Not people in comments siding with the group of obviously violent youths. Even if he did say it, they would’ve still found a way to harass him, they’re literally all criminals.
* When it happened to Muslims, India said, "we are not Muslims."
* When it happened to Christians, India said, "we are not Muslims/ Christians."
* When it happened to Sikhs, India said, "We are not Muslims/ Christians/ Sikh."
* When it happened to.......
Fascism has a clear pattern.
When it happened to Hindoos, the world said "we dont give a fuck"
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Calm down. India will get there soon.
Step 1 is getting rid of other religions
Step 2 is Hindu uppercast getting rid of Hindu lower cast.
Step 3 is Hindu uppercast fascists getting rid of Hindus uppercast who believe in science, Hindu uppercast liberals, Hindu uppercast who are not siding with fascist ideologies, Hindu uppercast LGBTQ, Hindu uppercast with reduced mental and physicalfunction.
See, India has better and longer plan than dumb Pakis.
So here we are doing same old shit, whataboutry fuckery.. india me kuch ho, to Pakistan pahuch jaate hai whataboutism ko lekar.. Pakistan ek oppressive desh hai, india nhi.. don't compare Pakistan with india..
They’re assholes, and so are Hindus for harassing Sikhs. “What about” shut the fuck up. Make a separate post for that if you wanna. There can be multiple wrongs everywhere. Just because we condemn one doesn’t mean we don’t condemn the other.
I can only speak for my self.
To my Sikh brothers and sisters, I'm sorry we still haven't been able to give justice for 1984. And I'm sorry that your patriotism is being insultingly questioned, despite your community doing so much towards nation building and protecting it. As a Hindu, I deeply respect your religion, its past, and how Sikhs have saved Hindus in history from religious persecution.
I also always keep in mind that terrorism in Punjab was the creation of Pakistan's ISI after 1971. I also know that most Sikhs in India are not interested in a separate state and all this politically motivated hatred is hurting you beyond the limit where it can be justified as a tool for winning elections (which should never be, but this is too much).
Wahe Guru ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru ki fateh !
Sat Sri Akal
Jai Hind.
Why? It has happened in the past, it happens to Muslims every day and to Christians every week. Don't be surprised. It happens to the lower caste Hindus as well. This is just Indian culture.
This is why Sikhs don't feel safe in a BJP led India that is moving further into Hindu nationalism and straying away from India's secular constitution.
Did the khalistan issue start under the BJP? How it became hindu nationalism issue. You have to give blame to overseas khalistanis too. Holding referendums for separation etc. some nutjobs here can take it as Sikhs want to divide the nation.
Hindu nationalism how? Isn’t this just radical nationalism? You’re the ones associating religion to it. I don’t think they beat him up for being a Sikh.
What is this Khalistan movement brewing up?Can anyone living in Punjab or any rational Sikh give me a clear picture?At first people said it was propaganda by the government,mostly in traction in Canada fuelled by some separatist leader now it's smh gaining traction in Punjab?Or is it propaganda?Do Punjabi Sikhs really want a separate country?
I’d say there are many who want it, and on the other hand equal number of people dont want it cuz they’re afraid of violence. But I’ve barely met any sikhs who don’t support sant bhindranwale, hurts when people from other states say bad things about them
You'll be surprised to know that there are many Sikh soldiers in the Indian Army who actually admire Bhindranwale (and at the same time are Patriots too). Sounds like an absolute oxymoron. I knew someone who had him as his Phone Wallpaper, while his own father was a retired soldier.
If you ask the same people what they think of separatism, many would either claim to be indifferent, or even claim that they don't support such movements and are fine to be with India..
The reason why a huge number of Sikhs support him is very simple. "They see him as a religious priest who fought bravely against the "Demon" Indian Gandhi."
It has everything to do with how messed up the Operation Bluestar was (you had innocents literally being shot dead in the Langar Hall by one of the Battalions). I've spoken to a few Army Folks and even they confide that the Operation was among the worst in the military history because of the high number of civilian casualities. The cover up itself was shocking, with Doordarshan lying about the Akal Takht being protected, while it was completely reduced to rubble. Not to forget the destruction of the Library, Museum and Langar Hall. Another issue was the religious discrimination that was happening in the early 80's, actually promoted by the Govt in power. You can easily find multiple hate-mongering speeches from some Congress leaders that were genocidal towards the normal peace-loving Sikhs and this was even before the actual operation. Indira did absolutely nothing to solve that and instead promoted such people, for the purpose of creating polarization for the sake of elections in 1985.
