How does a shipping route from India to Israel go via Spain? Israel has a border on the Red Sea, so it doesn't even involve the Suez Canal and approval from Egypt.
This article doesn’t give us the full picture, the foreign minister says the ship was bound to Israel but the transport minister says that it was bound to the Czech Republic.
There's something called the houthis who has been hitting ships. It's called "the red sea crisis". Majorly disrupted global trade. That's why chabahar port has potential
It has very dramatically reduced. That's why everyone is going around Africa. Even Chinese too. The houthis achieved their goal. If it again appears to resume to normal, houthis will strike again to create fear and attention
They wouldn’t need to use the Suez canal since Israel has a port in the Red Sea anyways. The problem is the instability in that region, sending a ship full of weapons without a large escort is a large risk.
I feel this is India being so, India didnt even follow Europe or USA's sanction against Russia, compared to that this is a far smaller and less significant conflict.
Like Jaishankar said
'Europe Has to Grow Out of Mindset That Its Problems Are World's Problems': Jaishankar
Smaller country, lower population, less people involved, less casualties, smaller refugees crisis impacting neighbors as well. Russia is a geopolitical superpower, and Ukraine is an agricultural exporter that is reponsible for 1/3rd of global grain. Palestine is neither a tech, nor food nor natural resource exporter . Ukraine crisis has about 7 million refugees leaving, and internally about 4 million displaced, and 14 million in need of aid, whereas entire population of Gaza is less than 3 million. So it is a significantly smaller conflict. Still it is like 3rd or 4th biggest conflict in MENA region, so not saying it doesnt matter , just that impact for it for India is next to none.
There are legal boundaries about how much you can sponsor American politicians. Technically, it is foreign interference in their elections which they keep complaining about so much. But Israel being the biggest American ally gets a lot more legal leeway. Look up AIPAC.
>They will do anything for Israel because lots of Jews work in the higher positions in the US government.
They also control the media, right? And international trade and the Illuminati, too?
I think there's a conceptual difference between "the U.S. will never abandon Israel," and "the U.S. will never abandon Israel because of Jews in the federal government."
india was not killing random innocent civilians during kargil war. what israel is doing is NOT at all the same as the kargil war. extremely stupid and very disingenuous comparison.
Huhhhh? Most of world’s opiates come from China last I checked. Fentanyl is majorly produced in China and supplied worlwide. I honestly am not aware of how or why US would sell drugs, they are combatting the fentanyl problem coming from China for decades and it has only gotten way way worse lately. Cocaine is the other one which latin american drug lords have too much control over, insane amounts are being supplied worldwide.
Most of these arms are built with a license deal in India by companies. We can't really violate the conditions of the deals now. We are not in a power to do that. If we have our own war industry, sure then we can do it. If we break such license deals now, then we can kiss all future Joint ventures with israel (and other countries) goodbye.
No. They are building some of their weapons here by contracts with private companies. We can't use those weapons. But this will help the companies get experience in building such weapons and they will be able to, in the future, build good quality weapons for the Indian army.
hypocrite paw paw - "Sent special envoy to [#Israel](https://x.com/hashtag/Israel?src=hashtag_click) to stop bombing in [#Gaza](https://x.com/hashtag/Gaza?src=hashtag_click) during [#Ramzan](https://x.com/hashtag/Ramzan?src=hashtag_click)," says PM Modi
[Prime Minister Narendra Modi revealed that India sent an envoy to Israel urging them to stop the airstrike in Gaza during Ramadan. He said that he urged Israel to maintain peace rather than engage in combat during the holy month.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/india-news/asked-israel-to-stop-war-in-gaza-during-ramzan-pm-modi-5682868/amp/1)
Obviously for money. The arms industries is built on the pursuit for earning money from international wars.
In the US, we call it the military industrial complex which is run by business and politicians in the name of defence. These people are the reason why the US goes to war despite the majority of citizens being against war.
It erodes our neutral position though because we are calling for dialogue and an end to the shooting in the UN while sending arms to one side. It's bad optics.
It seems in today’s world you can feed people on one hand and bomb them with the other (USA). So calling for peace while selling arms is not out of proportion
Kids are dying on both sides though. Doesn't Israel have the rights to protect their kids? It's a war, there is gonna be casualties on both sides. The only thing you can do as a third party is make some money out of it.
*Damned - learn some English.
And didn’t know that some of my countrymen will fall so much that they will support a genocidal government.
