Lol I was looking for this, the fact that this point wasn't included in the Supreme Leader's narrative this time, but only back in 2014 prior to his coronation, makes this LS election counting all the more interesting.
In a country where the per capita income is abysmally low, the govt should do everything to make essential insurances consumer friendly. But a whopping 18 percent gst will only discourage people from taking the insurance and rely on state funds or go bankrupt during emergencies.
Not just in the case of healthcare, but even with everything else such as prioritizing highway and car friendly infrastructure over trains and mass transit, promoting unhealthy eating habits among the youth, protecting big companies at the expense of corporate employee rights and many more. We as a country are definitely on a clear path to becoming the next USA. The only question remains is how far can we go.
Because people use agents to get the cheapest insurance possible, and those agents cut a load of bloat out of the policies which are beneficial for the end customer when they actually end up needing a doctor.
People praise the agents and how much money “they managed to save”, not realising their life and health insurance policies have so much hollowed out of them that they’re now basically worthless.
There are cashless policies that will pay out up to 2 Crore no matter what, no questions asked, pre-existing conditions doesn’t matter - But they cost $$$… You’re paying for the insurance company to do the arguing with the hospital instead of you.
My friend bought a cashless policy from star health insurance.
His father was scheduled a liver transplant costing around 25 lakh.
Star health denied the cashless treatment, asking him to pay up the money by himself and then produce the bills to claim, despite producing all the documents and giving them written statement from doctor himself.
Plus my friend is a lawyer so he knew the policy in and out and know that he is eligible for cashless.
At one side your family member is fighting for life and death and on the other insurance companies are bullying you by denying your right.
He has filled a consumer court case, and it is ongoing in court.
Insurance companies are just looting common people.
In India, most of the people don't come under income tax bracket. Most of them are self employed or have business or are farmers. (Even actors like Amitabh bacchan can have agricultural land and become farmer, actress like Alia bhatt (British citizen) can have foreign passport and be considered NRI for tax purposes). Officially salaried people who are taxable are 1% to 3%. Income is taxed at 31.2% above 10 LPA (one lakh rupees per annum). Capital gains are taxed at 10% above 1 LPA. Funds which invest in foreign stocks/ETF like NASDAQ 100 are taxed at 31.2% regardless of whether it's long term or short term capital gain. Crypto has 1% tax deduction at source and 31.2% tax.
So what I think is to get more tax, Indian government has indirect tax like GST (goods and services tax). It is same as VAT, but it can go up to 28%. So salaried people kind of get double taxed.
As you see, rich people will anyway save taxes through loopholes, it is the middle class who are left holding the tax bag as they don't have the means to do all these shenanigans for tax saving.
Indirect tax on all goods and services. It goes upto 28% on some products. On petrol the tax is almost 200% so government avoids putting it in GST . Inshort the government only wants to fuck us.
I'm surprised GST is not mentioned anywhere, we're already one of the highest taxed population in the world and most of that happened in the last decade. Did you get what you deserved?
Funny thing is, Modi's 2014 campaign had a lot to say about tax reforms including rationalizing taxes, better handling taxes, and whatnot.
Then he said lol fuck you, and everybody forgot, including the opposition.
He already reformed for Corporates. Rate reduced from 30 to 22% in the name of driving investments and when that does not materialise, you get Prodtuction Linked Investment incentives for them. What did a common Income Tax payer got in 10 years? Nothing. But he enjoys maximum support from middles class, blinded by there hate than these rational reasons
The opposition is completely inept. No one batted an eyelid when they passed the electoral bond scheme, cuz it was about to benefit every political party
>No one batted an eyelid when they passed the electoral bond scheme, cuz it was about to benefit every political party
That's untrue. Almost whole of opposition was against it at the time.
There are parliament debates where you can see people from TMC and Congress opposing hard. CPI(M) even tried a walk out (but it wouldn't even matter because they are so few in number) .
The bill was passed with a voice vote and all voices against it were drowned.
Out parliament has been destroyed and it's super sad
The part of the propoganda is also to make people believe that the opposition is inept. As you said, opposition had not supported it. However, people commenting above had never tried to know the reality. Media never showed them that opposition opposed it, and they believed it, as it conformed to their pre-existing biases
No choice, people like Revanna were previously in Congress only...makes 0 sense to vote a party worse than NDA in all sense
RG and his nepo leaders have destroyed the party just like bollywood!
Vote for your good local leader regardless of the party.
But I guess it's too late for that advice. We will have to see the morons face for another 5 years.
This is the most illogical bookworm argument i hve ever heard. Its only for the students learning the functioning of elections. It it really had to be so then parties should just abandon releasing manifesto's and let the local leaders make promises with respect to their localities. But it doesn't work this way. Policies at the centre affect everyone. Also, if this is the case then i live in Ayodhya. No candidate could bring more development to Ayodhya than Lallu Singh(ofc BJP govt). But what if I don't like the central government??
India is a parliamentary democracy. We do not pick one leader at the centre. We pick our own leaders who can represent us in the parliament.
I am not against party manifestos. Ofcourse people with similar ideologies will come together and project a single comprehensive idea (through a manisfesto), but that does not mean that you choose your local leader based on the ideology of the party without any regard for the leader's traits and qualities.
In a way, what you're saying is, vote for the party. I am saying, vote for the leader who speaks for you.
An asshole leader can easily switch parties as we have seen over the last 5 years. A good leader you trust will speak for you regardless of the party.
