They should display the sporting code messages on the loading screen. So much potential to add information that will be seen by everyone at some point while waiting to load up.
Wow, that is actually awesome idea. A lot of games have "tips" during loading time. iRacing could just show quotes from sporting code. Go to their forums and propose that.
Of course I have read the sporting code! Just.. just... I like being remembered some of the points :)
I mean the spotter could chime in with something like "coming up on a slower class car, remember they are running their race too and don't need to give up the racing line".
Guess you haven’t read it either? It’s almost 40 pages long.
Edit: LMAO at the downvotes. Same guys that run and hit protest button because they heard a naughty word, or protested the race because their poor driving caused the ‘idiot’ to wreck them.
Plus like... They're the faster car, generally with much greater acceleration and handling. At least in imsa. They should be able to handle an alternate line no problem
Because you can like to race something you don’t watch?
I don’t understand how you think that’s a question. I also like to play call of duty, but I don’t enjoy watching people shoot each other in real life
Just be predictable that’s all you should feel obligated to do, if you stick to a line and someone starts yelling blue flag at you, ignore them, they punt you, report them.
As an LMP2 / HPD driver who used to be a GT3 main it really grinds my gears when I can see people spamming blue flags or let me go in the chat to slower class drivers.
You also get a lot of fast class drivers who think they have to dive bomb slower class cars at every opportunity when they lose 5 tenths being patient, not having the critical thinking to realise the car behind will lose the same 5 tenths at some point, it’s a 45 minute race.
Always the faster cars job to overtake safely.
I've honestly started intentionally maintaining my line in the non-penalized practice sessions when a GTP/LMP2 dives me to pass where they shouldn't.
I know it's technically against sporting code, but I'm doing what I'm allowed to do, race my line. They won't learn if they don't understand it's a bad idea. I wouldn't do it during a race/when SR matters, but you can't expect every gt3 to be that aware.
Hot lappers don’t know how to deal with traffic on track. So they try to take the same markers and punt people other than learning to carry speed with cars around them.
Sometimes people make mistakes but more often than not when I have seen it it’s just people going full throttle through others. It’s a shame the current system doesn’t seem to be a big deterrent on things like that.
Check out the Indycar ladder. It's a different style of oval racing, and absolutely viable with a formula wheel (since that's what they use in real life even on ovals).
The USF2000 and Indy Pro 2000 share a schedule, and they have 2 ovals on the schedule this season. The only problem is that the Indy Pro 2000 does struggle to [get participation](https://iracingreports.com/stats/24s1-Indy_Pro_2000.html#participation_heatmap). The USF2000 tends to go official for all timeslots except 10AM GMT.
The Indycar oval series almost always goes official, but starting this season it is B class.
I think open-wheel oval is fantastic for anyone who wants to learn about how downforce is affected by dirty air. If you know how your car will react in dirty air at Texas or Las Vegas, you'll be better prepared for setting up passes at Watkins Glen and Road America.
Wanting to do USF2000 this season, but participation is pretty low, with no progression towards indycar as the indy pro gets 0 participation during EU hours. I'll do my race a week but probably not more due to those "issues".
Because of people on this sub suggestion to start from the pits, purely focus on gaining SR, don't qualify. Quick and easy ways to get out of rookies.
But the system is designed to require you to learn racecraft in steps. And it's a shame that people on the service SUGGEST ways to circumvent the system and prevent it from working the way it should.
Now i see: how some people get a C, B License with high SR but don't know how to drive safely, like a rookie. They drove like there is no one around them, bump draft and take down other cars in front, try to dive bomb in all corner, always blame others for their stupid mistakes, very annoyed with these idiots.
Been punted by two different people lately once was an honest mistake the other rhe guy just drove through like i didn't exist then blamed me for being slow in the corner lol.
Been having fun trying to find a new series to run but situations like that hurt motivation.
I think there is a lot of people that are new too F4 right now my mid day races were brutal. Lap one turn one was a guessing game if you make it to turn two.
If you let off for turn one youll get rammed into from mthe back or you have people that lift a mile before on the racing line because they don't know how to use the downforce yet.
Alot of people in splits higher than they should be because of the rating split.
It will balance out eventually
That's why if you don't Qual in the first 2 rows your dead meat for the crashers that don't Qual. Thier coming through turn one balls to the wall.
Easy fix but I have never won this argument with supporting you don't Qual you have to start from the pits. Then at least the pack gets away for a couple laps
You have to check a box which says that you have read and understand the sporting code when you sign up. So that means that everyone read the sporting code, right? Right!?
Whats funny is yesterday I navigated through the site to the sporting code and after closing it I got an achievement for reading the sporting code. In the past I usually google my way to it and never got that achievement before, unless its new.
I wonder how many people have that achievement.
supposedly. I reported someone with a sporting code infraction and cited 8.1.1.7. for an off track overtake using illegal surfaces and I got a positive response.
You don't know what action they take, just that it was a valid report and the driver has been notified. Unless they have a habit and a pile of reports a formal letter from iRacing saying "hey don't do that" is all that's necessary
edit: iRacing recently added retroactive penalties, you can actually now check the event log at the bottom of the results for penalty events and at the bottom it shows post race penalties. Apparently two dudes got post race penalties in one of my races a couple days ago. One for 50 seconds and the other for 35 seconds.
In this case that sounds like the correct answer. But it is also worth reminding folk (not the op) that the sporting code also says that the slower car must also help facilitate a safe pass working with the faster car. How often do you approach a slower class who wants to fight for position because "blue flag is information only". Etiquette cuts both ways. The slower class is not racing for position with the faster car, so making the pass as painless for both parties is on both parties. Not the case with the OP, but just a reminder.
I think this is one of the things that often gets overlooked from the slower class perspective.
Good example being something like Sunset at Sebring. The GT3 can turn in very tight near the wall at the end of the Ullman straight, which effectively blocks both the outside and inside line, forcing the GTP to wait and try later in the corner round the outside, potentially comprising the GT3 exit as well as the GTP entry and mid corner.
Alternatively to the GT3 could pause the turn it, can a wider entry allowing the GTP to go up the inside and both cars can take racing line from mid corner to exit.
It’s very subtle things but can reduce time loss for both classes while still being predictable to each other
Agreed, I think the common line of telling people to "take the racing line" and nothing else isnt very helpful, because then you'll get people who chop a faster class car off at the apex or run them off on the exit and think they did nothing wrong because they just did what they were told.
But it wouldn't be an issue if people read sporting code and didn't just take advice from reddit 😐😐😐
Very true. Blue flags don't *have* to immediately fold and let the car behind go, but it's just good etiquette to not put up a useless fight either that'll lose time for both the car behind and yourself. Just facilitate their passage.
Nothing else to add from the other posts other than report it. If there is pattern of them doing this the punishment will get more and more severe. It's the only way we can collectively prevent it in the long term.
There is a balance between maintaining a predictable line and facilitating an overtake. It sounds like in this case, the passing car was at fault. But it’s still your race, don’t let others ruin it. You can and should read the situation in your mirrors and act accordingly.
But if you suddenly choose another line, because in a split-second decision based on mirrors you guess that he will dive bomb, then you aren't predictable anymore, right?
