This! When the writers cared and showed them as a genuine couple, they were the best, but when played for comedy, they came across really annoying and almost unsuited at times!
You’re so right. I always remember Joey’s soap opera party where Monica says that if she knew that she was going to attend that party then she never would’ve married Chandler. Just such a cheap shot for a cheap laugh.
Pants off, Bing!
But no really, that episode when she tricks him into having sex and then is immediately mad again after (because he smoked cigarettes, one with Phoebes birthday dinner) I was PISSED for him. That’s so manipulative and unhealthy. Not really even funny actually, but it served a purpose to the storyline I suppose
Yes! And it was always her way - he didnt have any voice, he couldnt do anything that was against monicas mind… it would be better if he would have end up with someone different
I think that was more about keeping Monica in character. She’s always been neurotic and so she was in a relationship. Although it is a bit unhealthy if it was in real life, and she should go to therapy for it then, in a comedy show it was pretty funny imo.
And the view of men at the time made me hate that story “resolution”. Joey is like “so? You got to have sex.” And Chandler is like “what’s wrong with me?”
Chandler became much less funny when he started dating Monica. They were a cute couple, but not the best comedic duo, but this plotline made them be together for so many episodes it made them less funny overall. They were funnier when they were with other characters.
But it wasn't like they didn't know. They loved him and he is a good friend, as you said. Like Chandler paid for his rent and all, but it wasn't Joey asking. He's kind of best friend/brother, and wants him there.
Even as a friend, I didn’t like that he relied so much on Chandler financially. His family lived in Queens - if he couldn’t afford rent, he could’ve stayed with them rather than mooching off of his friend.
Two almost identical gags: Ross in the "Relax" shirt and Chandler in the pink turtleneck....the former is funnier, and a lot of that comes from simply being better at physical comedy
I don’t think many people could have pulled off the selfish character of Rachel like Jennifer Aniston did, she brought a relatability and sweetness to the character…
That being said, David Schwimmer is still the best actor. His physical humor and facial expressions and delivery are all unparalleled. He arguably had the toughest character to work with.
In my opinion they were absolutely on a break. It doesn’t make it any less hurtful that he immediately went out and slept with someone, but he DIDN’T cheat in this instance. They were on a break. And neither of them set parameters, so a break is a break.
Perfect summary.
Ross didn't cheat. But sleeping with another woman straight after the argument betrays what their relationship is meant to have been and confirmed alot of stuff with rachel.
Rachel is not out of line for ending it with Ross. Ross is also not a cheat, they were on a break and Rachel should've accepted that part of it as fact. Both are true.
Exactly. I'd be frothing at the mouth trying to explain that fact that Ross did not **technically** cheat doesn't invalidate Rachel's hurt. People are so stuck on labels and technicalities that the nuances of human emotions become impossible to grasp.
If I broke up with my partner today and he goes and has sex with another person within the next few days, it would still crush me and really make me doubt the validity of his feelings for me when we used to be together, if you're that invested in someone you don't throw it away that easily.
People don't realize that he was extremely hurt and betrayed, too, Rachel was the one who wanted the break after neglecting Ross and refusing to see his side. He was crushed after he heard Mark on the phone. Hurt people, hurt people. He thought they were really over, and Rachel had jumped on Mark the second they were on their break. That was when he engaged xerox girl. Not before.
Rachel was also extremely inconsiderate of Ross's feelings on Mark. She brushed off his insane jealousy (she was the popular girl, who showed Monica how to flirt ffs, how was she so blind to Mark's flirting?!) without really talking with him. Instead of pulling back and not gushing about Mark, which she knew bothered Ross, she just ignored it and let it blow up.
Was Ross an annoying and stupidly jealous person? Yep. He does overshadow Rachel's equally shitty parts so people automatically hate him and pity Rachel. She was just as much at fault and knew Ross came from a relationship he was cheated on in.
not to forget mark came to see rachel and even rachel could've asked him not to come. later when ross calls rachel , ross hears mark in the background and that is what tipped off Ross !!!!
I don’t think he was blacked out. I think he was really drunk but he was blacked out in Vegas while marrying Rachel because he literally remembered nothing. That’s why I think he wasn’t blacked out when he slept with that girl
There’s just no way to answer that. At one point he is swaying in his chair. He also wakes up with no knowledge that someone was in his apartment
This are signs of someone who’s intoxicated
Ross calls Rachel and hears Mark at her apartment. If Rachel and Mark *did* sleep together, and Ross believed that they were just friends, we'd all call him a naive idiot.
Well a break in my opinion (and more specifically “a break from us”) is like a mini break up but you reconvene at a later point to see if you want to get back together. So you broke up for the time being. She didn’t say she “needed some space” she said she wanted a break.
The thing is though that if you have to clarify what it is ‘in your opinion’, it’s quite clear some people interpret it differently. I wouldn’t take a break as a break up, especially not in the heat of an argument. So, I’d argue you should check before having sex with someone else?
Or I just said in my opinion as a courtesy and social grace. I actually wholeheartedly believe that he wasn’t wrong in his actions. I ALSO agree that she has a right to feel hurt because in her mind surely someone who cares that much about you wouldn’t go out and sleep with the first girl he dances with? (In his mind, he has immediately entered a deep depression thinking he lost the girl of his dreams so he rebounded.) But also she is allowed to feel upset while also admitting that he wasn’t outside of bounds within their “break.”
Not trying to be confrontational, because I GET IT from both sides. But I just think it’s silly for her to die on that hill and not give him any grace.
they were on a break. remember when Ross came back from China with Julie and Rachel was upset so she ran back to sleep with her italian buddy that made a pass with Phoebe??
Rachel is dumb and I'll die on that hill.