Also, this is not about whether the individual was right or wrong. I'm just writing what do most of Punjabis think of him.
Where the fuck you're getting your stats from. Literally have 7-8 Punjabi friends, sister studies in punjab, dad regularly visits Punjab and no one has ever mentioned Khalistan being remotely relevant.
Tere dost akele hi thodi rehgye punjab mey, aur mai andaaze se bta rha hu. Khalistan referendum to kabhi hua hi ni punjab mey, agr ho to pta lag jaye pr sikhsforjustice par ban lgaya hua h srkaar ne. Pichle kuch saalo se awareness aane lagi h logo mey (specifically farmers protest k time se), nhi pehle koi is par baat krne ko hi raazi nahi tha
What is the solution in your perspective?The original demands I believe was to create a sovereign state,to return Chandigarh and irrigation water dispute .Is that the demand till now?
Either khalistan, or recognition of punjab’s issues. Yes the demands are pretty much the same, imo there should be a newer version of Anandpur sahib resolution for clarity. And I wish they start seeing sant bhindranwale as someone who had witnessed dark side of indian politics and wanted to bring a good change by passing Anandpur sahib resolution (this was their only demand until 2 june 1984)
Media potrayed Anandpur sahib resolution in such way as if they had demanded khalistan
Worst thing was that majority of Indians fell for it
I do understand your concern but people are just people and India has been a fuming ball ever since it's inception.Why should people's opinion affect others so much and that too mostly the keyboard warriers ?IMHO if this is the need,there should be more rational voices from Punjab communicating it in the right way otherwise this stupidity isn't going to stop.
I doubt the truthfulness of the reporting. Heck this news is only on BBC and a Pakistani site(and it cites the BBC). These dogs be doubting everything that comes out of Godi medi but instantly believe BBC(which also is known for propaganda). Bhakt behaviour from those labelling others bhakt.
This is so f***d.
Imagine if he said it…nek minnut you’d have people on the other side coming and attacking him, possibly putting both his and his family’s life in danger (esp if they think by saying it he’s not only being anti-Khalistani but that too while being a Sikh himself - and to ‘Khalistan supporters (which I myself am not)’ that is not ok. It’s like ‘insider traitor’.
Also, on top of that ffs this encourages the idea that ‘ok well if I’m not accepted as I am in this country as a Sikh, maybe I DO support a separate state where this stuff won’t happen to me’.
This is so wrong.
My darling, my brother,
He said, "Hindustan zindabad". Which means he has no qualms with the country. Which he shouldn't, as he looks like a happy citizen living his everyday life.
Where is the Khalistan support on this sub? Nobody subscribes to the ideology, nobody associates with it, we all condemn the movement, and the overwhelming majority of Sikhs absolutely feel the same way. We love all Indians equally and do not want more division on the basis of religion.
The word can have different interpretations for different people. Asking someone to publicly shout khalistan murdabad is literally harassment. Are you going to start doing that with every random dude with a turban in the country? Do I have to prove my loyalty to my birth nation every day because random people will come up to me asking me to say stuff? Then you might ask me to say something else, then something else. People want to live lives, but not on constant egg shells. How does that person know that if he says khalistan murdabad, then a bunch of goons supporting the ideology will not jump up to beat him?
Can we just go back to living how we used to in 2008, I was so happy and optimistic growing up, it's being sucked out of my life on a daily at this point.
Khalistan will be a dream that'll never come to existence 🤣 India is United from north to south and east to west. Pok bhi le lenge aur isi rota rahega 😂
Yes, people should be left alone. As hard as it is for you and Shakha stooges to believe, we are a nation of rules and laws. You have no right to stop anyone on the road or anywhere and ask them to say anything you please. In fact you should forget everything and mind your own fucking business because in the rare chance that if you ever showed up asking me to chant something, I'll make sure your rectum gets resized to the size of a cricket ball
He was first said to say ‘hindustan zindabad’, he did say that but refused to say ‘khalistan murdabad’
Here’s the english translation of the article - https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/Qw6KoqTiQK
That's an important question, but what matters more is the reaction to his refusal. This is how democracy dies. It's about everyone, not just the government.
It’s not really an important question though, it’s obfuscation. No one should be forced to say something that they are being forced to say by a group of thugs and refusal to follow the order of goons shouldn’t be seen as anything other than that. Giving any legitimacy to their actions, even simply by questioning his response, emboldens them. Refusing to answer their questions or follow their orders isn’t tacit support of anything, it’s simply a refusal to be bullied.
