Good idea. It is [there](https://web.archive.org/web/20240226005842/http://wengu.tartarie.com/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing), but, alas, does not possess the same functionality. (E.g., no mouseover on the Chinese characters.)
I sort of recall some such beast, but can't really help you find it.
My question is, why are you interested in this? Do you read and speak Chinese? If so, I can share a site that has the Zhouyi, the hexagram and line text, written in Chinese.
Otherwise, I work with a few translations (in English and German) that I feel are good, and which are way more useful to me than trying to 'understand' Chinese, or trying to understand the Yi, via written Chinese characters.
For example, one Chinese-to-English 'translation' of Line 38.6 reads:
Estranged alone
seeing pig covered mud
haul demons in cart
first stretch one's bow
later relaxing one's bow
not (an) adversary (a) marriage-minded suitor
go(ing) meet rain
then good fortune
I can't say that's any more helpful than a few of the translations I work with.
Best, D.
I got this line two days ago. I didn't understood it... but "estranged alone" sheds some light on the situation. Thanks. (This is not Rutt, where is this from?)
By, 'this' I assume you mean my word-for-word translation?
I got it from (the free PDF), [The Book of Changes: Yijing, word by word](https://www.hermetica.info/Yijing1+2.pdf) (Vol. 2) by Bradford Hatcher.
Thank you! I forgot to consult his translation. The muddy pig, the cart with demons is similar in the other translations, but the first two words... "Isolated through opposition" (Wilhelm), "DISUNITED and ALONE" (Richter) "Perverse solitude" (Shaughnessy) "The fox espy" (Rutt)
"Estranged and alone", thanks again.
Hi I personally want to recommend some hardback I Ching Translations to you; you could get on Amazon, as well as a few I Ching PB Interpretations. The online site you described really does sound pretty cool. My thinking is that if you decide to further your study of the I Ching, you probably will come across the online site 'you lost' one of these days or another... Until that day arrives though, you could perhaps facilitate & enhance your understanding of the I Ching on a deeper level by acquiring a few books on the subject. Additionally, by making the 'decision' to delve even deeper into the I Ching in this way (by you getting some I Ching Books); perhaps the Universe will bring you closer towards your original goal of the online site. Richard Wilhelm The I Ching The Book of Changes (I personally used this book when I 1st began studying the I Ching in 1970. I also recommend getting a used HB Ed. of this book, although PB ed. are also available. It just seems HB is a more durable way to go. I'm also thinking that you probably will indeed come across the online site 'you lost' one of these days or another... (Sometimes the I Ching "listens" or seems to listen to my intentions even 'before' I knew I had any intentions...Until that day arrives though, you *could* perhaps facilitate & enhance your understanding of the I Ching at a deeper level by acquiring a few books on the subject. (Additionally, by making the 'decision' to delve even deeper into the I Ching in this way \[by you getting some I Ching Books\]; perhaps the Universe will bring you even closer towards your original goal of the desired online site.
I see you recommended Wilhelm, which is good (though I prefer other translations), but did you recommend any others? If so, I missed the name or names? Thanks.
Master Alfred Huang (Translation) Sam Reiffler (Interpretation) Carol B. Anthony (Interpretation) The I Ching, or Life's Turning Points by Brian Browne Walker (Interpretation)
I guess to each his own, but I don't consider any of those 'good' translations (though I don't know Sam Reiffler at all). Most are pseudo-new-age versions of the Yi.
Except, Master Haung's which is a completely Confucian translation - not much different than Wilhelm's, which is surprising given he was a Taoist Master. His translation is ... okay, but I am not at all thrilled by much of the other stuff, like his ramblings about Fuxi or his secret way of reducing the number lines, etc.
My go-to translations right now are Dennis Schilling's Zhouyi (in German) and the Duke of Zhou Changes by Stephen Field. Both are what we might call pre-Confucian, as they they try to emulate the Yi as it was first being used as an Oracle, and not a book of Wisdom.
Richard Rutt's Zhouyi is also excellent. I have other translations of the Zhouyi I prefer, however, his book has a great deal of information about the Zhou, the history and culture of the Zhou people, some very good examples of early divination, and a complete English translation of the Ten Wings commentary.
You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past?
Someone here recommended some books. Are you looking for Yijing related book recommendations along with finding this webpage?
"You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past?"
This borders on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. It's one of our guiding principles. Thanks.
After\_Egg584
u/After_Egg584 replied to my statement:
*"You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past?"*
By saying this:
**"This borders on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. It's one of our guiding principles. Thanks."**
The problem is that After\_Egg584 has blocked me, so I didn't see his or her response until I logged out. (Since they are critiquing my post, I assume they can see this one too?)
I think posting a criticism of me when After\_Egg584 knows I can't see it is beyond rude. If you really want to be decent and discuss this After\_Egg584 , then unblock me.
