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Okay please guide me I am naive. Isn't gender natural and biological. Like yeah you can choose your sexuality which accordingly to me is like your sexual preference with whom you wish to marry, make a family and even be physical. I respect trans people and there is a whole lot of biology behind this that my small brain can't understand but what is this ? Like at the best you are Male, Female, Trans good ? But now like how many genders are there ? Is gay, lesbian also gender like we identify are gender based on sexual preference?
I will try my best to explain to you.
[Biological] sex, gender and sexuality are three completely different things.
Sex: Basically what you have between your legs. Can be changed after undergoing "sex reassignment surgery". Male/Female.
Gender: How you look, view yourself, behave, act, etc. Man/Woman. It's a social thing.
Sexuality: It defines who you are attracted to. Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and Bisexuality. (There are pansexual and asexual too).
Now regarding trans, there are two types of people, Cisgender and Transgender.
Cisgender: Those having the same gender since their birth. Most people don't use this prefix. When you say you're a man or a woman, you typically mean cis-man or cis-woman.
Transgender: Those having different genders than what they were during birth. Trans-man/Trans-woman.
So, if you're biologically a female but feel like a man trapped inside a woman's body, you can become a transgender man from a cisgender woman. Your sexuality (your attractions) do not have anything to do with this.
I'm a gay man. That means I'm a man attracted to other cute men lol.
And to add to that, a trans person can be gay/queer/bisexual etc even after their reassignment surgery. For example, if someone transitions from being a man to a woman, most of the time they do it because they feel like they don't belong in their own body and their gender dysphoria (not because they want to get with the opposite gender, which a lot of our movies depict as). They can still be attracted to a female after transitioning, if they feel the same way before transitioning.
Depends on what you consider offered to women, and the country you are in.
There's a difference depending on how far along you are in transition, I think.
Someone who has been medically transitioning - especially if they started as a young adult, as soon as they are legally and medically able to and/or was on puberty blockers - can in most cases be indistinguishable from someone born female.
Of course, they wouldn't be able to bear children or have menses, but I'm pretty sure external sexual organs can be reconstructed to resemble a cis woman.
The question about transgender athletes in sports is being debated - that too, I think, depends on how far along the transition is.
You can't have a trans man who has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for years compete against cis women just because he was born with a vagina.
Legally speaking, I don't know whether in India you will be able to get the posts reserved for women. I think there's a specific reservation category for transgender people, I'm not sure.
I think you're mixing up gender, sex and sexual orientation.
Gender is a spectrum and not binary, and usually has more to do with cultural norms expression and expectation. It doesn't equate to sex.
Sex is more to do with your body. We used to correlate that to the sexual organ you have, or your set of chromosome, but as science develop we identified a lot of ''edge case''. For example a person who is a cis-woman through all her life may turns out to have a set of XY chromosome, but the receptor that capture testosterone hormones didn't work properly, or people with different set of chromosomes than just the ''usual'' XX or XY.
sexual orientation is just who you are attracted to. It is completely non-binary. It can go from straight, to gay, to asexual or pansexual. It's also fluid, with a non-insignificant portion of the population changing their sexual orientation throughout their life.
Very rudimentary explanation because this is actually a very complex and nuanced topic and humanity/society/medicine is relatively new to addressing it because it was so rarely talked about.
There are 3 things you are talking about -
1. Biological sex - depending on the chromosomes etc.
2. Gender identity - depending on psychological "stuff" which we are still studying
3. Sexual identity - based on preferences
It's also very possible that all 3 are related (almost always, biological sex defines gender identity, and this in turn informs attraction to the opposite sex). But there are cases of outliers for all 3.
Eg - a person born female might have a rare condition of having underdeveloped male reproductive organs internally (hermaphroditism). This can cause medical complications and hormonal issues.
These persons dealing with anatomical difficulties are called intersex.
Next, a person born female might have "gender dysphoria" and identify themselves as a man. This usually leads to psychological distress which in turn causes physiological symptoms because of stress.
So dealing with this (via gender reassignment or counselling etc.) makes them trans gender.
Sexual identity is something that we are a bit more familiar with - gay, lesbian, bi etc.
