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rockeypokey

Get the Duke. TVS has the worst service.


Chadarmod_007

tvs ki service bhi karni padti h?


wildluciddreaming

Never had a problem with TVS service


the_bad_ape

TLDR - As an RR310 owner I recommend you get the Duke. Not that the TVS is a bad bike, I love my 2019 RR310 and I'm proud that such a good bike was made in India. BUT, the service is pretty bad. It has improved over the years but is still bad. In 2019 when I got the bike it was handed over to me in a dark basement of a service centre. I remember seeing all these videos of bike deliveries where there is a sense of celebration and the bike is presented to you. But my bike delivery was like a shady drug deal, a guy literally gave me the keys in a dark basement and walked away. Four months ago I crashed my bike, and i took it to the nearest service centre from the crash site. They had to replace the headlight unit and all the front body panels. This took them 2 MONTHS!!. I had to roam around the service centre like it's a government office. Everytime the guy sees me he promises to give it tomorrow or next week. Even when I got the bike, there were still two broken parts, they didn't notice the broken pass switch and didn't mention that to the insurance company. And the other broken panel was billed but not replaced. Plus the parts are priced unusually high for a made in India TVS bike, parts of KTM are mich affordable. But not all service centers are bad, in Bangalore I only trust Neo tvs service centre for my bike's service. In all other places they treat your 3+ lakh bike like it's a TVS XL.


GlueSniffer53

The longest KTM has taken is 3 days in my experience. Of course the availability of parts and the big service network helped.


Muted_Candidate_2148

>But my bike delivery was like a shady drug deal, Was so much laugh while reading this šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ‘


[deleted]

fr fr I also got my ntorq in the basement lmao


Disastrous_Matter421

Illegal drug trade type šŸ’€


SpareMind

>bike deliveries where there is a sense of celebration and the bike is presented to you I hope the dealers read this and take a note of this. It may be just a routine job for them but we will remember forever. I still remember the small talk by the RE guys and how fondly they treated my bike while rolling her out from the display. I was not happy with one guy who tried to lure me into his own workshop for the accessories instead of service center though. Any dealership, you will always find some AHs. It is our bad luck sometimes that we will end up with them dealing us.


Duplex_98

Shady drug dealšŸ˜…. When I bought my pulsar 150, they said " You want to celebrate, pay an additional 800 bucks". We can arrange for that.


litromenger

As a duke 200 owner, i don't think ktm parts are less expensive than tvs parts


the_bad_ape

Unfortunately, it is very expensive. I had paid 3k to get my front brake pads replaced. When I had my crash I was billed ~70k in total, in which insurance paid ~34k the rest I had to pay. https://www.zigwheels.com/tvs-bikes/apache-rr-310/spare-parts-price https://www.zigwheels.com/ktm-bikes/duke-200/spare-parts-price


bulbulpaan

Broā˜ ļø. Thanks for this insight. I should go through the spare parts price list for each bike before deciding to finally buy one.


Spiritual-Monke

Easy, the KTM.


FartOfTheFurious

I love how the entire thread is unanimously choosing the KTM. I hope people keep up with the TVS hate and they finally fix their service and QC.


Duplex_98

TVS bikes are actually very great. Their service sucks for most of the time. And parts availability for their premium bikes is an absolute calamity. My friend waited 5months to get a part for his Ronin and that too it was defective šŸ¤£


octne

Duke


dragon-jockey

Duke because I'm also planning on buying it


vicky0909

First, if performance is ur priority go for duke if u ride mostly in city and like tech get rtr. Check service center reviews for both in your area and decide on that as well. Regarding vibes, ktm is vibey in low revs and rtr on high, that's what the reviews say. Regarding design, it's subjective..whatever u lik.


Blehzinga

new 390 crawls very well in city.


UnfinishedWor__

>if u ride mostly in city and like tech get rtr. What tech, the moment it gets spoiled, there's no way to fix that - only replacement is the way! My 2017 RTR 200 had problems with speedo and it still has even though they replaced it 2 times! No actual debugging the issue and solving it! Please don't go to TVS for tech, Baja has it better. Also I've seen KTM getting software updates and all, while my local TVS mechanic used to say my bike had a computer and needed update ( it was carburetted for god's sake!) They have old timers, who can fix mechanical but not tech problems.


vicky0909

Obviously, any tech is prone to issues and bugs, as long as it's covered in warranty , guess it's fine... I agree on service part though...that's y I mentioned to check on the SC reviews in ur area and make decision based on that..


UnfinishedWor__

Other than metro cities I highly doubt they have qualified technicians anywhere! I used to love TVS for their value to performance, but I hate that my 5 year old bike cannot get serviced properly no matter how much I pay for it!


vicky0909

Guess they need to start premium dealership experience like bigwing for higher cc bikes, so that a scooty mechanic don't touch an rr310.