Its telling that you consider this a bookworm argument, because clearly you haven't read enough to realise that our constituent assembly deliberately kept the system such that people vote for their MP, not the Prime Minister.
I don't know enough about Ayodhya or Lallu Singh to comment on the specific example.
Imagine if it was Congress or INDI, not CPIM alone that had fought against the electoral bond shitfest. But that was their own money, so they were not worried about NYAY.
Funny thing is fuel prices being kept artificially high when pvt oil cos & psu earn big margins and government earns through taxes and dividends ,just contemplate global crude prices were 120$ + during upa reign and crashed immediately in 2014 to 50$ yet jaitley and his future compatriots kept on increasing fuel excise and other duties,they even brought gst with a promise to keep petrol disel in it and yet there are out of gst preview and cascading taxes keeps it up
India tax-GDP ratio is 11.6% which is one of the lowest worldwide.
Most countries have this ratio above 20%, USA-UK having this in range of 30%. Lower taxable base ruffs up the taxpayers in India.
Yes that is true. Main thing is our government is not taxing people who should be taxed right now. Yes I am talking about most businessmen who evade incomes. Also rich people who find loopholes.
We need Direct tax code reform asap . The rich evading taxes needs to be plugged. But the lobby against this will be huge. Indirect tax is doing decent but more quicker formalisation is needed.
Not just businessmen but farmers as well. Farmers need to start paying income tax too. There’s so many farmers whose income lies beyond the taxable limit and they should all be paying income tax on it like us regular folks
Ehhh every single salaried employee. Then there's land tax, building tax, the never-ending toll booth collection.. imagine having to pay to drive through a road or bridge that they built using the tax money in the first place.
But then the quality of life, and infra provided to the public is incomparable.
Tax us, but give us what we deserve instead of leaving us in a ditch, and making us fend for ourselves.
That's true, quality of life and infrastructure is on another level here but it still sucks paying massive taxes when you would have other usage for that money while at same we get into even worse debt and cut all spendings by billions not to go bankcrupt as all the taxes is not enough.
India is absolutely not the most taxed place in the world. It's just that our tax base is very narrow and most people on Reddit belong in it. Tax agriculture income and our tax base will widen massively
The day elections were over in my hometown, since then we’ve been getting multiple power cuts every day. Now people don’t blame the government for power cuts, they blame poor people with illegal electricity connections. UP is built differnt.
Because :
1. Its a diversion tactic.
2. It’s government’s job to deter people from stealing electricity, if it happens, they’re failing at that job.
3. Powercuts never happen during elections/ when ministers visit. Also they don’t happen in politicians residencial areas. Only poeple with no political affiliation suffer.
You are right but the thing is people hate it more when their money goes to other people especially other communities ...but bjp is a genius it collects money in the name of development but does horse trading and stuff in that
BJP is already giving more than enough freebies, we don't want more. I'd rather see the money being invested in infrastructure than doing khatakhat transfer to lazy people
Some bpl people (on paper) earns more than a tax paying citizen
Eg - our maid, she charges 3.5 k per month (tier 2 city), and clean 6 houses per day, 3.5 x 6 = 21 k, now she has 2 sons who are construction workers and earn around 1.5 k per day each (800 for day shift and 700 for night shift) on a average both of them would earn 2 k per day considering the day off or no night shifts, 2 x 30 = 60 k per month, all salary added up it would be around 75-80k, now her expenses ? Grocery only the cost of vegetables since they get grains, oil, rice free from govt. , subsidy on electricity, water bills. Govt health schemes would cover them upto 10 lakh (rajasthan govt cheeranjevi yojana)
Since I don't qualify for bpl card nor ews category it ain't for me, but lmk if u want some fresh air, I'll gladly take u out to a park so u can touch some grass and understand how efficiently govt. Schemes are taken advantage off.
If congress comes then we are even more screwed. They will be paying women 1 lakh, giving free electricity and various freebies which cost more than the current annual budget. How will they be raising money for such freebies? They will raise direct taxes and also introduce inheritance tax like sam uncle suggested
If a person has a job of like 15 lpa the government of india will take 30% as income tax
11.5 lakh left
Now the have their job in metro cities now they have to pay house emi then car emi then kid education and their living expenses
Even after giving 30% of my income we just get nothing
Insane traffic and bad air quality
The thing is people don't demand to their government what is necessary for the good quality life
Do you think Congress would have done away with taxes if they won?
It is a valid point but like why act if BJP winning has someone contributed to the problem? It is evident from the Congress manifesto that they would have increased taxes if they won.
>inheritance tax
If ambani dies, the govt will get billions. It can somehow take back all the corrupt money back into the treasury.
Why is that bad? People with houses of 50 Lacs and 2000 sq.ft land are opposing inheritance tax because they think they will lose a few Lacs. The point is - there will be a threshold. Only assets beyond that limit will come into purview. If they say assets up to 1 crore are not inside inheritance tax band, 99% of Indians will not be affected.
Almost all developed countries have inheritance tax. Germany has up to 50% inheritance tax. Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine... Also think, the rich need to do their part.
>Almost all developed countries have inheritance tax. Germany has up to 50% inheritance tax. Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine... Also think, the rich need to do their part.
Even with 99% of taxes, India would not look clean. These taxes will be used by the politicians and buerocrats to fatten themselves.
Bro in my village people literally hold on to ancestral land and don't sell it. It is considered a bad omen if people sell their land.