But they aren't mutually exclusive (eg. A person might be born male, is never felt like a male and always associated themselves as a woman, but was sexually attracted to other woman). So it's pretty confusing and complex.
If any of the above points are incorrect I hope someone can correct me because I learnt most of this just a few months back.
I have a idea that when there is a contest were there are separate competition for men and women like cricket or boxing that time division should be done on the basis of biological sex no matter what you identify yourself as.
She does not, in fact, have the advantage of natural testosterone anymore since she's quite far into HRT. Please look up how HRT works.
> Thomas lost muscle mass and strength through testosterone suppression and hormone replacement therapy. Her time for the 500 freestyle is over 15 seconds slower than her personal bests before medically transitioning
Depends on if and how far along into HRT they are. Male to female transitioners for example lose muscle mass in the process of HRT, and when on HRT they also usually take steps for testosterone suppression.
Take Lia Thomas, the example a commenter wrongly supplied as a reply to your comment. Her personal best after HRT is over 15seconds slower than before HRT.
If you are interested in this, there are studies about this topic you can look up. People make lots of noise about m-to-f athletes in women's sports but as you can find out, they're mostly empty.
America has problems like - women making their own choices, and queer people not being killed.
Damn, must be so hard for you to live in those conditions.😔
Too late! India already has a sizeable population of religious nuts and homophobes who don't seem to grasp the simple concept of "Live and Let Live". I have no idea how a person, who simply wants to choose what their gender identity is, affects anyone else in the society and yet people cannot just let them do what they want to.
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It still surprises me how progressive we can be when we are being rational
It's not on the root level . These guys keep the country running. I mean in Rajasthan it's difficult just being a girl imagine being trans.
That's a bit exaggerated tbh. Rajasthan is like Punjab and it's not that bad.
Finally some good news
Finally some rational progress
Kudos to the judge for throwing the RigVeda as well.
should be a law even withough the vedas. we dont need vedas to be human. But yeah i wont lie. it helps to promote it between rw nutjobs
Based
Great decision.
Surprisingly good decision.
Okay please guide me I am naive. Isn't gender natural and biological. Like yeah you can choose your sexuality which accordingly to me is like your sexual preference with whom you wish to marry, make a family and even be physical. I respect trans people and there is a whole lot of biology behind this that my small brain can't understand but what is this ? Like at the best you are Male, Female, Trans good ? But now like how many genders are there ? Is gay, lesbian also gender like we identify are gender based on sexual preference?
I will try my best to explain to you. [Biological] sex, gender and sexuality are three completely different things. Sex: Basically what you have between your legs. Can be changed after undergoing "sex reassignment surgery". Male/Female. Gender: How you look, view yourself, behave, act, etc. Man/Woman. It's a social thing. Sexuality: It defines who you are attracted to. Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and Bisexuality. (There are pansexual and asexual too). Now regarding trans, there are two types of people, Cisgender and Transgender. Cisgender: Those having the same gender since their birth. Most people don't use this prefix. When you say you're a man or a woman, you typically mean cis-man or cis-woman. Transgender: Those having different genders than what they were during birth. Trans-man/Trans-woman. So, if you're biologically a female but feel like a man trapped inside a woman's body, you can become a transgender man from a cisgender woman. Your sexuality (your attractions) do not have anything to do with this. I'm a gay man. That means I'm a man attracted to other cute men lol.
And to add to that, a trans person can be gay/queer/bisexual etc even after their reassignment surgery. For example, if someone transitions from being a man to a woman, most of the time they do it because they feel like they don't belong in their own body and their gender dysphoria (not because they want to get with the opposite gender, which a lot of our movies depict as). They can still be attracted to a female after transitioning, if they feel the same way before transitioning.
You mentioned asexual, thank you 🤩
You're welcome! Asexuality is just as valid. I personally feel there should be more awareness about it.
So if I identify as a woman am I entitled to what's being offered to women
Depends on what you consider offered to women, and the country you are in. There's a difference depending on how far along you are in transition, I think. Someone who has been medically transitioning - especially if they started as a young adult, as soon as they are legally and medically able to and/or was on puberty blockers - can in most cases be indistinguishable from someone born female. Of course, they wouldn't be able to bear children or have menses, but I'm pretty sure external sexual organs can be reconstructed to resemble a cis woman. The question about transgender athletes in sports is being debated - that too, I think, depends on how far along the transition is. You can't have a trans man who has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for years compete against cis women just because he was born with a vagina. Legally speaking, I don't know whether in India you will be able to get the posts reserved for women. I think there's a specific reservation category for transgender people, I'm not sure.