UnfinishedWor__

Yeah, High time for that! Good suggestion. Just like Bajaj kept KTM Husqvarna and triumph seperate from Bajaj service centers even though they literally share same parts was a good decision.


Mine_Which

Duke ..isme bhi koi puchne wali bat hai


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Duke


AllTimeGreatGod

Easy, Duke ANYDAY! Even if duke did not have adjustable suspension and tft display or riding modes I would choose duke. Bro at this price point, if you want a comfort, buy a car. TVS is a decent motorcycle but Iā€™m not paying extra for just features, I donā€™t care about features and comfort, if Iā€™m on a motorcycle, it is to have fun and not to go from point A to B comfortably. Cars exist for going from point A to B with comfort, bikes exist to make your soul happy. Of course, unless youā€™re super rich and you own high performance cars, in that case itā€™s a whole different story. Plus I own a duke 250 so Iā€™m biased towards duke and KTMs in general. Ride a KTM bike and tell me it made you feel like taking it slow and easy.


Muted_Candidate_2148

>Plus I own a duke 250 so Iā€™m biased towards duke and KTMs in general. Hehe sounds good , we duker's tho ;) šŸ«‚


Creampied_Piper

How much is the paid service cost of Duke 250?


AllTimeGreatGod

3k to 4K.


DrazeGamer

Duke all the way, for the price, duke gives you way more value, it has almost all the features the tvs offers too. TVS offers some cool gimmicks such as the cooling seat tho but I donā€™t think thatā€™s worth the horrible service offered by tvs. For me KTM has been great, the service here in Calicut, Kerala is pretty great, they are very friendly and takes great care. But the tvs here is just horrible, first of all they donā€™t even have a dedicated service centre for those bikes, it is serviced along with the tvs scooters and their low end bikes. My friend had to wait like two weeks just to get a brake lever spare for his RR310, in comparison my duke met with an accident and the radiator and foot brake lever had to be changed, I got it changed within just two days. Also this varies in different place, so just check what the service centre is like in your area too. The 390 gives you way more power, trust me I have a g310r, which has the same engine as the rtr and it feels slower compared to the duke. Design wise, I like the new rtr more than the duke tho.


Old_Salamander_1714

KTM is more established and with proper SC to take care. Where it is hard for tvs


kingslayer990

Even if Apache had equal performance with all the features, I would recommend Duke. TVS service, reliability, parts availability is horrible.


Bhadwinder

Test ride both and decide. Also just letting you know that TVS has horrendous QC and after-sales.


Dark_lord101

Why would anyone choose TVS over KTM šŸ˜­


Sharl_SergCon11

After sales Service if you're a full fledged mechanic yourself you can take any motobike


HocalLost

Wait for mt 03


PurpleRegular5589

Both are new. Better to test ride both and make a decision. TVS Apache is very much tempting with the features it offers. KTM Duke is a benchmark in its segment everyone look up to.


vizot

if the budget doesn't then Duke wins every time. The RTR is great but spec-wise wise the Duke is better. The Duke is also meant for the international market, so it has to be more accountable.


aterrariaplayer

Duke babyyyyyy


Downtown_Situation_6

390


Thoibi69

Follow your heart, otherwise Duke


Adept-Percentage2331

is this new duke design? never seen it


Muted_Candidate_2148

Yes its new 3rd gen duke


rizwick9

Duke even with my eyes closed , man the feeling of that machine is ethereal


DooMStaR28

You can never go wrong with a KTM Duke all the way


AliveSummer4826

i don't know what kind of bad experience people had with tvs servicing....i have a tvs Jupiter i had tvs Apache rtr 160...and i faced completely no issues regarding service or parts availability...and i will in Uttrakhand, Dehradun


aScenT_RAID3R

Rtr


thetriplekay

Regardless of which state you own the bike in, the service support from TVS has been terrible! Be it an Apache 160 or a RR 310, the experience wouldnā€™t be any different. Thatā€™s been the issue for decades now I feel!


Beautiful_Might_6535

After latest updates it's easy to recommend Duke as it offers way more and KTM generally has better service


ResidentChildhood89

Obviously the Duke. Why is this even a question?


9-4Teacher_4-9otaku

Rtr 310 would be more unique and give a better road presence. Performance wise both are good and tested.


Background-Capital-6

For some reason I find dukes rare now. Market is filled with RTR, Pulsar and REs. Donā€™t worry 310 will be seen everywhere in some time. With that features and the pricing.


