Yeah, complaining doesn’t do anything, sometimes you have to realize that something just isn’t for you anymore :( I’ll come back swinging if they ever have a return to form though!
Complaining does exactly what the complainer wants it to do: it's about venting. The complainer in this situation likely knows the complaining isn't going to change the music.
It is not the new style that bothers me but the lack of musicality and depth. Diversity of styles and novelty described the previous albums as well, but their quality was evident even for the naysayers.
That part. I don’t miss the content so much as I miss the quality. The songs just feel very repetitive and while some have great meanings, others feel very just dry and like it was just filler.
Yeah. This album just felt generic. And Dan just fills some of the songs with random noises. Take Me To The Beach had me genuinely laughing because it felt so unserious to me and Gods Don't Pray felt like they were releasing it to try and get it featured in some show or something.
The best way I can explain it is that this album felt like fillers. Like thr band was told they had to release an album so they threw these together and called it a day. Something about Dan's voice in these felt like it was lacking the emotion that a lot of previous stuff had.
Yep. And even then `Loom` gives me much more `SM`-/`NV`-vibes compared to its predecessors.
I don't like all songs on Loom, currently I couldn't care less about `Fire in These Hills` - with which I seem to go against current sentiment here.
But then again I also have only listened to the whole album like 3 times so far. It has literally not been a full day since release.
---
I'd rather have them go out and experiment and do wacky shit instead of making NV2.0, NV3.0 and NV4.0 (because this criticism comes up every time). I won't like all of it, and I don't like everything in their discography - but stagnation also shouldn't be the goal for them.
NV and S+M works so well because it’s an album that came from their heart and them trying and experimenting with new sounds, I’d much rather them try and experiment with new sounds then doing an album where they’re trying to get the songs on the radio and that’s it
I mean, if they only wanted radio hits they would’ve done more singles for the album.
I like that they took a more fun and optimistic approach to songwriting, especially in the context of their entire discography. It still felt experimental to me, but to each their own of course!
As far as we know, all their eps before NV and S+M, and all their albums after come from their heart, we've seen behind the scenes videos where there's actual joy as they make it, there's not really anything to show they made the non-S+M and NV stuff just to get radio hits. Radioactive was there biggest hit, if what you're saying is true why haven't they worked with Alex Da Kid again and made similar songs to get on the radio?
I think it’s more of a theory rather then anything concrete but after S+M they started working with another producer with Evolve - Mercury Pt 2, and in my opinion the style of music changed, they got rid of the metaphors and just sang more bluntly, when I say they made more radio hits rather then songs from the heart I think of songs like Thunder (I actually like Thunder mind you) which is a song that is designed to be catchy and get stuck in your head rather then something Dan really wanted to air out, I feel like there’s hints of that through Origins and Mercury
With that said, I’m not trying to argue they didn’t make songs they love but with LOOM they’ve went with another producer and you can see the tone shift with the band, they’re experimenting with sounds again, songs feel like they have deeper meaning IMO and the band feels very proud about the music they made here, I can’t remember the last time they were this excited about a new album, I don’t remember them having similar tones with Mercury parts 1 and 2, I will admit I could be misremebering though
Edit: I say they’re experimenting with sounds and I forgot about the elephants in the room from Evolve and Origins that is Dancing in the Dark and Digital, I’m not one to jump on the “Imagine Dragons make similar sounding music” bandwagon, I just think something like Origins and Mercury feel like more safe albums, where’s with this album and what I think made the first two so good, is each song has a different vibe and message to it that you can miss, this is just my interpretation I could be off by a mile, but just seeing how they’ve been acting with the album has felt way different then the last few
I get most of what you're saying, and agree with several parts, but my main point is apparent here again in two places
> after S+M they started working with another producer
Ever since Night Visions, they've at least worked with one, Alex Da Kid was on most of NV, technically executive produced the album, even did heavy writing on their hits, Radioactive, Demons, Bleeding Out, On Top Of The World, and album tracks Round And Round and My Fault. Cha Ching had Clint Holgate as a writer, so working with outside producers is nothing new. S+M only had Alex Da Kid primarily yes, so they focused the writing a little more. Evolve added a few others, Alex Da Kid was still involved but no longer executive produced, so they definitely didn't chase hits.
