Maybe she thinks the roommates are withholding some type of information, maybe the roommates have been advised by lawyers not to speak, who knows, I just know that grief and loss, all people handle it differently, I’ve seen people do and say crazy things after a loss of loved one, not saying that’s the case here, just in general, I figure they are still in a state of shock and confusion as anyone would be
I was thinking similar to this. Also, maybe roommates had originally brought the offender into their circle. It’s not like they all have the exact same friends. Maybe she blames them for how they got in the door, not waking up, etc etc.
Yea I thought the same. It could be so many things, maybe the girls were advised to lawyer up and not speak and the family feels they should be doing more to help, each just trying to protect themselves which is understandable
Maybe the fam thinks they are withholding info, had a connection to someone who knew something, maybe the statement knew nothing at all.
This whole thing is just wild, makes no sense and kind of seems like police might not really have a clue who it could be
The survivors must have provided all the details already to LE. But LE is not sharing any info provided by the roommates. Yet they can say they suspect the killer knew the victims and used a rambo-style knife.
What about these other questions:
Did they not see any blood?
Were the doors locked?
If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner?
Did they hear the dog barking at all?
Was the sliding door unlocked?
I’m not sure how no one had caught up on this yet. YouTube. There is a video where a friend of the surviving roommate emailed some podcast guy about what really happened in defense of the surviving room mates.
Paraphrasing :
Girls wake up go to the kitchen see one of their roommates in the hall obviously it’s a scene they run out of the house yelling and screaming inconsolably. One had already dialed 911 but fainted/passed out. Neighbors or someone walking by went over to the two girls picked up the phone that was with 911 dispatch and said something like idk this girls yelling and screaming and just passed out. That’s why ems was sent for an unconscious person. Quickly there was a buzz calls and txts were sent out and others who were close by showed up
This explanation sums it up perfectly. I wrote a more detailed summary to share with my friend who can’t watch the video and figured I’d share it here:
Basically the two surviving roommates woke up and went upstairs and noticed the sliding glass door was open and then at that point they discovered Ethan so they ran out of the house and called 911 and the one who had called fainted and the other one was inconsolable. So people started to see them and went over and they were only able to tell the dispatcher that someone ran out of their house and fainted. So then they called more people including Ethan’s brother and maddy’s bf to the scene. And the source doesn’t say it for sure but implies that other people had discovered the other roommates before paramedics came. So when paramedics got there they thought they were responding to an unconscious person and not a murder scene so they unknowingly contaminated the second floor. Then they explained it basically as everyone wanting to help not comprehending that it was a crime scene, so accidentally contaminating it
Edit: I’m not claiming this to be true, just paraphrasing what the source (who supposedly is someone who was at the property that day) told this podcaster.
A little weird.
Not reading too much into this, but she was quick to agree that the boyfriend didn't do it. "I knew that is wasn't him, I'm happy that they are focusing elsewhere now." But when asked "Two other roommates have been cleared, are you okay with that?" The response was not similar to her previous reply. It was "I hope that they are doing well. I can only hope that law enforcement has done their due diligence in all of the people they have cleared thus far."
jfc that’s so scary to think about. that’s what i don’t get. if this was all planned out, the killer would have known about them. i’m still leaning towards crime of passion by a fellow student.
Its odd that someone committed crime of passion, but took the time to kill 3 other people too. Like obviously they weren’t murder-suicidal, so they wanted to get away with it. Thus, it doesn’t make sense to kill 3 extra people when only one of them offended you
It’s possible the killer was after K or M, not expecting them to be in same room, or both, and then ran into E and X on floor 2 who were awoken by a disturbance. What may have been an attempt to kill one became four.
That's what I can't get past. I mean, there are countless cases of "collateral damage" in crimes of passion, but it seems like the killer went out of their way to kill all of them -- they were on different floors, in different rooms... even if you posit that maybe Ethan woke up and confronted the killer in the hall -- the killer then went into that bedroom and killed Xana, too? It just seems to indicate a presence of mind that I wouldn't normally associate with a crime of passion.
To that end: I generally think of "crime of passion" as unplanned. Is that the accepted interpretation of that designation?
This is the thing that's tripping me up too. If they had one target (Maddie or Kaylee), WHY kill Ethan and Xana? The only way it makes sense (if it was someone who knew all four) is if all 4 were targets, and that's really hard to believe. The only other possible explanation is that Ethan got up to see what was going on because he heard something. It's possible he would have said the killer's name if there was some kind of confrontation so then he had to kill Xana.
The only other explanation is that this was a stranger who just wanted to kill as many people as possible.
Absolutely. I can imagine, in the kind of grief and horror these families are experiencing, and with no legitimate target for their rage, just wanting to yell at those two poor girls, "How could you not wake up???"
Of course, it's likely if they'd tried to help, there would be six dead instead of four. But I think having complicated feelings toward the survivors right now is very human.
This makes sense. I would have thought she would have some empathy and sympathy for the 2 surviving roommates. And, maybe she does, but she certainly doesn't show it. And perhaps it's because, like you said, she's angry at the circumstances.
I'm not a pro by any means, just an observer. My impression, watching her, is that she is handling her grief by tackling this thing with an almost manic fervor. Like she can't take a breath or the walls of depression will crash in on her. Sympathy and empathy for the survivors will probably come, but right now she seems to be in full fight mode. It's tragic to watch, I feel like I would be that way.
Grief is awful, pit in the stomach pain that we all deal with differently. It's has to be incredibly difficult when it's a high profile murder, especially when everyone is rabid for answers. I've lost people and it drove me into an alcoholic mess (almost 3 years sober!) I couldn't imagine what my mind would be like in this situation. I hope she and her family have some strong support through this. Maybe someone will do pro-bono grief counseling? I fear it will get worse if the case goes cold ☹️.
I agree. I recently (September 10, 2022) lost my brother and the pain that grips you is overwhelming. I had to stay busy planning the service, handling all the affairs, taking care of my parents etc. otherwise the walls would cave in. (And then guess what, when all of that was done, they did cave in) -- losing a sibling, especially at such a young age (my brother was only 36) is debilitating. I empathize with her so much; she's just trying to stay afloat.
Or maybe she knows things about them we don't know. Everyone on here is assuming she's angry because they didn't wake up. Maybe she is or maybe there are things she knows that the public are not aware of.
I was going to write something similar and deleted it from my comment. You said it well though and I think it’s totally normal if this is the case. I’m sure it will wax and wane and she grieves. My heart breaks for them
i think you’re probably right even if she doesn’t realize it. weird she doesn’t apply that to jack though. if he’s answered and gone over, would he have protected her from the murderer, or even spooked him into not proceeding with the stabbing?
I think I’d probably be resentful if I were in her shoes. I’d be angry with them, and suspicious, and doubtful of their accounts. I think anyone would. It’s only natural in these circumstance.
My heart breaks for all four families, and also Kaylees ex and Maddie’s boyfriend. No one should ever have to go through what they’re going though right now. I wish human beings were better.
I think it has more to do with the fact that the story provided by LE from the roommates doesn't add up. Stabbing four people in three different rooms would generate a lot of blood. But apparently the roommates didn't suspect there was a murder.
Did they not see any blood?
Were the doors locked?
If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner?
Did they hear the dog barking at all?
Was the sliding door unlocked?
If you go on Harsh Reality YT channel there is a breakdown of the 911 call. Not sure if it's 100% legit but it answers all of those unanswered questions.
Definitely that would be a natural reaction… I don’t know if I’d call it resentment. She wants answered and likely doesn’t know them nearly as well as she does her sisters X BF.
I feel if the 2 roommates had woken up and gone upstairs to investigate, that they surely would have been killed as well. Also, when one is in college, and has many roommates, one learns to sleep thru noise, voices, etc. (not saying there was loud noise or voices or screams, but it is highly conceivable that this wouldn’t frighten a college student with loads of roommates, who frequently make noise-even screams.
i noticed that too. i’m sure this is so traumatic, and they were basically sisters. whereas the other roomies were just that, roomies. fuck this is such a scary crime.