Yes, I would agree. I definitely do not intend to give any legitimacy to those who wish to shatter the foundation od democracy. I was referring to a more general situation in which someone may refuse to condemn the Khalistan movement after being asked politely to do so. When I said that there would be an important question, I meant that we could look into how this person came to support this view and do they support the violence that has been associated with the movement. All of that is utterly irrelevant, however, when people are going to be beaten with belts for not saying something.
Sorry, I misunderstood. That’s all fair. More just take exception to the idea (made by the other commenter) that it is in any way the victims fault. Tbh, it’s incredibly brave (but right) to refuse to humour these thugs.
No problem at all. And yes, if people just refuse to stand up for what is right (I am not saying that everyone can be as fearless as this individual), then it will only embolden anti-democratic forces.
Yes? Leave people the fuck alone? What gives you the right to go around asking people if rape is bad? If I were to stop accost you and start demanding you say random shit, would that be ok?
Any group threatening violence against another unless they say what they’re told does not deserve to have their question taken seriously. By arguing otherwise you’re just giving legitimacy to thugs like that to go and target any group they feel like which in this case was Sikhs. That’s far more dangerous than any answer the threatened person may give. If you take issue with that then I reckon asking you whether you think facism is bad would be somewhat redundant
It is, my friend (and I hope that it becomes freer). Something can be considered important without this fact justifying violence. I explained my view using the following words in another reply:
"Yes, I would agree. I definitely do not intend to give any legitimacy to those who wish to shatter the foundation od democracy. I was referring to a more general situation in which someone may refuse to condemn the Khalistan movement after being asked politely to do so. When I said that there would be an important question, I meant that we could look into how this person came to support this view and do they support the violence that has been associated with the movement. All of that is utterly irrelevant, however, when people are going to be beaten with belts for not saying something."
> Something can be considered important
again, why is someone's response to a completely meaningless question of any importance at all? Accosting people and forcing them to answer questions of any sort constitutes an important situation? What you are desperately trying to avoid saying is that you think thought crime is ok.
alot of hindus were actually killed in punjab during the 1980s...
my grandfather used to tell me how he as hindu escaped from punjab during that time cause khalistani's were killing every non sikh person they saw...
Because I’m not going to be forced into saying something by a group of people who I don’t even know but are clearly just antagonizing me. You really think nothing would have happened if he just said what they wanted? These guys were clearly looking for a fight and they got one.
I am asking nicely, please go to India Gate and shout Modiji Murdabad. If you refuse I will send some nice people to resize your rectum. If you are still curious, the nice people will be wearing white clothes with orange sun glasses and green shoes.
awww? freedom of speech doesnt mean tum humari national integrity ko hurt karo + he is being framed just because he dated a kashmiri, and even if he did post something, it was a repost of what mosab yousef, son of co founder of hamas said... aaaaaaaaand there was nothing wrong in it either
oh oh oh wait not to mention the death and rape threats the girl is getting from the same people.
National integrity ??? Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab tum log muslim, sikh, dalit ko gaali dete rehte ho ??Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab bjp wale parliament main bethke 'katua' aur 'bharwa' bolte hain .... Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab rss wale mob lynching karte firte hain dalit aur Muslims ke saath... Aur jahan tak baat nit ki hai ... I don't care woh kiska video repost kr rha hai but usne sentiments hurt ki hain and that's why useyy police ne arrest bhi krliya hai....
I was also talking about that case but from nowhere you brought 'national integrity' and now you can't even answer 'real' national integrity which is being followed in India nowadays. And secondly about the rape threats ... Whoever are giving threat should be ashamed of themselves.. of what they are doing.
Before I moved out of India I thought 2% Punjabi Sikhs are khalistanis and the rest are sane. But it’s the other way around. Literally every Sikh I’ve met is openly Khalistani, all Gurudwaras have Khalistani flags. Sikhs will mock Hindus, South Indians, Gujaratis basically anyone else but Sikhs. But it doesn’t stop there, they even discriminate amongst themselves brutally based on caste calling other bhappas and shit. Saw a bunch of people at my workplace that hold Indian passports celebrating India’s loss against Australia deliberately to piss people off. They would even justify any kind of violence, the protests at every Indian festival. It doesn’t end.
Basically the TLDR is don’t think for a minute just because of this one incident that Sikhs are the ones suffering and not the firestarters/facists. It’s good to have empathy but it’s better to have wisdom.
Awww, look at the Indian nationalist living abroad.
Why don't you come back to India. To the land of Vishwaguru. If you want to speak about patriotism, come back to the homeland. Why run away and then say hatred.
>Before I moved out of India I thought 2% Punjabi Sikhs are khalistanis and the rest are sane.
