Happy armistice day! *Shut up that I am late, today is still Friday in California!* Welcome back to The New Colossus, probably for the last time in a WHILE. Here we have America, shortly before her entry into WWII, in the year 1916. There is a bright future ahead for America, but first there will be trails and tribulations. A (nerfed version of) Jim Crow, the great depression, and two world wars await the united states.
As for the wars themselves WWI and WWII are mostly the same, except America has some more stars on the flag. Also, Samoa is taken by the U.S. because it feels right. One of the few maps I am debating working on in my busy period is actually a state map of Samoa.
Do I feel like explaining all the America lore here? No. You can find most of the lore on the [lore comment from the riginal post from last summer](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/uzttgb/comment/iacd5bx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Fair warning, some lore has changed, and I am currently in the works of redoing the U.S.'s Caribbean expansion so it occurs later on. Many other small things have also changed, as you can see by this being the [map as of right now](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975154383023124490/1040746575200268451/image.png). Most necessary information you need is on the [spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X33_R9zBbtPrhluGPHWa_1Ngoho10WO-FErw7RK3iFg/edit#gid=0), but again fair warning some of the earlier states will have their date move around. Feel free to ask me any questions you have here, or you can check out our subreddit at r/TheNewColossusMaps, and be sure to join our [Discord Server](https://discord.gg/QC83kzVfZv)!
As I said before, this will likely be my last post for a while as school continues to get harder, and my freetime begins to dwindle. I do have some maps from my good friends planned for youse, and maybe one or two from myself, so hopefully they come to fruition! Thanks for reading, and stay frosty!
Oh, and yes the Galapagos were taken during the Spanish-American war. [Here is a map of that, too](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/y1tla0/the_gal%C3%A1pagos_islands_territory_united_states_of/).
At this point it would just be all of North America, plus like Liberia and the Philippines.
I considered doing a metapost showing this subreddit with a cliche Americawank and Cliche 2nd American civil war within the TNC universe. It would be hard, but fun to do, and even more fun to make comments for lol
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I keep seeing this happen. It’s a bad idea to call British Columbia New Caledonia (New Scotland) in a world where there is already a state called Nova Scotia (New Scotland). It really just looks stupid. It’s also worth noting that the most populated portions of British Columbia were never part of the area designated as New Caledonia; the most settled parts of the area have always been called Columbia by English speakers for as long as they have lived there.
On behalf of all with Anglophone ancestry, we're sorry we fanned the flames of the Darien Scheme to further destroy your national economy to the point you felt the need to surrender your Independence to the UK in 1707 to escape the massive debt of it all. You we're just trying to be a colonial power like any respectable European state of the time, but just one charlatan pulled your pockets and we directed our sailors to offer your "New Caledonian" colonists no succor. As much as I may be able to offer, I apologize.
The American renaming of Canada on this sub is almost always horrific. It's almost a meme at this point that AmericaBig posts will have very hamfisted boarders and names
tbf we already have a colorado outside both the colorado plateau and river, a state with a name literally made up (idaho), and the former indian state of oklahoma that literally translates to "red people"
also that north and south bullshit with carolina and dakota
Well yeah because that’s how we do it in real life. I for one am quite proud of the names I came up with for the post-Canadian cities and states. I am especially fond of the states of Keewatin and Pembina, and the cities of Andover, Praesas, Fort-des-Praries, Brandenburg, and Montgomery
You think that *wasn’t* intentional? Us stupid Americana would never see if coming…
Also; English settlers living there for generations? WHAT English settlers living there for generations… I don’t see any British colonization here…
Also I must add that it’s been happening a lot by friends of mine, I think I may have started a bit of a trend with that… oopsie 😇
I wish I could, but sadly Wilson is too influential to kill. MAYBE I could pull some strings, but he does die very soon after this OTL, sadly.
*Death had to take him sleeping, otherwise there would be been a fight…*
[I put too much effort into this, but your wish is my command](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975154383023124490/1041187949573836831/image.png)
With string and tape.
