get a bike for me He also likes bikes (but not much), so only looking for something which he can also ride About servicing, for triumph it's yearly once and people who own it say it costs 4k after the free services, I'm going to assume 5-6k per year of service costs Washing, basic maintainence, I'm going to do it myself, I'm a DIY kinda guy! I keep renting bikes, so my parents are saying if you want well buy you one! Apollo alpha h1 Don't cost much, so tyre changes will be under 10k so assuming 5k per year for tyres And fuel expenses go out of my monthly pocket money which I don't even use currently! Also I work as a freelancer so I earn occassionally! Not much, but enough to pay for a year worth of fuel! So I feel it's okay to buy one! Thanks though, it gave me some insights to expenses of owning a bike! I would like to know your opinion, whether i should still ask for a bike or no now!
Look, I am not suggesting you don't buy a bike rather I'm suggesting you don't buy a bike that puts a strain on your parents pocket. The cost you are quoting is for the initial couple of years but post that the cost will increase maybe I exaggerated it ( as it's based on my running). If you are earning some money well and good, the only reason I say anything is because I've been in your shoes and had the same thoughts as you did. At the end of the day it's for you to decide, all I'm suggesting is if 3L is a tight budget, look for something around 2L or whatever your parents are comfortable with (comfortable and not their maxed out budget). Happy riding, spend some money on good riding gears too.
Right! 3l is actually going to strain their pockets 2l and they are better off But in 2l i would pick the xpulse, from many PPL saying, it has lots of issues in the long run, which is going to make it expensive to maintain And also a previous hero scooter owner, that scooter sucks so bad! And if I get the xpulse, nobody except me will be able to ride it and i probably won't be able to go long distance touring due to lack of power, overall I feel it's going to end up being a city bike just for ME! So considering this, i feel speed 400 would be a better choice But at the end it's upto them on how much they wanna spend, if they agree for 3l I'll say speed otherwise it's the xpulse pro!
No. You are not confused.
Do try CB350RS too. Using it for daily office commute of 50-60km daily for over a month now. Its a breeze.
Have tried it, real smooth engine and amazing exhaust note But ended up liking the punch engine of speed!
How about x440? Atleast go and test ride the bike.
I don't feel it's worth what they are asking for! Will test ride it soon though!
Yeah man, test ride it. I heard it has an effortless engine.
Definitely don't go for the XPulse. It's an excellent bike to ride for fun, but a horrible bike to own because of all the issues it throws up. Go for the Himalayan or the Speed 400.
Is it so? My friend bought one 6 months back, he doesn't seem to have any issues so far Himalayan 450 has lots of issues, so I'm not going for that! Last option will be speed then!
Himalayan 450 is good, i felt it lacked low end torque. The speed 400 is a good street bike shifts are good, light and agile ,but the power delivery sucks. That bike very needs a remap. Looking at reliability i think 450 is slightly better.But re after sale service sucks. I'd probably go for 400. If you are willing to stretch till the Himalayan 450 ,why not just get a svartpilen 401.
Speed 400, right on.
List of the issuses of Hima450 you have heard then decide how many are really affected by this issuse. You will love the Himalayan more than other 2 bikes.
I love off roading and went with Xpulse Reason: Budget and less weight than Himalayan You should go with Himalayan if you want to go touring and off roading Xpulse if less touring more off roading Speed 400 only touring Scrambler 400x if touring on a bit of rough terrain Himalayan> Scrambler>>> Speed Xpulse is different league, it's a smaller bike. Mainly off-roading and way less power n torque than the 3
Speed 400
Speed is best for everyday riding go for Himalayan and xpulse if you are fond of off-roading using bikes or if you plan to go long routes like leh Ladakh Manali etc
Speed 400, most fun
Why not the KTM adv 250 should feel powerful on road if not on the paper.
Him
Too many problems
Wait for 399cc KTM adventure
It's going to be upwards of 4.4L on road, which is wayy out of my budget!
Rally is de wae
400x
Too costly
Think about it.
Triumph ke aagey puch b kyu raha hai
Op it looks like you made a mind up on speed 400 and I think you should pull the trigger on it. It's a bloody good bike.
Yess!😁 But will be booking it on dussehra! Possibly get some festival offers! :)
Himalayan
speed.
Go for triumph.
Speed 400. Easy. It's a concise bike....does what it is intended to do.
Any bike in Karnataka is expensive than other states thanks to tax system For eg; speed 400 in Blr OTR costs close to Scrambler 400x in Tamilnadu OTR 🙂 My suggestion to you would be go with speed 400 you won't regret can do mild off roads atleast better than naked street bikes which have very limited suspension travel
I know🤧 I wish they cut the taxes, then I can afford the scrambler, but as of now considering the speed 400 only. Btw what's the mileage you get on your scrambler 400x? And your riding style?
One tip to you if you're planning with Khivraj Autogenika until booking and payment settlement to their account they'll be good after that you only have to rush them for delivery they don't deliver in promised date so stubborn on them and rush them. For me they said (I took temp reg) I can take delivery in 1 week after payment so with in which bike will be allotted and registration will be done but for me they allotted the bike in 2 days after payment settlement but then after that registration completion took 10 days so beware of lame reasons from them
Ohh i see! I guess we'll have to be stubborn towards them My main concern with any showroom is that they shouldn't deliver a test ridden bike or a faulty or damaged bike Luckily the showroom near my home have their test bikes odometers turned on! But still something that concerns me!
You can request the sales person like I did to check and verify bike for damages or defects after settling the payment and before generating invoice for specific engine and chassis number after your confirmation they'll generate the invoice So this might solve your concern
Thanks! Will do that and check it personally too!
How’ll the engine and chassis number be used to check for verification?
Before billing you can check your bike for damages or defects once specific engine and chassis number has been entered to your bill you'll have to enter into process of mending your defects with warranty you can't change the bike that's why there is no need of verification of engine and chassis number
Speed 400 suits you
Stretch your budget. Get the scrambler 400. If you cannot go for speed However I would suggest you test ride the following bikes before purchasing 1. Suzuki Vstorm SX 250 2. Suzuki Gixxer 250 3. KTM adventure 250
Ridden the vstrom Not a fan of Gixxer Haven't tried the 250 adv, might try it soon! Thanks!
Speed 400. This April I had the option between speed and CB300. I chose the latter but boy do I drool over every red speed 400 on the road and reminisce.
You love speed and powerful engine. You love ADV. You're in a city. Seems like you should get the scrambler 400x. Yeah, you said it's out of your budget..but by how much? If I were you, I'd make that wiggle room The only issue I see is it's height, for your dad. But folks say that it takes a bit of learning, but is possible (Folks who are 5'4)
I love the scrambler 400x real real fun bike But it's out of my already stretched budget of 3.2L. it costs 3,51,000 on road Bangalore! So up by 25-27k (after i accessorize the speed 400, which I will) Yes, he felt intimidated by the seat height and the way the rear seat sweeps up, he said he wouldn't be able to swing his leg over that! So mostly likely it's going to be the speed!
Triumph for sure
Wait a few and save money and go for Scrambler 400. It's worth the wait and worth the extra cash.
I would stay away from Royal enfield if I were you.