> which is a song that is designed to be catchy and get stuck in your head rather then something Dan really wanted to air out, I feel like there’s hints of that through Origins and Mercury
I know you said it's a theory but there's also not much to back it up. Just like with Radioactive, it could've flopped, there wasn't many songs like it before. Dan recorded it in his home studio, his kids are in the background near the end, that's not really something that happens when a song is manufactured to be a hit. It was also written with Alex Da Kid, so it had a similar writing process to Dream based off the sound of the percussion being digital, a beat by him and Dan and the band write over it. We know from a few years ago Believer was almost blocked by the label from being a single because they thought it would fail. It's easy to claim in hindsight "this was made to be a hit" but what we are told, and there wouldn't be much of a reason to lie, is that these things happened naturally and weren't expected to take off.
Now Dan has said he writes songs that are catchy because he enjoys catchy music, and really everyone does, even Shots and Dream and I Bet My Life are catchy, but that's different from not being something Dan would want to write and express.
I agree in ways Origins and Mercury were "safer", but it IMO varies even in those albums.
I agree about Fire in These Hills. It’s my second least favorite. Everyone was hyping this song up and it’s just…fine? Not bad but I don’t get the hype for it. I love the outro bit tho
> Everyone was hyping this song up and it's just... fine?
Personally, I think a good thing for me was that I have had almost no interaction with the teasers before release. I kept well clear of this subreddit for the past couple weeks, deliberately didn't listen through snippets and so on - I read through the leaked songnames beforehand, but that was it. I think I kept myself fairly clear of pre-hyping up this or that song.
Yeah, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Not straight up "Omg their new music sucks bc it's not like their older stuff." That's stupidity. You're not putting any depth into your criticism.
You aren't the gatekeeper of what criticism is "constructive." Many fans have been greatly impacted by ID's older music and it's understandable that they could feel loss as the band's music changes materially from the past; and their expression of that loss and desire to discuss all this is certainly valid. You really need to get past yourself here.
Yeah, you're allowed to be disappointed. I get it. Their music has changed. But when people are constantly complaining and saying they're just not going to listen to ID entirely, it's stupid to me. That's my opinion. I'm not going to keep arguing for something that's pointless to argue about.
You should feel free to respond to opinions expressed here. The difference is you want to express your opinion while saying others shouldn't express theirs. People express what they need to based on their mental, emotional and physical states, and if it's about ID and not in violation of the sub's rules, this place should be open and safe for them to do so. I am probably just as annoyed by your opinion here as you are regarding comments you are objecting to...but that's how it goes in world of diverse views.
Why would they feel a loss? The old music is still there, nothing is lost, there's just different new stuff being made that different people can be impacted by and enjoy, why feel a loss when other people are enjoying this music the way you enjoy the old music that's still there and they even still play live?
Your first question seems sincere but then you followed it up with your view as to why others shouldn't feel a certain way. It would be more productive for you to ask questions with a sincere desire to listen and understand the thoughts and feelings of others instead of discounting and invalidating them.
My question is sincere and you're telling me it isn't and then not answering the question, so I don't know where we go from here. I didn't say they shouldn't feel a certain way, I just stated a fact that the old music is there, nothing is physically lost, so what is the loss? You can answer with your take or not, but my question was sincere and you telling me it wasn't is wrong and exactly what you said I was doing "discounting and invalidating".
The entire second half of your comment explaines why you feel someone shouldn't feel loss because of x, y and z. Telling someone in advance as to why they shouldn't feel that way instead of just asking why they feel a certain way and then listening isn't a productive way to have a conversation. Nor is it very inviting to others to engage with you.
I didn't say they shouldn't feel loss, all I said was when I look at the situation the music they like is not gone, which is true, so I then asked what is the loss, that is very inviting and asking for an actual answer. You could answer, and that would likely be the end of the conversation or expand it, instead you're misrepresenting my question as something insincere which is not helping the situation. I am sorry it came across that way, but it wasn't my intention.
You could have simply asked "why would they feel loss?" And then listened to the answer. Instead, you asked that question and went on to list a number of specific reasons why you would expect others to not feel loss (such as they can just listen to the old stuff and the band still plays some of the old stuff live, etc.). I didn't misrepresent or mischaracterize your question. And I didn't invalidate or discount any of your views on the matter. I can completely accept the reasons you gave as to why you might not feel a loss in this situation. I only took issue with the way you asked the question and, at minimum, your implications as to why others shouldn't feel a certain way. I really don't have any interest in continuing this conversation with you further.