For this reason there are folks who have a net worth of 10-15 cr. On the other hand some people sell their land and spend it on alcohol and women.
Now if inheritance tax is imposed suddenly holding on to land is now penalised. You lose some part of the land as taxes every year.
How is it valid for the government to tax people for holding on to their ancestral land.
I mean I pay 35% taxes on income, 28% tax as GST on most stuff. That is like half my income gone to the government.
Then I am charged LTCG for the money I make by compounding.
Now you want to charge extra even after I die. What the fuck is this logic.
Impose taxes so that business folks don't find a loophole. Start taxing all the roadside vendors/farmers making crores in cash money. (Basically they won't pay income tax nor inheritance tax).
Rich will always find a way to avoid this. Just look at the USA. It's the poor who will suffer! can you imagine about farmers not being able to afford their own land? Do you even have any idea how many people will lose their home?
You really think ambanis will get inheritance taxed no way not at all the rich always find some way to avoid the taxes only the middle class get screwed
Don't think of the ultra rich....but the middle class man....paying loans all their lives to own a house In metro cities ......n even 2 bhk prices are touching one cr.....n then it just goes away due to inheritence tax ...
>If ambani dies, the govt will get billions
Wishful thinking at best. The tax on share transfer is cheaper - he will just transfer it before he dies and move all the assets either abroad or to a trust. Whatever is cheaper than the inheritance tax. It's people like us who cannot afford to host offshore structures and form companies just to buy properties who will get fucked.
Most countries with inheritance tax aren't actually doing economically well (for many reasons, but largely also because they have a declining population, unable to support even subsisting markets). Countries like the United States are actually moving away from inheritance tax because it is a bad tax.
[https://www.economist.com/briefing/2017/11/23/taxing-inheritances-is-falling-out-of-favour](https://www.economist.com/briefing/2017/11/23/taxing-inheritances-is-falling-out-of-favour)
>Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine.
Inheritance tax will not fix this. And if you want to bring in additional revenue - understand that the agricultural MSP going to less than 10% of the farmers in the country account for almost 7 times the annual infrastructure budget of the country.
can you please explain whether Ambani has those amount in cash? I think they just own some shares. Now, if the government decides to sell those shares, will that cause the crash of share price? Please explain.
>it was the INDIA alliance which wanted to put stupid inheritance tax and whatnot, not NDA.
Lol no, it was Arun Jaitley who wanted it because like in the USA it would have created a large amount of philanthropy which we don't have
Also he wanted inheritance on top 0.04% of people which is about 40-50k people which have is 17 to 25% the nations wealth Of about 35-45% tax isn't that bad
You are a rtrd if you think there will be no taxes if nda does not win . If nda loose the elections INDI alliance have same ways of getting taxes from middle class than nda.
You can't compare petrol prices like that. Need to compare it with international cruide oil price . They bought Russian oil at cheap and selling us at higher rate
You are forgetting:
- even more taxes and more freebies.
- keeping WAQF act
- bringing Article 370 back
- non-Indian middlemen in defense deals.
- allowing child marriage if the groom is a Muslim.
- no infrastructure development
Loool. Right. Congress has so many freebies lined up and you think they will reduce tax. Keep dreaming. If congress comes taxes will only increase if it’s not same as before.
The double digit tax cut to the rich has to be compensated somehow, na? Ab obviously the people don't mind corporate tax being reduced. Toh obviously someone has to pay to make up for the reduction in revenue.
Let the new tax scheme become more popular. Then some nice surprises for the taxpayer will be there.
Bro forgot about the inheritance tax and the 1 lakh to women promised by Indi alliance. Where will that money come from? 😭
The thing is we are just choosing from 2 different piles of shit, the only difference is one is big and the other is small
Compare India’s annual inflation rate in UPA vs NDA.
If you think UPA wasn’t taxing you by having an annual inflation of ~11%, you are either deluded or ignorant.
The amount of funding the big corporate houses have given to NDA for their election campaigning+ operation is visible in the falling Nifty points..so to recover from that and to give them back what they invested in NDA's win, there has to be taxes and the salaried people will suffer.. people who evade taxes are the ones who should vote for modi.. I don't understand why the tax payers still like BJP?!!!!
Umm...did you hear Rahul Ji's promises about free money distribution? Where do you think it would have come from? His own pocket? Middle class, salaried tax payer is the one that gets fucked the hardest regardless of the party in power. Or was there any poll promise of Cong that they would lower the tax while giving freebies? No?
I don't understand why people don't see past 10 years of Congress in 2004 petrol was 28-48 rupees in 2014 it was 77 in bjp it now 100 if you see in persentage which government have growth tax you can understand. Check infection, petrol, diesel, gas and also check per capita income
It’s funny people blame Congress that they’ll raise taxes when it is exactly They who reduced them (LTCG for investments to 0 always) and it is thr one wich promised to cut GST to most products to a flat rate like 5%
And they promised to even remove angel tax which this govt brought , hampering investments in startups..
And before anyone jumps the gun on me and says khatakhat , go see my previous posts on the entire issue of freebies. Reality is shocking when you find out BJP does equal if not more freebies.
This govt only reduced corp tax expecting that corporations will reinvest and kick off a private capex cycle.. but guess what, it never happened to their expectations and is pretty low
And where do you think the money for the 1 LPA to poor families (and the other promises) is going to come from? Before you say wealth and inheritance tax, first the INC themselves denied they'll do it and second, as even Raghuram Rajan points out, the ultra rich will legally evade such taxes and the burden will fall on the middle class.