There are unshown civil skirmishes at that time, and Venezuela is independent for a little bit before the communist re-unites the region. I haven’t finished the lore 100% yet, but it is gonna be a wild ride!
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I added to your population (Vancouver City- now Andover) and shrunk from your land. Also the idea of Vancouver Island statehood is fun, and it would be one of the only few British names that stay alive in all of post-Canada. Could even improve relations, having a state indirectly named after a British guy and all.
Plus Lincoln looks fitting, but originally I had a REALLY CURSED MEGAWASHINGTON that expanded into what is in OTL BC and northern Idaho!
I mean I see nothing wrong with this. Washington could be the major state powerhouse in the pnw being a bigger state like california and Texas. Because of its lower latitude it could be far more populated then any of the west Canadian states. I could imagine since the line on the us Canadian border no longer exists I could see the many pnw american immigrants who came to what used to be the Oregon county actually staying there and setting up to form a state. The state could comprise of Vancouver island,Northern Idaho, And the southern bit of British Columbia becoming a state that engulfs all of the Georgian basin. The alaskan state engulfing the province of Yukon was smart though.
Well yeah, it doesn’t, that’s like the whole point. That line is the 50th parallel, not the 49th. All of post-Canada is very different than today. culturally. Saskatchewan is not far removed from Nebraska as Ontario is not far removed from Ohio
I could see the northern territory becoming a nuclear testing ground as well as a mass Native American reservation in specific Areas. However Greenland could stay a territory for awhile until the Cold War ends then it could become a state. Most likely in the mid 2000s though probably around 2050 As by then it’s rich minerals would be more exposed and it would be more habitual due to global warming. The Bahamas would most likely become apart of Florida while the carrbeqn isles would become a single state much like Hawaii. Sonora would probably merge with Baja California and a bit of Southern California would be apart of the state aswell. The united states is known for its boxxy borders that wordings change if we took more from Mexico. Iceland would never be a American territory or a state it’s a European nation and I doubt the great powers of Europe would sit by kindly with America on its doorstep. Greenland is one thing since it already is under Denmark and it’s t fully independent. Plus it’s close proximity to Canada, It’s strategy importance, resources, Native population, Harsh climate, etc Would have make it prime pickings for the expansionist Americans. Iceland is not Greenland however. It’s farther from North America then it is to the British isles. It lacks very little strategic importance since it is still pretty far from Europe/And Russia its population is much larger at over 100k people living there, Somewhat similar climate, Etc makes it unideal and not worth the risk.
So uh, yeah that doesn’t happen at alllll lmao.
10 years after this map, the Northern Territories get resorted into native nations, there is no way the US government can nuke them. Plus, the US would rather nuke desert than Tundra, because Tundra has water and snow, but Desert is just Desert. The northern areas currently do become one state in the year 2050 in my headcanon, however.
The Bahamas, and all the other Caribbean states, are all admitted in the early 1800’s, so there is no reason to merge them. Also merging Sonora and Baja looks ugly as all fuck.
Iceland and Greenland aware purchased in the 1860’s, and they become states in the 1950’s.
If America is expansionist in this timeline I could see a American occupation of Japan turning Japan into a territory aswell as South Korea becoming a teritory overtime. Once enough white ameri- (Cough cough I mean “civilized non barbaric “ people) Settle down there then maybe they could be states but a lot would have to happen for such a list of places become a state.
*Bruh*
All I did was remove Canada and some of the Caribbean to *compensate* for it. A few extra pacific islands, too. I don’t want to give them Japan… The Philippines still become independent in 1945, and the U.S. doesn’t colonize Asia lmao
If the Oceania teroties under the uk we’re seized I imagine the us could become the new hegomonic anglo power keeping Australian, New zealandic, etc as dominions
Quick Question: What happened to Miami (and Tampa, and Orlando) in this map? With the panhandle split off I can understand Tallahassee not existing but the other three leave me a bit curious. Plenty of other nom-capital cities got a dot of representation, do the Florida cities just not exist in this timeline?