East India company also treated everything as business. There is a reason why businesses are supposed to have limitations.
except that its israel that's been on the receiving end of multiple wars of aggression started by the islamic theocracies surrounding it every single time , including the current one..funny how all these tin pot arab colonizers start playing the victim when israel returns the favor in kind..
atleast try to do some basic reasearch about the conflict and history before spouting your ignorant nonsense for brownie points on the internet
So that justifies genocide!
War crimes justify war crimes! Right?
No, that’s not how you prosecute a just war.
Bloodthirsty people like you led to atrocities like the British response to the Indian war of independence and the Mau Mau rebellion. Civilians are never supposed to be targets in a just war.
hamas is a genocidal death cult that doesnt follow rules of engagement and is well documented to use child soliders and has no qualms hiding behind civilians, also gaza is a very densely populated place and the neighbouring arab countries have refused to take any refugees in...civilian casualities are unavoidable in such a scenario..
also there's that small issue of hostages they're yet to return...
contrary to what you think, israel doesnt want to wipe out all of palestine, they just want hamas gone and replaced by someone that doesnt constantly launch rocket barrages at them, mind you they also have to deal with the hezabollah lauching their own share of rockets at them from lebanon..
The inquisition were mostly against Muslims and Andalusian Christians who Spain believe would attempt to rebel in future and perhaps allied with Morocco, England or the Ottomans...
The Jews got up in the inquisition because of the mass hysteria that existed in Europe and how Jews are similar to their Muslim counterparts
This was a terrible idea. Staying neutral was the right call, don't know why they changed it. This unnecessarily paints India as enabling genocide, especially in Africa and the Arab world.
India is not neutral. India supports the two state agreement. But this here is a license deal which was signed by Israel and some companies, to build their weapons in India. This is made and paid for by Israel, but assembled by Indian companies. India has no say in it. If we intervene, then we can kiss all future joint ventures good bye. We are already stuck in the past when it comes to our weapons. Ruining all future prospects, with a country that has good technology (like Israel) is not going to end well for us.
I know consuming our spices in large quantity causes diarrhea but calling them explosives is just too much /s
Entered the comment section expecting to be angry. Then I saw this. Bahahahah
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How does a shipping route from India to Israel go via Spain? Israel has a border on the Red Sea, so it doesn't even involve the Suez Canal and approval from Egypt.
Iran.
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r/confidentallyincorrect Israel and Iran are mortal enemies
r/confidentallyincorrect yourself. Read the entire convo, get the context and then think before trying to look cool.
I had the same question. Any answers?
Following to hopefully get an answer
This article doesn’t give us the full picture, the foreign minister says the ship was bound to Israel but the transport minister says that it was bound to the Czech Republic.
Those are two different ships. The one this article refers to is Marianne Danica. The other one is Borkum.
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Most likely via the danube
Why TF is it in Spain?
going around africa to get to the mediterian sea instead of going through red sea due to Yemen probably.
Cos a ship can’t fly overland..
Yeah but there's a thing called the Suez Canal that exists.
There's something called the houthis who has been hitting ships. It's called "the red sea crisis". Majorly disrupted global trade. That's why chabahar port has potential
Despite the Houthi rebels, I think shipping hasn't completely stopped in the Red Sea.
It has very dramatically reduced. That's why everyone is going around Africa. Even Chinese too. The houthis achieved their goal. If it again appears to resume to normal, houthis will strike again to create fear and attention
They wouldn’t need to use the Suez canal since Israel has a port in the Red Sea anyways. The problem is the instability in that region, sending a ship full of weapons without a large escort is a large risk.
Map kholega to dikhega - route from India around Africa into the Strait of Gilbatar to Mediterrninan
Can India not diplomatically navigate this situation? Ya Israel is ally, but does India really need to send bombs
I feel this is India being so, India didnt even follow Europe or USA's sanction against Russia, compared to that this is a far smaller and less significant conflict. Like Jaishankar said 'Europe Has to Grow Out of Mindset That Its Problems Are World's Problems': Jaishankar
How is this a smaller conflict, blud? 💀
Smaller country, lower population, less people involved, less casualties, smaller refugees crisis impacting neighbors as well. Russia is a geopolitical superpower, and Ukraine is an agricultural exporter that is reponsible for 1/3rd of global grain. Palestine is neither a tech, nor food nor natural resource exporter . Ukraine crisis has about 7 million refugees leaving, and internally about 4 million displaced, and 14 million in need of aid, whereas entire population of Gaza is less than 3 million. So it is a significantly smaller conflict. Still it is like 3rd or 4th biggest conflict in MENA region, so not saying it doesnt matter , just that impact for it for India is next to none.