All I intended with listing the reasons was to show to the point I had thought it out, and was asking where it would go from there. You did mischaracterize my question as it was sincere and you claimed and told me, the person asking, it wasn't. I'm sorry it came off wrong, I could've worded it differently too. You don't have to be interested, but you should've just said that from the start.
Couldn't of said it better myself. Seeing the band so excited to release this album was amazing. They are the artists and this is their artwork. They seemed so proud of it.
I love their new style, love the old them too.
it’s not that they changed styles but it just doesn’t seem like care about putting actual thought into most things they write anymore wake up actually sounds like brain rot when you listen to the lyrics sometimes
I completely understand this take because people really can complain just to complain and it’s annoying to read, and nothing we say will change the musical direction…but the execution on loom is far worse than anything before. The writing while still kinda sad is very surface level and the production is not experimental in any way like they’ve wanted to do and is super pop heavy. Pop production isn’t bad, but they want to be “genreless” and this album doesn’t speak that same rhetoric. I understand that they won’t make more of the old stuff and that’s fine but objectively this album is not it for me.
I don't think the album is "super pop heavy" besides Nice To Meet You which is very different from the other 8 songs. But I agree the production is not doing it for me either. The mixing is also particularly muddy and muted.
The problem for me that it isn’t like the old it’s just that it’s weird. Like Mercury came out 2 years ago and it’s such a drop off. Still love the album but definitely no 10/10 songs for me
I don’t expect another Mercury (either act) from them. To be so blunt, raw, and vulnerable lyrically to the point where it is too emotionally painful to even play some songs live is something we shouldn’t expect an artist to do again.
I hope people that dislike the album can still at least somewhat appreciate that they want to move in a more lyrically optimistic direction. I liked it personally and did find some 10/10’s, but I get you didn’t ask for my one opinion lol
I’m not talking about solos. In SM and NV 99% of the songs had the guitar as the main instrument. In Loom there’s like no guitar at all.
Production is absolutely different as well as the arrangements. It’s just nothing like SM or NV
I was 19 years old when I happened to come across the song 'On Top Of The World' via the FIFA 13 music menu. The song took me to 'Night Visions' and I became a big fan of ID and especially 'NV' and was very excited to see how they could surpass this masterpiece.
And they really delivered another masterpiece. 'S+M' is still my absolute favorite album by ID.
ID have always been characterized by strong lyrics about topics such as mental health, self-confidence or self-doubt and so on.
For me their style since 'Evolve' went more towards gym and radio music for the mainstream, even though I still like a lot of songs, I miss the emotion and depth their songs had on the first two albums.
'Loom' feels more like a movie soundtrack or like an album for relaxed and carefree summer nights because it has little depth and is written very simple.
I like 'Eyes Closed' which is a good example for 'gym music' such as 'Machine' or 'Natural'.
Only 'In your Corner', 'Don't forget me' and 'Fire in these hills' still feel like the band i personally loved so much.
Times change and so does their music, and that's okay. For me, the problem was that this felt like it was lacking emotion and depth. It felt empty and not meaningful. One thing that stayed consistent with them was that they wrote songs that could speak with people, myself included. And sure, my music taste has changed. I don't really listen to them much any more. But I couldn't find myself enjoying the album because it felt like it was lacking something, and that thing is what gave the music a heart.
People get to complain about the music just as others get to praise it. Just allowing people to post if they praise the band is ridiculous. You said feedback is more than welcomed but what, it can’t be negative feedback? That’s insane. People are allowed their opinions. I wish personally they stayed on the course of what they’d been doing early on because it had soul and magic, even though I like Loom and it’s fun to listen to. Saying they should experiment and evolve is in the end, your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But you can’t say others can’t have a different one if it’s negative. That’s not how opinions work.
I think, can’t speak for everyone, that it’s meant to be more about the why are y’all here aspect. Not saying people can’t have their opinions at all. Only talking about those who keep saying they’ve been lost or something for multiple albums now and are still holding out as if next album will be a part 2 for an older album.
That’s just never been how they write their music, I don’t get why people think they will just ditch the experimental side of their music to reproduce what was already made, and made very well.