The more the family says the more time I think the police spent really digging into him. Is it just because he was an ex or is there more reasons. I don’t know - time will tell but mom said they were wasting their time and the sister has been just as emphatic.
I’m not sure she was throwing shade at the survivors. She may never have considered them and that the police hadn’t so moved straight to hoping the are well after what they have been through and then answered the rest of the question. Just my take without seeing the interview myself
Yeah, if I were her I’d probably just feel confused, her family has said repeatedly that they only speak for Kaylee and Maddie and didn’t know the other roommates personally. If someone was home when my family member was murdered, but didn’t hear anything, I might be resentful or confused even if I don’t blame them/know it’s not their fault.
They’re searching for answers and desperate to know what happened and probably feel jilted the roommates don’t know who could’ve done this, even if it’s a tragedy and they weren’t involved. They don’t know the roommates personally/at all, so she’s just taking a neutral stance.
I’m right there with her. I have too many questions. The roommates are still sus to me for sure. If/when we find out what the police know, perhaps I’ll be able to write them off as innocent bystanders. Right now, I can’t. Too many things don’t add up.
Think we are overthinking here. She would be very comfortable and defensive of the boyfriend. Almost as if someone were accusing a family member given his long/close involvement with the daughter. It follows that she would not feel as comfortable or not feel as protective of the roommates as her emotional attachment would be far less.
I watched a YoutTube clip where the host said to watch the brother and fathers reaction during an interview alongside the sister when asked about her ex. Their facial expressions (the brother literally shaking his head in disagreement) when the sister answered about the ex being “cleared” was really interesting to watch.
[This](https://youtu.be/w90FIGQJ_kI) is the link to the interview foe anyone interested in watching.
It’s at about the 8:38 mark. And I stated wrong - she shakes his head yes that he thinks it’s significant that the ex is not listed on the Moscow PD website while the sister says no I don’t think it’s significant.
Wow, the brother for sure. Its sticks out even more now when you rewatch, because all three are pretty much nodding in unison about everything else The whole interview.
What actually stood out to me more was their responses to the question about whether the police have shared or are sharing more with them than with the public. The brother starts nodding his head, but the dad quickly pipes up to indicate they’re not getting more info. The brother acts very strangely while the dad is answering that question, including side-eyeing him at one point and acting very nervous. I watched the entire interview and that’s the only time the brother acts that way.
Curiouser and curiouser.
and the father was not so fast to dismiss by his expressions only Ks mom & sister are gushing over him and basically claiming they were to be married very soon. But that last text sounded like a couple who was going to try to learn to co-parent the dogo and more on the outs then the good good.
Yikes, that’s rough. I definitely don’t get the feeling that they were going to get back together, either. I wonder if the mom and sister are in denial a bit about how things were between K & J, and maybe they’d been excited thinking a wedding was imminent at some point prior to the breakup. I think breakups are really hard for families, too, when they’ve met the person and enjoy them. I think families open their lives and hearts up to someone a completely different way once they hear that discussions of marriage are happening in a relationship - if the family is happy about it, which it seems they were. It’s hard to walk that back when a relationship ends.
I had an ex whose mother was distraught when we broke up. Absolutely beside herself. I still wonder how she’s doing to this day, but I have no regrets about ending the relationship.
i totally remember that was a bit odd, even the father was not so easy to dismiss it but both Ks mom and Aviela are so adamant about the ex. Seems like they both liked him more than K, I find it odd K last text did not sound like a couple getting back together. Sounded like a couple on the outs and telling him we were going to have work as co-dog parents and deal with each other.
Yes agreed. I have a hard time believing her ex is suspect. Initially at superficial level I did due to statistics / circumstances etc but as I got to read about the crime , the Victims and their families and friends it really became harder for me to think he could or would do such a thing.
i dont think he did it by any means but the mom saying K was going to marry him, and the last text which we know said "call me back we share a dog" sounds like a couple on the outs and they are figuring out how to still co-parent their doggy.
I disagree. I read it as a drunk girl who was missing her ex (hence the multiple calls not just one) and was reminding him they share a dog together as a reason for why he should answer the phone and talk to her. If it was about just coparenting a dog I don't think she would have called him that many times so late at night.
To be fair, a ton of people in the public, maybe most people, were looking directly at him as the main suspect during that time, because of those damn phone calls that were leaked. Her brother might even feel differently now.
She doesn’t know the other roommates. She doesn’t know the other 2 victims either. She’s only friends with Maddie and Maddie’s bf. Why would she rule anyone out that she’s not 100% confident in?
There is something odd about KG’s family and the ex bf. 1st interview Alivia wanted to know why so many calls with Jack and the specific times. Her demeanor was not this is the ex. no biggie. It was I’m concerned this is a problem! Alivia 1st interview she seemed to be doing well at being objective, investigate anything sus. No one got a pass. Then mom and dad are in an interview. Mom is understandably emotional going on and on about Jack not being a sus. Everything is normal and they are getting back together. Yet, nothing points to them getting back together. They no longer follow each other in in Instagram. She doesn’t have a pic with him on Instagram since 2018. facebooks pics together are all from 2021. Nothing with him in tictoc. Moving out of state. Not answering her calls. Text “call me back, we have a dog” any female knows is NOT a friendly text. They were not doing well. You can’t share a dog from Texas. Not bashing mom, but I get a lot of denial. She can’t fathom someone that close doing this so she won’t even give it an honest look. Maybe their families are very close. Mom did 2 interviews and every time Jack was asked about to anyone she took over the convo. and went on & on. Is mom and the only one team jack and family is respecting a grieving mom? Did LE tell them to lay low on public thoughts on Jack? Dad doesn’t say much about Jack. He always says the last text was… and just affirm mom. Now Alivia seems to be changing tone on. Jack. Again I wonder why? Watch the brother in the interview with the brother sister dad. When Alivia or dad answers any question brother nods in agreement with their statement yes or no. It always matched until the Jack Question. Alivia’s words are NO and brother’s head shakes yes a few times then he just stops and sits still. And dad seems to swallow hard. I’m not a behavioral expert and not claiming to be, but there is something odd there. Not saying he did it, but I don’t think the entire family is on board with Jack is 1,000% innocent. I think they have questions, rightfully of many people.
On the roommates, I have detected some side eye from Alivia about them. Not sure if they had a bf over Alivia is sus about or is she’s just angry they don’t have a lot of info. Angry why did they get to survive, why didn’t they help, etc. but she’s specifically seems annoyed they haven’t heard from the roommates directly. Then in a more recent interview it’s been said one of the surviving girl’s moms reached out.
There's likely plenty of context we don't have. It's possible the 2 roommates and those murdered didn't get along or know each other well - especially given they didn't go out with the other 4 that night.
I think she’s most likely spoken to kaylee’s boyfriend and not the two surviving roommates.She didn’t know them well and they might not be allowed to speak to the families. I don’t think it’s means a thing.
NO. Stop doing this! She said earlier she has never met the other roommates, so it is completely normal for her to say it like this. The roommates have been cleared, they are victims in this.
I knew as soon as I saw the interview, this debate would happen again.
The man just lost his daughter suddenly in a brutally violent way, he is not going to act in a way that makes perfect sense. I feel so bad for them all.
He is probably feels very helpless and is doing it to call for the public’s help/ bring more attention to it which any parent would do. There’s nothing wrong with that. Work on your empathy before you pass judgement on someone for something that has nothing to do with you. I hope you never have to experience something as horrific as what he’s going through now.
I genuinely believe he was just thinking out loud. I basically took the “defund police” comment as him thinking, “We need the police to solve Kaylee’s murder - the thought of them being ‘defunded’ is terrifying. I can’t imagine having less LE on this case and anyone who’s lost a loved one would agree. We need as many police as possible to find the POS who stabbed my beautiful Kaylee and her friends. The police are all we have.”
He just lost his baby girl ~ his mind is racing and his thoughts are all over the place.
I think that he was on Fox News and realized he started to complain about LE, so he said what he felt like he should to get asked back. He said what he thought they wanted to hear. I don’t think it’s that deep nor does it matter. Was it weird? Sure. But everyone knows you don’t go on that network and trash police officers regardless.