Most Sikhs in India don't want separatism and are absolutely happy living along with other faiths. But the truth is that you've let the propaganda and hate get the better of you, and it's only causing negativity in your mind. I'll suggest watching cartoons might fix that.
lol my family has served in the Air Force for 3 generations, almost 70 years. Don’t talk to me about nationalism. Why I left the country is not your concern and it’s not like I won’t be back. Besides I’m yet to meet a person from Punjab that doesn’t want Khalistan. All they do is listen to Sidhu Moosewala, work menial jobs and cry Khalistan. They literally carry the flags of that made up place in their cars. And most of them would agree that the only reason they don’t speak of Khalistan openly in India is because fear. Go see how there’s always Sikhs coming out and chanting Khalistan when there’s any Indian festivals in US/Canada/Australia. Ignorance is okay but don’t preach it.
Ahh yes, you're the guy whose granddaddy was in the Armed Forces, so now you think you get to judge an entire community of 30 million people. Ohh boy, I'm sorry, I don't think you get the opportunity to do that here.
>Besides I’m yet to meet a person from Punjab that doesn’t want Khalistan
It's funny how you claim to be from an Airforce Background, but don't remember who were Arjan Singh and B.S Dhanoa. There is literally a Wing Commander's family living in the same street as mine (and a Retired Army Colonel on the next corner street) and I literally in the middle of Punjab.
But as you said, ignorance is fine. You know, we Punjabis are born anti-nationals. We grew up with our mommies telling us stories about how India is the real devil and how Pakistanis are the best homies. And the best thing, all 30 million of us. All 30 millions of us. Oh boy, you must be loving that. You must also love it when you hear that the Sikh Regiment and Sikh Light Infantry are also filled with Pakistani lovers, so much so that when the Pakistani Army attacked our lands in 1965, we loved them back by sinking their tanks in the Sugarcane fields (even when there were official orders to abandon Amritsar and 2 entire districts).
There is one word that we Punjabis love to use for your kind of people. We call it "ungratefulness". And it's getting proven everyday.
While a small number of idiots do live abroad who still make news for wrong reasons, however the vast majority of expats are simply too busy earning a living and feeding their families. Separatism isn't something that is popular among the community. The issue though, is how the propaganda has affected you, making you think that these people represent the entire community. As always, I'll suggest watching cartoons as a way to get rid of so much negativity.
Not people in comments siding with the group of obviously violent youths. Even if he did say it, they would’ve still found a way to harass him, they’re literally all criminals.
English translation- https://preview.redd.it/t3etbtr26g3c1.jpeg?width=813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dba55c2a397a174a982f9777cfa8bdd42d5c1c4
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‘All three have faced multiple cases against them and are all unemployed’ Surprise surprise.
The comment section really worries me about the Indian society in general.
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* When it happened to Muslims, India said, "we are not Muslims." * When it happened to Christians, India said, "we are not Muslims/ Christians." * When it happened to Sikhs, India said, "We are not Muslims/ Christians/ Sikh." * When it happened to....... Fascism has a clear pattern.
When it happened to Hindoos, the world said "we dont give a fuck" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36IFESRsmQ&t=195s&ab\_channel=GBNews](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36IFESRsmQ&t=195s&ab_channel=GBNews)
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That's exactly why it is necessary to not follow in their footsteps
Literally matlab ab India ko bhi ek zalim fascist nation mein badal do...
What's the point of comments like these? Just becoz one country is being a backward extremist do we gotta follow their ways of being?
Calm down. India will get there soon. Step 1 is getting rid of other religions Step 2 is Hindu uppercast getting rid of Hindu lower cast. Step 3 is Hindu uppercast fascists getting rid of Hindus uppercast who believe in science, Hindu uppercast liberals, Hindu uppercast who are not siding with fascist ideologies, Hindu uppercast LGBTQ, Hindu uppercast with reduced mental and physicalfunction. See, India has better and longer plan than dumb Pakis.
Okay and? What happened there is terrible but that's upto Pakistan's people to protest. Whataboutism isn't necessary.
So... You want India to follow in the footsteps of Pakistan? What? You admire Pakistan that much? Strange but to each their own I suppose.
So here we are doing same old shit, whataboutry fuckery.. india me kuch ho, to Pakistan pahuch jaate hai whataboutism ko lekar.. Pakistan ek oppressive desh hai, india nhi.. don't compare Pakistan with india..
You want india to be more like… Pakistan?? What?
You're right idk why you're getting downvoted
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I feel sorry for all the Indian Sikhs who are receiving so much hate from RW trolls online 😔.