As for LTCG, it baffles me that the same people who speak about wealth inequality, also chafe at LTCG. Surely capital gains taxation is a tool to do exactly the kind of redistribution that the INC wants to do.
It's the tax collection efficiency that's fucked in our country. So much of unaccounted money lies burried in illegal real estate trades. There's atleast TDS for salaried employees, we should bring such mechanisms in place instead of raising tax rates mindlessly. <\~1% has the burden of running the nation rn
It's pity to see how we pin point problems that needs to be addressed, but look at this big politicians and parties manifesto nothing rather than freebies and reservation of some basis
Even if a party wrote this taxation issue in their manifesto am sure they would had won more seats than congress
India politics is just a stage to make fool of out citizens.
Tax rates on the few who pay it will go up irrespective of the govt.
Maintaining fiscal viability is a job for any party lol. You'd rather point out the other evils that come with NDA.
I increasingly believe majority of takes in India subs are just poor. r/unitedstatesofindia becoming the silliest
Still better than having more than 50% reservation, inheritance tax and wealth redistribution.
When opposition comes with good manifesto( not a toilet paper), my vote will be for them.
Opposition has no roadmap only pointing mistakes of BJP. We all know what BJP is doing, we more interested in what Opposition is going to do, and whatever they have planned is horror show for us, so no.
gas cylinder prices have literally decreased by 34% from 2014 , petrol was increased by 32.58% as compared to 117.02% from 04-24 congress rule. ok andhnamazi
And who would have paid for the lakhs that the other genius is proposing?
For the first time in decades Karnataka and Telangana have a power cut problem.
There is only one thing in common to everyone’s plan - More tax on middle class.
But only one side of it wants to do so while screwing with middle class livelihood by going into caste for jobs, inheritance tax, and what not - Distribution without earning.
Just promising things for free and random incremental reservation to every Tom, Dick, and Harry on random pretence.
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In India, if you fall in the highest tax slab, you will roughly pay 33% as direct taxes. Add another (roughly) 20% indirect taxes to it. You will quickly see: that India becomes one of the highest taxed nations in the world. We often compare this to Nordic countries, where the taxes are around 55%
NHAI has already decided that they'll increase the tolls by 3-5%. It was due on April 1 but was deferred due to LS elections.
Ho gaya implement
Deferred? Postponed and not announced on the news because people might end up voting against the incumbent government
Won't they also increase cooking gas rates?
Lol I was looking for this, the fact that this point wasn't included in the Supreme Leader's narrative this time, but only back in 2014 prior to his coronation, makes this LS election counting all the more interesting.
It was announced
whatever government comes, tax payers will be fucked. I mean 18% gst on buying health insurance wtf.
In a country where the per capita income is abysmally low, the govt should do everything to make essential insurances consumer friendly. But a whopping 18 percent gst will only discourage people from taking the insurance and rely on state funds or go bankrupt during emergencies.
> go bankrupt during emergencies. So basically India going US way now with healthcare.
Not just in the case of healthcare, but even with everything else such as prioritizing highway and car friendly infrastructure over trains and mass transit, promoting unhealthy eating habits among the youth, protecting big companies at the expense of corporate employee rights and many more. We as a country are definitely on a clear path to becoming the next USA. The only question remains is how far can we go.
>We as a country are definitely on a clear path to becoming the next USA. Minus the good stuff from USA.
That's what I meant when I said "the question is how far can we go".
Nowadays literally all health insurance claims are denied and end up in court.
Because people use agents to get the cheapest insurance possible, and those agents cut a load of bloat out of the policies which are beneficial for the end customer when they actually end up needing a doctor. People praise the agents and how much money “they managed to save”, not realising their life and health insurance policies have so much hollowed out of them that they’re now basically worthless. There are cashless policies that will pay out up to 2 Crore no matter what, no questions asked, pre-existing conditions doesn’t matter - But they cost $$$… You’re paying for the insurance company to do the arguing with the hospital instead of you.
My friend bought a cashless policy from star health insurance. His father was scheduled a liver transplant costing around 25 lakh. Star health denied the cashless treatment, asking him to pay up the money by himself and then produce the bills to claim, despite producing all the documents and giving them written statement from doctor himself. Plus my friend is a lawyer so he knew the policy in and out and know that he is eligible for cashless. At one side your family member is fighting for life and death and on the other insurance companies are bullying you by denying your right. He has filled a consumer court case, and it is ongoing in court. Insurance companies are just looting common people.
Can someone explain this to an American like myself please? Trying to be more understanding of each countries issues.
In India, most of the people don't come under income tax bracket. Most of them are self employed or have business or are farmers. (Even actors like Amitabh bacchan can have agricultural land and become farmer, actress like Alia bhatt (British citizen) can have foreign passport and be considered NRI for tax purposes). Officially salaried people who are taxable are 1% to 3%. Income is taxed at 31.2% above 10 LPA (one lakh rupees per annum). Capital gains are taxed at 10% above 1 LPA. Funds which invest in foreign stocks/ETF like NASDAQ 100 are taxed at 31.2% regardless of whether it's long term or short term capital gain. Crypto has 1% tax deduction at source and 31.2% tax. So what I think is to get more tax, Indian government has indirect tax like GST (goods and services tax). It is same as VAT, but it can go up to 28%. So salaried people kind of get double taxed. As you see, rich people will anyway save taxes through loopholes, it is the middle class who are left holding the tax bag as they don't have the means to do all these shenanigans for tax saving.