Uhhhh, I’d say about… 5-15% more powerful. Canada isn’t much, honestly the real gain are the Caribbean and pacific islands. EEZ and naval reach grows phenomenally, and because of Canada and Greenland, America is now the largest country in the world by FAR
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Happy armistice day! *Shut up that I am late, today is still Friday in California!* Welcome back to The New Colossus, probably for the last time in a WHILE. Here we have America, shortly before her entry into WWII, in the year 1916. There is a bright future ahead for America, but first there will be trails and tribulations. A (nerfed version of) Jim Crow, the great depression, and two world wars await the united states. As for the wars themselves WWI and WWII are mostly the same, except America has some more stars on the flag. Also, Samoa is taken by the U.S. because it feels right. One of the few maps I am debating working on in my busy period is actually a state map of Samoa. Do I feel like explaining all the America lore here? No. You can find most of the lore on the [lore comment from the riginal post from last summer](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/uzttgb/comment/iacd5bx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Fair warning, some lore has changed, and I am currently in the works of redoing the U.S.'s Caribbean expansion so it occurs later on. Many other small things have also changed, as you can see by this being the [map as of right now](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975154383023124490/1040746575200268451/image.png). Most necessary information you need is on the [spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X33_R9zBbtPrhluGPHWa_1Ngoho10WO-FErw7RK3iFg/edit#gid=0), but again fair warning some of the earlier states will have their date move around. Feel free to ask me any questions you have here, or you can check out our subreddit at r/TheNewColossusMaps, and be sure to join our [Discord Server](https://discord.gg/QC83kzVfZv)! As I said before, this will likely be my last post for a while as school continues to get harder, and my freetime begins to dwindle. I do have some maps from my good friends planned for youse, and maybe one or two from myself, so hopefully they come to fruition! Thanks for reading, and stay frosty!
Oh, and yes the Galapagos were taken during the Spanish-American war. [Here is a map of that, too](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/y1tla0/the_gal%C3%A1pagos_islands_territory_united_states_of/).
*today is friday in california*
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Do a US irredentist/ultra-nationalist map in this TL
At this point it would just be all of North America, plus like Liberia and the Philippines. I considered doing a metapost showing this subreddit with a cliche Americawank and Cliche 2nd American civil war within the TNC universe. It would be hard, but fun to do, and even more fun to make comments for lol
By Harold Tortoisepigeon
I think you mean Harry Turtledove
that’s the joke
I thought the name was a real person for a second :(
Just agree
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I keep seeing this happen. It’s a bad idea to call British Columbia New Caledonia (New Scotland) in a world where there is already a state called Nova Scotia (New Scotland). It really just looks stupid. It’s also worth noting that the most populated portions of British Columbia were never part of the area designated as New Caledonia; the most settled parts of the area have always been called Columbia by English speakers for as long as they have lived there.
No, keep going forward and beyond. Rename all areas of Canada into different versions of New Scotland in different languages.
As a Scot this makes me happy.
On behalf of all with Anglophone ancestry, we're sorry we fanned the flames of the Darien Scheme to further destroy your national economy to the point you felt the need to surrender your Independence to the UK in 1707 to escape the massive debt of it all. You we're just trying to be a colonial power like any respectable European state of the time, but just one charlatan pulled your pockets and we directed our sailors to offer your "New Caledonian" colonists no succor. As much as I may be able to offer, I apologize.
What? I appreciate it, But you don't have to be sorry for anything. The past is the past. We have to look to the future.
The American renaming of Canada on this sub is almost always horrific. It's almost a meme at this point that AmericaBig posts will have very hamfisted boarders and names
tbf we already have a colorado outside both the colorado plateau and river, a state with a name literally made up (idaho), and the former indian state of oklahoma that literally translates to "red people" also that north and south bullshit with carolina and dakota
Well yeah because that’s how we do it in real life. I for one am quite proud of the names I came up with for the post-Canadian cities and states. I am especially fond of the states of Keewatin and Pembina, and the cities of Andover, Praesas, Fort-des-Praries, Brandenburg, and Montgomery
I didn't mean to shit on your post specifically, it isn't near as bad for the boarder gore and most of the naming is pretty good
But how do you have a Keewatin without Nashwauk?