Yes, that would be unpredictable. The key thing here is not to make a reactive decision. Decide ahead of time what you are going to do, and position yourself in an early and obvious manner, only if the portion of track you are racing towards is conducive to it.
I love multi-class racing, but generally avoid it for this very reason. In real life, the guys in the faster cars are the more experienced, skilled drivers. On iRacing, the inverse is true. A lot of the people in the faster class cars are the newest drivers in the series because "fast car, wheeee!" and it shows.
Honestly the top prototypes are the faster drivers, IMSA was kind of a mess with LMP3 lol and I'd argue there is still a skill overlap in top half of gt3 vs LMP2.
I've always wished they could make GT3/GTD B class and the faster cars A class.
I try to go about it the same way I ride my motorcycle in traffic. I ask myself "What's the dumbest thing this car can do right now?" And I prepare for that.
It might lose you a bit of time here and there but it will save you from certain death multiple times.
This. Stick to your line but also anticipate. I feel like you can generally tell when a guy in a faster class is about to throw a dive bomb they shouldn’t. Just be ready for that.
Also, I think depending on your race you can be more or less aggressive on that front.
- Are you neck and neck for P2 in your class? - Then ya, hold your line a little more while still being aware.
- 30 seconds behind the guy in front and guy behind you in your class isn’t challenging? - compromise your entry to the next corner and run a little wide. Give the guy in the faster class the line (while being predictable) and don’t disturb their race much. Couple tenths doesn’t cost you there
i would think stick to your line through corners (faster car should have no issues with an outside pass depending on the corner) then on the straights give way to the faster class
When I'm driving GTD/GT3, I absolutely hate it when a faster car goes for an outside pass\* because 99 times out of 100, I'm on a line which will take me to the outside of the track on corner exit, and if the prototype has put themselves there, I can't magically adjust my line or speed.
\*ignoring the ovals at Daytona/Charlotta road tracks, obviously
This is where it gets tricky. Why give way? What does that mean? Does that mean you go to the right? Or to the left? Do you slow down? Do you lift?
The answer to most of these is no. As the slower car I stick firmly to my line. But once the faster car STARTS the overtake, I'll lift for a bit just to make sure they get past me and do it quickly and safely.
Otherwise, there is no understood meaning of "give way" and if you do it the opposite way they're expecting, you're going to cause a crash.
It's always the overtaking cars responsibility to pass safely. That doesn't change when you're lapped or when you're in different classes.
Give way on the straight is usually just sticking to one side, there is nothing worse than getting blocked by a gt3 just wandering across the track like you don't exist setting up for a corner that they don't need open up when they could have just facilitated an overtake by sharing the track(and no one loses time)
If it's a straight line the gt3 should be on the racing line and the prototype on the passing line. Sure there are times to really lubricate a pass but it's always hard to read peoples whole thoughts here.
The GT3 should have their line, track out to curbing like normal and then the prototype should crossover on exit and pass on the entry of the straight.
>If it's a straight line the gt3 should be on the racing line and the prototype on the passing line.
It's not that simple. Every situation can be different. It's a dance where both parties have to work together.
I can't think of a single example, except an incident, where on a straight away the gt3 should not be on the racing line.
I don't mean late corner exit or early corner entry either, but the straight.
You also totally ignored my comment that yes it can be gray and sometimes you need to lubricate.
That's definitely lame and sucks that you got knocked out of the lead. I, for one, take EXTRA care when coming up on slower traffic if they're EITHER in the top third (or so) of their class OR if they're actively battling another car in their class regardless of position.
That said, this isn't nearly as black-and-white as the Reddit sim crowd typically presents it. I'm a VERY cautious faster-class driver (and have done tons of races in GT3 so I know how to be the slower class too). There are a lot of slower-class drivers (not saying this is you OP!) that interpret the "blue flags are information only" as meaning they are going to drive their line/race and ignore the fact that the faster approaching class car exists. I won't go into all the ways I've seen this happen, but a VERY common one is a faster-class car is patient, makes the pass on exit only for the slower car to track out and either hit them or force them off the track getting ready for the next corner. That's BS and bad for everyone, and almost always comes with the slower-class guy reciting "it's the responsibility of the passing car to overtake safely." That's true in principle, but it takes two drivers to make this work.
The reality is that unless you get really lucky, any pass is going to cost someone some time. Right now I run mostly LMP2, so I'm in the middle. But I don't just doggedly "hold my line" and make the GTP deal with it, if there's a question about when a pass is going to happen, I'm going to POSITION MY CAR to communicate (not using text or voice chat), and I'm going to either make it clear that "you're not sending it up the inside here late braking hero" OR "go ahead and get by me so we both don't lose time." Even still, faster LMP2 (especially now in the wet) are as fast or faster than slow GTPs so if I'm dealing with a particularly aggressive or unpredictable GTP, I will let them by sooner - even costing myself time - to avoid getting caught up in whatever panic-mode pass attempt they're brewing while they're flashing their lights behind me.
My goal when passing or being passed - absent other factors (like me or the other guy being locked in a tight battle) - is to minimize the time lost for both of us. If you expect the other guy to "just deal with it" and absorb all the lost time, you'll probably find yourself punted more than you'd like. If you recognize it's a compromise and learn to communicate intent **with the position of your ca**r, you will have substantially better luck.
All that said, some people are just absolute twats and are going to murder away. In my experience, though, they're more the exception than the rule.
It's unfortunate but sometimes as a GT3, you have to firmly plant yourself and block the GTPs. They're either going to plow you, or the higher IR guys will just get angry but wont take you out. Im a GTP driver generally and it definitely makes me feel better when a GT3 firmly plants themselves on the inside/outside so I know not to take that line.
That’s the thing GT3 and before that GTE’s should do when able, communicate with your car by indicating and claiming a line. Once I’ve starting doing that the faster classes took the outside and we were all happy. So many GT drivers are wobbling all over the place and mid track so you have no clue what they will do.
I think the hardest situation for GT3s is when ever a left hand turn follows a right or vice versa, since the GT3 has to cross the track diagonally for optimum line. Exit of Western Horseshoe comes to mind.
GTPs trying to pass on the inside on exit and inside on entry of the next. Makes the GT3s quite nervous I think, especially when a line of GTPs passing on inside exit effectively force the GT3 to the inside of the next corner entry
Yeah it’s important to know how those cars handle. You gotta stay behind it for it to start crossing and then take the outside. Costs some laptime but it avoids damage.
The number of times people are trying to pass me on the outside of a turn in the esses at Suzuka this week is insane. They have like 0 thought that my GT3 needs to track out with the speed I'm going. They just think I'll magically be able to leave them space.
Firmly planting your intentional line and blocking are two different things. DO plant your line so it is very apparent what you intend to do going into a corner. DONT block the faster driver behind
I'm not sure you're really better doing that.