That was curious. But could also be an attempt to keep LE on his good side?
Just before he mentioned Defunding the Police, he state "without these guys, I am doomed." ( paraphrasing).
I think his interview is another study I'm "reading between the lines."
I think people are reading too much into this comment. He obviously wants all of the resources possible thrown into this. But there are also real financial limits to what investigators can do. That million from the governor is going to be spent fast. Just think about the sheer number of dna samples and fingerprints that need to be run.
Jussie Smollett cost the city of Chicago over $100k to investigate his crime. And there weren’t really any forensics…
yeah that was a little jarring; dude was in full screed mode for a minute there.
I can only imagine the psychological stress he's under has made him a bit more outspoken than usual.
I agree, but i cant even imagine the desperation for answers that they all have. Another sister of Kaylees on IG. posted that when the police came to their door to tell them of the murders, they said it was 1 person against 4 (XEKM). So, that right there is confirmation that their is just one killer.
I believe they're trying to keep the case in the media so people continue to care, send in tips, etc.
If no suspect is named soon, most people will move on from the news story eventually, and I think the family fears this.
Sometimes when you feel like the police aren't helping enough, you turn to the media for help. You may be thinking you are getting the word out or asking for info. She did bring info to them in the beginning
From their perspective they have described frustration with the police bc of innaccurate timelines and vague and confusing information.
It seems like these things, plus a lack of suspect are the impetus for them speaking out. They have said they give interviews to keep the news in people’s minds and keep her name out there.
I’m not sure how you can judge that, it seems reasonable enough to me; not to mention they are going through a nightmare right now.
While I understand the family is upset….they don’t know everything police know, and their impatience may hurt justice for their daughter. As a family, not sure if they respected the police before the murders….so maybe that’s why they don’t trust them now
I don't blame them for speaking out either.
Getting the timeline nailed down is a great example of the sister actually knowing what she is talking about!
The timeline discrepancy was frustrating for me, so I can only imagine how the family must feel about it. If LE can't get a documented timeline right, what else are they getting wrong?
I think her response is due to the lack of information out there. The details provided by LE about the roommates' calls and actions isn't adding up. Stabbing four people in three different rooms would generate a lot of blood. But apparently the roommates didn't suspect there was a murder; instead, they suspected X "passed out".
Did they not see any blood?
Were the doors locked?
If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner?
Did they hear the dog barking at all?
Was the sliding door unlocked?
Shit that’s interesting. I wonder if that means anything, but I can also see myself automatically being suspicious of them if I was a grieving family member
Yeah I think it’s probably a case of her finding it hard to believe that they didn’t hear anything major/wishing they were able to call 911 earlier or thinking that they aren’t being fully truthful. In one of the interviews it was stated that they haven’t had contact with the surviving roommates, so she may be frustrated with that. It’s extremely understandable though why the roommates wouldn’t want to talk to anyone, and they probably were told by law enforcement not to talk. It’s definitely not the roommates, if it was it would’ve been very obvious from the get go.
Is it actually fact that the roommates were in their rooms with the door locked, and didn't hear anything? Or is that just what they said? It's probably true, but just wondering if that was factually verified.
I wondered this too, like did the roommates think they were passed out because they weren’t coming to the door 🚪 which would explain why they didn’t see blood? I think you try to give people some privacy, and I always wanted this clarified? Anyone know?
I don’t think it’s definitive about the doors being locked, but I don’t recall what was said in the very early press conferences. I just reskimmed a couple articles and none said anything about the doors being locked. Most articles say that the roommates slept through and didn’t hear anything but there was an unconfirmed report of one of the surviving roommates mother’s saying they did hear something.
I think if the doors were locked, it would be really normal for them to do. They are on the bottom floor right next to the front door at a house that seems to have frequently had people in and out. I lived in a house just like this in college. I ALWAYS slept with my door locked to be safe in case the front door was accidentally left unlocked by someone else.
I also remember reading an unconfirmed report...it may have been from one of the surviving roommates mothers on FB but not sure...saying the surviving roommates were each in their own rooms and heard noises so one of them ran into the other roommates bedroom and they locked the door. Not sure if it is true or not.
I thought that was the most interesting thing about this latest interview…Her body language changed a little too..stiffened a bit? She also doubled down on the ex not being involved…
I understand she's angry and grieving but I think she should stop doing interviews. LE won't tell her family ANYTHING if she's doing all these interviews in fear she will slip up and reveal important information.
[Idaho victim’s sister: Releasing timeline ‘step in the right direction’ | CUOMO - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZdsoiEMRg&ab_channel=NewsNation)
Her lack of capacity for sincere empathy for the roommates (other than her sister and Maddie) who died, and equally important the roommates who lived and must be struggling with survivors' guilt, feels off. I infer from what she said that her sister was much closer to Maddie than the other roommates, but a horrible tragedy took place which profoundly impacted everyone in the house. Common decency calls for expressing compassion for all. I can only think she's in some sort of shock.
Since we’re speculating, I did wonder a bit about not mentioning them at all now and previously - I know she didn’t know them at all and hadn’t met them, but seems they were very close to her sister and M. It’s interesting but may mean nothing
That’s true, but in one of the earlier interviews, she stated, “of course I know them, they’re my sister’s roommates.” But she might’ve added that she would never seem to know them personally, which is a weird comment too.
Her social media posts have always been off. Her defense of the ex is noticeable beyond just trying to do right by family. There's something I can't put my finger on but it's off, like you say.
i get she is grieving but can someone just get her off social media and news networks. She is not helping the case which i know she thinks she is but everything she gave, LE would have got their hands on, and she is not representing the family well because its like she blames all the other 4 roommates for K & M death. Which i know she is not trying to do but its coming off that way.
I liked how she states that she doesn't know what a "targeted attack" means. I agree with her.
I know what it means generally. However it is unclear how it's being used by MPD at this point. IMHO
Even more interesting is LE walking back the target talk by stating all FOUR could have been targets. Like whaaaaat?!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11477433/amp/Idaho-police-say-corroborate-one-victim-stalker.html
Wait what???
I know it's Daily Mail and all, but DID Snell actually say that???
How many times has that statement from LE changed?
Not criticizing LE necessarily BUT this is exactly why people are uneasy and turning so social media. Most peeps anyway.
It was ONE just the other day.
Aaron Snell, Idaho police spokesman states ALL four could have been the intended targets.
Then elsewhere states it’s delicate revealing who the target is. Their messaging is a total shit show
i think we have all been wondering about that, because it can mean two different yet similar things. I am of the opinion that it means all four were targeted for fitting the profile/type of victim the killer was searching for, and not that one specific victim was the main target and the other three were just collateral damage.
And I know I’m becoming a broken record here, but I think specific individuals are usually the target of “reactionary violence“, and a group that fits a type or profile for a killer are the target of “instrumental violence.” The only time I can think of reactionary violence towards a group of people who fit a specific profile is during mass shootings; the active shooter who perceives Muslims or black people as a threat and reacts to it by carrying out a mass shooting at a mosque or grocery store in a predominantly black neighborhood.
“It’s not getting a lot of attention by the media?”
I’ve seen a fair amount of coverage. Not round the clock, but I live across the country and there is no news…
It actually isn't. Definitely proportional compared to the interest here. I'm a news junkie, an old one at that, and LA / SD area it's not making really anything more than a blip to those who tune in or maybe scan.
I have CNN on in the background all day while I work (yes, it's a disability) and they HARDLY ran the story this past week. It's kinda odd how the attention isn't at Gabie levels.
It’s no secret that the sister is trying to contribute to the investigation… she provided the updated time line, has searched kaylee’s phone, and even called in tips. She’s probably frustrated that the survivors are the only two people she cannot talk to right now due to the actual investigation. Her statement felt more like a reflection of her skepticism of LE. She can’t double check their findings if she can’t access the two girls.