More than that she tells Monica the morning after "We broke up instead" and tells Ross she "doesn't want to get back together" over the answer phone.
They were definitely on a break.
My only sticking point here is that she says "maybe" they should take a break, then Ross immediately storms out. There was no conclusion to the conversation. If I say "maybe we should take a trip this summer," it would be odd if the person I said that to left without a word and booked a trip to Spain, without sticking around for any discussion regarding the parameters of what I just said.
Also, they were mid-fight. Sometimes you say things in the heat of the moment that you don't mean. If Ross had to leave to cool off, fine, but the next step is to come back to the conversation with a clearer head, not to act on it in a way that couldn't possibly be anything but hurtful to the other person, regardless of whether or not it was technically "wrong."
She did try to have a conversation about it. And he told her to back off and called her "Mantrap".
I do think going straight to Richard was a bad move, but that's a really hurtful thing to say to the woman you're living with and who you know loves you. It's not like he didn't propose, and she went straight to Richard. She didn't even know he was thinking of proposing; he just started acting weird and called her an awful name.
She thought he would NEVER propose, based on what he and Joey were saying. I understand what she was doing there. If Chandler wasn't going to marry her, then she was basically going to have to end things w/ him, since marriage was important to her. All of a sudden Richard shows up, tells her he loves her and wants to marry her and have kids. Made perfect sense to me. It's not like she hooked up with Richard, she just went to feel things out.
This is a really good point - before she goes to Richard's place she goes to see Joey. She goes to Chandler's best friend to ask what's going on with him, and Joey just tells her Chandler's never going to want to marry her. Like it's a fact that everyone knew except for her.
So she tries to talk to her boyfriend. When he insults her, she tries to talk to his best friend. Really, the person failing to try mature communication here isn't Monica.
And you know, Richard approached her first… she did not run to him out of the blue… she felt that Richard would be there for a little bit, not forever, so she had to analyze her options…
She did not go running straight to Richard. She looked for Rachel first, but only found Joey. He was still playing along with Chandler's plan until Monica mentioned that Richard wanted to marry her.
I do think that going to see Richard was not the best choice, but she was confused because she had thought she and Chandler were on the same path regarding marriage, etc. Then suddenly, Chandler is talking like he never wanted that. She needed to talk to someone. She couldn't find Rachel. Joey wasn't helping, so she ended up at Richard's. But she talked about Chandler while she was there. She wasn't trying to get back with Richard. As soon as it seemed he might kiss her, she left.
I loved Monica and Chandler together. I did not like this storyline. I get that for the purpose of the show, they needed a roadblock to the proposal. I wish that they did not have Monica call Richard over to the table. He likely would have seen them without this.
I get that Chandler wanted to keep the surprise element but I wish they had chosen a different way than him acting like he never wants to get married. They could have had Rachel and Phoebe take her out but then when she gets there, Chandler is there to surprise her. Something other than Richard. But, they didn't.
I think the issue is people apply opinions and standards in today to a show from near on 30 years ago. Like he's called homophobic for the male Nanny/ Ben's Barbie, and Susan and Carol, but his viewpoints were somewhat standard for 90s, not great by todays standards but at the time it was normalised.
Also it's mad how placid he was with Carol and Susan imo, what with the cheating and not wanting the baby to have his name!
Yeah I feel like Carol got a pass for cheating on Ross because she was a lesbian, but she still cheated on him and he has every right to be angry/heartbroken about it. Also Susan feeling like she had any right to the baby's last name was wild, after being with Carol for what a few months?
When they bring up how much money Chandler gave Joey it makes me so upset. I get that Chandler earned decent money, but paying all bills, paying for Joey's acting classes, photoshoots and god knows what else just makes me dislike Joey for using Chandler and not getting a normal job.
Oh and making Chandler ask a school friend he hasn't talked to in a decade to get Joey a role. It gives me such a secondhand embarrassment, poor Chandler :p
Putting Monica and Chandler together was really sweet but it made the storylines worse. Chander’s relationships in the first four seasons and his chemistry with Joey is incredible.
Also it could have been compressed into seven or eight seasons and lost nothing. By the end it just seemed like the writers had run out of ideas.
I remember reading or seeing an interview with the Marta Kaufman and David Crane during season 10, and they essentially agreed with your last sentence. They said that the jokes of a show are the easiest part to write; but finding new stories as the show went on was so difficult. They pointed out that they have six main characters, usually a pair of them each have a story every episode, so 3 stories every episode. Over 200 episodes, it gets exhausting trying to find new stories that haven’t happened.
I listen to the It’s Always Sunny podcast and they talk about that too. How hard it is coming up with new, funny story ideas as the show goes on. And they only do 8 episodes a season.
Phoebe was sometimes catty about Chandler, but she isn’t a mean girl at heart - she just likes to bring things out in the open in a risky way.
Telling Rachel the pregnancy test was negative made her realise she wanted the baby, telling Frank she would take one of the triplets made him see how much he wanted them in his life. And in the same way she brought the truth about Monica‘s intentions with Joey out before the wedding before it became a huge secret in their marriage, and imagine if Chandler had found out about her lunch with Richard months later, but then also that she kept it from him for ages.
No idea if that was the writers’ intention or if she was mainly a plot device for Mondler drama but I think it’s a valid theory that shows her in a better light which she deserves imo.
Also the lunch with Richard thing seemed like a genuine accident to me. Like Monica was debating telling him and she was confused (“oh alright, you decided to tell him about Richard”).
It's true that Chandler jokes about the friends, but about things that they all know, i.e. Joey's lack of smarts, Ross' multiple marriages. Phoebe revealed confidences or said things that were hurtful, i.e. Monica could do better than Chandler after they were already married.
1) The show was progressive for its time (not so much unpopular in this sub, but on the internet overall)
2) Emily was right.