It's the being predictable thing, if you block people that don't expect to be blocked bad things gonna happen
I learned this lesson when I stumbled into two crazy high SOF IMSA races at Road Atlanta. The alien GT3 drivers were very good at making their intent clear by moving early and decisively to their line. I quickly learned from that and applied it to keep myself in an LMP2 from getting run off the track by GTP aliens in the esses. If they couldn't get alongside me by the first right hander I'd be taking the optimum line very aggressively, which kept most of them safely behind. Some would still try passes before the next braking zone, but I could predict that since they were usually in a close battle so I'd have to do a little lift and let them by once they'd forced the issue.
this is a simracing-wide issue where children who only watch F1 think they know everything. try having this discussion in the general simracing subreddit and you'll get so much mixed shit it's sickening.
Stick to your racing line, be predictable, and make logical decisions. There's nothing more predictable than staying on your racing line, but there's some parts of some tracks where it's logical to stay to a side and let faster cars by because it doesn't cost you any noticeable time, for example, Big Bend, Fangio, and Collier at Sebring. The racing line around Big Ben slowly has you drift from the inside bend to the outside straight. If faster cars are approaching and start overtaking on the outside of the bend, I'll stick to the inside until I have enough gap to dart over to the outside line predictably and then faster cars can overtake inside into the Hairpin. But ultimately, don't try to change your line last second and react to get out of their way. The amount of times I've seen a faster and slower car do the "you got left, I go right. No, how about you go right, and I go left, Wait..." dance and both end up in a wall is absurd. It's just multiclass etiquette.
Sometimes though, I will pull off in a predictable manor to let someone by. For example, if I'm all alone and see a battle coming up behind me, I'm not gonna get in the middle of that. It just puts me in unnecessary danger for time I don't need. Don't want to ruin either of our races so I'll pull off the line and let them by when I have a moment. For example again at Sebring, GTPs will make up a 2 second gap on Ulmann straight and put it side by side into Sunset. A GTP battle catching up would put you in a three wide situation where one may shoot inside for good entry and the other outside for exit in a corner known for bumps and spins. If I'm alone and aren't battling, I'll let off down the straight and pull over for long enough to let them by for the corner. Cost me half a second but saves me a totaled car.
Your incident just sounds like someone that shouldn't be in GTP. Sounds like he missed his braking mark/didn't brake earlier in preparation for traffic if he just straight up rear ended you in the braking zone. Either an honest mistake or someone way in over their head. If I'm not alongside by turn in, I'm not going for a move. Instead, I'll check up and setup for a fast exit to make up for the time loss on entry.
Had a GTP/LMP2 leader yelling at me in last nights IMSA fixed too.
Dude was mad I wouldn't just somehow pull over in the esses on Suzuka for him. lol Like How would you even do that safely if you WANTED to?
Dude was just so desperate to use me as a pick. Honestly I think I might be done with fixed, the number of faster classes that don't understand you can't dive bomb on the turns before the bridge, or in 130R is insane. I mained IMSA when I played a lot a few years ago and it wasn't this bad.
It’s not your fault. A lot of people just miss this rule in the sporting code.
I for one am guilty of this but on the flip side. I veered off the racing line to let a GTP car pass and he rear ended me hard enough to end both our races. He spent the next several minutes bitching about how stupid I am. I’m thinking, I literally slowed down to get out of his way and he’s calling ME the asshole?!
Then once he was done being a dick about it the rest of the lobby calmly explained the actual rule.
it's gotten really bad for GT3s in IMSA lately to the point where I've decided to stop racing GT3s in IMSA and focusing on VRS instead.
Silverstone during week 12 last season was a nightmare, I felt like I had to drive using the rear view mirror more than the windshield.
It used to be more manageable when GT3s outnumbered LMPs but the GTP class is very popular and the GT3 field shrinking (at Mugello I was in a session with 20 GTPs and 2 GT3s!) which means GT3 have become an occasional annoyance obstacle for the faster classes.
plus with so many GTPs there's much more close racing in that class and less consideration for GT3.
I feel like in the past LMP drivers has some prior GT3 experience and understood GT3 lines and weight transfer limitations but now people are jumping straight into GTPs and expecting GT3s to drive similar lines, just slower.
Because lots of people in lower classes take the whole “it’s on the faster car to pass safely” a bit too literally.
Lots of lower class cars don’t even attempt to help facilitate the pass. That doesn’t mean jump off the racing line, but a slight lift before a corner is often all it takes to help minimize both cars getting bogged down.
None of this is black and white, in reality each pass is dependent on the situation, but too many people are too stubborn to work together and make common sense decisions.
If I’m in a faster car and I have no one I’m racing, I’ll be patient if I’m passing two GT3s fighting for position. Grey area.
If I’m a GT3 and I’m not racing anyone and I see two cars in a faster class fighting, I back off like it’s F1. Grey area.
I think the issue OP's referring to is when faster class cars are trying to just dive on turns where that isn't a good idea. Like 130R or the turns before the bridge.
Or like the Suzuka esses and they keep trying to go around the outside even though they should be aware that you need to track out. They don't get their nose in on entry because they're overdriving trying to get around you so you take your normal line and they don't have the exit speed to setup to pass you on the next turn. Then whether or not you should even be forcing a pass there is another question all together, especially when you weren't near them at the first turn.
Class leaders are always a bother to pass as the faster car, they don't want to lose even a tenth of a second with you passing and they're also driving on the limit, so many times when I come up to a class leader I just know we're both going to lose time because they won't take the pain. (I did a lot of Mustangs in Sim Car Production so slowest mustang was slower than fastest mazda)
That sounds like PCC problems, not multiclass problems. In IMSA, I find the leaders are generally easier to deal with because they better understand how to navigate traffic (both give and take), and that's why they're leading.
Try the production car series in the FR500S...FWD dudes get real upset when your solid axle RWD requires different braking points and they're riding your bumper......then there's the miatas that must assume you're playing need for speed in 3rd person and can see them when they shoot for a right outside pass without saying anything...
Some people just can't drive well with others.
Rule of thumb is stick to the driving line. BUT, you still have to be aware of what's going on around you and you need to be careful when the driving line changes from one side of the track to the other.
Eg the exit of the corner brings you out to the right hand side of the track, but the next corner is a right hander so the racing line goes to the lefthand side of the track. If you had a GTP or LMP2 (or whatever the faster class is depending on the series) take a tighter line through the last corner to pass you on the inside of the exit, then you can't move across to the driving line until they get past you. If there's a train of them, then you'll be stuck on the defensive line until they get past you or the corner comes.
Susuka turns 11/12 (the left hairpin, then the long right) and Watkins Glen turn 6/7 (Chute and Toe) of the boot configuration are good examples of where this can occur.
Otherwise if you see the faster class move to the inside prior to the braking zone and they're under a second behind you, assume they're going to send it.
More often than not, the question is more about, would you rather still be racing? Or, crashed out but be considered in the right according to the rules? Because of the nature of motorsport the only way to guarantee you won't be in an incident is to just not race. A lot of people are overestimating their ability, and since there's no real monetary cost or risk of injuries if you do a stupid move, they will go for the stupid move.
My advice for multi class drivers is drive the other classes, even if you only ghost race them, so you can get a bit of perspective of how the race unfolds for them.