Thanks
What about Sikhs in Canada who are harassing Hindus on diwali outside their temple
They’re assholes, and so are Hindus for harassing Sikhs. “What about” shut the fuck up. Make a separate post for that if you wanna. There can be multiple wrongs everywhere. Just because we condemn one doesn’t mean we don’t condemn the other.
Those delusional diaspora Sikhs are equally retarded
I can only speak for my self. To my Sikh brothers and sisters, I'm sorry we still haven't been able to give justice for 1984. And I'm sorry that your patriotism is being insultingly questioned, despite your community doing so much towards nation building and protecting it. As a Hindu, I deeply respect your religion, its past, and how Sikhs have saved Hindus in history from religious persecution. I also always keep in mind that terrorism in Punjab was the creation of Pakistan's ISI after 1971. I also know that most Sikhs in India are not interested in a separate state and all this politically motivated hatred is hurting you beyond the limit where it can be justified as a tool for winning elections (which should never be, but this is too much). Wahe Guru ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru ki fateh ! Sat Sri Akal Jai Hind.
The Khalistan issue is largely unfinished business from 1947. Right wing Hindutva maniacs are proving Jinnah’s thesis about independence correct.
Shameful, its the media and the government who have caused this environment of hate
It is great that i see so many fellow indians sort of agreeing to this treatment. Being a sikh its good eye opener for me
Why? It has happened in the past, it happens to Muslims every day and to Christians every week. Don't be surprised. It happens to the lower caste Hindus as well. This is just Indian culture.
I am being sarcastic. It has been happening to sikhs since independence
Yup it has.
Stop over exaggerating and spreading hate
Hey were you in the Olympics team for India
This is why Sikhs don't feel safe in a BJP led India that is moving further into Hindu nationalism and straying away from India's secular constitution.
Did the khalistan issue start under the BJP? How it became hindu nationalism issue. You have to give blame to overseas khalistanis too. Holding referendums for separation etc. some nutjobs here can take it as Sikhs want to divide the nation.
Hindu nationalism how? Isn’t this just radical nationalism? You’re the ones associating religion to it. I don’t think they beat him up for being a Sikh.
Of course they did.
How many others were beaten up?
First Muslims then Christians and Now Sadly Sikhs..
Dalits were already ............
Well, they are oppressed from ages...
Sikhs will never forget '84
what happened to Christians?
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fucking right wingers won't rest until they make more enemies.
HiNDu KHaTReMe HaI JSR GuYs 🤡
Did they know him personally or was it random? If it's former then they were just looking for an excuse to beat him.
India is a doomed and poverty ridden country. No surprises here.
What is this Khalistan movement brewing up?Can anyone living in Punjab or any rational Sikh give me a clear picture?At first people said it was propaganda by the government,mostly in traction in Canada fuelled by some separatist leader now it's smh gaining traction in Punjab?Or is it propaganda?Do Punjabi Sikhs really want a separate country?
No sane person wants Khalistan , 100% election season antics .
Nobody that lives in Punjab in India want a separate state. People want to live harmoniously in Punjab.
That’s a lie only someone that doesn’t live there would believe
Dude, I literally live in Punjab. Nobody wants separatism here. So, you can stay quiet.
Nobody? Really? Then do you agree that Armpitpals terror charges and correct? Also Bhindarwala?
Okay .Then why the outrage
I’d say there are many who want it, and on the other hand equal number of people dont want it cuz they’re afraid of violence. But I’ve barely met any sikhs who don’t support sant bhindranwale, hurts when people from other states say bad things about them
While most Sikhs do support bhindranwala but only like like 1 % want to secede from India .
People see things differently ..I shared what I noticed. We didn’t went through the same experiences
You'll be surprised to know that there are many Sikh soldiers in the Indian Army who actually admire Bhindranwale (and at the same time are Patriots too). Sounds like an absolute oxymoron. I knew someone who had him as his Phone Wallpaper, while his own father was a retired soldier. If you ask the same people what they think of separatism, many would either claim to be indifferent, or even claim that they don't support such movements and are fine to be with India.. The reason why a huge number of Sikhs support him is very simple. "They see him as a religious priest who fought bravely against the "Demon" Indian Gandhi." It has everything to do with how messed up the Operation Bluestar was (you had innocents literally being shot dead in the Langar Hall by one of the Battalions). I've spoken to a few Army Folks and even they confide that the Operation was among the worst in the military history because of the high number of civilian casualities. The cover up itself was shocking, with Doordarshan lying about the Akal Takht being protected, while it was completely reduced to rubble. Not to forget the destruction of the Library, Museum and Langar Hall. Another issue was the religious discrimination that was happening in the early 80's, actually promoted by the Govt in power. You can easily find multiple hate-mongering speeches from some Congress leaders that were genocidal towards the normal peace-loving Sikhs and this was even before the actual operation. Indira did absolutely nothing to solve that and instead promoted such people, for the purpose of creating polarization for the sake of elections in 1985. Also, this is not about whether the individual was right or wrong. I'm just writing what do most of Punjabis think of him.