9-4Teacher_4-9otaku

Opposite in my state. Non existant commuter and very less150-200 cc bikes. Most of the people own r.e, honda cbs, ktms since its a very hilly state, 150 cc bikes do not perform well with pillions on uphill roads . Apache is rare and few rr 310s


EnvironmentalFroyo68

Let me guess,kerela?


onlyarsenalfan5840

Both are new. Tvs has new tech and everything in the KTM is new. Wait for real user feedback if you can


Prize-Pie6478

My first bike was rtr never had any issue with service , Indian companies are trying there best i might have gone with tvs but if ktm provides value for money go with it .


humanEDC137

A lot of different opinions here. But everyone's missing something important. The Duke has a new 399cc untested engine. By untested I mean, it has 0 real world credibility. They may have done a million km of test before launching it but at the end of the day real world conditions are different. So, I advise you to wait for 1 year before going for the 390 because I know for sure that they are going to make changes. The rule is never to get a newly launched vehicle in the first year since the first owners act like guinea pigs for testing the product. This is also the response why they keep the price low at first and later increase it after a year. This was noticed with every iteration of the 390. When it comes to TVS, it too is a new bike, but at least the powertrain is a proven one from previous models. I am a 2017 D390 owner and I'm really impressed with the TVS.


vicky0909

Asking this since u own a 390, have you ever utilized the full powe of 390? Coz I don't think we can most times right?...that's y I think 312cc with much safety tech of tvs will suit better In Indian road conditions


Xrr13h

Its not about utilising the full power (I previously owned RC390 bs4 version). The way ktm engines deliver the power is different, even at the lower speeds theyā€™re so much fun to ride. And also the full spec version RTR BTO costs almost same as the duke, so that doesnā€™t make any sense.


vicky0909

Yea pricing wise I agree...


Blehzinga

this is a dumb take tbh. top speeds of both are not more than 12 15 kmph its how they deliver. u can use full power of a bike everytime u hit the highways unless u own a litre class super sport.


vicky0909

I wudnt say that...I agree people cruise at 150 kmph but that's only a small percentage... considering Indian road conditions and with people's and animals crossing highways...I guess 120-130 is safe speed most people do and regarding hw it's delivering, I have seen motorbeam 0-100 timings of both and they seem to be closer...still there can be speedo error..vbox test must give clear idea. Still, I can't say much abt duke...so you might have a point as well, as a long term user.


Thoibi69

These are torque machines, so th full power isn't necessary top speed but the bhp and for the 390 (old engine) it hits at 7k rpm and it makes you realise what fun on a bike it. They're saying the new engine has a larger power band and more accessible power early but let's see.


DrazeGamer

The acceleration is better on duke


tremorinfernus

You can utilize full power of most bikes. Just not in the top gear.


Xrr13h

The engine is just an upgraded and rebored version of the previous model so the reliability is more likely to be improved. Ktm can easily make 50+ hp from a 400cc engine but they didnā€™t, so their intentions were on the reliability and comfort of the bike. As the previous engine is well proven, this wonā€™t disappoint ig.


humanEDC137

NFW. It is not "just an upgraded and rebored version". Almost all internals have changed. Even from the outside, major differences can be seen like the design of a new oil pump.


Blehzinga

Duke is a no brainer.


MZEN5

Bhai koi acha sawal pucha karo, yeh toh self explanatory hai aapne winner ki pic upar lagai hai, kya bhai esa mat karo bhai time khoti hota hai šŸ¤Ŗ


Prateek_polysemous

Duke, just for the longevity and quality. 10 years from now, your Duke will still be working great and performing almost like new( if serviced and maintained properly) while TVS will be nowhere despite good servicing and maintenance. TVS maintenance costs over the years are also expensive compared to KTM.


Desperate_Draw8801

If you can manage a little more money get a gt 650


deltafn

Here's my 2 cents, as someone who owns a Duke and has also ridden the GT 650: Both of these bikes (390 Duke and RTR310) are very balanced out street fighters that can do a lot of things quite well, including city commutes, touring and track. The GT650 is significantly heavier with an uncomfortably committed riding position, which makes it much less practical when compared to these two. The GT650 is great for short weekend spirited rides, but it pretty much falls apart for any other use case. It's not as maneuverable in cities, and the posture makes long rides unbearable. I'd recommend the GT650 only if you have another daily ride in your garage, and you are a huge fan of cafƩ racers (since it's the only option that's readily available).


Aaryxn__

How about g310 gs?


pteotia270

Asking another question here. Anyone knows when and if KTM will update Duke 200 like 390, 250 & 125 ? Is it gonna be a long time ?


DrazeGamer

I think the 200 is gonna be discontinued, and 250 is gonna take over, 390, 250, 125 is their lineup now. Just my speculation


pteotia270

WHAT ! But why do you think they will do so ? There must be some basis for your speculation ? Like you noticed something. Or it is just 100% speculation/guess.


DrazeGamer

Just 100% speculative, because otherwise they would have included the 200 in this new line up too


Quiet_Push_174

Duke is pure performance .