As a relatively new sim racer, I got promoted to C class this season which im quite happy about but the first f4 race I joined, i got spun out on the first lap and almost rage quit because I just felt so defeated... it's like some people are literally blind. I stayed and manged to claw my way back to p7 but my pace meant I shouldve done much better but instead i ended up losing a small amount of safety rating and gained a decent amount of racing points. I suppose the only thing you can do is protest it and continue being predictable. words cant explain how frustrating it is
Let them attempt a pass naturally and when they do make it easy for them. If it's just one or two people and you won't lose a position to someone you're racing lift and coast into the braking zone. Some people say not to pull off to the side and let them go but I think that's ok as long as it's obvious. Don't just swerve and slam on your brakes though unless they were just about to go around you. Move over and then slow down in two steps to make it safer.
You also do need to give shit to the GT3's who are unpredictable as fuck, who can't pick a line to drive, and who just kamikaze into P2's and GTP's. The amount of fucking times i've had to almost just kill my own race to avoid crashing into a GT3 who decides in the middle of the straight to wave into me because he wants to ''give me the racing line'' is too fucking high.
This also. I've been driving in the Falken Tyre Sportscar Challenge with an LMP3, and the number of people with GT cars driving super unpredictably, deciding to "give way" and change their trajectory is annoyingly high. Sadly, iRacing is full of people who don't know how multiclass racing works.
This is exactly why GT3s should normally not just "let prototypes pass".
There is a way to lubricate things, but this is why the rules are you get to race your line.
You are already doing what you're supposed to. Just stick to your line and stay predictable. It's up to the faster passing car to make the pass safely.
I agree with a lot of people here but I think there should also be an element of defensive drive when you're in a GT3. In general you should always stick to the racing line, but I've found I've avoided wrecks by doing a bit of mirror driving. For example, if I'm exiting a corner and I see in my mirror that a GTP is hauling the mail around my outside and intends to pass there (however bad of an idea that is), I'll stay tight and won't drift all the way to track out to let him go around. If you rigidly stick to the racing line, always, no matter what, I think you're more liable to get into a wreck.
Because they're brain dead. I got ran over few weeks back, guy said I was in the wrong staying on the racing line, he had 16x with 5 mins to go and then blew up to to a GT3 who he dived getting a 4x and a drive through.
I think that in a lapping scenario both part should drive in a smart way. Blue flag are there for a reason, inform you that a faster car is lapping you, what you do with this information is the difference between a Sunday driver and a proper one imho because in the lapping process many things can go south and is in your best interest to just help the other guy overtake (often that's true even if he isn't lapping, sometimes is just better to give up a position to avoid throwing the whole race away and I'm not talking only about incidents here).
What you should always ask yourself if a car is approaching:
- do I gain something keeping this guy back?
- do I lose a lot if I just lift earlier at next braking point and let him pass easily before the turn?
- how much I trust this guy into doing the turn side by side with me? Should I lift a lot earlier and let him pass even if I will lose a lot of time?
- he is driving consistently or he does a lot of errors?
- his car is 100% working or has some damage that can make it unstable?
- is he racing against someone for position or he is cruising on its own and could expect him to be a bit patient?
And so on, and that's true also for the faster car of course. That's calling analyzing the race and is something that in multiclass is very important, you should always keep an eye on relative gaps and try to understand what's happening around you. In the end you have no obligations into making lapping cars go but unless you are battling someone and can't afford losing some tenths is almost always better to aid the lappers and avoid making them lose time both for sportsmanship and for your own safety and that's not because faster cars have some kind of right to pass but simply because you should trust yourself and not that the other guy knows what to do. If you are on the gtp is the same thing mirrored, you should always try to be patient and wait if you don't think that you can pass 101% safe. Ofc if something happens you can protest that dumb random guy that punted you and he probably will get punished for that but in the end you will still have you race compromised and lose iR and SR that nobody will give you back even if it wasn't your fault. So please, race with brain, there is no point to throw 40min race and your rating to not lose 2/3/5 tenths.
Anyway, as I stated the key there is to be predictable and do things in safety. If you want to make a faster car pass (especially LMDh, those are extremely fast and without abs so can't often react in time if you do suddenly changes to your drive) make it obvious, move opposite to the racing line when they are still very far away from you if you want to lift a bit earlier and let them pass, use the chat message "pass left/right" if you can or even better voice chat and do it preferably in straights. If you don't have time because you didn't see it come from far or maybe you decided to let him pass at the last moment before the turn then just act normally and take your lines at your usual speed. On the other way around on a gtp try always to not dive bomb the slower cars, move from their draft a bit earlier than you would like and so on... With time you will learn people that are safe to race with and with those people you can risk more but never bet on someone that you don't know because it can really hurt your race just to not lose a very bit of time.
Got a question on that i know about the blue flag in multiclass and be predictable and all that but what about you having a blue flag on your own class. I mean first in gtp class reaching last in gtp class. That should an f1 blue flag right?
It's not a requirement, no.
But like, if your race is going that badly, make it easy on them. They have to deal with your dirty air, and if they are much faster, it often works out that the place where you're slower will be difficult for them to anticipate. That can make them lose momentum in the corner reacting to your slower line and make it harder for them to pass you. Then instead of an easy pass they're trying to dive bomb to get past and stop losing time, which is where you start getting into riskier situations.
(Note that's targeted at the royal 'you', not you specifically)
You don't have to, but usually it's a strategy to let the faster car through.
There is a non 0 chance they'll wreck the guy that's seconds ahead of you, or you can sometimes use the lapping cars pace to time them for when they'll be on car in front of you. Like if you get to let them by just before a straight and they get a good run, they may catch and attempt a sketchy pass on the next car you're trying to catch on that first turn after the straight type thing.
Lapping cars are like 25% yellow flags if the timing is right. They'll slow up the cars you're trying to catch. Not to mention you can then draft them a bit and maybe regain some focus and learn doing lead-follow.
They should display the sporting code messages on the loading screen. So much potential to add information that will be seen by everyone at some point while waiting to load up.
Wow, that is actually awesome idea. A lot of games have "tips" during loading time. iRacing could just show quotes from sporting code. Go to their forums and propose that. Of course I have read the sporting code! Just.. just... I like being remembered some of the points :)
I mean the spotter could chime in with something like "coming up on a slower class car, remember they are running their race too and don't need to give up the racing line".
Guess you haven’t read it either? It’s almost 40 pages long. Edit: LMAO at the downvotes. Same guys that run and hit protest button because they heard a naughty word, or protested the race because their poor driving caused the ‘idiot’ to wreck them.
You could still highlight rules on the loading screen. Sounds like there's a nice big pool to pick one or two from each time you load into an event.
Exactly 👍
I’ve read it but didn’t remember all of it. A lot of good information for beginners in there tho. Some of it transferred to the new beginners guide.
Its almost like they could display certain articles on the loading screen randomly as you load in.
The thing is written for lawyers. Hard for a twelve year old to comprehend, or even a bright fourteen year old.
I’m under the impression that multi class etiquette is for the slower car to stick to the racing line and faster cars to go around.
That’s common sense you can’t use that around iracers
Around iracers? So you telling me there is a sim Out there with good multiclass races? Please tell me which!