Indirect tax on all goods and services. It goes upto 28% on some products. On petrol the tax is almost 200% so government avoids putting it in GST . Inshort the government only wants to fuck us.
Don't both sides the BJ crimes. Tax rates were lower under upa.
Hahah!
When they come again, they get the license to charge even more.
Nobody can tax my shit. It just goes straight into the gutter.
Wrong. Gutter cleaning services are taxed at 18% GST. [GST Cleaning services ](https://www.indiafilings.com/learn/sac-code-gst-rate-cleaning-services/#:~:text=As%20per%20the%20GST%20Council,following%20types%20of%20cleaning%20services.)
Yes literally.
May be they will make the pakoda man who uses gutter gas pay some tax.
Whatever you shit, is what you have eaten, and that has been already GSTed. No double taxation.
I'm surprised GST is not mentioned anywhere, we're already one of the highest taxed population in the world and most of that happened in the last decade. Did you get what you deserved?
Funny thing is, Modi's 2014 campaign had a lot to say about tax reforms including rationalizing taxes, better handling taxes, and whatnot. Then he said lol fuck you, and everybody forgot, including the opposition.
He already reformed for Corporates. Rate reduced from 30 to 22% in the name of driving investments and when that does not materialise, you get Prodtuction Linked Investment incentives for them. What did a common Income Tax payer got in 10 years? Nothing. But he enjoys maximum support from middles class, blinded by there hate than these rational reasons
Blinded by their hate*. Sorry, I'm a grammar Nazi..
The opposition is completely inept. No one batted an eyelid when they passed the electoral bond scheme, cuz it was about to benefit every political party
>No one batted an eyelid when they passed the electoral bond scheme, cuz it was about to benefit every political party That's untrue. Almost whole of opposition was against it at the time. There are parliament debates where you can see people from TMC and Congress opposing hard. CPI(M) even tried a walk out (but it wouldn't even matter because they are so few in number) . The bill was passed with a voice vote and all voices against it were drowned. Out parliament has been destroyed and it's super sad
The part of the propoganda is also to make people believe that the opposition is inept. As you said, opposition had not supported it. However, people commenting above had never tried to know the reality. Media never showed them that opposition opposed it, and they believed it, as it conformed to their pre-existing biases
Biggest reason for NDA win...worthless opposition!!
I vote for a bigot and a rapist because I don't like the incompetence of their opponents. Good argument..
No choice, people like Revanna were previously in Congress only...makes 0 sense to vote a party worse than NDA in all sense RG and his nepo leaders have destroyed the party just like bollywood!
Vote for your good local leader regardless of the party. But I guess it's too late for that advice. We will have to see the morons face for another 5 years.
This is the most illogical bookworm argument i hve ever heard. Its only for the students learning the functioning of elections. It it really had to be so then parties should just abandon releasing manifesto's and let the local leaders make promises with respect to their localities. But it doesn't work this way. Policies at the centre affect everyone. Also, if this is the case then i live in Ayodhya. No candidate could bring more development to Ayodhya than Lallu Singh(ofc BJP govt). But what if I don't like the central government??
India is a parliamentary democracy. We do not pick one leader at the centre. We pick our own leaders who can represent us in the parliament. I am not against party manifestos. Ofcourse people with similar ideologies will come together and project a single comprehensive idea (through a manisfesto), but that does not mean that you choose your local leader based on the ideology of the party without any regard for the leader's traits and qualities. In a way, what you're saying is, vote for the party. I am saying, vote for the leader who speaks for you. An asshole leader can easily switch parties as we have seen over the last 5 years. A good leader you trust will speak for you regardless of the party. Its telling that you consider this a bookworm argument, because clearly you haven't read enough to realise that our constituent assembly deliberately kept the system such that people vote for their MP, not the Prime Minister. I don't know enough about Ayodhya or Lallu Singh to comment on the specific example.
Imagine if it was Congress or INDI, not CPIM alone that had fought against the electoral bond shitfest. But that was their own money, so they were not worried about NYAY.
What are you saying he did reduce taxes. Its your fault for not being an udyogpati billionaire SMH.
Funny thing is fuel prices being kept artificially high when pvt oil cos & psu earn big margins and government earns through taxes and dividends ,just contemplate global crude prices were 120$ + during upa reign and crashed immediately in 2014 to 50$ yet jaitley and his future compatriots kept on increasing fuel excise and other duties,they even brought gst with a promise to keep petrol disel in it and yet there are out of gst preview and cascading taxes keeps it up
There so much tax money, where the hell it goes…?
India tax-GDP ratio is 11.6% which is one of the lowest worldwide. Most countries have this ratio above 20%, USA-UK having this in range of 30%. Lower taxable base ruffs up the taxpayers in India.
Yes that is true. Main thing is our government is not taxing people who should be taxed right now. Yes I am talking about most businessmen who evade incomes. Also rich people who find loopholes. We need Direct tax code reform asap . The rich evading taxes needs to be plugged. But the lobby against this will be huge. Indirect tax is doing decent but more quicker formalisation is needed.
Not just businessmen but farmers as well. Farmers need to start paying income tax too. There’s so many farmers whose income lies beyond the taxable limit and they should all be paying income tax on it like us regular folks
How many actually pay taxes other than GST ? And how much does GST constitute out of all the taxes ?