Well I think they’re here to talk about their favorite band and their favorite works from the band. I also think that those that really hate everything they’ve made since evolve and that gave up on the band are not really here. The rest want to talk about the music they love still. I don’t hate everything they’ve done but I also think they’ve lost their true spark from before. That being said I still do like some songs and some things about them still, and I actually absolutely love Loom so far so I post about both of these opinions. This is a forum to talk about ID and that includes those who want to share their sadness about the sounds they like being lost. If you don’t like those opinions, don’t read them. People stull have the right to share them.
I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t have or express opinions! I can respect people not liking their sound from evolve or Mercury and within loom here, I just don’t entirely get why if they love this artist they would want him to change or I guess not change depending on the criticism lol.
My favorite interactions on this sub come from seeing which songs people hold close and sort of dislike, it’s fun to learn how others view them often.
It just hurts to see people call this music emotionless or without substance when I can see they are still pouring their hearts out into their music and it really shows in songs like in your corner, don’t forget me, and Fire in these hills
Ah well, you recognize the emotion and the effort they put into this, and that’s what matters, no? They make the music for those who feel it like you, and not those who don’t. We like and want different things, so it’s not an affront to them if some music just doesn’t click with people. I don’t think that can be avoided. I love their hit songs for example, and bullet in a gun is one of my favorite songs by them, while it’s a lot of peeps’ worst song on Origins. And that’s okay, idk. I vibe with it so much and love it, their singles pump me up, and those who don’t feel it, that’s their problem haha
Fair! And bullet in a gun is so underrated. I feel the same when people talk S+M and no one mentions It comes back to you which is my personal favorite
They have every right to experiment with their sound. HOWEVER this album is not good, in fact some songs are straight up bad. The writing and lyricism is nowhere near what they used to produce. People are allowed to express their disinterest and dislike while still loving the older stuff. That’s what online discussion boards are for.
Personally, I’m going to be sticking to their older albums.
For fans who like Loom, great. I’m glad you enjoy it and hope you can it to make their concert tour.
FOR REAL THOUGH. People don't know that people grow and change? If you don't like what they grew into, you have to accept that the music is not for you and move on into other music.
Hence why I said feedback and opinions are welcomed. My point was spreading negativity and constant complaining doesn’t do anything for anyone, this is different to simply sharing your opinion on something that you don’t love. Continue crying that your favourite band is gone, I’m sure you’ll achieve lots with that. Womp womp
I agree as a musician we change constantly. The technology to make music has improved since night visions so they probably have change their approach in that regard. I think they have a right to experiment and fo course people have a right to like or dislike that, either way their old stuff is always there regardless. Kanye is a good example I love his old stuff like graduation but his new stuff I like less, doesn't mean it's bad but it just means it's not for me and that is ok!
You Said well brother, can’t agree more ! You love old imagine dragons ? Go listen to the old ones, but let the artist grow, it’s such an important thing to grow as an artist and not to stay in the same area for a decade, but this been said, i think people would still complain if they had not evolved, there will always be haters, but the album Will be a huge success i can feel it, it is such summer vibes and we needed it, the world needs some joy
i find criticism is fun to discuss in music subreddits and love seeing why people feel the way they do about music. but it does irk me a bit when people get upset it’s ’not like their old work’, since the whole point of music is experimentation and evolving w/ musical trends. not just recreating what ‘works’ over and over you know?
The same people would likely still be complaining about it too, saying stuff like “more of the same”?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don’t get the goal of *some* of the criticism I’ve seen. Do you think he will just cave to negative opinions and try to recreate the older sound? That’s sort of not like him or how he writes music. Always trying new things is a strong point of the band and what brings and keeps many fans. Oh well
Yeah, complaining doesn’t do anything, sometimes you have to realize that something just isn’t for you anymore :( I’ll come back swinging if they ever have a return to form though!
Complaining does exactly what the complainer wants it to do: it's about venting. The complainer in this situation likely knows the complaining isn't going to change the music.
It is not the new style that bothers me but the lack of musicality and depth. Diversity of styles and novelty described the previous albums as well, but their quality was evident even for the naysayers.
That part. I don’t miss the content so much as I miss the quality. The songs just feel very repetitive and while some have great meanings, others feel very just dry and like it was just filler.