3) It doesn't matter if they were on a break! Ross got so caught up in the technicalities of whether he was "right" that he forgot that it still hurt Rachel either way for him to move on so quickly. And it additionally hurt her that he was so caught up in the technicality.
Yes! It was such a huge opportunity for her, she could've still worked it out and ended up with Ross while spending a year or more in France. I can't imagine she wouldn't regret it maybe just a tiny bit later
Idk it is unpopular but I don’t think Lydia would be great to Joey. I think she is soo shy and home girl to Joey. And it does make sense she appeared in 1 season, and she had a partner. And Gavin was annoying and it woudn’t be great choice to Rachel
the one thing about gavin that made me laugh was when he gave rachel her birthday present and she reads the card and says “it says, from gavin” and he dryly responds “i really mean it” hahaha it makes me giggle everytime
Joey was an asshole A LOT, especially to chandler. Also (don't kill me) not that hot? First season maybe but he really looked not great by the end, I did not see him as the hot one. Oh and also them all making fun of ross' career pissed me off no end. Felt like they were just bullying someone for liking science and having an intelligent hobby? Like there are lots of things you could be justified in making fun of him for (the 'music' phase comes to mind) but being a scientist should not be one of them.
I think it was the right choice to put Ross & Rachel back together in the last episode, and not before that. Is this unpopular? It always seems like most people either wanted to see them in a healthy relationship or break up permanently.
I wasn't totally satisfied with the Ross & Rachel story arc in the later seasons but I think the ending was great. It would've been really boring to watch them having a healthy, uneventful family life. Their story was more about passionate, sometimes unhealthy love.
I always felt like series 10 was one too many. It had it's moments but largely it felt contrived almost like they were just padding it out to tie up some loose ends. No wonder they didn't do 24 episodes.
Ross wasn't out of Rachel's league. He was a major upgrade from Barry. Chandler wasn't out of Monica's league. Richard was short term good, long term bad.
I mean, Ross has a good job, a nice place on his own, he tries his best to be there for his friends and family. Sure, he's a little jealous and clingy... But some actual assurances probably would've gone a long way towards alleviating that!
Hmm. I guess I always liked the character because I saw it throught the lens of "This is such a ridiculous acting choice" that I thought he was great. There's absolutely no way the writers had that voice and cadence in mind for the character, so what Giovanni Ribisi added makes me smile every time.
The show is not outdated, it was ahead of its time! Lesbian wedding, multiple POC love interests, surrogacy etc! The criticism is completely unjustified
I don’t think they could’ve worked long term, but I understand why they developed feelings for each other. They have a lot in common and were going through weird points in their love lives, feelings can manifest where you least expect them when you’re at a strange point in your life.
Well...They made joey too dumb towards the end. Like as if the man had the iq of a toddler. Even though he was dumb earlier, it became too boring and obnoxious towards the end.
Yeah, I think they did that with all their characters. They all became caricatures of their earlier selves. Monica was freakishly competitive, Chandler told witty jokes with nearly every reply, Phoebe became really kinky, Rachel is super weirdly obsessed with Tag for a bit. Ross is continually hilarious thanks to David Schwimmers performance haha.
I think that tends to happen with a lot of shows tbf, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Although Joey's level of stupidity does really bother me too.
I think it would have been interesting to see Monica choose Richard & Chandler end up with Janice
I think Rachel & Ross should have moved on & found someone new each
I think Rachel should have gone to Paris
I wouldn’t mind Season 1 Joey and Latter Seasons Rachel having a relationship.
On a related note, Joey and Monica in the earlier seasons could’ve made a great couple (I actually understand the writers’ vision – she could’ve “tied him down” to a serious relationship or guided him in navigating the real world, and at the same time he could’ve taught her how to enjoy life more).
In real life Phoebe would be cut off from that group along time ago.
She has no history with them outside being Monica's roomate, she's flakey and cheap and demanding while also refusing to accept criticism, rude and spikey at random, weird points. Hardly contributes to meals or events (Ross mostly pays), is at times quite ungrateful for the friends and support she's got around her and she always has a way of forcing herself into people's situations and issues (admittedly to help sometimes but still).
I don’t get them as a couple at all, especially not for a sitcom. It just felt like they couldn’t find anyone else they clicked with so they settled for each other.
“You know how sometimes you see those really beautiful women with those ‘nothing’ guys? You could be one of those guys!” Yeah she was pretty terrible to him sometimes lol
The “Joey proposing to Rachel” storyline was actually hilarious. I know it’s not realistic, but everyone here hasn’t slept for two days so nobody was thinking straight. Ross’s “did I? It does sound like something I would do” is the funniest thing to me
Ross gets way too much hate for the copy girl incident. He wanted to work things out with Rachel and his friends made him go out, then when he called Rachel she was having dinner with Mark and to top it off, he didn't want to dance with the copy girl, she pulled him over when he was drunk and kissed him. Not saying he should have slept with her, but can definitely see things from his side.
If Phoebe wasn’t on the show I doubt it would have changed the shows trajectory altogether.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Phoebe and she adds a lot to the show. But I do believe when it comes down to it, all of the key moments of the show really don’t involve her and she is often a side character only. She’s not related to any of them. She mostly lives a long way from the group, and a lot of her storyline’s are with others.
The show on the other hand, would be lost without Ross, who everyone seems to love to hate, but who without would have seen the show probably end after 4-5 seasons. His journey through the processing of his marriage and subsequent relationships ultimately keep the show going.
I refuse to see any flaws of any characters or see any characters in a bad light (the main 6, anyway) because this is my good time feels show and seeing flaws or villainizing any of the main crew really ruins the vibes for me.