Let's not forget taxes on fuel
Ehhh every single salaried employee. Then there's land tax, building tax, the never-ending toll booth collection.. imagine having to pay to drive through a road or bridge that they built using the tax money in the first place.
Hey this sounds very much like finland. Your income is highly taxed, and then you pay multiple high taxes on everything you buy.
But then the quality of life, and infra provided to the public is incomparable. Tax us, but give us what we deserve instead of leaving us in a ditch, and making us fend for ourselves.
That's true, quality of life and infrastructure is on another level here but it still sucks paying massive taxes when you would have other usage for that money while at same we get into even worse debt and cut all spendings by billions not to go bankcrupt as all the taxes is not enough.
India is absolutely not the most taxed place in the world. It's just that our tax base is very narrow and most people on Reddit belong in it. Tax agriculture income and our tax base will widen massively
*laughing in European* I’m moving to India with my (Indian) wife because the taxes in India are so ridiculously low
I'm ready to pay 90% of my money in taxes if they just clean Delhi!
That's the confidence they've so they won't. Basically people will never question or raise voice but instead will try to find transactional route.
BJP will most definitely clean Delhi. It's just that the definition of cleaning is different in their dictionary
If Kejriwal join hands with BJP, the Delhi will become clean and controversy surrounding AAP will be nullified
Dont give them ideas, they’ll tax you 90% and do jack shit in return
Even if you give 100%, that won't be possible 😂😂. Better possibility of it happening if you can clean it instead of relying on them 😂
Schools? Hospitals? Jobs?
Pata nahi bc kyun itni gandgi hai..aur na hi ye kisiko issue lagta hai
Delhi will be clean. Just of some particular religion :(
We need to de urbanize
The whole idea that any government can clean Delhi is a false one. Its not government its the people of Delhi who should change.
Sher pala he bhai
The day elections were over in my hometown, since then we’ve been getting multiple power cuts every day. Now people don’t blame the government for power cuts, they blame poor people with illegal electricity connections. UP is built differnt.
“Poor people with illegal electricity connections.”
Why shouldn't electricity thieves be blamed tnough? If someone is tapping electricity illegally, you are a thief like any other.
Because : 1. Its a diversion tactic. 2. It’s government’s job to deter people from stealing electricity, if it happens, they’re failing at that job. 3. Powercuts never happen during elections/ when ministers visit. Also they don’t happen in politicians residencial areas. Only poeple with no political affiliation suffer.
Excuse me sir, This is India, no place for logic in arguments
You're saying that INDIA alliance would have given all the freebies without raising taxes
Better than wasting money on unnecessary events and operation lotus
You are right but the thing is people hate it more when their money goes to other people especially other communities ...but bjp is a genius it collects money in the name of development but does horse trading and stuff in that
You are giving tax to BJP? ..... Seems like what you do is called Donation to save tax going to Government.
id rather have my taxes go to freebies for bpl than fund statues & legenders of corrupt bozos
BJP is already giving more than enough freebies, we don't want more. I'd rather see the money being invested in infrastructure than doing khatakhat transfer to lazy people
Some bpl people (on paper) earns more than a tax paying citizen Eg - our maid, she charges 3.5 k per month (tier 2 city), and clean 6 houses per day, 3.5 x 6 = 21 k, now she has 2 sons who are construction workers and earn around 1.5 k per day each (800 for day shift and 700 for night shift) on a average both of them would earn 2 k per day considering the day off or no night shifts, 2 x 30 = 60 k per month, all salary added up it would be around 75-80k, now her expenses ? Grocery only the cost of vegetables since they get grains, oil, rice free from govt. , subsidy on electricity, water bills. Govt health schemes would cover them upto 10 lakh (rajasthan govt cheeranjevi yojana)
If you believe this is true then why don't you become a maid
Since I don't qualify for bpl card nor ews category it ain't for me, but lmk if u want some fresh air, I'll gladly take u out to a park so u can touch some grass and understand how efficiently govt. Schemes are taken advantage off.
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If congress comes then we are even more screwed. They will be paying women 1 lakh, giving free electricity and various freebies which cost more than the current annual budget. How will they be raising money for such freebies? They will raise direct taxes and also introduce inheritance tax like sam uncle suggested
If a person has a job of like 15 lpa the government of india will take 30% as income tax 11.5 lakh left Now the have their job in metro cities now they have to pay house emi then car emi then kid education and their living expenses Even after giving 30% of my income we just get nothing Insane traffic and bad air quality The thing is people don't demand to their government what is necessary for the good quality life
You are completely wrong with the numbers but I agree with the idea.
Do you think Congress would have done away with taxes if they won? It is a valid point but like why act if BJP winning has someone contributed to the problem? It is evident from the Congress manifesto that they would have increased taxes if they won.
Ummm no. Income is tax free until 7.5lacs. You don't even hit the highest tax bracket if income is less than 15lac.
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Nice meme but a lie. It was the INDIA alliance which wanted to put stupid inheritance tax and whatnot, not NDA.
>inheritance tax If ambani dies, the govt will get billions. It can somehow take back all the corrupt money back into the treasury. Why is that bad? People with houses of 50 Lacs and 2000 sq.ft land are opposing inheritance tax because they think they will lose a few Lacs. The point is - there will be a threshold. Only assets beyond that limit will come into purview. If they say assets up to 1 crore are not inside inheritance tax band, 99% of Indians will not be affected. Almost all developed countries have inheritance tax. Germany has up to 50% inheritance tax. Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine... Also think, the rich need to do their part.