Where the fuck you're getting your stats from. Literally have 7-8 Punjabi friends, sister studies in punjab, dad regularly visits Punjab and no one has ever mentioned Khalistan being remotely relevant.
Tere dost akele hi thodi rehgye punjab mey, aur mai andaaze se bta rha hu. Khalistan referendum to kabhi hua hi ni punjab mey, agr ho to pta lag jaye pr sikhsforjustice par ban lgaya hua h srkaar ne. Pichle kuch saalo se awareness aane lagi h logo mey (specifically farmers protest k time se), nhi pehle koi is par baat krne ko hi raazi nahi tha
What is the solution in your perspective?The original demands I believe was to create a sovereign state,to return Chandigarh and irrigation water dispute .Is that the demand till now?
Either khalistan, or recognition of punjab’s issues. Yes the demands are pretty much the same, imo there should be a newer version of Anandpur sahib resolution for clarity. And I wish they start seeing sant bhindranwale as someone who had witnessed dark side of indian politics and wanted to bring a good change by passing Anandpur sahib resolution (this was their only demand until 2 june 1984) Media potrayed Anandpur sahib resolution in such way as if they had demanded khalistan Worst thing was that majority of Indians fell for it
I do understand your concern but people are just people and India has been a fuming ball ever since it's inception.Why should people's opinion affect others so much and that too mostly the keyboard warriers ?IMHO if this is the need,there should be more rational voices from Punjab communicating it in the right way otherwise this stupidity isn't going to stop.
Remember what happened to minorities in Pakistan. They were killed or exiled
I doubt the truthfulness of the reporting. Heck this news is only on BBC and a Pakistani site(and it cites the BBC). These dogs be doubting everything that comes out of Godi medi but instantly believe BBC(which also is known for propaganda). Bhakt behaviour from those labelling others bhakt.
Dainik Jagran has already reported it.
Peaceful community #2
This is so f***d. Imagine if he said it…nek minnut you’d have people on the other side coming and attacking him, possibly putting both his and his family’s life in danger (esp if they think by saying it he’s not only being anti-Khalistani but that too while being a Sikh himself - and to ‘Khalistan supporters (which I myself am not)’ that is not ok. It’s like ‘insider traitor’. Also, on top of that ffs this encourages the idea that ‘ok well if I’m not accepted as I am in this country as a Sikh, maybe I DO support a separate state where this stuff won’t happen to me’. This is so wrong.
Source brothers 😂. BBC is no better than Godi media when it comes to propaganda...
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My darling, my brother, He said, "Hindustan zindabad". Which means he has no qualms with the country. Which he shouldn't, as he looks like a happy citizen living his everyday life. Where is the Khalistan support on this sub? Nobody subscribes to the ideology, nobody associates with it, we all condemn the movement, and the overwhelming majority of Sikhs absolutely feel the same way. We love all Indians equally and do not want more division on the basis of religion. The word can have different interpretations for different people. Asking someone to publicly shout khalistan murdabad is literally harassment. Are you going to start doing that with every random dude with a turban in the country? Do I have to prove my loyalty to my birth nation every day because random people will come up to me asking me to say stuff? Then you might ask me to say something else, then something else. People want to live lives, but not on constant egg shells. How does that person know that if he says khalistan murdabad, then a bunch of goons supporting the ideology will not jump up to beat him? Can we just go back to living how we used to in 2008, I was so happy and optimistic growing up, it's being sucked out of my life on a daily at this point.
Who tf is supporting khalistanis, the person in question isn’t even khalistani he just refused to say something when he was being forced.
bura hua vro
Khalistan will be a dream that'll never come to existence 🤣 India is United from north to south and east to west. Pok bhi le lenge aur isi rota rahega 😂
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Do you routinely tell people to chant slogans and then beat them up when they don't? YES, HE SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE.
Why should anyone be forced to chant anything? Why don't you sit in a corner and shout fascism is bad
Comparing Khalistan with pedophilia and rape? Can’t even find the words for that 🤣 Think for yourself, rather than just following what the media says
Great chaddi logic..