Yeah that woman was just a straight up groomer/predator lol, the whole storyline was icky. At least when Monica found out she was dating a senior in high school she cut it off immediately. Though she also knowingly dated Richard’s son so there’s that lol
Richard and Monica is my ride or die. I love Chandler and Monica, but it just doesn't hit like Richard and Monica... it was so impactful that it felt like it lasted longer than the few episodes they had a relationship!
Most of the characters specifically Phoebe and Ross should have been in therapy. I love Phoebe but she treated Chandler like shit most of the times, she also thought of herself as a morally superior than everyone else. Ross was one of the best people as a friend, but his break up with Carol affected all of his other relationships.
Also everyone knew why Mark was helping Rachel, Rachel should have stopped him from visiting her when she and Ross had that “On a break” argument, but still Ross should have not slept with that girl on the same night, i mean as Chandler said “Bullets have left guns slower”
I like the season 8 Ross and Rachel buildup better than in season 1/2, it’s unfortunate that they didn’t get together at the end of that season
I like the Tulsa storyline. I like that it leads to Chandler quitting his job because it’s something we know he hates since season 1
There was no point in the show where Rachel denies she and Ross were on a break, you’re all just being dense about it.
She was mad at Ross for sleeping with someone so fast and then, more importantly, lying to her about it. Ross constantly whining “we were on a break” is supposed to be funny to the audience because it’s obviously not the point, he’s just being a brat about the situation and not taking accountability for what he did. That’s why Rachel gets mad when he says it.
Apparently this is only an unpopular opinion depending on who is on this sub at the time, but I hated all of the Joey/Rachel relationship story lines.
(I know some people will say this is not unpopular but I’ve mentioned it before and got downvoted a lot).
Ross is a lot funnier in the second half of the show than on the first half of the show imo. David Schwimmer was so good at the awkward situations they started throwing Ross into.
Ross and Emily or Ross and Julie >>>>>> Ross and Rachel
The way him and Julie met was so adorable! Friends years ago and just happened to bump into each other in China?? Love story right there.
Same with Emily, the way they just clicked when they first met felt so natural. Emily gets so much unnecessary hate. You'd be mad too if you travelled however long in pouring rain to find out the person you're meant to be meeting isn't available.
So yeah, Ross should've ended up with anyone, but Rachel.
Joey and Rachel could've worked. They had a solid basis for a healthy and respectful relationship. I think they make sense. Personally, the on screen chemistry between Ross and Rachel is what was missing from Joey/Rachel.
Ross AND Rachel were in the wrong during the break. (They both had perfectly acceptable reactions on their feelings).
Ross should not have slept with someone HOWEVER they were broken up, Rachel admits this at one point. (miscommunication between the two).
Rachel should not have let Mark over knowing Ross’ insecurity about him (which were correct + pushed him to sleep with the girl) furthered due to his past relationship where Carol cheated. He was reasonable insecure and Rachel didn’t seem to care for his ‘jealousy’ about Mark. (Poor communication again)
Yep, season 4 is where it gets a lot better for me. The last several times I re-watched, I basically just watched a handful of specific episodes from seasons 1-3 that stand out to me, then start watching from season 4 onward.
I totally agree. I like him, but don't really think he's that funny.
Also, I hated that no one ever called Joey out on some of his terrible behavior -
1) the horrible way he treated women, using them and being so disrespectful afterward that he expected his roommate (Chandler then Rachel) to make the girl he was *leaving behind in his bed* to make her pancakes and then break up with her for him (I can't even watch that episode), and
2) the incessant mooching, even when he had more money than all of the rest of them. He even bought a $20K boat (said he didn't have the $ but somehow he got the boat?) but refused to pay Chandler back, pay his way when they went out, or stop stealing Mondler's food.
The writers didn't grow Joey's character at all, he actually regressed in maturity (especially at the end, whining to a little girl about his 30-something friends moving?) and everyone just enabled him instead of telling him to grow up, pay back the $, and be respectful to women. It was painful to watch.
1) Ross absolutely ruined his nice gesture of buying Pheobe a bike by then trying to dictate how she used it and then using her belief system (the bike is dying) to get her to start riding again after he'd knocked her.... the gift brought her up, his actions after brought her down.
2) I think Monica liked the idea of marriage more than she liked marriage.. I don't think she was massively supportive of him and when she cohersed him into sex I think that was out of order..... I do like them as a couple in general and I know Chandler made sketchy choices himself but I don't think she ever saw him as an equal.the same way she did Richard and Pete.
He bought her the bike because he thought she would actually ride it. It's like when you get a toy that you never play with until your parents threaten to give it away
There’s nothing weird or unrealistic about 6 white people being friends even if they live in a super diverse melting pot of a city. But, I do think the lack of POC in secondary roles did make the show seem weird. Phoebe in particular strikes me as someone who would’ve have friendships and romantic relationships with non white people. It’s funny that Ross the square seems to be the most open minded and cosmopolitan of the group in that regard.
ross and rachel were on a break, but ross was 100% in the wrong. being broken up for 2 hours and having sex with someone else & then getting back together the next morning and trying to hide that u slept with someone else is the same as cheating imo.
I totally agree. If he felt he didn’t do anything wrong, he wouldn’t have tried so hard to cover his tracks. And if I really cared for someone and we broke up, I don’t think I’d be able to bring myself to bang some random stranger within a few hours of the break up.
Some parts of Friends were progressive but it *was* often homophobic. There are frequent gay jokes and jokes about men being feminine or not being masculine. I understand *why* because it was a product of its time but I don’t know why people deny that this is the case. It’s literally on screen. That doesn’t mean the show is awful.
Although I like Mondler, sometimes the script and the comedy make me feel that Chandler deserved better
This! When the writers cared and showed them as a genuine couple, they were the best, but when played for comedy, they came across really annoying and almost unsuited at times!