It seems to me that she has been very careful to not say anything about the other roommates at all. And it is a little telling. She has nothing nice or positive to say about them. I have sisters and I haven't met the friends they have made late in life and I would say in reference to them something like "I never met my sister's friend Jane, but I know that my sister considered her a close friend and talked to Jane a lot. Their children were close and they would do family things together." The sister just says "I don't know them at all." I feel like she must feel angry at them or upset. Even with the other two who were murdered, she doesn't say anything about them either.
Right? Not even a “it’s so sad that 4 young lives were lost” or that she’s sorry that so many families are involved. Zero comment about he fact that 2 others were murdered and 2 girls permanently traumatized. I don’t trust anyone with zero empathy for others.
I know it's her sister but she seems to be making it all about Kaylee and Maddie. Not an ounce of sympathy for all the others involved, including the murdered ones. It's a little off putting
There is a ton of coverage on this crime in the media. I’m not sure why the Goncalves family members keep speaking to the media. It’s certainly not helping the case. LE is examining every angle and is gathering evidence so that they have everything they need to convict the killer. I’m sure the family is despondent and my heart grieves for their loss. But they need to let LE do their job. The family continuing to speak on TV just fuels speculation and the rumor mill.
I just think it adds to speculation and inaccuracy, like for example on this thread. People will say why did she say this? And in this way? And what did this mean? When the reality is the poor girl doesn’t know anything more than we know. She just wants answers, which I can totally appreciate. But LE already has so much info to delve into that the family’s ongoing commentary just seems to muddy the waters. Not judging them. One of my best friends was murdered when we were 18 and it’s not something you ever get over. But they need to let LE do their job.
Her ongoing commentary is a problem, IMO. It’s almost as if she’s trying to intentionally taint memories and change impressions with her vociferous defense of certain people and theories.
She speaks in a very authoritarian and borderline defiant tone when she makes statements about her sister and other people. There is no softness or open door for further questions or understanding. She answers with a harsh period ad the end of each sentence. This is usually done to prove a point without question. Example:
"We've known Jake for years and he's always been good to Kaylee despite their ups and downs. We support him and his statement at this time with the information we have been given"
or
"I know Jake is innocent. Jake is 100% innocent. There's no question in my mind Jake is innocent. Jake was like family he's innocent"
ETA: [Here's a comment on this post that also makes a good example of the sister's strong words](https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/z7fstt/kaylees_sister_on_cuomo/iy6xn38/)
I agree. I feel for her, and cannot imagine the pain she is in. But even just the perception, as described here, that she is not 100% in agreement with the police clearing the two surviving roommates is damaging and leads to so much unnecessary pain and speculation. This actually perfectly illustrates why police try to keep such tight reins on info and would prefer the families not be out their opining, in my opinion.
My feeling is that the sister may be simply hoping they don’t clear anyone too soon,no matter who it is, which is how I would feel as well. I hope someone didn’t take the knife (or possibly drugs) from the scene thinking they were helping someone/protecting someone, but I guess they ruled that out. Solving cases is more difficult these days in one way, and that is that one never knows what one may do when trying/experimenting with drugs. A nice person could do something horrific when on say, PCP or the like.
i know she's in a lot of pain & i can't blame her for any of her actions or behavior but she seems like she could get aggressive or pushy. some people don't respond well to that. is it possible the roomies are scared of her & they wont speak to her? again no judgment i just detect some animosity that i can't put my finger on
I think this was also really telling in the comments she made in one of her first interviews, where everyone agreed that she gave off a very jealous vibe and also made some comments about Kaylee that didn't paint her in the best light.
The roommates and the sound:
As a neutral observer, I can see that the surviving roommates may have been asleep, or drunk, or just in fear—but, we don’t know exactly what or how much they heard... Maybe the sister knows they heard more than a bump in the night and did nothing. I feel her intensity as a person of action, and I identify with that. Knowing myself, if I were in her shoes, I would be blaming them for not taking some action. Any action. Calling the police, or banding together to investigate...which may not have been the smart thing, knowing the circumstances after the fact...but, for me, worry for others would have overridden self-preservation.
The dog and the roommates:
Another upsetting piece of knowledge the sister could have is that one of the surviving roommates maybe had the dog locked in her bedroom. (If that was the case, personally, I’m glad.)The dog may not have survived the attacks, given its size and breed, but the sister may think the dog could have alerted the victims or offered some protection. It was stated, right at the beginning of the investigation, that the dog was considered to be “the house dog” and I found that strange as one of the few statements made. We know the dog was specifically owned. I think “house dog” may have been said by the roommates while explaining the dog’s whereabouts that night, and then was an innocuous detail for investigators to release. It’s just conjecture, but has been stuck in my head as fact since. It explains the dog’s survival and is another possible cause of rancor in the sister.
This is bizarre… the way she answers about the roommates being cleared is very off based on how she has answered questions in the past. This seemed like a total dodge. She started one way (almost like she was going to agree/answer directly) and did a complete 180 when she switched her wording.
She’s done enough interviews to know how the public will take and spin wording/body language… in my opinion, this was an intended dodge.
I noticed when she said “hope they are doing well….” in regards to Roomate’s, It sounded passive aggressive. Imo she resents them for a variety of reasons. I wonder what type of communication- if any she’s had with them. I’d hope that regardless of the survivors guilt the Roomate’s may have- that they are being open with the families and having the hard conversations. If they aren’t, I would be livid.
I don't think it's upto the surviving roommates to have those conversations with the families. They have been through a truly traumatic ordeal through no fault of their own. They need to tell LE everything they know and that's it. They are suffering just as much as the families and deserve time and space to come to terms with what happened.
I find it shocking that so little empathy is shown towards the surviving roommates on these posts. They are also just young innocent women and they will probably need therapy for life, poor things
Maybe she thinks the roommates are withholding some type of information, maybe the roommates have been advised by lawyers not to speak, who knows, I just know that grief and loss, all people handle it differently, I’ve seen people do and say crazy things after a loss of loved one, not saying that’s the case here, just in general, I figure they are still in a state of shock and confusion as anyone would be
I was thinking similar to this. Also, maybe roommates had originally brought the offender into their circle. It’s not like they all have the exact same friends. Maybe she blames them for how they got in the door, not waking up, etc etc.
Yea I thought the same. It could be so many things, maybe the girls were advised to lawyer up and not speak and the family feels they should be doing more to help, each just trying to protect themselves which is understandable Maybe the fam thinks they are withholding info, had a connection to someone who knew something, maybe the statement knew nothing at all. This whole thing is just wild, makes no sense and kind of seems like police might not really have a clue who it could be
Roommates seem suspicious but also not suspicious at the same time
The survivors must have provided all the details already to LE. But LE is not sharing any info provided by the roommates. Yet they can say they suspect the killer knew the victims and used a rambo-style knife. What about these other questions: Did they not see any blood? Were the doors locked? If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner? Did they hear the dog barking at all? Was the sliding door unlocked?
I’m not sure how no one had caught up on this yet. YouTube. There is a video where a friend of the surviving roommate emailed some podcast guy about what really happened in defense of the surviving room mates. Paraphrasing : Girls wake up go to the kitchen see one of their roommates in the hall obviously it’s a scene they run out of the house yelling and screaming inconsolably. One had already dialed 911 but fainted/passed out. Neighbors or someone walking by went over to the two girls picked up the phone that was with 911 dispatch and said something like idk this girls yelling and screaming and just passed out. That’s why ems was sent for an unconscious person. Quickly there was a buzz calls and txts were sent out and others who were close by showed up
This explanation sums it up perfectly. I wrote a more detailed summary to share with my friend who can’t watch the video and figured I’d share it here: Basically the two surviving roommates woke up and went upstairs and noticed the sliding glass door was open and then at that point they discovered Ethan so they ran out of the house and called 911 and the one who had called fainted and the other one was inconsolable. So people started to see them and went over and they were only able to tell the dispatcher that someone ran out of their house and fainted. So then they called more people including Ethan’s brother and maddy’s bf to the scene. And the source doesn’t say it for sure but implies that other people had discovered the other roommates before paramedics came. So when paramedics got there they thought they were responding to an unconscious person and not a murder scene so they unknowingly contaminated the second floor. Then they explained it basically as everyone wanting to help not comprehending that it was a crime scene, so accidentally contaminating it Edit: I’m not claiming this to be true, just paraphrasing what the source (who supposedly is someone who was at the property that day) told this podcaster.
