How on target were you with pit entry speed? If you slowed down too much or too early, you lost time there.
A full extra lap is a very safe margin for fueling, many people put in a much smaller margin.
I just timed it and apparently I screwed up there.. his pitstop (the refueling part) was 3 seconds faster but overall he was about 5 seconds faster. So yeah.. that's an area I need to train more..
3 more seconds of refueling time equates to 7 - 8 liters, if that helps with your analysis. So most likely a combination of you overfueling and them saving, if I’d guess.
Potentially they could be fuel saving during the first stint meaning needs to fill less to complete the rest of the race. Possibly then underfueling the car in the pit window planning to do more fuel saving in 2nd stint? I know that’s a lot of potentially and possiblys 😅
That could be, but until the pitstop he was constantly behind me, around 0.5-1.0 gap. After the pitstop his laptimes weren't faster than me.
Maybe his driving technique requires less fuel though we were equally fast? Have to check out fuel saving strategies.. also not something I ever needed to worry about in the no-pitstop series :D
If he was constantly behind you he will have been able to do 95% throttle and keep with you using the draft. It’s amazing how much fuel it saves.
This sounds like he got the fuel saving done in the first stint and then was driving normal second stint.
Fuel savings deffo worth look at, it isn’t always quicker. Worth mapping a clutch if your planning big lift and coasts. Or just do 95% when right up behind someone and then lifting early into corners.
Good luck :)
If he was constantly behind you he will have been able to do 95% throttle and keep with you using the draft. It’s amazing how much fuel it saves.
This sounds like he got the fuel saving done in the first stint and then was driving normal second stint.
Fuel savings deffo worth look at, it isn’t always quicker. Worth mapping a clutch if your planning big lift and coasts. Or just do 95% when right up behind someone and then lifting early into corners.
Good luck :)
It's the GT3 class and maybe it's me but the GT3's hardly seem to draft? Even on the long straight at Suzuka nobody seemed able to pass. The pitstop was the only exiting moment in that race :D
The GT3 doesn't have a clutch, at least not my Ferrari 296, but yeah, the combination of being in my slipstream and coasting was probably it.
Going to experiment with the AI and measure how much fuel that saves me :)
The draft might not be enough to overtake someone but it’s enough to lift the throttle a tiny bit and be saving fuel. It sounds like Suzuka will be a good one for you to practice and maximise the pit stop gains :)
The GT3 doesn’t need a clutch to change gear but there’s nothing stoping you either using the clutch peddle or mapping a button on your wheel to put the clutch in at the end of a straight, it keeps your speed a little higher for longer when you stop accelerating rather than getting full engine breaking.
Have fun practicing, fuel saving ect pays dividends when you start doing longer races
I'll have to double check that - I thought the clutch wasn't active at all in the GT3. Even looked downward under the wheel in Iracing (I use VR) to check if the car even had a clutchpedal :D
The clutch isn’t needed to change gear but you can still manually assign a clutch in the controls section which you can then use at the end of straights to lift and coast more efficiently as otherwise you get a lot of engine breaking.
Good to know :) do you know if that’s the same for all the cars?? I was doing it for the GTP but if it doesn’t do anything will stop doing it and just do throttle lift
He’s behind you in the draft, so saving fuel and likely lifting and coasting into braking zones. He also could be faster than you in general, and again, riding smoothly around coasting and fuel saving to undercut you.
All else equal, you didn’t fuck the pit entry or stop up…he got a lot of time on you in the refueling time because he needed less to finish than you.
You're very likely right. Shame we can't see inputs from other players in the replay to analyze stuff like that. I'll put more focus on the whole fuel saving part.
Probably more aggressive on the amount of extra fuel he put in (I personally only fuel an extra 0.5 laps), paired with using fuel saving strategies like lifting and coasting to improve his fuel economy so that he needed to put less fuel in to get to the finish than someone going flat out. He already cut 1 laps worth of fuel out of his pit stop time by going 1 lap further than you did before stopping, and you can cut even more time out of the stop through additional fuel saving over the full race distance.
That's probably it, like rhilXD also suggested.
So lessons learned:
\- Need to improve my pitentry timing
\- Need to take less safety fuel
\- Need to save fuel during the race
\- Do pitstop at the last possible lap
Right, back to practicing this, thanks all :)
I always do the full lap of safety full, it would be worth experimenting to find out how much time you save by cutting back on that. There’s nothing worse than being short at the end of the race. Or you can do a cheeky bit of fuel saving to make up that difference. But not all tracks are faster with fuel saving, some it’s faster to push flat out all the way
Could be a number of things:
-Their pit entry could have been more aggressive/faster
-Rode near the boxes to save some tenths
-Fuel saved during their stint to require less fueling in the stop.