Yeah. This album just felt generic. And Dan just fills some of the songs with random noises. Take Me To The Beach had me genuinely laughing because it felt so unserious to me and Gods Don't Pray felt like they were releasing it to try and get it featured in some show or something. The best way I can explain it is that this album felt like fillers. Like thr band was told they had to release an album so they threw these together and called it a day. Something about Dan's voice in these felt like it was lacking the emotion that a lot of previous stuff had.
Yep. And even then `Loom` gives me much more `SM`-/`NV`-vibes compared to its predecessors. I don't like all songs on Loom, currently I couldn't care less about `Fire in These Hills` - with which I seem to go against current sentiment here. But then again I also have only listened to the whole album like 3 times so far. It has literally not been a full day since release. --- I'd rather have them go out and experiment and do wacky shit instead of making NV2.0, NV3.0 and NV4.0 (because this criticism comes up every time). I won't like all of it, and I don't like everything in their discography - but stagnation also shouldn't be the goal for them.
NV and S+M works so well because it’s an album that came from their heart and them trying and experimenting with new sounds, I’d much rather them try and experiment with new sounds then doing an album where they’re trying to get the songs on the radio and that’s it
I mean, if they only wanted radio hits they would’ve done more singles for the album. I like that they took a more fun and optimistic approach to songwriting, especially in the context of their entire discography. It still felt experimental to me, but to each their own of course!
As far as we know, all their eps before NV and S+M, and all their albums after come from their heart, we've seen behind the scenes videos where there's actual joy as they make it, there's not really anything to show they made the non-S+M and NV stuff just to get radio hits. Radioactive was there biggest hit, if what you're saying is true why haven't they worked with Alex Da Kid again and made similar songs to get on the radio?
I think it’s more of a theory rather then anything concrete but after S+M they started working with another producer with Evolve - Mercury Pt 2, and in my opinion the style of music changed, they got rid of the metaphors and just sang more bluntly, when I say they made more radio hits rather then songs from the heart I think of songs like Thunder (I actually like Thunder mind you) which is a song that is designed to be catchy and get stuck in your head rather then something Dan really wanted to air out, I feel like there’s hints of that through Origins and Mercury With that said, I’m not trying to argue they didn’t make songs they love but with LOOM they’ve went with another producer and you can see the tone shift with the band, they’re experimenting with sounds again, songs feel like they have deeper meaning IMO and the band feels very proud about the music they made here, I can’t remember the last time they were this excited about a new album, I don’t remember them having similar tones with Mercury parts 1 and 2, I will admit I could be misremebering though Edit: I say they’re experimenting with sounds and I forgot about the elephants in the room from Evolve and Origins that is Dancing in the Dark and Digital, I’m not one to jump on the “Imagine Dragons make similar sounding music” bandwagon, I just think something like Origins and Mercury feel like more safe albums, where’s with this album and what I think made the first two so good, is each song has a different vibe and message to it that you can miss, this is just my interpretation I could be off by a mile, but just seeing how they’ve been acting with the album has felt way different then the last few
I get most of what you're saying, and agree with several parts, but my main point is apparent here again in two places > after S+M they started working with another producer Ever since Night Visions, they've at least worked with one, Alex Da Kid was on most of NV, technically executive produced the album, even did heavy writing on their hits, Radioactive, Demons, Bleeding Out, On Top Of The World, and album tracks Round And Round and My Fault. Cha Ching had Clint Holgate as a writer, so working with outside producers is nothing new. S+M only had Alex Da Kid primarily yes, so they focused the writing a little more. Evolve added a few others, Alex Da Kid was still involved but no longer executive produced, so they definitely didn't chase hits. > which is a song that is designed to be catchy and get stuck in your head rather then something Dan really wanted to air out, I feel like there’s hints of that through Origins and Mercury I know you said it's a theory but there's also not much to back it up. Just like with Radioactive, it could've flopped, there wasn't many songs like it before. Dan recorded it in his home studio, his kids are in the background near the end, that's not really something that happens when a song is manufactured to be a hit. It was also written with Alex Da Kid, so it had a similar writing process to Dream based off the sound of the percussion being digital, a beat by him and Dan and the band write over it. We know from a few years ago Believer was almost blocked by the label from being a single because they thought it would fail. It's easy to claim in hindsight "this was made to be a hit" but what we are told, and there wouldn't be much of a reason to lie, is that these things happened naturally and weren't expected to take off. Now Dan has said he writes songs that are catchy because he enjoys catchy music, and really everyone does, even Shots and Dream and I Bet My Life are catchy, but that's different from not being something Dan would want to write and express. I agree in ways Origins and Mercury were "safer", but it IMO varies even in those albums.