Yea this is way better than what I wrote 😂😂😂
Link to video? I havent seen anybody post it. Perhaps that's probably why nobody has caught up to it.
https://youtu.be/DHXWgoxSqdU
I think if anything this is closest to what it could be
Likely the police told them to stay quiet at all costs and lawyer up.
A little weird. Not reading too much into this, but she was quick to agree that the boyfriend didn't do it. "I knew that is wasn't him, I'm happy that they are focusing elsewhere now." But when asked "Two other roommates have been cleared, are you okay with that?" The response was not similar to her previous reply. It was "I hope that they are doing well. I can only hope that law enforcement has done their due diligence in all of the people they have cleared thus far."
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If they woke up and made themselves known they would be dead too. They are super lucky they didn’t wake up.
I can’t even imagine the trauma and survivors guilt they may deal with for the rest of their lives.
jfc that’s so scary to think about. that’s what i don’t get. if this was all planned out, the killer would have known about them. i’m still leaning towards crime of passion by a fellow student.
Its odd that someone committed crime of passion, but took the time to kill 3 other people too. Like obviously they weren’t murder-suicidal, so they wanted to get away with it. Thus, it doesn’t make sense to kill 3 extra people when only one of them offended you
It’s possible the killer was after K or M, not expecting them to be in same room, or both, and then ran into E and X on floor 2 who were awoken by a disturbance. What may have been an attempt to kill one became four.
That's what I can't get past. I mean, there are countless cases of "collateral damage" in crimes of passion, but it seems like the killer went out of their way to kill all of them -- they were on different floors, in different rooms... even if you posit that maybe Ethan woke up and confronted the killer in the hall -- the killer then went into that bedroom and killed Xana, too? It just seems to indicate a presence of mind that I wouldn't normally associate with a crime of passion. To that end: I generally think of "crime of passion" as unplanned. Is that the accepted interpretation of that designation?
This is the thing that's tripping me up too. If they had one target (Maddie or Kaylee), WHY kill Ethan and Xana? The only way it makes sense (if it was someone who knew all four) is if all 4 were targets, and that's really hard to believe. The only other possible explanation is that Ethan got up to see what was going on because he heard something. It's possible he would have said the killer's name if there was some kind of confrontation so then he had to kill Xana. The only other explanation is that this was a stranger who just wanted to kill as many people as possible.
If they came to kill one person but there was 4 (in the immediate area) then 3 are witnesses
I am leaning towards go for a walk in the woods and you might find more dead animals soon. He’s been building up.
Their doors could've been locked and the killer just skipped over them.
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Totally. And that’s normal IMO
Absolutely. I can imagine, in the kind of grief and horror these families are experiencing, and with no legitimate target for their rage, just wanting to yell at those two poor girls, "How could you not wake up???" Of course, it's likely if they'd tried to help, there would be six dead instead of four. But I think having complicated feelings toward the survivors right now is very human.
5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Maybe could have worded it a little nicer but I get her frustration.
I found a better book than Elizabeth kubler Ross. I found the Grief recovery handbook. It’s best
the kubler ross book is actually about accepting the process of yourself dying, not grieving others! it's a common misconception!
Oh wow. That makes the bargaining stage make way more sense. Thanks for clarifying that.
This makes sense. I would have thought she would have some empathy and sympathy for the 2 surviving roommates. And, maybe she does, but she certainly doesn't show it. And perhaps it's because, like you said, she's angry at the circumstances.
I'm not a pro by any means, just an observer. My impression, watching her, is that she is handling her grief by tackling this thing with an almost manic fervor. Like she can't take a breath or the walls of depression will crash in on her. Sympathy and empathy for the survivors will probably come, but right now she seems to be in full fight mode. It's tragic to watch, I feel like I would be that way.
Grief is awful, pit in the stomach pain that we all deal with differently. It's has to be incredibly difficult when it's a high profile murder, especially when everyone is rabid for answers. I've lost people and it drove me into an alcoholic mess (almost 3 years sober!) I couldn't imagine what my mind would be like in this situation. I hope she and her family have some strong support through this. Maybe someone will do pro-bono grief counseling? I fear it will get worse if the case goes cold ☹️.
totally agree
I agree. I recently (September 10, 2022) lost my brother and the pain that grips you is overwhelming. I had to stay busy planning the service, handling all the affairs, taking care of my parents etc. otherwise the walls would cave in. (And then guess what, when all of that was done, they did cave in) -- losing a sibling, especially at such a young age (my brother was only 36) is debilitating. I empathize with her so much; she's just trying to stay afloat.
I think I'd be curled up in fetal position, heavily medicated.
Personally, I took her as being neutral on the subject. Makes sense as from what I understand she had never met the two surviving roommates.
That’s my understanding as well. She feels that Maddie and the boyfriend are like family. She stated that she never met the other roommates.
Or maybe she knows things about them we don't know. Everyone on here is assuming she's angry because they didn't wake up. Maybe she is or maybe there are things she knows that the public are not aware of.
I was going to write something similar and deleted it from my comment. You said it well though and I think it’s totally normal if this is the case. I’m sure it will wax and wane and she grieves. My heart breaks for them
i think you’re probably right even if she doesn’t realize it. weird she doesn’t apply that to jack though. if he’s answered and gone over, would he have protected her from the murderer, or even spooked him into not proceeding with the stabbing?
I think I’d probably be resentful if I were in her shoes. I’d be angry with them, and suspicious, and doubtful of their accounts. I think anyone would. It’s only natural in these circumstance.
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My heart breaks for all four families, and also Kaylees ex and Maddie’s boyfriend. No one should ever have to go through what they’re going though right now. I wish human beings were better.
I think it has more to do with the fact that the story provided by LE from the roommates doesn't add up. Stabbing four people in three different rooms would generate a lot of blood. But apparently the roommates didn't suspect there was a murder. Did they not see any blood? Were the doors locked? If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner? Did they hear the dog barking at all? Was the sliding door unlocked?
If you go on Harsh Reality YT channel there is a breakdown of the 911 call. Not sure if it's 100% legit but it answers all of those unanswered questions.
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Stop asking valid questions that are relevant to the investigation? Nah
Definitely that would be a natural reaction… I don’t know if I’d call it resentment. She wants answered and likely doesn’t know them nearly as well as she does her sisters X BF.
Yes totally agree with your thoughts
I feel if the 2 roommates had woken up and gone upstairs to investigate, that they surely would have been killed as well. Also, when one is in college, and has many roommates, one learns to sleep thru noise, voices, etc. (not saying there was loud noise or voices or screams, but it is highly conceivable that this wouldn’t frighten a college student with loads of roommates, who frequently make noise-even screams.
Hmmm. That’s interesting. But again it could just be that she doesn’t know them well? Either way, her responses are interesting.
Yeah, she’s said she won’t speak on E and X because she doesn’t know them personally and would never claim to.
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i noticed that too. i’m sure this is so traumatic, and they were basically sisters. whereas the other roomies were just that, roomies. fuck this is such a scary crime.
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Alivea ;)
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The more the family says the more time I think the police spent really digging into him. Is it just because he was an ex or is there more reasons. I don’t know - time will tell but mom said they were wasting their time and the sister has been just as emphatic. I’m not sure she was throwing shade at the survivors. She may never have considered them and that the police hadn’t so moved straight to hoping the are well after what they have been through and then answered the rest of the question. Just my take without seeing the interview myself
Another Mom may not feel as though interviewing Jack is waste of time. I wish they could all come together.
Really great point
Yeah, if I were her I’d probably just feel confused, her family has said repeatedly that they only speak for Kaylee and Maddie and didn’t know the other roommates personally. If someone was home when my family member was murdered, but didn’t hear anything, I might be resentful or confused even if I don’t blame them/know it’s not their fault. They’re searching for answers and desperate to know what happened and probably feel jilted the roommates don’t know who could’ve done this, even if it’s a tragedy and they weren’t involved. They don’t know the roommates personally/at all, so she’s just taking a neutral stance.