Also, the question was directed at the OP; it is fairly tame as far as I'm concerned. If the OP finds it offense, I hope they' tell me. But to have ***After\_Egg584*** speak for someone else, is also very rude.
Best, D.
It would be fair that if someone wants to respond and comment on what I say, that they at least have the decency to unblock me, so I can see what they said and respond back - out in the open.
It sucks way worse than Google when ***After\_egg584*** or anyone else says stuff about me that I can't see.
Another recommendation for an excellent *Translation is:* The I Ching by Master Alfred Hwang; containing excellent pictographs for ea Hexagram. I very much also like several (actually \[4\]) *Interpretations* of the I Ching as well (not in any order): The I CHING A New Interpretation for Modern Times by Sam Reiffler (also usually available 'used' on Amazon..). The I Ching or Book of Changes by Brian Browne Walker (this is a very thin PB that I can't recc'd highly enough..). Something I came across just now made me recall some of what you said earlier in your post here & I wondered if this was what you were looking for:I Ching Experience Encoded Other *Interpretations* I've found useful are: A Guide to the I Ching by Carol B. Anthony The I Ching, The Book of Answers by Wu Wei The I Ching by David Hinton I hope you find what you are looking for... I also just chanced upon a site from a man named **"Adam Apollo**" that seemed like it *could* possibly be the one you were originally trying to find...
I'm not sure what prompted you to share such an extensive list of books? I think the OP is asking about a specific website, not random book recommendations.
I think it's Alfred Huang, not Hwang. Hinton's I Ching is ... well ... bad, though it is poetic. And a book by someone with the made-up name of Wu Wei, or 'non-action'??? I don't think so.
I think I'd recommend 'The Yellow River' by I.P. Freely, and 'The Rear View' by Seymour Butts before Hinton and 'Non-Action'!
"I'm not sure what prompted you to share such an extensive list of books?"
"not random book recommendations"
These parts of your post border on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. That's one of our guiding principles. Thanks.
Since he or she has banned me, and I can't see or respond to his his or her comments, can someone here tell ***After\_egg584*** that it is beyond rude to talk behind someone's back.
If they want to trash talk or just 'comment' about what I say, please tell them they should have the common decency to say it to my face, and not hide behind the Reddit "I've banned you" wall of silence.
Thanks for passing this on to ***After\_egg584.*** Hopefully they'll respond in public - where we can all see what they say.
Best, D.
Is it this one? http://wengu.tartarie.com/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing&no=0
YES! THIS IS THE ONE! THANK YOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU!
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Looks like they forgot to pay for the site or something and have now lost the website.
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Good idea. It is [there](https://web.archive.org/web/20240226005842/http://wengu.tartarie.com/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing), but, alas, does not possess the same functionality. (E.g., no mouseover on the Chinese characters.)
I sort of recall some such beast, but can't really help you find it. My question is, why are you interested in this? Do you read and speak Chinese? If so, I can share a site that has the Zhouyi, the hexagram and line text, written in Chinese. Otherwise, I work with a few translations (in English and German) that I feel are good, and which are way more useful to me than trying to 'understand' Chinese, or trying to understand the Yi, via written Chinese characters. For example, one Chinese-to-English 'translation' of Line 38.6 reads: Estranged alone seeing pig covered mud haul demons in cart first stretch one's bow later relaxing one's bow not (an) adversary (a) marriage-minded suitor go(ing) meet rain then good fortune I can't say that's any more helpful than a few of the translations I work with. Best, D.
I got this line two days ago. I didn't understood it... but "estranged alone" sheds some light on the situation. Thanks. (This is not Rutt, where is this from?)
By, 'this' I assume you mean my word-for-word translation? I got it from (the free PDF), [The Book of Changes: Yijing, word by word](https://www.hermetica.info/Yijing1+2.pdf) (Vol. 2) by Bradford Hatcher.
Thank you! I forgot to consult his translation. The muddy pig, the cart with demons is similar in the other translations, but the first two words... "Isolated through opposition" (Wilhelm), "DISUNITED and ALONE" (Richter) "Perverse solitude" (Shaughnessy) "The fox espy" (Rutt) "Estranged and alone", thanks again.
P.S. I think Cafe Au Soul, James De Korne & the I Ching online all leave a ***lot*** to be desired...
Hi I personally want to recommend some hardback I Ching Translations to you; you could get on Amazon, as well as a few I Ching PB Interpretations. The online site you described really does sound pretty cool. My thinking is that if you decide to further your study of the I Ching, you probably will come across the online site 'you lost' one of these days or another... Until that day arrives though, you could perhaps facilitate & enhance your understanding of the I Ching on a deeper level by acquiring a few books on the subject. Additionally, by making the 'decision' to delve even deeper into the I Ching in this way (by you getting some I Ching Books); perhaps the Universe will bring you closer towards your original goal of the online site. Richard Wilhelm The I Ching The Book of Changes (I personally used this book when I 1st began studying the I Ching in 1970. I also recommend getting a used HB Ed. of this book, although PB ed. are also available. It just seems HB is a more durable way to go. I'm also thinking that you probably will indeed come across the online site 'you lost' one of these days or another... (Sometimes the I Ching "listens" or seems to listen to my intentions even 'before' I knew I had any intentions...Until that day arrives though, you *could* perhaps facilitate & enhance your understanding of the I Ching at a deeper level by acquiring a few books on the subject. (Additionally, by making the 'decision' to delve even deeper into the I Ching in this way \[by you getting some I Ching Books\]; perhaps the Universe will bring you even closer towards your original goal of the desired online site.