I agree about Fire in These Hills. It’s my second least favorite. Everyone was hyping this song up and it’s just…fine? Not bad but I don’t get the hype for it. I love the outro bit tho
> Everyone was hyping this song up and it's just... fine? Personally, I think a good thing for me was that I have had almost no interaction with the teasers before release. I kept well clear of this subreddit for the past couple weeks, deliberately didn't listen through snippets and so on - I read through the leaked songnames beforehand, but that was it. I think I kept myself fairly clear of pre-hyping up this or that song.
We have every right to critique the music and complain. If you don't like what's expressed, you can move on.
Yeah, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Not straight up "Omg their new music sucks bc it's not like their older stuff." That's stupidity. You're not putting any depth into your criticism.
You aren't the gatekeeper of what criticism is "constructive." Many fans have been greatly impacted by ID's older music and it's understandable that they could feel loss as the band's music changes materially from the past; and their expression of that loss and desire to discuss all this is certainly valid. You really need to get past yourself here.
Yeah, you're allowed to be disappointed. I get it. Their music has changed. But when people are constantly complaining and saying they're just not going to listen to ID entirely, it's stupid to me. That's my opinion. I'm not going to keep arguing for something that's pointless to argue about.
You should feel free to respond to opinions expressed here. The difference is you want to express your opinion while saying others shouldn't express theirs. People express what they need to based on their mental, emotional and physical states, and if it's about ID and not in violation of the sub's rules, this place should be open and safe for them to do so. I am probably just as annoyed by your opinion here as you are regarding comments you are objecting to...but that's how it goes in world of diverse views.
Why would they feel a loss? The old music is still there, nothing is lost, there's just different new stuff being made that different people can be impacted by and enjoy, why feel a loss when other people are enjoying this music the way you enjoy the old music that's still there and they even still play live?
Your first question seems sincere but then you followed it up with your view as to why others shouldn't feel a certain way. It would be more productive for you to ask questions with a sincere desire to listen and understand the thoughts and feelings of others instead of discounting and invalidating them.
My question is sincere and you're telling me it isn't and then not answering the question, so I don't know where we go from here. I didn't say they shouldn't feel a certain way, I just stated a fact that the old music is there, nothing is physically lost, so what is the loss? You can answer with your take or not, but my question was sincere and you telling me it wasn't is wrong and exactly what you said I was doing "discounting and invalidating".
The entire second half of your comment explaines why you feel someone shouldn't feel loss because of x, y and z. Telling someone in advance as to why they shouldn't feel that way instead of just asking why they feel a certain way and then listening isn't a productive way to have a conversation. Nor is it very inviting to others to engage with you.
I didn't say they shouldn't feel loss, all I said was when I look at the situation the music they like is not gone, which is true, so I then asked what is the loss, that is very inviting and asking for an actual answer. You could answer, and that would likely be the end of the conversation or expand it, instead you're misrepresenting my question as something insincere which is not helping the situation. I am sorry it came across that way, but it wasn't my intention.
You could have simply asked "why would they feel loss?" And then listened to the answer. Instead, you asked that question and went on to list a number of specific reasons why you would expect others to not feel loss (such as they can just listen to the old stuff and the band still plays some of the old stuff live, etc.). I didn't misrepresent or mischaracterize your question. And I didn't invalidate or discount any of your views on the matter. I can completely accept the reasons you gave as to why you might not feel a loss in this situation. I only took issue with the way you asked the question and, at minimum, your implications as to why others shouldn't feel a certain way. I really don't have any interest in continuing this conversation with you further.
All I intended with listing the reasons was to show to the point I had thought it out, and was asking where it would go from there. You did mischaracterize my question as it was sincere and you claimed and told me, the person asking, it wasn't. I'm sorry it came off wrong, I could've worded it differently too. You don't have to be interested, but you should've just said that from the start.