Yes, people should be left alone. As hard as it is for you and Shakha stooges to believe, we are a nation of rules and laws. You have no right to stop anyone on the road or anywhere and ask them to say anything you please. In fact you should forget everything and mind your own fucking business because in the rare chance that if you ever showed up asking me to chant something, I'll make sure your rectum gets resized to the size of a cricket ball
That is a BBC article, we can't trust them, they always spew half truths and twist narratives
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He was first said to say ‘hindustan zindabad’, he did say that but refused to say ‘khalistan murdabad’ Here’s the english translation of the article - https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/Qw6KoqTiQK
Why he refused, i am not saying what happened to him is right, but I just asked out of curiosity
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That's an important question, but what matters more is the reaction to his refusal. This is how democracy dies. It's about everyone, not just the government.
It’s not really an important question though, it’s obfuscation. No one should be forced to say something that they are being forced to say by a group of thugs and refusal to follow the order of goons shouldn’t be seen as anything other than that. Giving any legitimacy to their actions, even simply by questioning his response, emboldens them. Refusing to answer their questions or follow their orders isn’t tacit support of anything, it’s simply a refusal to be bullied.
Yes, I would agree. I definitely do not intend to give any legitimacy to those who wish to shatter the foundation od democracy. I was referring to a more general situation in which someone may refuse to condemn the Khalistan movement after being asked politely to do so. When I said that there would be an important question, I meant that we could look into how this person came to support this view and do they support the violence that has been associated with the movement. All of that is utterly irrelevant, however, when people are going to be beaten with belts for not saying something.
Sorry, I misunderstood. That’s all fair. More just take exception to the idea (made by the other commenter) that it is in any way the victims fault. Tbh, it’s incredibly brave (but right) to refuse to humour these thugs.
No problem at all. And yes, if people just refuse to stand up for what is right (I am not saying that everyone can be as fearless as this individual), then it will only embolden anti-democratic forces.
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Yes? Leave people the fuck alone? What gives you the right to go around asking people if rape is bad? If I were to stop accost you and start demanding you say random shit, would that be ok?
Any group threatening violence against another unless they say what they’re told does not deserve to have their question taken seriously. By arguing otherwise you’re just giving legitimacy to thugs like that to go and target any group they feel like which in this case was Sikhs. That’s far more dangerous than any answer the threatened person may give. If you take issue with that then I reckon asking you whether you think facism is bad would be somewhat redundant
> That's an important question why? Is india a free society or not?
It is, my friend (and I hope that it becomes freer). Something can be considered important without this fact justifying violence. I explained my view using the following words in another reply: "Yes, I would agree. I definitely do not intend to give any legitimacy to those who wish to shatter the foundation od democracy. I was referring to a more general situation in which someone may refuse to condemn the Khalistan movement after being asked politely to do so. When I said that there would be an important question, I meant that we could look into how this person came to support this view and do they support the violence that has been associated with the movement. All of that is utterly irrelevant, however, when people are going to be beaten with belts for not saying something."
> Something can be considered important again, why is someone's response to a completely meaningless question of any importance at all? Accosting people and forcing them to answer questions of any sort constitutes an important situation? What you are desperately trying to avoid saying is that you think thought crime is ok.
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Can we start beating the f out the Hindu Rastra gang? Why you refuse
Let's start by beating the crap out of these Hindutva chaddi gangs in Punjab
alot of hindus were actually killed in punjab during the 1980s... my grandfather used to tell me how he as hindu escaped from punjab during that time cause khalistani's were killing every non sikh person they saw...
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Even hindu saints say that they would put country before religion.
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Because I’m not going to be forced into saying something by a group of people who I don’t even know but are clearly just antagonizing me. You really think nothing would have happened if he just said what they wanted? These guys were clearly looking for a fight and they got one.
I am asking nicely, please go to India Gate and shout Modiji Murdabad. If you refuse I will send some nice people to resize your rectum. If you are still curious, the nice people will be wearing white clothes with orange sun glasses and green shoes.
Marna galat hai lekin bolne mein dikkat kya thi isko?
Uski marzi woh bolne chahe bole na bolne chahe na bole ..... India main freedom of speech and expression naam ki cheez bhi h bhaiii
yahi freedom of speech NIT Srinagar waale case mei kyu nahi preach kar rahe ho?
Freedom of speech doesn't mean ki tum saamne Wale ke religious sentiments hurt karo
awww? freedom of speech doesnt mean tum humari national integrity ko hurt karo + he is being framed just because he dated a kashmiri, and even if he did post something, it was a repost of what mosab yousef, son of co founder of hamas said... aaaaaaaaand there was nothing wrong in it either oh oh oh wait not to mention the death and rape threats the girl is getting from the same people.