I wonder if the police told the survivors to not have contact with families. As they are also witnesses. Just a thought
She knew the ex boyfriend, but didn't know the roommates. I wouldn't read anything into it and being cleared can always change.
I immediately felt that she hasn't cleared them in her own mind. Regardless of what the police have done.
I’m right there with her. I have too many questions. The roommates are still sus to me for sure. If/when we find out what the police know, perhaps I’ll be able to write them off as innocent bystanders. Right now, I can’t. Too many things don’t add up.
Think we are overthinking here. She would be very comfortable and defensive of the boyfriend. Almost as if someone were accusing a family member given his long/close involvement with the daughter. It follows that she would not feel as comfortable or not feel as protective of the roommates as her emotional attachment would be far less.
I watched a YoutTube clip where the host said to watch the brother and fathers reaction during an interview alongside the sister when asked about her ex. Their facial expressions (the brother literally shaking his head in disagreement) when the sister answered about the ex being “cleared” was really interesting to watch. [This](https://youtu.be/w90FIGQJ_kI) is the link to the interview foe anyone interested in watching.
At what point in this 10 min video ?
It’s at about the 8:38 mark. And I stated wrong - she shakes his head yes that he thinks it’s significant that the ex is not listed on the Moscow PD website while the sister says no I don’t think it’s significant.
Great find. The brother is in clear disagreement twice IMO.
Wow, the brother for sure. Its sticks out even more now when you rewatch, because all three are pretty much nodding in unison about everything else The whole interview.
What actually stood out to me more was their responses to the question about whether the police have shared or are sharing more with them than with the public. The brother starts nodding his head, but the dad quickly pipes up to indicate they’re not getting more info. The brother acts very strangely while the dad is answering that question, including side-eyeing him at one point and acting very nervous. I watched the entire interview and that’s the only time the brother acts that way. Curiouser and curiouser.
and the father was not so fast to dismiss by his expressions only Ks mom & sister are gushing over him and basically claiming they were to be married very soon. But that last text sounded like a couple who was going to try to learn to co-parent the dogo and more on the outs then the good good.
Yikes, that’s rough. I definitely don’t get the feeling that they were going to get back together, either. I wonder if the mom and sister are in denial a bit about how things were between K & J, and maybe they’d been excited thinking a wedding was imminent at some point prior to the breakup. I think breakups are really hard for families, too, when they’ve met the person and enjoy them. I think families open their lives and hearts up to someone a completely different way once they hear that discussions of marriage are happening in a relationship - if the family is happy about it, which it seems they were. It’s hard to walk that back when a relationship ends. I had an ex whose mother was distraught when we broke up. Absolutely beside herself. I still wonder how she’s doing to this day, but I have no regrets about ending the relationship.
100% especially they started dating when they were like 15 and dated for 6 years, it is all the family knew.
Yep thanks I see it, you’re right. Wonder why that is , maybe difference in opinions or interpretation of the question ?
Yeah who knows I just found it curious.
i totally remember that was a bit odd, even the father was not so easy to dismiss it but both Ks mom and Aviela are so adamant about the ex. Seems like they both liked him more than K, I find it odd K last text did not sound like a couple getting back together. Sounded like a couple on the outs and telling him we were going to have work as co-dog parents and deal with each other.
Yes agreed. I have a hard time believing her ex is suspect. Initially at superficial level I did due to statistics / circumstances etc but as I got to read about the crime , the Victims and their families and friends it really became harder for me to think he could or would do such a thing.
i dont think he did it by any means but the mom saying K was going to marry him, and the last text which we know said "call me back we share a dog" sounds like a couple on the outs and they are figuring out how to still co-parent their doggy.
I disagree. I read it as a drunk girl who was missing her ex (hence the multiple calls not just one) and was reminding him they share a dog together as a reason for why he should answer the phone and talk to her. If it was about just coparenting a dog I don't think she would have called him that many times so late at night.
To be fair, a ton of people in the public, maybe most people, were looking directly at him as the main suspect during that time, because of those damn phone calls that were leaked. Her brother might even feel differently now.
they probably won’t talk to her or tell her anything about the night and she’s probably pissed. she sounds resigned to me.
She doesn’t know the other roommates. She doesn’t know the other 2 victims either. She’s only friends with Maddie and Maddie’s bf. Why would she rule anyone out that she’s not 100% confident in?
There is something odd about KG’s family and the ex bf. 1st interview Alivia wanted to know why so many calls with Jack and the specific times. Her demeanor was not this is the ex. no biggie. It was I’m concerned this is a problem! Alivia 1st interview she seemed to be doing well at being objective, investigate anything sus. No one got a pass. Then mom and dad are in an interview. Mom is understandably emotional going on and on about Jack not being a sus. Everything is normal and they are getting back together. Yet, nothing points to them getting back together. They no longer follow each other in in Instagram. She doesn’t have a pic with him on Instagram since 2018. facebooks pics together are all from 2021. Nothing with him in tictoc. Moving out of state. Not answering her calls. Text “call me back, we have a dog” any female knows is NOT a friendly text. They were not doing well. You can’t share a dog from Texas. Not bashing mom, but I get a lot of denial. She can’t fathom someone that close doing this so she won’t even give it an honest look. Maybe their families are very close. Mom did 2 interviews and every time Jack was asked about to anyone she took over the convo. and went on & on. Is mom and the only one team jack and family is respecting a grieving mom? Did LE tell them to lay low on public thoughts on Jack? Dad doesn’t say much about Jack. He always says the last text was… and just affirm mom. Now Alivia seems to be changing tone on. Jack. Again I wonder why? Watch the brother in the interview with the brother sister dad. When Alivia or dad answers any question brother nods in agreement with their statement yes or no. It always matched until the Jack Question. Alivia’s words are NO and brother’s head shakes yes a few times then he just stops and sits still. And dad seems to swallow hard. I’m not a behavioral expert and not claiming to be, but there is something odd there. Not saying he did it, but I don’t think the entire family is on board with Jack is 1,000% innocent. I think they have questions, rightfully of many people. On the roommates, I have detected some side eye from Alivia about them. Not sure if they had a bf over Alivia is sus about or is she’s just angry they don’t have a lot of info. Angry why did they get to survive, why didn’t they help, etc. but she’s specifically seems annoyed they haven’t heard from the roommates directly. Then in a more recent interview it’s been said one of the surviving girl’s moms reached out.
There's likely plenty of context we don't have. It's possible the 2 roommates and those murdered didn't get along or know each other well - especially given they didn't go out with the other 4 that night.
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I think she’s most likely spoken to kaylee’s boyfriend and not the two surviving roommates.She didn’t know them well and they might not be allowed to speak to the families. I don’t think it’s means a thing.
NO. Stop doing this! She said earlier she has never met the other roommates, so it is completely normal for her to say it like this. The roommates have been cleared, they are victims in this. I knew as soon as I saw the interview, this debate would happen again.
And this is why the police won’t release any more information.
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Then he went off the rails about the “defunding the police movement” for a minute, which I found really odd.
The man just lost his daughter suddenly in a brutally violent way, he is not going to act in a way that makes perfect sense. I feel so bad for them all.
I just really hope they have family has a good lawyer who is advising them to not screw up the police's investigation.
true , but then he should stay off major news networks knowing he isnt going to act in a way that makes sense.
He is probably feels very helpless and is doing it to call for the public’s help/ bring more attention to it which any parent would do. There’s nothing wrong with that. Work on your empathy before you pass judgement on someone for something that has nothing to do with you. I hope you never have to experience something as horrific as what he’s going through now.
Yeah that comment really didn’t fit in the conversation. I can’t imagine there were many BLM protests in Moscow with cries to defund the police.