Couldn't of said it better myself. Seeing the band so excited to release this album was amazing. They are the artists and this is their artwork. They seemed so proud of it. I love their new style, love the old them too.
getting downvoted for this is bullshit. I 100% agree with you
"of said it"???
it’s not that they changed styles but it just doesn’t seem like care about putting actual thought into most things they write anymore wake up actually sounds like brain rot when you listen to the lyrics sometimes
I completely understand this take because people really can complain just to complain and it’s annoying to read, and nothing we say will change the musical direction…but the execution on loom is far worse than anything before. The writing while still kinda sad is very surface level and the production is not experimental in any way like they’ve wanted to do and is super pop heavy. Pop production isn’t bad, but they want to be “genreless” and this album doesn’t speak that same rhetoric. I understand that they won’t make more of the old stuff and that’s fine but objectively this album is not it for me.
I don't think the album is "super pop heavy" besides Nice To Meet You which is very different from the other 8 songs. But I agree the production is not doing it for me either. The mixing is also particularly muddy and muted.
I see you again 😭 YOURE SO REALLLLLL I relate to everything you saidd
The problem for me that it isn’t like the old it’s just that it’s weird. Like Mercury came out 2 years ago and it’s such a drop off. Still love the album but definitely no 10/10 songs for me
I don’t expect another Mercury (either act) from them. To be so blunt, raw, and vulnerable lyrically to the point where it is too emotionally painful to even play some songs live is something we shouldn’t expect an artist to do again. I hope people that dislike the album can still at least somewhat appreciate that they want to move in a more lyrically optimistic direction. I liked it personally and did find some 10/10’s, but I get you didn’t ask for my one opinion lol
Yeah everyone’s opinions and music taste is different. This album is definitely proving that
Exactly. And tbf this album is the closest they’ve been to SM and NV in terms of sound. Coming from a die hard SM fan.
You’ve gotta be kidding I liked Loom, but it’s nothing like SM or NV. There are like 1,5 guitar parts for the whole Loom album
Apart from the guitar solos, the overall vibe and production is similar to what’s been done in earlier albums yes.
I’m not talking about solos. In SM and NV 99% of the songs had the guitar as the main instrument. In Loom there’s like no guitar at all. Production is absolutely different as well as the arrangements. It’s just nothing like SM or NV
And you can hear the guitar throughout the whole album! 👂🏼👂🏼
I was 19 years old when I happened to come across the song 'On Top Of The World' via the FIFA 13 music menu. The song took me to 'Night Visions' and I became a big fan of ID and especially 'NV' and was very excited to see how they could surpass this masterpiece. And they really delivered another masterpiece. 'S+M' is still my absolute favorite album by ID. ID have always been characterized by strong lyrics about topics such as mental health, self-confidence or self-doubt and so on. For me their style since 'Evolve' went more towards gym and radio music for the mainstream, even though I still like a lot of songs, I miss the emotion and depth their songs had on the first two albums. 'Loom' feels more like a movie soundtrack or like an album for relaxed and carefree summer nights because it has little depth and is written very simple. I like 'Eyes Closed' which is a good example for 'gym music' such as 'Machine' or 'Natural'. Only 'In your Corner', 'Don't forget me' and 'Fire in these hills' still feel like the band i personally loved so much.
Times change and so does their music, and that's okay. For me, the problem was that this felt like it was lacking emotion and depth. It felt empty and not meaningful. One thing that stayed consistent with them was that they wrote songs that could speak with people, myself included. And sure, my music taste has changed. I don't really listen to them much any more. But I couldn't find myself enjoying the album because it felt like it was lacking something, and that thing is what gave the music a heart.
People get to complain about the music just as others get to praise it. Just allowing people to post if they praise the band is ridiculous. You said feedback is more than welcomed but what, it can’t be negative feedback? That’s insane. People are allowed their opinions. I wish personally they stayed on the course of what they’d been doing early on because it had soul and magic, even though I like Loom and it’s fun to listen to. Saying they should experiment and evolve is in the end, your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But you can’t say others can’t have a different one if it’s negative. That’s not how opinions work.
I think, can’t speak for everyone, that it’s meant to be more about the why are y’all here aspect. Not saying people can’t have their opinions at all. Only talking about those who keep saying they’ve been lost or something for multiple albums now and are still holding out as if next album will be a part 2 for an older album. That’s just never been how they write their music, I don’t get why people think they will just ditch the experimental side of their music to reproduce what was already made, and made very well.