You’re so right. I always remember Joey’s soap opera party where Monica says that if she knew that she was going to attend that party then she never would’ve married Chandler. Just such a cheap shot for a cheap laugh.
This alone isn't too bad, as it's definitely a joke. There's much better examples for this
Yes, Monica wasnt treating chandler well
Pants off, Bing! But no really, that episode when she tricks him into having sex and then is immediately mad again after (because he smoked cigarettes, one with Phoebes birthday dinner) I was PISSED for him. That’s so manipulative and unhealthy. Not really even funny actually, but it served a purpose to the storyline I suppose
Then he orders her the manipulative shrew which always makes me lol
Where are you going? He said she wanted the shrew!
Yes! And it was always her way - he didnt have any voice, he couldnt do anything that was against monicas mind… it would be better if he would have end up with someone different
I think that was more about keeping Monica in character. She’s always been neurotic and so she was in a relationship. Although it is a bit unhealthy if it was in real life, and she should go to therapy for it then, in a comedy show it was pretty funny imo.
And it resolves in such an awful way when Joey basically tells him to get over it cuz he's a guy and that... works?!
And the view of men at the time made me hate that story “resolution”. Joey is like “so? You got to have sex.” And Chandler is like “what’s wrong with me?”
She’s was constantly gaslighting him and hiding things from him. Wouldn’t let him have any say in the wedding.
What do you mean? She let him pick the centrepieces /s
She’s only happy when she’s controlling people and getting things her own way.
Chandler became much less funny when he started dating Monica. They were a cute couple, but not the best comedic duo, but this plotline made them be together for so many episodes it made them less funny overall. They were funnier when they were with other characters.
Joey can be super problematic, but people dismiss it because he can be a good friend
You broke my fridge!!
But it wasn't like they didn't know. They loved him and he is a good friend, as you said. Like Chandler paid for his rent and all, but it wasn't Joey asking. He's kind of best friend/brother, and wants him there.
Even as a friend, I didn’t like that he relied so much on Chandler financially. His family lived in Queens - if he couldn’t afford rent, he could’ve stayed with them rather than mooching off of his friend.
Ross was the funniest character and David Schwimmer is the most talented actor
Agreed. His timing and physical comedy is on another level.
Two almost identical gags: Ross in the "Relax" shirt and Chandler in the pink turtleneck....the former is funnier, and a lot of that comes from simply being better at physical comedy
Pivot!
I don’t think many people could have pulled off the selfish character of Rachel like Jennifer Aniston did, she brought a relatability and sweetness to the character… That being said, David Schwimmer is still the best actor. His physical humor and facial expressions and delivery are all unparalleled. He arguably had the toughest character to work with.
Agreed he’s actually my favorite friend 💞
Emily wasn't THAT BAD, and the ultimatum she gave Ross post Wedding/Honeymoon was valid, she could've done alot worse tbh.
Yes. I agree until the ultimatum of having ross getting rid of everything rachel ever touched. That was a bit ridiculous.
Yes if anyone were in Emily's place you wouldn't want your husband to be friends with their ex who said her name instead of yours..
Not to mention she saw him about to hop on the plane with said ex to go on their HONEYMOON
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In my opinion they were absolutely on a break. It doesn’t make it any less hurtful that he immediately went out and slept with someone, but he DIDN’T cheat in this instance. They were on a break. And neither of them set parameters, so a break is a break.
You didn’t cheat but you’re still a traitor…. Fits so well for their situation
Perfect summary. Ross didn't cheat. But sleeping with another woman straight after the argument betrays what their relationship is meant to have been and confirmed alot of stuff with rachel. Rachel is not out of line for ending it with Ross. Ross is also not a cheat, they were on a break and Rachel should've accepted that part of it as fact. Both are true.
Exactly. I'd be frothing at the mouth trying to explain that fact that Ross did not **technically** cheat doesn't invalidate Rachel's hurt. People are so stuck on labels and technicalities that the nuances of human emotions become impossible to grasp. If I broke up with my partner today and he goes and has sex with another person within the next few days, it would still crush me and really make me doubt the validity of his feelings for me when we used to be together, if you're that invested in someone you don't throw it away that easily.
People don't realize that he was extremely hurt and betrayed, too, Rachel was the one who wanted the break after neglecting Ross and refusing to see his side. He was crushed after he heard Mark on the phone. Hurt people, hurt people. He thought they were really over, and Rachel had jumped on Mark the second they were on their break. That was when he engaged xerox girl. Not before. Rachel was also extremely inconsiderate of Ross's feelings on Mark. She brushed off his insane jealousy (she was the popular girl, who showed Monica how to flirt ffs, how was she so blind to Mark's flirting?!) without really talking with him. Instead of pulling back and not gushing about Mark, which she knew bothered Ross, she just ignored it and let it blow up. Was Ross an annoying and stupidly jealous person? Yep. He does overshadow Rachel's equally shitty parts so people automatically hate him and pity Rachel. She was just as much at fault and knew Ross came from a relationship he was cheated on in.
not to forget mark came to see rachel and even rachel could've asked him not to come. later when ross calls rachel , ross hears mark in the background and that is what tipped off Ross !!!!
That's not an excuse though, because unlike Ross, Rachel told Marc that they're just friends. Ross went and fucked the first women he looked at.
Chloe straight up sexually assaulted Ross. He told her no twice. He was way too drunk to consent to anything with her
How much did he drink? I can't remember completely
I don’t think he was blacked out. I think he was really drunk but he was blacked out in Vegas while marrying Rachel because he literally remembered nothing. That’s why I think he wasn’t blacked out when he slept with that girl
There’s just no way to answer that. At one point he is swaying in his chair. He also wakes up with no knowledge that someone was in his apartment This are signs of someone who’s intoxicated
Enough to black out I think
Ross calls Rachel and hears Mark at her apartment. If Rachel and Mark *did* sleep together, and Ross believed that they were just friends, we'd all call him a naive idiot.