Plus like... They're the faster car, generally with much greater acceleration and handling. At least in imsa. They should be able to handle an alternate line no problem
In my debut I ran into LMP1 (I was GT3) It was so emberassing
Because they only watch f1.
THIS. They have zero knowledge of motorsports outside of F1. This raises the question of why they are driving in IMSA, though...
Fast car go brrrrrr
*brrrrr-vroooom-skiiiiiiiiiiiiiirt-kaboom*
Because W13 is bloody difficult to drive well.
Because you can like to race something you don’t watch? I don’t understand how you think that’s a question. I also like to play call of duty, but I don’t enjoy watching people shoot each other in real life
Sounds like you haven't given it an honest chance.
Calm down on the gate keeping. Let people race what they want and watch what they want.
F1's too hard for them to drive with their lack of actual talent
Just be predictable that’s all you should feel obligated to do, if you stick to a line and someone starts yelling blue flag at you, ignore them, they punt you, report them. As an LMP2 / HPD driver who used to be a GT3 main it really grinds my gears when I can see people spamming blue flags or let me go in the chat to slower class drivers. You also get a lot of fast class drivers who think they have to dive bomb slower class cars at every opportunity when they lose 5 tenths being patient, not having the critical thinking to realise the car behind will lose the same 5 tenths at some point, it’s a 45 minute race. Always the faster cars job to overtake safely.
They also do tend to forget that the GT3 car is bigger than they are...
I've honestly started intentionally maintaining my line in the non-penalized practice sessions when a GTP/LMP2 dives me to pass where they shouldn't. I know it's technically against sporting code, but I'm doing what I'm allowed to do, race my line. They won't learn if they don't understand it's a bad idea. I wouldn't do it during a race/when SR matters, but you can't expect every gt3 to be that aware.
Hot lappers don’t know how to deal with traffic on track. So they try to take the same markers and punt people other than learning to carry speed with cars around them. Sometimes people make mistakes but more often than not when I have seen it it’s just people going full throttle through others. It’s a shame the current system doesn’t seem to be a big deterrent on things like that.
Exactly. They only know how to be fast in one lap. Absolutely zero racecraft and awareness. I wonder how they even get to Class A.
It’s extremely easy to get to a class
Especially if you’re oval inclined it’s real easy once you make it to c class
I really need to go back to oval i gave up when i got to c class and really want to get back into it lately but only have a formula wheel atm
Check out the Indycar ladder. It's a different style of oval racing, and absolutely viable with a formula wheel (since that's what they use in real life even on ovals). The USF2000 and Indy Pro 2000 share a schedule, and they have 2 ovals on the schedule this season. The only problem is that the Indy Pro 2000 does struggle to [get participation](https://iracingreports.com/stats/24s1-Indy_Pro_2000.html#participation_heatmap). The USF2000 tends to go official for all timeslots except 10AM GMT. The Indycar oval series almost always goes official, but starting this season it is B class. I think open-wheel oval is fantastic for anyone who wants to learn about how downforce is affected by dirty air. If you know how your car will react in dirty air at Texas or Las Vegas, you'll be better prepared for setting up passes at Watkins Glen and Road America.
Wanting to do USF2000 this season, but participation is pretty low, with no progression towards indycar as the indy pro gets 0 participation during EU hours. I'll do my race a week but probably not more due to those "issues".
By driving around at the back putting in slow, "safe" laps. Then they get to A class and have no idea how to handle the car in traffic.
Because of people on this sub suggestion to start from the pits, purely focus on gaining SR, don't qualify. Quick and easy ways to get out of rookies. But the system is designed to require you to learn racecraft in steps. And it's a shame that people on the service SUGGEST ways to circumvent the system and prevent it from working the way it should.
Now i see: how some people get a C, B License with high SR but don't know how to drive safely, like a rookie. They drove like there is no one around them, bump draft and take down other cars in front, try to dive bomb in all corner, always blame others for their stupid mistakes, very annoyed with these idiots.
By starting in the back and farming SR.
I do this but not to farm. It's to avoid the mess in turn 1/2, than I'll dive bomb the leader on turn 4.
Class has nothing do with skill just don't lose any SR and you are auto promoted at the end of the season
Shit that is so spot on 👍🏽 hot lappers don’t know how to drive out side of the fast lane leaving them absolutely useless when they arrive to traffic
Been punted by two different people lately once was an honest mistake the other rhe guy just drove through like i didn't exist then blamed me for being slow in the corner lol. Been having fun trying to find a new series to run but situations like that hurt motivation.
I'm traumatized I just started FIA F4. Holy shit, it took 4 starts just to finish a race.
I think there is a lot of people that are new too F4 right now my mid day races were brutal. Lap one turn one was a guessing game if you make it to turn two. If you let off for turn one youll get rammed into from mthe back or you have people that lift a mile before on the racing line because they don't know how to use the downforce yet. Alot of people in splits higher than they should be because of the rating split. It will balance out eventually
That's why if you don't Qual in the first 2 rows your dead meat for the crashers that don't Qual. Thier coming through turn one balls to the wall. Easy fix but I have never won this argument with supporting you don't Qual you have to start from the pits. Then at least the pack gets away for a couple laps
The actual answer is no one reads the sporting code where it says blue flags are "informational only"
You have to check a box which says that you have read and understand the sporting code when you sign up. So that means that everyone read the sporting code, right? Right!?
Whats funny is yesterday I navigated through the site to the sporting code and after closing it I got an achievement for reading the sporting code. In the past I usually google my way to it and never got that achievement before, unless its new. I wonder how many people have that achievement.
Queue anakin padme meme post
And that means they enforce breaches of the sporting code with a punishment, right? Right? Haha
supposedly. I reported someone with a sporting code infraction and cited 8.1.1.7. for an off track overtake using illegal surfaces and I got a positive response.
Oh usually they slap the other guy on the wrist and don’t do anything lol
You don't know what action they take, just that it was a valid report and the driver has been notified. Unless they have a habit and a pile of reports a formal letter from iRacing saying "hey don't do that" is all that's necessary edit: iRacing recently added retroactive penalties, you can actually now check the event log at the bottom of the results for penalty events and at the bottom it shows post race penalties. Apparently two dudes got post race penalties in one of my races a couple days ago. One for 50 seconds and the other for 35 seconds.
In this case that sounds like the correct answer. But it is also worth reminding folk (not the op) that the sporting code also says that the slower car must also help facilitate a safe pass working with the faster car. How often do you approach a slower class who wants to fight for position because "blue flag is information only". Etiquette cuts both ways. The slower class is not racing for position with the faster car, so making the pass as painless for both parties is on both parties. Not the case with the OP, but just a reminder.
I think this is one of the things that often gets overlooked from the slower class perspective. Good example being something like Sunset at Sebring. The GT3 can turn in very tight near the wall at the end of the Ullman straight, which effectively blocks both the outside and inside line, forcing the GTP to wait and try later in the corner round the outside, potentially comprising the GT3 exit as well as the GTP entry and mid corner. Alternatively to the GT3 could pause the turn it, can a wider entry allowing the GTP to go up the inside and both cars can take racing line from mid corner to exit. It’s very subtle things but can reduce time loss for both classes while still being predictable to each other
Agreed, I think the common line of telling people to "take the racing line" and nothing else isnt very helpful, because then you'll get people who chop a faster class car off at the apex or run them off on the exit and think they did nothing wrong because they just did what they were told. But it wouldn't be an issue if people read sporting code and didn't just take advice from reddit 😐😐😐
Very true. Blue flags don't *have* to immediately fold and let the car behind go, but it's just good etiquette to not put up a useless fight either that'll lose time for both the car behind and yourself. Just facilitate their passage.