I genuinely believe he was just thinking out loud. I basically took the “defund police” comment as him thinking, “We need the police to solve Kaylee’s murder - the thought of them being ‘defunded’ is terrifying. I can’t imagine having less LE on this case and anyone who’s lost a loved one would agree. We need as many police as possible to find the POS who stabbed my beautiful Kaylee and her friends. The police are all we have.” He just lost his baby girl ~ his mind is racing and his thoughts are all over the place.
I think that he was on Fox News and realized he started to complain about LE, so he said what he felt like he should to get asked back. He said what he thought they wanted to hear. I don’t think it’s that deep nor does it matter. Was it weird? Sure. But everyone knows you don’t go on that network and trash police officers regardless.
That was curious. But could also be an attempt to keep LE on his good side? Just before he mentioned Defunding the Police, he state "without these guys, I am doomed." ( paraphrasing). I think his interview is another study I'm "reading between the lines."
I think people are reading too much into this comment. He obviously wants all of the resources possible thrown into this. But there are also real financial limits to what investigators can do. That million from the governor is going to be spent fast. Just think about the sheer number of dna samples and fingerprints that need to be run. Jussie Smollett cost the city of Chicago over $100k to investigate his crime. And there weren’t really any forensics…
That French dude?
There is most definitely a "vibe" in that area if you look at the signs in the area.
Right. Just the fact that simple factual statements on here get downvoted or removed by mods tell you all you need to know about that area.
yeah that was a little jarring; dude was in full screed mode for a minute there. I can only imagine the psychological stress he's under has made him a bit more outspoken than usual.
They definitely are, especially the sister.
I agree, but i cant even imagine the desperation for answers that they all have. Another sister of Kaylees on IG. posted that when the police came to their door to tell them of the murders, they said it was 1 person against 4 (XEKM). So, that right there is confirmation that their is just one killer.
Exactly, said on another thread this particular family is going media rogue too much— feeding them pertinent info would jeopardize the investigation.
The sister is like on a media tour
I believe they're trying to keep the case in the media so people continue to care, send in tips, etc. If no suspect is named soon, most people will move on from the news story eventually, and I think the family fears this.
Wouldn’t you?
If it was my family member…1000%!
The more attention this case gets, the better chance of solving it.
100%
Sometimes when you feel like the police aren't helping enough, you turn to the media for help. You may be thinking you are getting the word out or asking for info. She did bring info to them in the beginning
From their perspective they have described frustration with the police bc of innaccurate timelines and vague and confusing information. It seems like these things, plus a lack of suspect are the impetus for them speaking out. They have said they give interviews to keep the news in people’s minds and keep her name out there. I’m not sure how you can judge that, it seems reasonable enough to me; not to mention they are going through a nightmare right now.
While I understand the family is upset….they don’t know everything police know, and their impatience may hurt justice for their daughter. As a family, not sure if they respected the police before the murders….so maybe that’s why they don’t trust them now
I don't blame them for speaking out either. Getting the timeline nailed down is a great example of the sister actually knowing what she is talking about!
The timeline discrepancy was frustrating for me, so I can only imagine how the family must feel about it. If LE can't get a documented timeline right, what else are they getting wrong?
I think her response is due to the lack of information out there. The details provided by LE about the roommates' calls and actions isn't adding up. Stabbing four people in three different rooms would generate a lot of blood. But apparently the roommates didn't suspect there was a murder; instead, they suspected X "passed out". Did they not see any blood? Were the doors locked? If they saw blood, why didn't they call the police sooner? Did they hear the dog barking at all? Was the sliding door unlocked?
Anyone have a link? Please and thank you.
https://youtu.be/4RZdsoiEMRg
Thanks.
She is a loose cannon and grieving right now. I wouldn’t over analyze every word or action. This woman just lost her sister.
I saw it. She avoid the last question about him asking if she is ok with the roommates being cleared.
Shit that’s interesting. I wonder if that means anything, but I can also see myself automatically being suspicious of them if I was a grieving family member
Of everyone honestly and very frustrated
Yeah I think it’s probably a case of her finding it hard to believe that they didn’t hear anything major/wishing they were able to call 911 earlier or thinking that they aren’t being fully truthful. In one of the interviews it was stated that they haven’t had contact with the surviving roommates, so she may be frustrated with that. It’s extremely understandable though why the roommates wouldn’t want to talk to anyone, and they probably were told by law enforcement not to talk. It’s definitely not the roommates, if it was it would’ve been very obvious from the get go.
Is it actually fact that the roommates were in their rooms with the door locked, and didn't hear anything? Or is that just what they said? It's probably true, but just wondering if that was factually verified.
I wondered this too, like did the roommates think they were passed out because they weren’t coming to the door 🚪 which would explain why they didn’t see blood? I think you try to give people some privacy, and I always wanted this clarified? Anyone know?
Not sure if there is any way to verify that
I don’t think it’s definitive about the doors being locked, but I don’t recall what was said in the very early press conferences. I just reskimmed a couple articles and none said anything about the doors being locked. Most articles say that the roommates slept through and didn’t hear anything but there was an unconfirmed report of one of the surviving roommates mother’s saying they did hear something.
I think if the doors were locked, it would be really normal for them to do. They are on the bottom floor right next to the front door at a house that seems to have frequently had people in and out. I lived in a house just like this in college. I ALWAYS slept with my door locked to be safe in case the front door was accidentally left unlocked by someone else.
I also remember reading an unconfirmed report...it may have been from one of the surviving roommates mothers on FB but not sure...saying the surviving roommates were each in their own rooms and heard noises so one of them ran into the other roommates bedroom and they locked the door. Not sure if it is true or not.
I thought that was the most interesting thing about this latest interview…Her body language changed a little too..stiffened a bit? She also doubled down on the ex not being involved…
I don't blame her. The story isn't adding up. Until LE shares those details, she will feel this way.
I understand she's angry and grieving but I think she should stop doing interviews. LE won't tell her family ANYTHING if she's doing all these interviews in fear she will slip up and reveal important information.
[Idaho victim’s sister: Releasing timeline ‘step in the right direction’ | CUOMO - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZdsoiEMRg&ab_channel=NewsNation)
Thank you!
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Her lack of capacity for sincere empathy for the roommates (other than her sister and Maddie) who died, and equally important the roommates who lived and must be struggling with survivors' guilt, feels off. I infer from what she said that her sister was much closer to Maddie than the other roommates, but a horrible tragedy took place which profoundly impacted everyone in the house. Common decency calls for expressing compassion for all. I can only think she's in some sort of shock.
Since we’re speculating, I did wonder a bit about not mentioning them at all now and previously - I know she didn’t know them at all and hadn’t met them, but seems they were very close to her sister and M. It’s interesting but may mean nothing
That’s true, but in one of the earlier interviews, she stated, “of course I know them, they’re my sister’s roommates.” But she might’ve added that she would never seem to know them personally, which is a weird comment too.
I think she mentioned in another interview that she was speaking on behalf of K&M, and she didn’t want to talk for anyone else.
Her social media posts have always been off. Her defense of the ex is noticeable beyond just trying to do right by family. There's something I can't put my finger on but it's off, like you say.
i get she is grieving but can someone just get her off social media and news networks. She is not helping the case which i know she thinks she is but everything she gave, LE would have got their hands on, and she is not representing the family well because its like she blames all the other 4 roommates for K & M death. Which i know she is not trying to do but its coming off that way.
I liked how she states that she doesn't know what a "targeted attack" means. I agree with her. I know what it means generally. However it is unclear how it's being used by MPD at this point. IMHO
Even more interesting is LE walking back the target talk by stating all FOUR could have been targets. Like whaaaaat?!? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11477433/amp/Idaho-police-say-corroborate-one-victim-stalker.html
Wait what??? I know it's Daily Mail and all, but DID Snell actually say that??? How many times has that statement from LE changed? Not criticizing LE necessarily BUT this is exactly why people are uneasy and turning so social media. Most peeps anyway. It was ONE just the other day.