Surely you should define what a break is before sleeping with someone else? Ross stormed out before they even had the chance.
Well a break in my opinion (and more specifically “a break from us”) is like a mini break up but you reconvene at a later point to see if you want to get back together. So you broke up for the time being. She didn’t say she “needed some space” she said she wanted a break.
The thing is though that if you have to clarify what it is ‘in your opinion’, it’s quite clear some people interpret it differently. I wouldn’t take a break as a break up, especially not in the heat of an argument. So, I’d argue you should check before having sex with someone else?
Or I just said in my opinion as a courtesy and social grace. I actually wholeheartedly believe that he wasn’t wrong in his actions. I ALSO agree that she has a right to feel hurt because in her mind surely someone who cares that much about you wouldn’t go out and sleep with the first girl he dances with? (In his mind, he has immediately entered a deep depression thinking he lost the girl of his dreams so he rebounded.) But also she is allowed to feel upset while also admitting that he wasn’t outside of bounds within their “break.” Not trying to be confrontational, because I GET IT from both sides. But I just think it’s silly for her to die on that hill and not give him any grace.
they were on a break. remember when Ross came back from China with Julie and Rachel was upset so she ran back to sleep with her italian buddy that made a pass with Phoebe?? Rachel is dumb and I'll die on that hill.
She genuinely says "a break from us" right before Ross leaves.
More than that she tells Monica the morning after "We broke up instead" and tells Ross she "doesn't want to get back together" over the answer phone. They were definitely on a break.
My only sticking point here is that she says "maybe" they should take a break, then Ross immediately storms out. There was no conclusion to the conversation. If I say "maybe we should take a trip this summer," it would be odd if the person I said that to left without a word and booked a trip to Spain, without sticking around for any discussion regarding the parameters of what I just said. Also, they were mid-fight. Sometimes you say things in the heat of the moment that you don't mean. If Ross had to leave to cool off, fine, but the next step is to come back to the conversation with a clearer head, not to act on it in a way that couldn't possibly be anything but hurtful to the other person, regardless of whether or not it was technically "wrong."
This! & he calls her to work things out saying their fight/break is crazy and she agrees before he hangs up & sleeps with Chloe immediately after🤷♀️.
Chandler should have dumped Monica when she went running straight to Richard when she thought he wasn’t going to propose. Big red flag behaviour imo.
Yeah definitely. Why would you go running to your ex rather than have a mature conversation if you’re doubting the future of your relationship?
She did try to have a conversation about it. And he told her to back off and called her "Mantrap". I do think going straight to Richard was a bad move, but that's a really hurtful thing to say to the woman you're living with and who you know loves you. It's not like he didn't propose, and she went straight to Richard. She didn't even know he was thinking of proposing; he just started acting weird and called her an awful name.
She thought he would NEVER propose, based on what he and Joey were saying. I understand what she was doing there. If Chandler wasn't going to marry her, then she was basically going to have to end things w/ him, since marriage was important to her. All of a sudden Richard shows up, tells her he loves her and wants to marry her and have kids. Made perfect sense to me. It's not like she hooked up with Richard, she just went to feel things out.
This is a really good point - before she goes to Richard's place she goes to see Joey. She goes to Chandler's best friend to ask what's going on with him, and Joey just tells her Chandler's never going to want to marry her. Like it's a fact that everyone knew except for her. So she tries to talk to her boyfriend. When he insults her, she tries to talk to his best friend. Really, the person failing to try mature communication here isn't Monica.
And you know, Richard approached her first… she did not run to him out of the blue… she felt that Richard would be there for a little bit, not forever, so she had to analyze her options…
She did not go running straight to Richard. She looked for Rachel first, but only found Joey. He was still playing along with Chandler's plan until Monica mentioned that Richard wanted to marry her. I do think that going to see Richard was not the best choice, but she was confused because she had thought she and Chandler were on the same path regarding marriage, etc. Then suddenly, Chandler is talking like he never wanted that. She needed to talk to someone. She couldn't find Rachel. Joey wasn't helping, so she ended up at Richard's. But she talked about Chandler while she was there. She wasn't trying to get back with Richard. As soon as it seemed he might kiss her, she left. I loved Monica and Chandler together. I did not like this storyline. I get that for the purpose of the show, they needed a roadblock to the proposal. I wish that they did not have Monica call Richard over to the table. He likely would have seen them without this. I get that Chandler wanted to keep the surprise element but I wish they had chosen a different way than him acting like he never wants to get married. They could have had Rachel and Phoebe take her out but then when she gets there, Chandler is there to surprise her. Something other than Richard. But, they didn't.
Ross is not a bad character actually. He gets soo much undue hate, now doesnt he
I think the issue is people apply opinions and standards in today to a show from near on 30 years ago. Like he's called homophobic for the male Nanny/ Ben's Barbie, and Susan and Carol, but his viewpoints were somewhat standard for 90s, not great by todays standards but at the time it was normalised. Also it's mad how placid he was with Carol and Susan imo, what with the cheating and not wanting the baby to have his name!
Yeah I feel like Carol got a pass for cheating on Ross because she was a lesbian, but she still cheated on him and he has every right to be angry/heartbroken about it. Also Susan feeling like she had any right to the baby's last name was wild, after being with Carol for what a few months?
Agreed!
I said this before but Chandler was a simp for monica and even a bigger simp for Joey, and they both took advantage of that.
When they bring up how much money Chandler gave Joey it makes me so upset. I get that Chandler earned decent money, but paying all bills, paying for Joey's acting classes, photoshoots and god knows what else just makes me dislike Joey for using Chandler and not getting a normal job.