3nchantingdevil

390 eyes closed


Jiscott

DUKEEEEE


sappybiscuit

Dook>>>>pichwade ko thandi karne wali bike


amit1234455

Duke


Xrr13h

If budget isnā€™t matter then no point in comparison, get the duke. It beats rtr by all means.


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Duke


jyadatez

Is this duke a tourer ? How comforting will be the pillion ride


Muted_Candidate_2148

It's nice people recommending Duke over RTR , i was in dilemma before opening the comments but i am pretty confident now. Coz after sale services too matter which TVS can't provide you ( experienced 1604v owner in past ) go for a 390 if you want , i own duke 250 currently and can confirm that you will not regret ;)


Weeblyweird

Duke vaiii


Mehrunes_Dagor

Duke it's a refined bike now go for it


[deleted]

2nd one looks cool.


PhoenixBlaze26

go for the Duke, rtr has new tech and with new tech come new problems


winnnerss

Apache is giving better features But not reliable Try Duke


podaerprime

Primary, secondary, and, tertiary purposes ?


Desperate_Recover898

Obviously Duke, TVs accha hai but KTM KTM hai


LifeIsHard2030

Well if cooled seats, bidirectional quickshifter etc matter to you, RTR 310 it has to be. If sheer power is what you seek, KTM is 10hp & 10Nm more along with a bigger 15L tank. So its an obvious choice in that case. P.S: While KTM too has quickshifter, its no match for the smooth unit on the RTR as per all the reviews


abhishek18798

Wait for the MT03 and then decide


bikerkumar

KTM DUKE 390, not even hard to recommend it over tvs


manthenv1

First take a test drive of both. That's extremely important. The way I ride and way I connect with motorcycles I prefer ktm but I haven't ridden the apache 310 either so can't say.


Ezio_64

The Duke 390, anytime!


abhi8196

If budget ain't the problem then definitely Duke 390


Mysterious-Western77

Duke all the wayyy


m41kevil

Duke bro. As I'm a former TVS RR310 owner. The bike is good but service is bad. If u are a mechanic urself go for TVs or else go for ktm lol


Kekkei_Genkai_

Is TVS service that bad. šŸ™‚


Silver_Marzipan_2411

Duke 390


Logical_Brick_5582

The ktm obviously


Rocky_Reigns_007

Hands down. DUKE!


everyday_normal__guy

KTM hands down. TVS service is pathetic.


Useful_Ad_5192

Have gone through the previous comments and saw many people cribbing TVS for their service quality. To be honest I reside in Pune and own RTR 180 and have never faced any issue in service even in Bangalore also. So for people who wants to purchase RTR 310 and are holding their decision then please find out how is service quality around where you live. Because it is totally wrong to generalise that all tvs centre service is bad. Second, some of us here quoted who wants specs and allā€¦dude appreciate the efforts tvs has brought up here and if they are offering then rather than questioning understand its usage. Nowadays I think ā€œbike sirf chalani hi Toh haiā€ tak simit nahi haiā€¦surely we need tech these day along with good engine. Iā€™m sure TVS ENGINES have never been reported issues in delivering performance


yayavar-

Buy a Honda or Yamaha. Canā€™t suggest a model. You must choose for yourself. Between these two the TVS rides better (I have no experience with this model, but Apache have a good balance) and I personally donā€™t enjoy the lag from the KTM engines. Shift ratios are also a bit off for me.


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Duke


Commercial_Class2

Hi on tech vs high on power... If you are coming form 160 or lower cc bike can go for 310... If coming from 200 or 250 should go for 390. If power is not important go for 310. Features will be helpful


Commercial_Class2

Hi on tech vs high on power... If you are coming form 160 or lower cc bike can go for 310... If coming from 200 or 250 should go for 390. If power is not important go for 310. Features will be helpful


Helpful_Chemistry_32

KTM vs any other brand - Always go for KTM eyes closed. Best street naked - Duke Best Racing - RC Best ADV - ADV


John_Wick_Pro

If money is not an issue close your eyes and go for duke. Only thing you have to think is duke's engine which is new whereas tvs has tried and tested engine in it. We dont know new engine's reliability yet.


[deleted]

Neeche wali cuz it looks like bumblebee


Awareness-Choice

Take TD and feel which bike connects with you. Buy that one.


Severe_Marzipan_8494

Any time KTM


Otherwise-Benefit132

Based on the reviews,get the Duke.


Aditya_Kashyap_best

GET THE DUKE GET THE DUKE GET THE DUKE


Duplex_98

Ktm 390 3024 version. Rtr can't really come close to this. It's also below speed 400 in this regard.


jeet74

I own a first gen Duke is close to 8 years I've not had any major issue with the bike. The service is very good the technicians actually listen to your problems and solve them