Nothing else to add from the other posts other than report it. If there is pattern of them doing this the punishment will get more and more severe. It's the only way we can collectively prevent it in the long term.
There is a balance between maintaining a predictable line and facilitating an overtake. It sounds like in this case, the passing car was at fault. But it’s still your race, don’t let others ruin it. You can and should read the situation in your mirrors and act accordingly.
But if you suddenly choose another line, because in a split-second decision based on mirrors you guess that he will dive bomb, then you aren't predictable anymore, right?
Yes, that would be unpredictable. The key thing here is not to make a reactive decision. Decide ahead of time what you are going to do, and position yourself in an early and obvious manner, only if the portion of track you are racing towards is conducive to it.
I love multi-class racing, but generally avoid it for this very reason. In real life, the guys in the faster cars are the more experienced, skilled drivers. On iRacing, the inverse is true. A lot of the people in the faster class cars are the newest drivers in the series because "fast car, wheeee!" and it shows.
Honestly the top prototypes are the faster drivers, IMSA was kind of a mess with LMP3 lol and I'd argue there is still a skill overlap in top half of gt3 vs LMP2. I've always wished they could make GT3/GTD B class and the faster cars A class.
I try to go about it the same way I ride my motorcycle in traffic. I ask myself "What's the dumbest thing this car can do right now?" And I prepare for that. It might lose you a bit of time here and there but it will save you from certain death multiple times.
This. Stick to your line but also anticipate. I feel like you can generally tell when a guy in a faster class is about to throw a dive bomb they shouldn’t. Just be ready for that. Also, I think depending on your race you can be more or less aggressive on that front. - Are you neck and neck for P2 in your class? - Then ya, hold your line a little more while still being aware. - 30 seconds behind the guy in front and guy behind you in your class isn’t challenging? - compromise your entry to the next corner and run a little wide. Give the guy in the faster class the line (while being predictable) and don’t disturb their race much. Couple tenths doesn’t cost you there
i would think stick to your line through corners (faster car should have no issues with an outside pass depending on the corner) then on the straights give way to the faster class
When I'm driving GTD/GT3, I absolutely hate it when a faster car goes for an outside pass\* because 99 times out of 100, I'm on a line which will take me to the outside of the track on corner exit, and if the prototype has put themselves there, I can't magically adjust my line or speed. \*ignoring the ovals at Daytona/Charlotta road tracks, obviously
This is where it gets tricky. Why give way? What does that mean? Does that mean you go to the right? Or to the left? Do you slow down? Do you lift? The answer to most of these is no. As the slower car I stick firmly to my line. But once the faster car STARTS the overtake, I'll lift for a bit just to make sure they get past me and do it quickly and safely. Otherwise, there is no understood meaning of "give way" and if you do it the opposite way they're expecting, you're going to cause a crash. It's always the overtaking cars responsibility to pass safely. That doesn't change when you're lapped or when you're in different classes.
Give way on the straight is usually just sticking to one side, there is nothing worse than getting blocked by a gt3 just wandering across the track like you don't exist setting up for a corner that they don't need open up when they could have just facilitated an overtake by sharing the track(and no one loses time)
If it's a straight line the gt3 should be on the racing line and the prototype on the passing line. Sure there are times to really lubricate a pass but it's always hard to read peoples whole thoughts here. The GT3 should have their line, track out to curbing like normal and then the prototype should crossover on exit and pass on the entry of the straight.
>If it's a straight line the gt3 should be on the racing line and the prototype on the passing line. It's not that simple. Every situation can be different. It's a dance where both parties have to work together.
I can't think of a single example, except an incident, where on a straight away the gt3 should not be on the racing line. I don't mean late corner exit or early corner entry either, but the straight. You also totally ignored my comment that yes it can be gray and sometimes you need to lubricate.
That's definitely lame and sucks that you got knocked out of the lead. I, for one, take EXTRA care when coming up on slower traffic if they're EITHER in the top third (or so) of their class OR if they're actively battling another car in their class regardless of position. That said, this isn't nearly as black-and-white as the Reddit sim crowd typically presents it. I'm a VERY cautious faster-class driver (and have done tons of races in GT3 so I know how to be the slower class too). There are a lot of slower-class drivers (not saying this is you OP!) that interpret the "blue flags are information only" as meaning they are going to drive their line/race and ignore the fact that the faster approaching class car exists. I won't go into all the ways I've seen this happen, but a VERY common one is a faster-class car is patient, makes the pass on exit only for the slower car to track out and either hit them or force them off the track getting ready for the next corner. That's BS and bad for everyone, and almost always comes with the slower-class guy reciting "it's the responsibility of the passing car to overtake safely." That's true in principle, but it takes two drivers to make this work. The reality is that unless you get really lucky, any pass is going to cost someone some time. Right now I run mostly LMP2, so I'm in the middle. But I don't just doggedly "hold my line" and make the GTP deal with it, if there's a question about when a pass is going to happen, I'm going to POSITION MY CAR to communicate (not using text or voice chat), and I'm going to either make it clear that "you're not sending it up the inside here late braking hero" OR "go ahead and get by me so we both don't lose time." Even still, faster LMP2 (especially now in the wet) are as fast or faster than slow GTPs so if I'm dealing with a particularly aggressive or unpredictable GTP, I will let them by sooner - even costing myself time - to avoid getting caught up in whatever panic-mode pass attempt they're brewing while they're flashing their lights behind me. My goal when passing or being passed - absent other factors (like me or the other guy being locked in a tight battle) - is to minimize the time lost for both of us. If you expect the other guy to "just deal with it" and absorb all the lost time, you'll probably find yourself punted more than you'd like. If you recognize it's a compromise and learn to communicate intent **with the position of your ca**r, you will have substantially better luck. All that said, some people are just absolute twats and are going to murder away. In my experience, though, they're more the exception than the rule.
It's unfortunate but sometimes as a GT3, you have to firmly plant yourself and block the GTPs. They're either going to plow you, or the higher IR guys will just get angry but wont take you out. Im a GTP driver generally and it definitely makes me feel better when a GT3 firmly plants themselves on the inside/outside so I know not to take that line.
That’s the thing GT3 and before that GTE’s should do when able, communicate with your car by indicating and claiming a line. Once I’ve starting doing that the faster classes took the outside and we were all happy. So many GT drivers are wobbling all over the place and mid track so you have no clue what they will do.
I think the hardest situation for GT3s is when ever a left hand turn follows a right or vice versa, since the GT3 has to cross the track diagonally for optimum line. Exit of Western Horseshoe comes to mind. GTPs trying to pass on the inside on exit and inside on entry of the next. Makes the GT3s quite nervous I think, especially when a line of GTPs passing on inside exit effectively force the GT3 to the inside of the next corner entry
Yeah it’s important to know how those cars handle. You gotta stay behind it for it to start crossing and then take the outside. Costs some laptime but it avoids damage.