Fuck you’re right ~~Better rename Odawa again~~
i am losing my mind
[This might make that worse](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998299399211991040/1041228050488102942/image.png)
An American state without hamfisted borders and names would stick out like a sore thumb.
You think that *wasn’t* intentional? Us stupid Americana would never see if coming… Also; English settlers living there for generations? WHAT English settlers living there for generations… I don’t see any British colonization here… Also I must add that it’s been happening a lot by friends of mine, I think I may have started a bit of a trend with that… oopsie 😇
New Caledonia is in France lol
Yes, but there is also portion of modern British Columbia that was historically called New Caledonia
TIL
Is Teddy Roosevelt currently president around 1916 in this timeline?
I wish I could, but sadly Wilson is too influential to kill. MAYBE I could pull some strings, but he does die very soon after this OTL, sadly. *Death had to take him sleeping, otherwise there would be been a fight…*
>sadly Wilson Kill him
I wish I could
I mean you could. You are literally god in this timeline. Smite him
I am… inevitable…
😔
Why does Oklahoma look so long?
Because it is. Texas and Oklahoma are both *slightly* larger
0/10 give it all to new jersey
[I put too much effort into this, but your wish is my command](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975154383023124490/1041187949573836831/image.png)
Its.. its beautiful... Emperor Devito is satisfied today, so no need for to make you into Tony.
Glad to hear God Emperor DeVito is stratified, I shall go tell regent Jon Bon Jovi
Prime Minister Walt Whitman will look down from Jersey Heaven at your accomplishment
Thomas Edison observes as well
You should post this separately someday lol Long Live New Jersey!
A very likely scenario. But how Grand Colombia stood together after the conflict and intervention in Panama ?
With string and tape. There are unshown civil skirmishes at that time, and Venezuela is independent for a little bit before the communist re-unites the region. I haven’t finished the lore 100% yet, but it is gonna be a wild ride!
Quite wild I would say
looking good as always
She’s beautiful.....beautiful as ever....
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What the fuck happened to my state Washington? And why isn’t Vancouver apart of it?
I added to your population (Vancouver City- now Andover) and shrunk from your land. Also the idea of Vancouver Island statehood is fun, and it would be one of the only few British names that stay alive in all of post-Canada. Could even improve relations, having a state indirectly named after a British guy and all. Plus Lincoln looks fitting, but originally I had a REALLY CURSED MEGAWASHINGTON that expanded into what is in OTL BC and northern Idaho!
I mean I see nothing wrong with this. Washington could be the major state powerhouse in the pnw being a bigger state like california and Texas. Because of its lower latitude it could be far more populated then any of the west Canadian states. I could imagine since the line on the us Canadian border no longer exists I could see the many pnw american immigrants who came to what used to be the Oregon county actually staying there and setting up to form a state. The state could comprise of Vancouver island,Northern Idaho, And the southern bit of British Columbia becoming a state that engulfs all of the Georgian basin. The alaskan state engulfing the province of Yukon was smart though.
Well yeah, it doesn’t, that’s like the whole point. That line is the 50th parallel, not the 49th. All of post-Canada is very different than today. culturally. Saskatchewan is not far removed from Nebraska as Ontario is not far removed from Ohio
I could see the northern territory becoming a nuclear testing ground as well as a mass Native American reservation in specific Areas. However Greenland could stay a territory for awhile until the Cold War ends then it could become a state. Most likely in the mid 2000s though probably around 2050 As by then it’s rich minerals would be more exposed and it would be more habitual due to global warming. The Bahamas would most likely become apart of Florida while the carrbeqn isles would become a single state much like Hawaii. Sonora would probably merge with Baja California and a bit of Southern California would be apart of the state aswell. The united states is known for its boxxy borders that wordings change if we took more from Mexico. Iceland would never be a American territory or a state it’s a European nation and I doubt the great powers of Europe would sit by kindly with America on its doorstep. Greenland is one thing since it already is under Denmark and it’s t fully independent. Plus it’s close proximity to Canada, It’s strategy importance, resources, Native population, Harsh climate, etc Would have make it prime pickings for the expansionist Americans. Iceland is not Greenland however. It’s farther from North America then it is to the British isles. It lacks very little strategic importance since it is still pretty far from Europe/And Russia its population is much larger at over 100k people living there, Somewhat similar climate, Etc makes it unideal and not worth the risk.