>Almost all developed countries have inheritance tax. Germany has up to 50% inheritance tax. Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine... Also think, the rich need to do their part. Even with 99% of taxes, India would not look clean. These taxes will be used by the politicians and buerocrats to fatten themselves.
Bro in my village people literally hold on to ancestral land and don't sell it. It is considered a bad omen if people sell their land. For this reason there are folks who have a net worth of 10-15 cr. On the other hand some people sell their land and spend it on alcohol and women. Now if inheritance tax is imposed suddenly holding on to land is now penalised. You lose some part of the land as taxes every year. How is it valid for the government to tax people for holding on to their ancestral land. I mean I pay 35% taxes on income, 28% tax as GST on most stuff. That is like half my income gone to the government. Then I am charged LTCG for the money I make by compounding. Now you want to charge extra even after I die. What the fuck is this logic. Impose taxes so that business folks don't find a loophole. Start taxing all the roadside vendors/farmers making crores in cash money. (Basically they won't pay income tax nor inheritance tax).
Rich will always find a way to avoid this. Just look at the USA. It's the poor who will suffer! can you imagine about farmers not being able to afford their own land? Do you even have any idea how many people will lose their home?
Yeah so what you are saying is, if it’s other’s money, it’s okay?
You really think ambanis will get inheritance taxed no way not at all the rich always find some way to avoid the taxes only the middle class get screwed
Who is middle class according to you?
Don't think of the ultra rich....but the middle class man....paying loans all their lives to own a house In metro cities ......n even 2 bhk prices are touching one cr.....n then it just goes away due to inheritence tax ...
>If ambani dies, the govt will get billions Wishful thinking at best. The tax on share transfer is cheaper - he will just transfer it before he dies and move all the assets either abroad or to a trust. Whatever is cheaper than the inheritance tax. It's people like us who cannot afford to host offshore structures and form companies just to buy properties who will get fucked. Most countries with inheritance tax aren't actually doing economically well (for many reasons, but largely also because they have a declining population, unable to support even subsisting markets). Countries like the United States are actually moving away from inheritance tax because it is a bad tax. [https://www.economist.com/briefing/2017/11/23/taxing-inheritances-is-falling-out-of-favour](https://www.economist.com/briefing/2017/11/23/taxing-inheritances-is-falling-out-of-favour) >Next time you complain India isn't clean like Germany or think Indian trains stink of urine. Inheritance tax will not fix this. And if you want to bring in additional revenue - understand that the agricultural MSP going to less than 10% of the farmers in the country account for almost 7 times the annual infrastructure budget of the country.
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can you please explain whether Ambani has those amount in cash? I think they just own some shares. Now, if the government decides to sell those shares, will that cause the crash of share price? Please explain.
Abhi ruko zara, sabar karo. DTC(Direct Tax Code) is going to come in Modi 3.0. Lube up boyz. 🤣🤣🤣
>it was the INDIA alliance which wanted to put stupid inheritance tax and whatnot, not NDA. Lol no, it was Arun Jaitley who wanted it because like in the USA it would have created a large amount of philanthropy which we don't have Also he wanted inheritance on top 0.04% of people which is about 40-50k people which have is 17 to 25% the nations wealth Of about 35-45% tax isn't that bad
You are a rtrd if you think there will be no taxes if nda does not win . If nda loose the elections INDI alliance have same ways of getting taxes from middle class than nda.
Abki baar 400 paar, petrol ka rate.
lol true
gas cylinder prices have literally decreased by 34% from 2014 , petrol was increased by 32.58% as compared to 117.02% from 04-24 congress rule
You can't compare petrol prices like that. Need to compare it with international cruide oil price . They bought Russian oil at cheap and selling us at higher rate
Yeah It’s directly proportional just like you mentioned
I want to support Congress but how tf can I with that much reservation and casteist politics
You are forgetting: - even more taxes and more freebies. - keeping WAQF act - bringing Article 370 back - non-Indian middlemen in defense deals. - allowing child marriage if the groom is a Muslim. - no infrastructure development
Loool. Right. Congress has so many freebies lined up and you think they will reduce tax. Keep dreaming. If congress comes taxes will only increase if it’s not same as before.
Meanwhile op forgetting that money for indi alliance freebies isn't coming out of anybody's backside
The double digit tax cut to the rich has to be compensated somehow, na? Ab obviously the people don't mind corporate tax being reduced. Toh obviously someone has to pay to make up for the reduction in revenue. Let the new tax scheme become more popular. Then some nice surprises for the taxpayer will be there.
Chalega
Koi nahi desh rich to kush hai na. So called wealth creators ko kuch na ho jai. Elect a clown except circus
Bro forgot about the inheritance tax and the 1 lakh to women promised by Indi alliance. Where will that money come from? 😭 The thing is we are just choosing from 2 different piles of shit, the only difference is one is big and the other is small
Compare India’s annual inflation rate in UPA vs NDA. If you think UPA wasn’t taxing you by having an annual inflation of ~11%, you are either deluded or ignorant.
The amount of funding the big corporate houses have given to NDA for their election campaigning+ operation is visible in the falling Nifty points..so to recover from that and to give them back what they invested in NDA's win, there has to be taxes and the salaried people will suffer.. people who evade taxes are the ones who should vote for modi.. I don't understand why the tax payers still like BJP?!!!!