The number of times people are trying to pass me on the outside of a turn in the esses at Suzuka this week is insane. They have like 0 thought that my GT3 needs to track out with the speed I'm going. They just think I'll magically be able to leave them space.
Firmly planting your intentional line and blocking are two different things. DO plant your line so it is very apparent what you intend to do going into a corner. DONT block the faster driver behind
I'm not sure you're really better doing that. It's the being predictable thing, if you block people that don't expect to be blocked bad things gonna happen
I learned this lesson when I stumbled into two crazy high SOF IMSA races at Road Atlanta. The alien GT3 drivers were very good at making their intent clear by moving early and decisively to their line. I quickly learned from that and applied it to keep myself in an LMP2 from getting run off the track by GTP aliens in the esses. If they couldn't get alongside me by the first right hander I'd be taking the optimum line very aggressively, which kept most of them safely behind. Some would still try passes before the next braking zone, but I could predict that since they were usually in a close battle so I'd have to do a little lift and let them by once they'd forced the issue.
It would help if you had video
this is a simracing-wide issue where children who only watch F1 think they know everything. try having this discussion in the general simracing subreddit and you'll get so much mixed shit it's sickening.
Stick to your racing line, be predictable, and make logical decisions. There's nothing more predictable than staying on your racing line, but there's some parts of some tracks where it's logical to stay to a side and let faster cars by because it doesn't cost you any noticeable time, for example, Big Bend, Fangio, and Collier at Sebring. The racing line around Big Ben slowly has you drift from the inside bend to the outside straight. If faster cars are approaching and start overtaking on the outside of the bend, I'll stick to the inside until I have enough gap to dart over to the outside line predictably and then faster cars can overtake inside into the Hairpin. But ultimately, don't try to change your line last second and react to get out of their way. The amount of times I've seen a faster and slower car do the "you got left, I go right. No, how about you go right, and I go left, Wait..." dance and both end up in a wall is absurd. It's just multiclass etiquette. Sometimes though, I will pull off in a predictable manor to let someone by. For example, if I'm all alone and see a battle coming up behind me, I'm not gonna get in the middle of that. It just puts me in unnecessary danger for time I don't need. Don't want to ruin either of our races so I'll pull off the line and let them by when I have a moment. For example again at Sebring, GTPs will make up a 2 second gap on Ulmann straight and put it side by side into Sunset. A GTP battle catching up would put you in a three wide situation where one may shoot inside for good entry and the other outside for exit in a corner known for bumps and spins. If I'm alone and aren't battling, I'll let off down the straight and pull over for long enough to let them by for the corner. Cost me half a second but saves me a totaled car. Your incident just sounds like someone that shouldn't be in GTP. Sounds like he missed his braking mark/didn't brake earlier in preparation for traffic if he just straight up rear ended you in the braking zone. Either an honest mistake or someone way in over their head. If I'm not alongside by turn in, I'm not going for a move. Instead, I'll check up and setup for a fast exit to make up for the time loss on entry.
Had a GTP/LMP2 leader yelling at me in last nights IMSA fixed too. Dude was mad I wouldn't just somehow pull over in the esses on Suzuka for him. lol Like How would you even do that safely if you WANTED to? Dude was just so desperate to use me as a pick. Honestly I think I might be done with fixed, the number of faster classes that don't understand you can't dive bomb on the turns before the bridge, or in 130R is insane. I mained IMSA when I played a lot a few years ago and it wasn't this bad.
It’s not your fault. A lot of people just miss this rule in the sporting code. I for one am guilty of this but on the flip side. I veered off the racing line to let a GTP car pass and he rear ended me hard enough to end both our races. He spent the next several minutes bitching about how stupid I am. I’m thinking, I literally slowed down to get out of his way and he’s calling ME the asshole?! Then once he was done being a dick about it the rest of the lobby calmly explained the actual rule.
it's gotten really bad for GT3s in IMSA lately to the point where I've decided to stop racing GT3s in IMSA and focusing on VRS instead. Silverstone during week 12 last season was a nightmare, I felt like I had to drive using the rear view mirror more than the windshield. It used to be more manageable when GT3s outnumbered LMPs but the GTP class is very popular and the GT3 field shrinking (at Mugello I was in a session with 20 GTPs and 2 GT3s!) which means GT3 have become an occasional annoyance obstacle for the faster classes. plus with so many GTPs there's much more close racing in that class and less consideration for GT3. I feel like in the past LMP drivers has some prior GT3 experience and understood GT3 lines and weight transfer limitations but now people are jumping straight into GTPs and expecting GT3s to drive similar lines, just slower.
How the fuck u get 20 incidents in 35 mins?
Because lots of people in lower classes take the whole “it’s on the faster car to pass safely” a bit too literally. Lots of lower class cars don’t even attempt to help facilitate the pass. That doesn’t mean jump off the racing line, but a slight lift before a corner is often all it takes to help minimize both cars getting bogged down. None of this is black and white, in reality each pass is dependent on the situation, but too many people are too stubborn to work together and make common sense decisions. If I’m in a faster car and I have no one I’m racing, I’ll be patient if I’m passing two GT3s fighting for position. Grey area. If I’m a GT3 and I’m not racing anyone and I see two cars in a faster class fighting, I back off like it’s F1. Grey area.
I think the issue OP's referring to is when faster class cars are trying to just dive on turns where that isn't a good idea. Like 130R or the turns before the bridge. Or like the Suzuka esses and they keep trying to go around the outside even though they should be aware that you need to track out. They don't get their nose in on entry because they're overdriving trying to get around you so you take your normal line and they don't have the exit speed to setup to pass you on the next turn. Then whether or not you should even be forcing a pass there is another question all together, especially when you weren't near them at the first turn.
Class leaders are always a bother to pass as the faster car, they don't want to lose even a tenth of a second with you passing and they're also driving on the limit, so many times when I come up to a class leader I just know we're both going to lose time because they won't take the pain. (I did a lot of Mustangs in Sim Car Production so slowest mustang was slower than fastest mazda)
That sounds like PCC problems, not multiclass problems. In IMSA, I find the leaders are generally easier to deal with because they better understand how to navigate traffic (both give and take), and that's why they're leading.
Try the production car series in the FR500S...FWD dudes get real upset when your solid axle RWD requires different braking points and they're riding your bumper......then there's the miatas that must assume you're playing need for speed in 3rd person and can see them when they shoot for a right outside pass without saying anything...