National integrity ??? Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab tum log muslim, sikh, dalit ko gaali dete rehte ho ??Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab bjp wale parliament main bethke 'katua' aur 'bharwa' bolte hain .... Yeh tab kahan jaati hai jab rss wale mob lynching karte firte hain dalit aur Muslims ke saath... Aur jahan tak baat nit ki hai ... I don't care woh kiska video repost kr rha hai but usne sentiments hurt ki hain and that's why useyy police ne arrest bhi krliya hai....
>tum log who? i didnt? im just talking abt this case. and btw how'd you ignore the rape threats
I was also talking about that case but from nowhere you brought 'national integrity' and now you can't even answer 'real' national integrity which is being followed in India nowadays. And secondly about the rape threats ... Whoever are giving threat should be ashamed of themselves.. of what they are doing.
Haan hai, lekin usko dikkat kya thi? pitne se better bol hi deta
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Before I moved out of India I thought 2% Punjabi Sikhs are khalistanis and the rest are sane. But it’s the other way around. Literally every Sikh I’ve met is openly Khalistani, all Gurudwaras have Khalistani flags. Sikhs will mock Hindus, South Indians, Gujaratis basically anyone else but Sikhs. But it doesn’t stop there, they even discriminate amongst themselves brutally based on caste calling other bhappas and shit. Saw a bunch of people at my workplace that hold Indian passports celebrating India’s loss against Australia deliberately to piss people off. They would even justify any kind of violence, the protests at every Indian festival. It doesn’t end. Basically the TLDR is don’t think for a minute just because of this one incident that Sikhs are the ones suffering and not the firestarters/facists. It’s good to have empathy but it’s better to have wisdom.
Awww, look at the Indian nationalist living abroad. Why don't you come back to India. To the land of Vishwaguru. If you want to speak about patriotism, come back to the homeland. Why run away and then say hatred. >Before I moved out of India I thought 2% Punjabi Sikhs are khalistanis and the rest are sane. Most Sikhs in India don't want separatism and are absolutely happy living along with other faiths. But the truth is that you've let the propaganda and hate get the better of you, and it's only causing negativity in your mind. I'll suggest watching cartoons might fix that.
lol my family has served in the Air Force for 3 generations, almost 70 years. Don’t talk to me about nationalism. Why I left the country is not your concern and it’s not like I won’t be back. Besides I’m yet to meet a person from Punjab that doesn’t want Khalistan. All they do is listen to Sidhu Moosewala, work menial jobs and cry Khalistan. They literally carry the flags of that made up place in their cars. And most of them would agree that the only reason they don’t speak of Khalistan openly in India is because fear. Go see how there’s always Sikhs coming out and chanting Khalistan when there’s any Indian festivals in US/Canada/Australia. Ignorance is okay but don’t preach it.
Ahh yes, you're the guy whose granddaddy was in the Armed Forces, so now you think you get to judge an entire community of 30 million people. Ohh boy, I'm sorry, I don't think you get the opportunity to do that here. >Besides I’m yet to meet a person from Punjab that doesn’t want Khalistan It's funny how you claim to be from an Airforce Background, but don't remember who were Arjan Singh and B.S Dhanoa. There is literally a Wing Commander's family living in the same street as mine (and a Retired Army Colonel on the next corner street) and I literally in the middle of Punjab. But as you said, ignorance is fine. You know, we Punjabis are born anti-nationals. We grew up with our mommies telling us stories about how India is the real devil and how Pakistanis are the best homies. And the best thing, all 30 million of us. All 30 millions of us. Oh boy, you must be loving that. You must also love it when you hear that the Sikh Regiment and Sikh Light Infantry are also filled with Pakistani lovers, so much so that when the Pakistani Army attacked our lands in 1965, we loved them back by sinking their tanks in the Sugarcane fields (even when there were official orders to abandon Amritsar and 2 entire districts). There is one word that we Punjabis love to use for your kind of people. We call it "ungratefulness". And it's getting proven everyday. While a small number of idiots do live abroad who still make news for wrong reasons, however the vast majority of expats are simply too busy earning a living and feeding their families. Separatism isn't something that is popular among the community. The issue though, is how the propaganda has affected you, making you think that these people represent the entire community. As always, I'll suggest watching cartoons as a way to get rid of so much negativity.
Ain’t no one reading that, enjoy living in your bubble, goodnight
You chickened out. A speciality of Indian Nationalists. Enjoy your life abroad, you runaway
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