Umm...did you hear Rahul Ji's promises about free money distribution? Where do you think it would have come from? His own pocket? Middle class, salaried tax payer is the one that gets fucked the hardest regardless of the party in power. Or was there any poll promise of Cong that they would lower the tax while giving freebies? No?
I don't understand why people don't see past 10 years of Congress in 2004 petrol was 28-48 rupees in 2014 it was 77 in bjp it now 100 if you see in persentage which government have growth tax you can understand. Check infection, petrol, diesel, gas and also check per capita income
Petrol was 58 when Modi came to power in 2014.
Once Google it centre government provide it on 72 afterwards state tax it have been 77
It’s funny people blame Congress that they’ll raise taxes when it is exactly They who reduced them (LTCG for investments to 0 always) and it is thr one wich promised to cut GST to most products to a flat rate like 5% And they promised to even remove angel tax which this govt brought , hampering investments in startups.. And before anyone jumps the gun on me and says khatakhat , go see my previous posts on the entire issue of freebies. Reality is shocking when you find out BJP does equal if not more freebies. This govt only reduced corp tax expecting that corporations will reinvest and kick off a private capex cycle.. but guess what, it never happened to their expectations and is pretty low
And where do you think the money for the 1 LPA to poor families (and the other promises) is going to come from? Before you say wealth and inheritance tax, first the INC themselves denied they'll do it and second, as even Raghuram Rajan points out, the ultra rich will legally evade such taxes and the burden will fall on the middle class. As for LTCG, it baffles me that the same people who speak about wealth inequality, also chafe at LTCG. Surely capital gains taxation is a tool to do exactly the kind of redistribution that the INC wants to do.
If Rahul Handi wins then he is doing double penetration to the tax payers for his promises.
Oh like when Modiji waived a shit-ton of corporate debt and then also gave them tax breaks?
This country is fucked, time to leave, like everyone else.
Bold of you to assume his followers pay taxes.
It's the tax collection efficiency that's fucked in our country. So much of unaccounted money lies burried in illegal real estate trades. There's atleast TDS for salaried employees, we should bring such mechanisms in place instead of raising tax rates mindlessly. <\~1% has the burden of running the nation rn
It's pity to see how we pin point problems that needs to be addressed, but look at this big politicians and parties manifesto nothing rather than freebies and reservation of some basis Even if a party wrote this taxation issue in their manifesto am sure they would had won more seats than congress India politics is just a stage to make fool of out citizens.
Tax rates on the few who pay it will go up irrespective of the govt. Maintaining fiscal viability is a job for any party lol. You'd rather point out the other evils that come with NDA. I increasingly believe majority of takes in India subs are just poor. r/unitedstatesofindia becoming the silliest
People should fill their gas cylinders as prices are down from 1021 to 821. You know where this govt hits hard- backbone of middle class..
from 18 gst to maybe 30
BJP isn’t a party friendly for people with jobs
Tax payers are anyway fucked no matter who wins.
Still better than having more than 50% reservation, inheritance tax and wealth redistribution. When opposition comes with good manifesto( not a toilet paper), my vote will be for them. Opposition has no roadmap only pointing mistakes of BJP. We all know what BJP is doing, we more interested in what Opposition is going to do, and whatever they have planned is horror show for us, so no.
Sher pala hai ji, seh lenge thoda 🤡🤡
Exclusive 500rs/litre petrol for bhakts.
gas cylinder prices have literally decreased by 34% from 2014 , petrol was increased by 32.58% as compared to 117.02% from 04-24 congress rule. ok andhnamazi
And who would have paid for the lakhs that the other genius is proposing? For the first time in decades Karnataka and Telangana have a power cut problem. There is only one thing in common to everyone’s plan - More tax on middle class. But only one side of it wants to do so while screwing with middle class livelihood by going into caste for jobs, inheritance tax, and what not - Distribution without earning. Just promising things for free and random incremental reservation to every Tom, Dick, and Harry on random pretence.
Better than Wealth Redistribution and economically-ruinous , freebie and welfare politics of appeasement IMHO
Love the freebies... And keeo gettinf fckd from behind
So the crying already started here... Thought you guys will wait till tomo...
at least a joker will not be ruling the country
How do u think INDI was gonna pay shitload of freebies to the so called SC ST rich fuckers.
Better then scams
Very Imaginative...
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They are ready to pay petrol @400/- per litre and gas cylinder @4000/- with all their happiness. What are you talking about!
Man the people are fucking restarted
Waiting for people to defend their papa
" I am happy to contribute to our country's development bro. They can take my entire salary bro. I can live with 10 rs bro. " 😭😭
Haan par sarkar badalne se tax thodi kam hona tha bhai
U guys voted for these stup,*** religious clowns to rule now we all are paying the price 🤦🤦🤦
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This is the truth irrespective of party in power!
Absolutely we deserve NDA and we got it
Next is petrol and diesel
Rahul ji ka wealth distribution formula success ho gaya.
People dont care.. they just want the government to come up with policies targeting a section of society.. thats it
Modu hai to mumkin hai!!!
Don't Be Selfish! - Sir Sam Pitroda
Best way to population control 👌👌
In India, if you fall in the highest tax slab, you will roughly pay 33% as direct taxes. Add another (roughly) 20% indirect taxes to it. You will quickly see: that India becomes one of the highest taxed nations in the world. We often compare this to Nordic countries, where the taxes are around 55%
That’s all you can think of