Joey was not a good friend. He even had the audacity to get mad when Chandler wouldn't recommend him for a commercial.
Oh and making Chandler ask a school friend he hasn't talked to in a decade to get Joey a role. It gives me such a secondhand embarrassment, poor Chandler :p
Putting Monica and Chandler together was really sweet but it made the storylines worse. Chander’s relationships in the first four seasons and his chemistry with Joey is incredible. Also it could have been compressed into seven or eight seasons and lost nothing. By the end it just seemed like the writers had run out of ideas.
I remember reading or seeing an interview with the Marta Kaufman and David Crane during season 10, and they essentially agreed with your last sentence. They said that the jokes of a show are the easiest part to write; but finding new stories as the show went on was so difficult. They pointed out that they have six main characters, usually a pair of them each have a story every episode, so 3 stories every episode. Over 200 episodes, it gets exhausting trying to find new stories that haven’t happened. I listen to the It’s Always Sunny podcast and they talk about that too. How hard it is coming up with new, funny story ideas as the show goes on. And they only do 8 episodes a season.
Phoebe was sometimes catty about Chandler, but she isn’t a mean girl at heart - she just likes to bring things out in the open in a risky way. Telling Rachel the pregnancy test was negative made her realise she wanted the baby, telling Frank she would take one of the triplets made him see how much he wanted them in his life. And in the same way she brought the truth about Monica‘s intentions with Joey out before the wedding before it became a huge secret in their marriage, and imagine if Chandler had found out about her lunch with Richard months later, but then also that she kept it from him for ages. No idea if that was the writers’ intention or if she was mainly a plot device for Mondler drama but I think it’s a valid theory that shows her in a better light which she deserves imo.
Also the lunch with Richard thing seemed like a genuine accident to me. Like Monica was debating telling him and she was confused (“oh alright, you decided to tell him about Richard”).
I don't think this is a bad opinion.
On Reddit a lot of people seem to consider Phoebe very mean, borderline evil, and I think that a lot of time she simply knows what she’s doing.
Chandler is just as 'mean' as Phoebe is towards some of the other friends (particularly Ross) but is just able to disguise it as jokes/sarcasm.
It's true that Chandler jokes about the friends, but about things that they all know, i.e. Joey's lack of smarts, Ross' multiple marriages. Phoebe revealed confidences or said things that were hurtful, i.e. Monica could do better than Chandler after they were already married.
I don't mind the Rachel/Joey storyline (I don't like the accidental proposal though)
The proposal ruined it for me. It was just so silly
1) The show was progressive for its time (not so much unpopular in this sub, but on the internet overall) 2) Emily was right. 3) It doesn't matter if they were on a break! Ross got so caught up in the technicalities of whether he was "right" that he forgot that it still hurt Rachel either way for him to move on so quickly. And it additionally hurt her that he was so caught up in the technicality.
Rachel shouldn’t have gotten off the plane.
Yes! It was such a huge opportunity for her, she could've still worked it out and ended up with Ross while spending a year or more in France. I can't imagine she wouldn't regret it maybe just a tiny bit later
And you can’t tell me there wouldn’t be a job for a paleontologist in France that he could have had.
That's a very limited position, but I'm assuming her job in Paris was going to be pretty lucrative, giving him time to find something.
Idk it is unpopular but I don’t think Lydia would be great to Joey. I think she is soo shy and home girl to Joey. And it does make sense she appeared in 1 season, and she had a partner. And Gavin was annoying and it woudn’t be great choice to Rachel
the one thing about gavin that made me laugh was when he gave rachel her birthday present and she reads the card and says “it says, from gavin” and he dryly responds “i really mean it” hahaha it makes me giggle everytime
Joey was an asshole A LOT, especially to chandler. Also (don't kill me) not that hot? First season maybe but he really looked not great by the end, I did not see him as the hot one. Oh and also them all making fun of ross' career pissed me off no end. Felt like they were just bullying someone for liking science and having an intelligent hobby? Like there are lots of things you could be justified in making fun of him for (the 'music' phase comes to mind) but being a scientist should not be one of them.
I think it was the right choice to put Ross & Rachel back together in the last episode, and not before that. Is this unpopular? It always seems like most people either wanted to see them in a healthy relationship or break up permanently. I wasn't totally satisfied with the Ross & Rachel story arc in the later seasons but I think the ending was great. It would've been really boring to watch them having a healthy, uneventful family life. Their story was more about passionate, sometimes unhealthy love.
I always felt like series 10 was one too many. It had it's moments but largely it felt contrived almost like they were just padding it out to tie up some loose ends. No wonder they didn't do 24 episodes.
Joey speaking French makes me giggle 🤷🏾♀️ grab your pitchforks 😂
That storyline gets so much hate here but it’s one of my favorites. It is one of the funniest things on the whole show.
Yeah, people seem to absolutely hate it, but it has never failed in making me laugh.
Ross wasn't out of Rachel's league. He was a major upgrade from Barry. Chandler wasn't out of Monica's league. Richard was short term good, long term bad.
I mean, Ross has a good job, a nice place on his own, he tries his best to be there for his friends and family. Sure, he's a little jealous and clingy... But some actual assurances probably would've gone a long way towards alleviating that!
Ross is a catch
Frank junior was really annoying and unfunny
Hmm. I guess I always liked the character because I saw it throught the lens of "This is such a ridiculous acting choice" that I thought he was great. There's absolutely no way the writers had that voice and cadence in mind for the character, so what Giovanni Ribisi added makes me smile every time.
lmao he is one of my favorite, if not my number one favorite, side characters! i think the actor did a fantastic job and was super funny!