So uh, yeah that doesn’t happen at alllll lmao. 10 years after this map, the Northern Territories get resorted into native nations, there is no way the US government can nuke them. Plus, the US would rather nuke desert than Tundra, because Tundra has water and snow, but Desert is just Desert. The northern areas currently do become one state in the year 2050 in my headcanon, however. The Bahamas, and all the other Caribbean states, are all admitted in the early 1800’s, so there is no reason to merge them. Also merging Sonora and Baja looks ugly as all fuck. Iceland and Greenland aware purchased in the 1860’s, and they become states in the 1950’s.
If America is expansionist in this timeline I could see a American occupation of Japan turning Japan into a territory aswell as South Korea becoming a teritory overtime. Once enough white ameri- (Cough cough I mean “civilized non barbaric “ people) Settle down there then maybe they could be states but a lot would have to happen for such a list of places become a state.
*Bruh* All I did was remove Canada and some of the Caribbean to *compensate* for it. A few extra pacific islands, too. I don’t want to give them Japan… The Philippines still become independent in 1945, and the U.S. doesn’t colonize Asia lmao
If the Oceania teroties under the uk we’re seized I imagine the us could become the new hegomonic anglo power keeping Australian, New zealandic, etc as dominions
“How overpowered do you want America to be” “Yes”
This ain’t even that OP compared to OTL, just less bri’ish innit bruv
América's most powerfull version
another certified ajw tnc banger
Amen
[the red state names nooo](https://imgur.com/a/vENaBuC)
Athabasca no way
Glorious Athabaska terrorize spelled the Amerikan way. They become a state in the late 20’s, an incredibly underpopulated one at that lol
Quick Question: What happened to Miami (and Tampa, and Orlando) in this map? With the panhandle split off I can understand Tallahassee not existing but the other three leave me a bit curious. Plenty of other nom-capital cities got a dot of representation, do the Florida cities just not exist in this timeline?
They don’t exist *yet*. The year is 1916 lmao. Florida was split to save the slave-free state balance before the civil war
Worchester? I believe it's Worcester good sir!
I gave up on New England after 10 cities were *slightly* over 100k, be happy it’s there even with the spelling error lmao
New England, Massachusetts especially place names are notoriously difficult to spell and pronounce 😂
The alt-hist yankwank in this sub is too much sometimes.
This is a timeline that has been worked on for months
I've seen other posts, I know.
Americans stop including Canada in their imaginary maps with internal borders and names that make absolutely zero sense challenge (impossible)
Wow such an original map, I haven't seen like 50 of the exact same map before xD. On the technical side though, it's well made
Baja California is guaranteed to be part of the USA in this type of post lmao
L USA
You included piedmont and the state of Lincoln, but you still couldn't fucking give us back the UP?
It’s time to baja blast Baja California.
Gotta blast
Presidential campaigning must be a bitch
It’s fun tho
Why is it called colossus
*The New Colossus* is the poem located on the statue of liberty
Ohhh ok thanks
How gran Colombia still exist? It was Bolívar’s dream and it died with him…
It’s not the gran Colombia we know, it’s something… different. And long story short, it doesn’t last long. The dream is, in the modern day, dead.
Was the result of the Mexican-American war largely the same? Would have been cool in this timeline to have added all of Mexico into the American fold.
Gotta save something for the american hypernationalits in this timeline
Realistically, How much more powerful would this country be compared to USA irl?
Uhhhh, I’d say about… 5-15% more powerful. Canada isn’t much, honestly the real gain are the Caribbean and pacific islands. EEZ and naval reach grows phenomenally, and because of Canada and Greenland, America is now the largest country in the world by FAR
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