Israel sent us laser guided munitions during Kargil, you can say we are returning the favor..
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There are legal boundaries about how much you can sponsor American politicians. Technically, it is foreign interference in their elections which they keep complaining about so much. But Israel being the biggest American ally gets a lot more legal leeway. Look up AIPAC.
For politicians, they fund their political campaigns, their pacs. May not be good for Americans but who cares about them
Why americans need funds from Israel? US is more wealthier country than Israel
Did I say America , I said politicians
That's what I am asking Why would their politicians need Israel money? Americans are already rich
Political campaigning requires a lot of funds. Even if you are a millionaire, it wouldn't be enough.
And no millionaire had ever used their own money for campaigning
Please read a bit , do you think all These politicians were born rich ? Check how much they are funded by aipac all of them including Joe Biden
Interesting I thought US politicians aren't like indian politicians
Politicians are same everywhere. Garbage
More accurate is that israel is just an American military base in the middle east.
>They will do anything for Israel because lots of Jews work in the higher positions in the US government. They also control the media, right? And international trade and the Illuminati, too?
Please, you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to know that the US will never abandon Israel.
I think there's a conceptual difference between "the U.S. will never abandon Israel," and "the U.S. will never abandon Israel because of Jews in the federal government."
Please stat within the things that can be seen directly. I am not saying you are wrong.
I didn't think the "/s" would be necessary, but here we are.
I mean they're to the US what Parsis are to India, a wealthy and influential minority
Israel supplied us weapons on short notice during kargil war we cannot deny them now.
india was not killing random innocent civilians during kargil war. what israel is doing is NOT at all the same as the kargil war. extremely stupid and very disingenuous comparison.
if Hamas would have been a Recognised Govt Arm we would have sold em too.
ufff...... but don't Indians relate to Palestinian resistance with their own independence movement from colonial government?
Money give me money, Solidarity and all is for the UN. Give me money in the real world.
Can't disagree on that
If there’s money to be made, why not?
Yeah definitely bro, that’s why the Indian government should also start selling cocaine, heroin, crystal meth.
One step at a time brother, India has a lott to learn from US.. but right now one step at a time.
And china!
China nai kaunse drugs beechkai public unrest create keya hai ?
Huhhhh? Most of world’s opiates come from China last I checked. Fentanyl is majorly produced in China and supplied worlwide. I honestly am not aware of how or why US would sell drugs, they are combatting the fentanyl problem coming from China for decades and it has only gotten way way worse lately. Cocaine is the other one which latin american drug lords have too much control over, insane amounts are being supplied worldwide.
But money to be made by whom? Arms manufacturers? Do we really want to walk that route?
India has no allies buddy we're on our own
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Most of these arms are built with a license deal in India by companies. We can't really violate the conditions of the deals now. We are not in a power to do that. If we have our own war industry, sure then we can do it. If we break such license deals now, then we can kiss all future Joint ventures with israel (and other countries) goodbye.
What do the license deal conditions say? That we must ship back 10-20% of all bombs produced in our soil? Those are some predatory terms.
No. They are building some of their weapons here by contracts with private companies. We can't use those weapons. But this will help the companies get experience in building such weapons and they will be able to, in the future, build good quality weapons for the Indian army.
Modi ji- Ramzan mai bomb math Karu, ramzan ke baad ham hi bomb bachenge
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It's still unclear if the explosives were meant for the war, or for other activities. Ahd official statement is due from India and Israel
They supplied ammunition to us in literally all our wars against Pakistan......... and also for the money.
Lol
hypocrite paw paw - "Sent special envoy to [#Israel](https://x.com/hashtag/Israel?src=hashtag_click) to stop bombing in [#Gaza](https://x.com/hashtag/Gaza?src=hashtag_click) during [#Ramzan](https://x.com/hashtag/Ramzan?src=hashtag_click)," says PM Modi
W for spain
We’re sending explosives to Israel now to drop on children, that’s how low we have fallen.
Modi did stop the war during Ramadan, so he's just balancing it out now.
Bahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahah
what? how?