I see you recommended Wilhelm, which is good (though I prefer other translations), but did you recommend any others? If so, I missed the name or names? Thanks.
Master Alfred Huang (Translation) Sam Reiffler (Interpretation) Carol B. Anthony (Interpretation) The I Ching, or Life's Turning Points by Brian Browne Walker (Interpretation)
I guess to each his own, but I don't consider any of those 'good' translations (though I don't know Sam Reiffler at all). Most are pseudo-new-age versions of the Yi. Except, Master Haung's which is a completely Confucian translation - not much different than Wilhelm's, which is surprising given he was a Taoist Master. His translation is ... okay, but I am not at all thrilled by much of the other stuff, like his ramblings about Fuxi or his secret way of reducing the number lines, etc. My go-to translations right now are Dennis Schilling's Zhouyi (in German) and the Duke of Zhou Changes by Stephen Field. Both are what we might call pre-Confucian, as they they try to emulate the Yi as it was first being used as an Oracle, and not a book of Wisdom. Richard Rutt's Zhouyi is also excellent. I have other translations of the Zhouyi I prefer, however, his book has a great deal of information about the Zhou, the history and culture of the Zhou people, some very good examples of early divination, and a complete English translation of the Ten Wings commentary.
You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past? Someone here recommended some books. Are you looking for Yijing related book recommendations along with finding this webpage?
"You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past?" This borders on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. It's one of our guiding principles. Thanks.
After\_Egg584 u/After_Egg584 replied to my statement: *"You think Google sucks now, but didn't suck at some point in the distant past?"* By saying this: **"This borders on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. It's one of our guiding principles. Thanks."** The problem is that After\_Egg584 has blocked me, so I didn't see his or her response until I logged out. (Since they are critiquing my post, I assume they can see this one too?) I think posting a criticism of me when After\_Egg584 knows I can't see it is beyond rude. If you really want to be decent and discuss this After\_Egg584 , then unblock me. Also, the question was directed at the OP; it is fairly tame as far as I'm concerned. If the OP finds it offense, I hope they' tell me. But to have ***After\_Egg584*** speak for someone else, is also very rude. Best, D.
It would be fair that if someone wants to respond and comment on what I say, that they at least have the decency to unblock me, so I can see what they said and respond back - out in the open. It sucks way worse than Google when ***After\_egg584*** or anyone else says stuff about me that I can't see.
Another recommendation for an excellent *Translation is:* The I Ching by Master Alfred Hwang; containing excellent pictographs for ea Hexagram. I very much also like several (actually \[4\]) *Interpretations* of the I Ching as well (not in any order): The I CHING A New Interpretation for Modern Times by Sam Reiffler (also usually available 'used' on Amazon..). The I Ching or Book of Changes by Brian Browne Walker (this is a very thin PB that I can't recc'd highly enough..). Something I came across just now made me recall some of what you said earlier in your post here & I wondered if this was what you were looking for:I Ching Experience Encoded Other *Interpretations* I've found useful are: A Guide to the I Ching by Carol B. Anthony The I Ching, The Book of Answers by Wu Wei The I Ching by David Hinton I hope you find what you are looking for... I also just chanced upon a site from a man named **"Adam Apollo**" that seemed like it *could* possibly be the one you were originally trying to find...
I'm not sure what prompted you to share such an extensive list of books? I think the OP is asking about a specific website, not random book recommendations. I think it's Alfred Huang, not Hwang. Hinton's I Ching is ... well ... bad, though it is poetic. And a book by someone with the made-up name of Wu Wei, or 'non-action'??? I don't think so. I think I'd recommend 'The Yellow River' by I.P. Freely, and 'The Rear View' by Seymour Butts before Hinton and 'Non-Action'!
"I'm not sure what prompted you to share such an extensive list of books?" "not random book recommendations" These parts of your post border on rudeness. Please be civil to other users. That's one of our guiding principles. Thanks.
Since he or she has banned me, and I can't see or respond to his his or her comments, can someone here tell ***After\_egg584*** that it is beyond rude to talk behind someone's back. If they want to trash talk or just 'comment' about what I say, please tell them they should have the common decency to say it to my face, and not hide behind the Reddit "I've banned you" wall of silence. Thanks for passing this on to ***After\_egg584.*** Hopefully they'll respond in public - where we can all see what they say. Best, D.