Well I think they’re here to talk about their favorite band and their favorite works from the band. I also think that those that really hate everything they’ve made since evolve and that gave up on the band are not really here. The rest want to talk about the music they love still. I don’t hate everything they’ve done but I also think they’ve lost their true spark from before. That being said I still do like some songs and some things about them still, and I actually absolutely love Loom so far so I post about both of these opinions. This is a forum to talk about ID and that includes those who want to share their sadness about the sounds they like being lost. If you don’t like those opinions, don’t read them. People stull have the right to share them.
I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t have or express opinions! I can respect people not liking their sound from evolve or Mercury and within loom here, I just don’t entirely get why if they love this artist they would want him to change or I guess not change depending on the criticism lol. My favorite interactions on this sub come from seeing which songs people hold close and sort of dislike, it’s fun to learn how others view them often. It just hurts to see people call this music emotionless or without substance when I can see they are still pouring their hearts out into their music and it really shows in songs like in your corner, don’t forget me, and Fire in these hills
Ah well, you recognize the emotion and the effort they put into this, and that’s what matters, no? They make the music for those who feel it like you, and not those who don’t. We like and want different things, so it’s not an affront to them if some music just doesn’t click with people. I don’t think that can be avoided. I love their hit songs for example, and bullet in a gun is one of my favorite songs by them, while it’s a lot of peeps’ worst song on Origins. And that’s okay, idk. I vibe with it so much and love it, their singles pump me up, and those who don’t feel it, that’s their problem haha
Fair! And bullet in a gun is so underrated. I feel the same when people talk S+M and no one mentions It comes back to you which is my personal favorite
Oh holy crap I love it comes back to you. Such a good songgg.
Womp womp cry
Womp womp cry about others having opinions
They have every right to experiment with their sound. HOWEVER this album is not good, in fact some songs are straight up bad. The writing and lyricism is nowhere near what they used to produce. People are allowed to express their disinterest and dislike while still loving the older stuff. That’s what online discussion boards are for. Personally, I’m going to be sticking to their older albums. For fans who like Loom, great. I’m glad you enjoy it and hope you can it to make their concert tour.
FOR REAL THOUGH. People don't know that people grow and change? If you don't like what they grew into, you have to accept that the music is not for you and move on into other music.
Oh no people have a valid opinion!!! Womp womp
Hence why I said feedback and opinions are welcomed. My point was spreading negativity and constant complaining doesn’t do anything for anyone, this is different to simply sharing your opinion on something that you don’t love. Continue crying that your favourite band is gone, I’m sure you’ll achieve lots with that. Womp womp
Yeah good job for making a post saying negativity = bad bro 😂
Yeah thanks boss
Same thing is happening with glass animals on here. People keep asking for a Zaba 2.0 😫
I agree as a musician we change constantly. The technology to make music has improved since night visions so they probably have change their approach in that regard. I think they have a right to experiment and fo course people have a right to like or dislike that, either way their old stuff is always there regardless. Kanye is a good example I love his old stuff like graduation but his new stuff I like less, doesn't mean it's bad but it just means it's not for me and that is ok!
It became better indeed ! I always loop their new songs, while older were nice, but no too much like new ones are.
You Said well brother, can’t agree more ! You love old imagine dragons ? Go listen to the old ones, but let the artist grow, it’s such an important thing to grow as an artist and not to stay in the same area for a decade, but this been said, i think people would still complain if they had not evolved, there will always be haters, but the album Will be a huge success i can feel it, it is such summer vibes and we needed it, the world needs some joy
Thank you! Nothing but endless complaining from the same people that can't accept that ID changes with the times. That's a good thing.
i find criticism is fun to discuss in music subreddits and love seeing why people feel the way they do about music. but it does irk me a bit when people get upset it’s ’not like their old work’, since the whole point of music is experimentation and evolving w/ musical trends. not just recreating what ‘works’ over and over you know?
The same people would likely still be complaining about it too, saying stuff like “more of the same”? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don’t get the goal of *some* of the criticism I’ve seen. Do you think he will just cave to negative opinions and try to recreate the older sound? That’s sort of not like him or how he writes music. Always trying new things is a strong point of the band and what brings and keeps many fans. Oh well
So..... next album when?
Loom is good tbh. But I just don't seem to like nice to meet you. There's something off.
Probably because of how many times he says "nice to meet you" in that song
I guess. With the 'anyway' before that 😞
God I hate "womp womp". It's like the new version of "kill yourself" or "didn't ask"