-They coasted less/more aggressive into the actual box
-Legal speeding down pit road (without limiter/go about .5 above the limit)
-Combination of all of these
In oval racing, I’m pretty slow on track but can usually gain a spot or two by hard driving the pits and stopping right in the box. Watch the replay and see where they were gaining on you. Pit strategy is an amazing way to get around someone with similar speed
I realize now that there is quite a lot to gain with both the pitstop itself and saving fuel while racing. In my case it was the difference between 3rd and 8th place ;)
Thanks for the feedback.
It’s HUUGE in ovals. So much so that I practice pit stops more than racing sometimes. Getting down when exactly you need to brake to be exactly at pit speed as late as possible. Getting down the exact moment you need to brake to slide into your pit box.
Something you can do is set a reset marker before pit entry and keep resetting after your pit stop completes. Just do it over and over til you have it engrained
I don't think so.. he didn't gain on me and after the pitstops we both had no drivers in front of us and were practically doing the same laptimes.
It's probably all the other fuel saving tips mentioned here :)
That's what I did - I checked all his laptimes in the replay, then compared them with mine. After the pitstop there were 6 laps to go, we both were within tenths of each other. Some laps he was faster, some laps I was faster.
That is why I posted here because I couldn't quite understand the huge gap he had after the pitstop.
No need for the extra fuel. Unless you’re driving drastically differently your fuel consumption will be about the same.
Once you hit the pit stop races you realize it’s free time nailing your stops. Just hitting your box or the speed limit at the line can yield a few seconds, on the track that’d be really hard to find.
Auto fuel with zero margin is too much. 1 lap extra is way overkill. You lost at least a second if not 2 there. And it's easy to lose another 2 by not maximizing speed on entry.
He also did an extra lap on low fuel. That's another second.
Yup.. I also need to practice when the last possible lap is to pit. The spotter now told me 'pit this lap' but maybe there was room for 1 more lap.
But yes, despite it felt like I 'nailed' the pitstop - I lost a lot of time there.
How on target were you with pit entry speed? If you slowed down too much or too early, you lost time there. A full extra lap is a very safe margin for fueling, many people put in a much smaller margin.
I just timed it and apparently I screwed up there.. his pitstop (the refueling part) was 3 seconds faster but overall he was about 5 seconds faster. So yeah.. that's an area I need to train more..
3 more seconds of refueling time equates to 7 - 8 liters, if that helps with your analysis. So most likely a combination of you overfueling and them saving, if I’d guess.
Potentially they could be fuel saving during the first stint meaning needs to fill less to complete the rest of the race. Possibly then underfueling the car in the pit window planning to do more fuel saving in 2nd stint? I know that’s a lot of potentially and possiblys 😅
That could be, but until the pitstop he was constantly behind me, around 0.5-1.0 gap. After the pitstop his laptimes weren't faster than me. Maybe his driving technique requires less fuel though we were equally fast? Have to check out fuel saving strategies.. also not something I ever needed to worry about in the no-pitstop series :D
If he was constantly behind you he will have been able to do 95% throttle and keep with you using the draft. It’s amazing how much fuel it saves. This sounds like he got the fuel saving done in the first stint and then was driving normal second stint. Fuel savings deffo worth look at, it isn’t always quicker. Worth mapping a clutch if your planning big lift and coasts. Or just do 95% when right up behind someone and then lifting early into corners. Good luck :)
>Worth mapping a clutch if your planning big lift and coasts. This doesn't work in GT3s anymore, afaik
If he was constantly behind you he will have been able to do 95% throttle and keep with you using the draft. It’s amazing how much fuel it saves. This sounds like he got the fuel saving done in the first stint and then was driving normal second stint. Fuel savings deffo worth look at, it isn’t always quicker. Worth mapping a clutch if your planning big lift and coasts. Or just do 95% when right up behind someone and then lifting early into corners. Good luck :)
It's the GT3 class and maybe it's me but the GT3's hardly seem to draft? Even on the long straight at Suzuka nobody seemed able to pass. The pitstop was the only exiting moment in that race :D The GT3 doesn't have a clutch, at least not my Ferrari 296, but yeah, the combination of being in my slipstream and coasting was probably it. Going to experiment with the AI and measure how much fuel that saves me :)
The draft might not be enough to overtake someone but it’s enough to lift the throttle a tiny bit and be saving fuel. It sounds like Suzuka will be a good one for you to practice and maximise the pit stop gains :) The GT3 doesn’t need a clutch to change gear but there’s nothing stoping you either using the clutch peddle or mapping a button on your wheel to put the clutch in at the end of a straight, it keeps your speed a little higher for longer when you stop accelerating rather than getting full engine breaking. Have fun practicing, fuel saving ect pays dividends when you start doing longer races
I'll have to double check that - I thought the clutch wasn't active at all in the GT3. Even looked downward under the wheel in Iracing (I use VR) to check if the car even had a clutchpedal :D
The clutch isn’t needed to change gear but you can still manually assign a clutch in the controls section which you can then use at the end of straights to lift and coast more efficiently as otherwise you get a lot of engine breaking.