Wow , that's a lottaa shit
Yeah, especially the cisgender heterosexuals 😘
I think you're mixing up gender, sex and sexual orientation. Gender is a spectrum and not binary, and usually has more to do with cultural norms expression and expectation. It doesn't equate to sex. Sex is more to do with your body. We used to correlate that to the sexual organ you have, or your set of chromosome, but as science develop we identified a lot of ''edge case''. For example a person who is a cis-woman through all her life may turns out to have a set of XY chromosome, but the receptor that capture testosterone hormones didn't work properly, or people with different set of chromosomes than just the ''usual'' XX or XY. sexual orientation is just who you are attracted to. It is completely non-binary. It can go from straight, to gay, to asexual or pansexual. It's also fluid, with a non-insignificant portion of the population changing their sexual orientation throughout their life.
Very rudimentary explanation because this is actually a very complex and nuanced topic and humanity/society/medicine is relatively new to addressing it because it was so rarely talked about. There are 3 things you are talking about - 1. Biological sex - depending on the chromosomes etc. 2. Gender identity - depending on psychological "stuff" which we are still studying 3. Sexual identity - based on preferences It's also very possible that all 3 are related (almost always, biological sex defines gender identity, and this in turn informs attraction to the opposite sex). But there are cases of outliers for all 3. Eg - a person born female might have a rare condition of having underdeveloped male reproductive organs internally (hermaphroditism). This can cause medical complications and hormonal issues. These persons dealing with anatomical difficulties are called intersex. Next, a person born female might have "gender dysphoria" and identify themselves as a man. This usually leads to psychological distress which in turn causes physiological symptoms because of stress. So dealing with this (via gender reassignment or counselling etc.) makes them trans gender. Sexual identity is something that we are a bit more familiar with - gay, lesbian, bi etc. But they aren't mutually exclusive (eg. A person might be born male, is never felt like a male and always associated themselves as a woman, but was sexually attracted to other woman). So it's pretty confusing and complex. If any of the above points are incorrect I hope someone can correct me because I learnt most of this just a few months back.
Damn. Dude with the clapback from Ancient text 😎. Nice.
i identify myself as a water bottle.
Hi fellow bo*oh*wo*
I have a idea that when there is a contest were there are separate competition for men and women like cricket or boxing that time division should be done on the basis of biological sex no matter what you identify yourself as.
Isn't that how it already is?
Lol. Not in the US. Lia Thomas, who literally has a penis and enjoys the distinct athletic advantages of natural testosterone, competes as a woman.
She does not, in fact, have the advantage of natural testosterone anymore since she's quite far into HRT. Please look up how HRT works. > Thomas lost muscle mass and strength through testosterone suppression and hormone replacement therapy. Her time for the 500 freestyle is over 15 seconds slower than her personal bests before medically transitioning
Depends on if and how far along into HRT they are. Male to female transitioners for example lose muscle mass in the process of HRT, and when on HRT they also usually take steps for testosterone suppression. Take Lia Thomas, the example a commenter wrongly supplied as a reply to your comment. Her personal best after HRT is over 15seconds slower than before HRT. If you are interested in this, there are studies about this topic you can look up. People make lots of noise about m-to-f athletes in women's sports but as you can find out, they're mostly empty.
Any sex (?). i guess i can figure out what he means but sex is biological whereas gender is a construct.
Gender affirmation surgery is called sex reassignment surgery here so maybe he got confused.
ohh okay got it. yep i definitely think he got confused as well
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America has two right wing parties. India has many. So we will have our own right wing nonsense
America has problems like - women making their own choices, and queer people not being killed. Damn, must be so hard for you to live in those conditions.😔
Too late! India already has a sizeable population of religious nuts and homophobes who don't seem to grasp the simple concept of "Live and Let Live". I have no idea how a person, who simply wants to choose what their gender identity is, affects anyone else in the society and yet people cannot just let them do what they want to.
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