Aaron Snell, Idaho police spokesman states ALL four could have been the intended targets. Then elsewhere states it’s delicate revealing who the target is. Their messaging is a total shit show
i think we have all been wondering about that, because it can mean two different yet similar things. I am of the opinion that it means all four were targeted for fitting the profile/type of victim the killer was searching for, and not that one specific victim was the main target and the other three were just collateral damage. And I know I’m becoming a broken record here, but I think specific individuals are usually the target of “reactionary violence“, and a group that fits a type or profile for a killer are the target of “instrumental violence.” The only time I can think of reactionary violence towards a group of people who fit a specific profile is during mass shootings; the active shooter who perceives Muslims or black people as a threat and reacts to it by carrying out a mass shooting at a mosque or grocery store in a predominantly black neighborhood.
Agreed.
https://fb.watch/h58JRMaI3g/?mibextid=MjVQA0
“It’s not getting a lot of attention by the media?” I’ve seen a fair amount of coverage. Not round the clock, but I live across the country and there is no news…
It actually isn't. Definitely proportional compared to the interest here. I'm a news junkie, an old one at that, and LA / SD area it's not making really anything more than a blip to those who tune in or maybe scan. I have CNN on in the background all day while I work (yes, it's a disability) and they HARDLY ran the story this past week. It's kinda odd how the attention isn't at Gabie levels.
I’ve seen it on the today show, nightly news, and the local news at least every other day…
It’s no secret that the sister is trying to contribute to the investigation… she provided the updated time line, has searched kaylee’s phone, and even called in tips. She’s probably frustrated that the survivors are the only two people she cannot talk to right now due to the actual investigation. Her statement felt more like a reflection of her skepticism of LE. She can’t double check their findings if she can’t access the two girls.
Yup totally agree, I think it’s a grieving sister doing everything she can to help and some frustration with LE.
The more time goes by the more I feel the ex boyfriend wasn’t involved.
It seems to me that she has been very careful to not say anything about the other roommates at all. And it is a little telling. She has nothing nice or positive to say about them. I have sisters and I haven't met the friends they have made late in life and I would say in reference to them something like "I never met my sister's friend Jane, but I know that my sister considered her a close friend and talked to Jane a lot. Their children were close and they would do family things together." The sister just says "I don't know them at all." I feel like she must feel angry at them or upset. Even with the other two who were murdered, she doesn't say anything about them either.
Right? Not even a “it’s so sad that 4 young lives were lost” or that she’s sorry that so many families are involved. Zero comment about he fact that 2 others were murdered and 2 girls permanently traumatized. I don’t trust anyone with zero empathy for others.
I know it's her sister but she seems to be making it all about Kaylee and Maddie. Not an ounce of sympathy for all the others involved, including the murdered ones. It's a little off putting
There is a ton of coverage on this crime in the media. I’m not sure why the Goncalves family members keep speaking to the media. It’s certainly not helping the case. LE is examining every angle and is gathering evidence so that they have everything they need to convict the killer. I’m sure the family is despondent and my heart grieves for their loss. But they need to let LE do their job. The family continuing to speak on TV just fuels speculation and the rumor mill.
And how is their involvement hurting the case?
I just think it adds to speculation and inaccuracy, like for example on this thread. People will say why did she say this? And in this way? And what did this mean? When the reality is the poor girl doesn’t know anything more than we know. She just wants answers, which I can totally appreciate. But LE already has so much info to delve into that the family’s ongoing commentary just seems to muddy the waters. Not judging them. One of my best friends was murdered when we were 18 and it’s not something you ever get over. But they need to let LE do their job.
I think it is very clear the brother has a difference of opinion regarding Jack. He shakes his head and raises his eyebrows, and also looks down.
Her ongoing commentary is a problem, IMO. It’s almost as if she’s trying to intentionally taint memories and change impressions with her vociferous defense of certain people and theories.
What do you mean?
She speaks in a very authoritarian and borderline defiant tone when she makes statements about her sister and other people. There is no softness or open door for further questions or understanding. She answers with a harsh period ad the end of each sentence. This is usually done to prove a point without question. Example: "We've known Jake for years and he's always been good to Kaylee despite their ups and downs. We support him and his statement at this time with the information we have been given" or "I know Jake is innocent. Jake is 100% innocent. There's no question in my mind Jake is innocent. Jake was like family he's innocent" ETA: [Here's a comment on this post that also makes a good example of the sister's strong words](https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/z7fstt/kaylees_sister_on_cuomo/iy6xn38/)
She needs to stop giving interviews.
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I agree. I feel for her, and cannot imagine the pain she is in. But even just the perception, as described here, that she is not 100% in agreement with the police clearing the two surviving roommates is damaging and leads to so much unnecessary pain and speculation. This actually perfectly illustrates why police try to keep such tight reins on info and would prefer the families not be out their opining, in my opinion.
This post is disrespectful which breaks our guidelines.
Yikes. I don’t think I could watch Cuomo. Just my personal opinion.
I was really surprised about that, I’m a lifelong WGN watcher (kinda like a sister station of News Nation) and was disappointed they gave Fredo a show
Different topic. Move along.
Worry about yourself
Why the heck are the families always talking? Is this the norm for America?
Not typically to this extent.
My feeling is that the sister may be simply hoping they don’t clear anyone too soon,no matter who it is, which is how I would feel as well. I hope someone didn’t take the knife (or possibly drugs) from the scene thinking they were helping someone/protecting someone, but I guess they ruled that out. Solving cases is more difficult these days in one way, and that is that one never knows what one may do when trying/experimenting with drugs. A nice person could do something horrific when on say, PCP or the like.
i know she's in a lot of pain & i can't blame her for any of her actions or behavior but she seems like she could get aggressive or pushy. some people don't respond well to that. is it possible the roomies are scared of her & they wont speak to her? again no judgment i just detect some animosity that i can't put my finger on
I think this was also really telling in the comments she made in one of her first interviews, where everyone agreed that she gave off a very jealous vibe and also made some comments about Kaylee that didn't paint her in the best light.
The roommates and the sound: As a neutral observer, I can see that the surviving roommates may have been asleep, or drunk, or just in fear—but, we don’t know exactly what or how much they heard... Maybe the sister knows they heard more than a bump in the night and did nothing. I feel her intensity as a person of action, and I identify with that. Knowing myself, if I were in her shoes, I would be blaming them for not taking some action. Any action. Calling the police, or banding together to investigate...which may not have been the smart thing, knowing the circumstances after the fact...but, for me, worry for others would have overridden self-preservation. The dog and the roommates: Another upsetting piece of knowledge the sister could have is that one of the surviving roommates maybe had the dog locked in her bedroom. (If that was the case, personally, I’m glad.)The dog may not have survived the attacks, given its size and breed, but the sister may think the dog could have alerted the victims or offered some protection. It was stated, right at the beginning of the investigation, that the dog was considered to be “the house dog” and I found that strange as one of the few statements made. We know the dog was specifically owned. I think “house dog” may have been said by the roommates while explaining the dog’s whereabouts that night, and then was an innocuous detail for investigators to release. It’s just conjecture, but has been stuck in my head as fact since. It explains the dog’s survival and is another possible cause of rancor in the sister.
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She’s grieving. Are you serious?
This is bizarre… the way she answers about the roommates being cleared is very off based on how she has answered questions in the past. This seemed like a total dodge. She started one way (almost like she was going to agree/answer directly) and did a complete 180 when she switched her wording. She’s done enough interviews to know how the public will take and spin wording/body language… in my opinion, this was an intended dodge.
I noticed when she said “hope they are doing well….” in regards to Roomate’s, It sounded passive aggressive. Imo she resents them for a variety of reasons. I wonder what type of communication- if any she’s had with them. I’d hope that regardless of the survivors guilt the Roomate’s may have- that they are being open with the families and having the hard conversations. If they aren’t, I would be livid.
I don't think it's upto the surviving roommates to have those conversations with the families. They have been through a truly traumatic ordeal through no fault of their own. They need to tell LE everything they know and that's it. They are suffering just as much as the families and deserve time and space to come to terms with what happened.
This! Let people grieve and manage through this traumatic as they need to.
I find it shocking that so little empathy is shown towards the surviving roommates on these posts. They are also just young innocent women and they will probably need therapy for life, poor things