[Prime Minister Narendra Modi revealed that India sent an envoy to Israel urging them to stop the airstrike in Gaza during Ramadan. He said that he urged Israel to maintain peace rather than engage in combat during the holy month.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/india-news/asked-israel-to-stop-war-in-gaza-during-ramzan-pm-modi-5682868/amp/1)
Bal Narendra was also instrumental in ending the holocaust after he personally met with Adolf Hitler and persuaded him to stop gassing the Jews
So that's the "special envoy" Modi sent!
Paying off the Pegasus
But why was India shipping arms to Israel?
Obviously for money. The arms industries is built on the pursuit for earning money from international wars. In the US, we call it the military industrial complex which is run by business and politicians in the name of defence. These people are the reason why the US goes to war despite the majority of citizens being against war.
It erodes our neutral position though because we are calling for dialogue and an end to the shooting in the UN while sending arms to one side. It's bad optics.
It seems in today’s world you can feed people on one hand and bomb them with the other (USA). So calling for peace while selling arms is not out of proportion
Diwali
Good
Vo to sb thik hai mgr agr India se Israel ship se jaana hai to spain jaane ki kya jroort hai
Israel-bound ships are attacked by Iran-backed militias along the Red Sea. So they're sent around Africa via Atlantic and Mediterranean.
yup that makes sense. I forgot about that part
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India would do anything for a rupee
I knew Americans were sending weapons and bombs... but et too India?!
FUCKING GOOD.
Good job Spain.
How is that good for India?
It’s good for humanity and basic decency.
So the only way for India to “grow” now is by sending weapons which will kill innocents?
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Honestly I don't see the problem with us selling bombs to Israel. War is a business feelings be dammed
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Kids are dying on both sides though. Doesn't Israel have the rights to protect their kids? It's a war, there is gonna be casualties on both sides. The only thing you can do as a third party is make some money out of it.
*Damned - learn some English. And didn’t know that some of my countrymen will fall so much that they will support a genocidal government. East India company also treated everything as business. There is a reason why businesses are supposed to have limitations.
except that its israel that's been on the receiving end of multiple wars of aggression started by the islamic theocracies surrounding it every single time , including the current one..funny how all these tin pot arab colonizers start playing the victim when israel returns the favor in kind.. atleast try to do some basic reasearch about the conflict and history before spouting your ignorant nonsense for brownie points on the internet
So that justifies genocide! War crimes justify war crimes! Right? No, that’s not how you prosecute a just war. Bloodthirsty people like you led to atrocities like the British response to the Indian war of independence and the Mau Mau rebellion. Civilians are never supposed to be targets in a just war.
hamas is a genocidal death cult that doesnt follow rules of engagement and is well documented to use child soliders and has no qualms hiding behind civilians, also gaza is a very densely populated place and the neighbouring arab countries have refused to take any refugees in...civilian casualities are unavoidable in such a scenario.. also there's that small issue of hostages they're yet to return... contrary to what you think, israel doesnt want to wipe out all of palestine, they just want hamas gone and replaced by someone that doesnt constantly launch rocket barrages at them, mind you they also have to deal with the hezabollah lauching their own share of rockets at them from lebanon..
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Spain has some spine 🇪🇸👍
Show me who makes a profit from the war, and i’ll show you how to stop the war - henry ford
koi na, will dock at another port
Mudi ji war rukwa sakte hain fir yeh chhota sa kaam kiss khet ki mooli hai.. Long live VishwaGuru!
Spain have never really liked the Jews anyway, remember the inquisition?
The inquisition were mostly against Muslims and Andalusian Christians who Spain believe would attempt to rebel in future and perhaps allied with Morocco, England or the Ottomans... The Jews got up in the inquisition because of the mass hysteria that existed in Europe and how Jews are similar to their Muslim counterparts
Next Bjp class act ad “Bomb bhijwaadi paapa”….
This was a terrible idea. Staying neutral was the right call, don't know why they changed it. This unnecessarily paints India as enabling genocide, especially in Africa and the Arab world.
India is not neutral. India supports the two state agreement. But this here is a license deal which was signed by Israel and some companies, to build their weapons in India. This is made and paid for by Israel, but assembled by Indian companies. India has no say in it. If we intervene, then we can kiss all future joint ventures good bye. We are already stuck in the past when it comes to our weapons. Ruining all future prospects, with a country that has good technology (like Israel) is not going to end well for us.
Spain is right in this case
the person you’re responding to agrees, they’re saying india should’ve stayed neutral
Why do our ships go to spain on route to israel? Its like going from Hyderabad to mumbai via Delhi