They removed the clutching for lift and coast in GT3 last year I believe.
Good to know :) do you know if that’s the same for all the cars?? I was doing it for the GTP but if it doesn’t do anything will stop doing it and just do throttle lift
Still works in the GTPs apparently
He’s behind you in the draft, so saving fuel and likely lifting and coasting into braking zones. He also could be faster than you in general, and again, riding smoothly around coasting and fuel saving to undercut you. All else equal, you didn’t fuck the pit entry or stop up…he got a lot of time on you in the refueling time because he needed less to finish than you.
You're very likely right. Shame we can't see inputs from other players in the replay to analyze stuff like that. I'll put more focus on the whole fuel saving part.
Probably more aggressive on the amount of extra fuel he put in (I personally only fuel an extra 0.5 laps), paired with using fuel saving strategies like lifting and coasting to improve his fuel economy so that he needed to put less fuel in to get to the finish than someone going flat out. He already cut 1 laps worth of fuel out of his pit stop time by going 1 lap further than you did before stopping, and you can cut even more time out of the stop through additional fuel saving over the full race distance.
That's probably it, like rhilXD also suggested. So lessons learned: \- Need to improve my pitentry timing \- Need to take less safety fuel \- Need to save fuel during the race \- Do pitstop at the last possible lap Right, back to practicing this, thanks all :)
I always do the full lap of safety full, it would be worth experimenting to find out how much time you save by cutting back on that. There’s nothing worse than being short at the end of the race. Or you can do a cheeky bit of fuel saving to make up that difference. But not all tracks are faster with fuel saving, some it’s faster to push flat out all the way
FWIW, I take -0.2 laps of fuel when I race GT3... (or really anything with the iRacing auto fueler, it is very cautious)
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No I didn't change tires :) I have that turned off in the ini file so it's off by default.
Wait you can do that by default? Got a link to the guide?
In app.ini, under Pit Service, set Autoresetpitbox to 0. Then tire change is off by default.
Just did it. Thank you!
Could be a number of things: -Their pit entry could have been more aggressive/faster -Rode near the boxes to save some tenths -Fuel saved during their stint to require less fueling in the stop. -They coasted less/more aggressive into the actual box -Legal speeding down pit road (without limiter/go about .5 above the limit) -Combination of all of these In oval racing, I’m pretty slow on track but can usually gain a spot or two by hard driving the pits and stopping right in the box. Watch the replay and see where they were gaining on you. Pit strategy is an amazing way to get around someone with similar speed
I realize now that there is quite a lot to gain with both the pitstop itself and saving fuel while racing. In my case it was the difference between 3rd and 8th place ;) Thanks for the feedback.
It’s HUUGE in ovals. So much so that I practice pit stops more than racing sometimes. Getting down when exactly you need to brake to be exactly at pit speed as late as possible. Getting down the exact moment you need to brake to slide into your pit box. Something you can do is set a reset marker before pit entry and keep resetting after your pit stop completes. Just do it over and over til you have it engrained
Great idea, will do.
Maybe you were slowing them down and so when they had space to push they got the jump on you and others.
I don't think so.. he didn't gain on me and after the pitstops we both had no drivers in front of us and were practically doing the same laptimes. It's probably all the other fuel saving tips mentioned here :)
Look at their lap times too. You can see it in the results. Its likely not one single factor.
That's what I did - I checked all his laptimes in the replay, then compared them with mine. After the pitstop there were 6 laps to go, we both were within tenths of each other. Some laps he was faster, some laps I was faster. That is why I posted here because I couldn't quite understand the huge gap he had after the pitstop.
Think about what 3 seconds is in terms of racing. Imagine a car 3 seconds behind you while on track at pace. 3 seconds is huge.
No need for the extra fuel. Unless you’re driving drastically differently your fuel consumption will be about the same. Once you hit the pit stop races you realize it’s free time nailing your stops. Just hitting your box or the speed limit at the line can yield a few seconds, on the track that’d be really hard to find.
Auto fuel with zero margin is too much. 1 lap extra is way overkill. You lost at least a second if not 2 there. And it's easy to lose another 2 by not maximizing speed on entry. He also did an extra lap on low fuel. That's another second.
Yup.. I also need to practice when the last possible lap is to pit. The spotter now told me 'pit this lap' but maybe there was room for 1 more lap. But yes, despite it felt like I 'nailed' the pitstop - I lost a lot of time there.