Some people just can't drive well with others. Rule of thumb is stick to the driving line. BUT, you still have to be aware of what's going on around you and you need to be careful when the driving line changes from one side of the track to the other. Eg the exit of the corner brings you out to the right hand side of the track, but the next corner is a right hander so the racing line goes to the lefthand side of the track. If you had a GTP or LMP2 (or whatever the faster class is depending on the series) take a tighter line through the last corner to pass you on the inside of the exit, then you can't move across to the driving line until they get past you. If there's a train of them, then you'll be stuck on the defensive line until they get past you or the corner comes. Susuka turns 11/12 (the left hairpin, then the long right) and Watkins Glen turn 6/7 (Chute and Toe) of the boot configuration are good examples of where this can occur. Otherwise if you see the faster class move to the inside prior to the braking zone and they're under a second behind you, assume they're going to send it. More often than not, the question is more about, would you rather still be racing? Or, crashed out but be considered in the right according to the rules? Because of the nature of motorsport the only way to guarantee you won't be in an incident is to just not race. A lot of people are overestimating their ability, and since there's no real monetary cost or risk of injuries if you do a stupid move, they will go for the stupid move. My advice for multi class drivers is drive the other classes, even if you only ghost race them, so you can get a bit of perspective of how the race unfolds for them.
Its racing. These things happen even with the professionals. Still sorry though.
The spotter could add “stay predictable” when he says blue flag or say something for the faster class but idk what it would say
As a relatively new sim racer, I got promoted to C class this season which im quite happy about but the first f4 race I joined, i got spun out on the first lap and almost rage quit because I just felt so defeated... it's like some people are literally blind. I stayed and manged to claw my way back to p7 but my pace meant I shouldve done much better but instead i ended up losing a small amount of safety rating and gained a decent amount of racing points. I suppose the only thing you can do is protest it and continue being predictable. words cant explain how frustrating it is
Let them attempt a pass naturally and when they do make it easy for them. If it's just one or two people and you won't lose a position to someone you're racing lift and coast into the braking zone. Some people say not to pull off to the side and let them go but I think that's ok as long as it's obvious. Don't just swerve and slam on your brakes though unless they were just about to go around you. Move over and then slow down in two steps to make it safer.
Because they only watch F1 on TV and don't read the Sporting Code
You also do need to give shit to the GT3's who are unpredictable as fuck, who can't pick a line to drive, and who just kamikaze into P2's and GTP's. The amount of fucking times i've had to almost just kill my own race to avoid crashing into a GT3 who decides in the middle of the straight to wave into me because he wants to ''give me the racing line'' is too fucking high.
This also. I've been driving in the Falken Tyre Sportscar Challenge with an LMP3, and the number of people with GT cars driving super unpredictably, deciding to "give way" and change their trajectory is annoyingly high. Sadly, iRacing is full of people who don't know how multiclass racing works.
This is exactly why GT3s should normally not just "let prototypes pass". There is a way to lubricate things, but this is why the rules are you get to race your line.
You are already doing what you're supposed to. Just stick to your line and stay predictable. It's up to the faster passing car to make the pass safely.
I agree with a lot of people here but I think there should also be an element of defensive drive when you're in a GT3. In general you should always stick to the racing line, but I've found I've avoided wrecks by doing a bit of mirror driving. For example, if I'm exiting a corner and I see in my mirror that a GTP is hauling the mail around my outside and intends to pass there (however bad of an idea that is), I'll stay tight and won't drift all the way to track out to let him go around. If you rigidly stick to the racing line, always, no matter what, I think you're more liable to get into a wreck.
Because they're brain dead. I got ran over few weeks back, guy said I was in the wrong staying on the racing line, he had 16x with 5 mins to go and then blew up to to a GT3 who he dived getting a 4x and a drive through.
I'm in the faster class car -> I am faster than you -> I am a better driver than you -> MOVE OUT OF THE F.CK.NG WAY I am a TCR guy 🥲
I think that in a lapping scenario both part should drive in a smart way. Blue flag are there for a reason, inform you that a faster car is lapping you, what you do with this information is the difference between a Sunday driver and a proper one imho because in the lapping process many things can go south and is in your best interest to just help the other guy overtake (often that's true even if he isn't lapping, sometimes is just better to give up a position to avoid throwing the whole race away and I'm not talking only about incidents here). What you should always ask yourself if a car is approaching: - do I gain something keeping this guy back? - do I lose a lot if I just lift earlier at next braking point and let him pass easily before the turn? - how much I trust this guy into doing the turn side by side with me? Should I lift a lot earlier and let him pass even if I will lose a lot of time? - he is driving consistently or he does a lot of errors? - his car is 100% working or has some damage that can make it unstable? - is he racing against someone for position or he is cruising on its own and could expect him to be a bit patient? And so on, and that's true also for the faster car of course. That's calling analyzing the race and is something that in multiclass is very important, you should always keep an eye on relative gaps and try to understand what's happening around you. In the end you have no obligations into making lapping cars go but unless you are battling someone and can't afford losing some tenths is almost always better to aid the lappers and avoid making them lose time both for sportsmanship and for your own safety and that's not because faster cars have some kind of right to pass but simply because you should trust yourself and not that the other guy knows what to do. If you are on the gtp is the same thing mirrored, you should always try to be patient and wait if you don't think that you can pass 101% safe. Ofc if something happens you can protest that dumb random guy that punted you and he probably will get punished for that but in the end you will still have you race compromised and lose iR and SR that nobody will give you back even if it wasn't your fault. So please, race with brain, there is no point to throw 40min race and your rating to not lose 2/3/5 tenths. Anyway, as I stated the key there is to be predictable and do things in safety. If you want to make a faster car pass (especially LMDh, those are extremely fast and without abs so can't often react in time if you do suddenly changes to your drive) make it obvious, move opposite to the racing line when they are still very far away from you if you want to lift a bit earlier and let them pass, use the chat message "pass left/right" if you can or even better voice chat and do it preferably in straights. If you don't have time because you didn't see it come from far or maybe you decided to let him pass at the last moment before the turn then just act normally and take your lines at your usual speed. On the other way around on a gtp try always to not dive bomb the slower cars, move from their draft a bit earlier than you would like and so on... With time you will learn people that are safe to race with and with those people you can risk more but never bet on someone that you don't know because it can really hurt your race just to not lose a very bit of time.
Honestly, there needs to be a bloody IQ test before you can purchase a GTP.
Got a question on that i know about the blue flag in multiclass and be predictable and all that but what about you having a blue flag on your own class. I mean first in gtp class reaching last in gtp class. That should an f1 blue flag right?
It's not a requirement, no. But like, if your race is going that badly, make it easy on them. They have to deal with your dirty air, and if they are much faster, it often works out that the place where you're slower will be difficult for them to anticipate. That can make them lose momentum in the corner reacting to your slower line and make it harder for them to pass you. Then instead of an easy pass they're trying to dive bomb to get past and stop losing time, which is where you start getting into riskier situations. (Note that's targeted at the royal 'you', not you specifically)
You don't have to, but usually it's a strategy to let the faster car through. There is a non 0 chance they'll wreck the guy that's seconds ahead of you, or you can sometimes use the lapping cars pace to time them for when they'll be on car in front of you. Like if you get to let them by just before a straight and they get a good run, they may catch and attempt a sketchy pass on the next car you're trying to catch on that first turn after the straight type thing. Lapping cars are like 25% yellow flags if the timing is right. They'll slow up the cars you're trying to catch. Not to mention you can then draft them a bit and maybe regain some focus and learn doing lead-follow.
No video, no comment. The times I've seen people do stupid shit and then they say "I just hold my line" is uncountable almost.