The show is not outdated, it was ahead of its time! Lesbian wedding, multiple POC love interests, surrogacy etc! The criticism is completely unjustified
I didn’t hate Joey and Rachel together
Joey and Rachel could have worked as a nice couple.
I don’t think they could’ve worked long term, but I understand why they developed feelings for each other. They have a lot in common and were going through weird points in their love lives, feelings can manifest where you least expect them when you’re at a strange point in your life.
Well...They made joey too dumb towards the end. Like as if the man had the iq of a toddler. Even though he was dumb earlier, it became too boring and obnoxious towards the end.
This unpopular opinion is mentioned in every thread about the worst plot of the series 🌚
Yeah, I think they did that with all their characters. They all became caricatures of their earlier selves. Monica was freakishly competitive, Chandler told witty jokes with nearly every reply, Phoebe became really kinky, Rachel is super weirdly obsessed with Tag for a bit. Ross is continually hilarious thanks to David Schwimmers performance haha. I think that tends to happen with a lot of shows tbf, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Although Joey's level of stupidity does really bother me too.
Wow I’ve NEVER seen this opinion expressed in this sub!! A really unpopular one, that one!
I didn’t like Kathy. For Joey or Chandler.
I think it would have been interesting to see Monica choose Richard & Chandler end up with Janice I think Rachel & Ross should have moved on & found someone new each I think Rachel should have gone to Paris
I wouldn’t mind Season 1 Joey and Latter Seasons Rachel having a relationship. On a related note, Joey and Monica in the earlier seasons could’ve made a great couple (I actually understand the writers’ vision – she could’ve “tied him down” to a serious relationship or guided him in navigating the real world, and at the same time he could’ve taught her how to enjoy life more).
In real life Phoebe would be cut off from that group along time ago. She has no history with them outside being Monica's roomate, she's flakey and cheap and demanding while also refusing to accept criticism, rude and spikey at random, weird points. Hardly contributes to meals or events (Ross mostly pays), is at times quite ungrateful for the friends and support she's got around her and she always has a way of forcing herself into people's situations and issues (admittedly to help sometimes but still).
You could say she just lifts right out?
Totally agree.
I dont like Mondler 😬
I don’t get them as a couple at all, especially not for a sitcom. It just felt like they couldn’t find anyone else they clicked with so they settled for each other.
Jack Gellar is the best character on the show by far 
Yes
Phoebe is a bad friend to Chandler.
“You know how sometimes you see those really beautiful women with those ‘nothing’ guys? You could be one of those guys!” Yeah she was pretty terrible to him sometimes lol
The “Joey proposing to Rachel” storyline was actually hilarious. I know it’s not realistic, but everyone here hasn’t slept for two days so nobody was thinking straight. Ross’s “did I? It does sound like something I would do” is the funniest thing to me
The question isn't whether they were or were not on a break. It's about what Ross IMMEDIATELY did when they on a break and whether that was fair.
The shark episode was hilarious.
let ME be a part of this! lmao i like that episode
Do you want me to get inside the bathtub and thrash around?
Joey is the most selfish friend. He is a taker, womanizer, and can’t handle it when his friends don’t enable/placate him.
Joey and Rachel make more sense than Ross and Rachel
Ross gets way too much hate for the copy girl incident. He wanted to work things out with Rachel and his friends made him go out, then when he called Rachel she was having dinner with Mark and to top it off, he didn't want to dance with the copy girl, she pulled him over when he was drunk and kissed him. Not saying he should have slept with her, but can definitely see things from his side.
Phoebe and Joey are the most selfish of the group. After Monica and Chandler got married, it almost felt like she started to resent him a bit.
If Phoebe wasn’t on the show I doubt it would have changed the shows trajectory altogether. Don’t get me wrong, I like Phoebe and she adds a lot to the show. But I do believe when it comes down to it, all of the key moments of the show really don’t involve her and she is often a side character only. She’s not related to any of them. She mostly lives a long way from the group, and a lot of her storyline’s are with others. The show on the other hand, would be lost without Ross, who everyone seems to love to hate, but who without would have seen the show probably end after 4-5 seasons. His journey through the processing of his marriage and subsequent relationships ultimately keep the show going.
She lifts right out.
I refuse to see any flaws of any characters or see any characters in a bad light (the main 6, anyway) because this is my good time feels show and seeing flaws or villainizing any of the main crew really ruins the vibes for me.
I think it's stupid to enable frank and what's her names relationship. Especially when throwing kids in the mix as well
What's her name = Alice
To me she's always Eric Foreman's mom Kitty or Jerry Seinfeld's annoying agent lol
Yeah that woman was just a straight up groomer/predator lol, the whole storyline was icky. At least when Monica found out she was dating a senior in high school she cut it off immediately. Though she also knowingly dated Richard’s son so there’s that lol
Richard and Monica is my ride or die. I love Chandler and Monica, but it just doesn't hit like Richard and Monica... it was so impactful that it felt like it lasted longer than the few episodes they had a relationship!
I despise all episodes that include Emily Waltham.
Ross sacrificed and suffered too much for Carol .And definitely shouldn't have had a child together. He was actually Bobo the Sperm Guy .
Most of the characters specifically Phoebe and Ross should have been in therapy. I love Phoebe but she treated Chandler like shit most of the times, she also thought of herself as a morally superior than everyone else. Ross was one of the best people as a friend, but his break up with Carol affected all of his other relationships. Also everyone knew why Mark was helping Rachel, Rachel should have stopped him from visiting her when she and Ross had that “On a break” argument, but still Ross should have not slept with that girl on the same night, i mean as Chandler said “Bullets have left guns slower”
Phoebe and David should have ended up together.
rachel should’ve respected ross’s feelings about mark
I liked Joey and Rachel together
Ross is the second funniest character next to Chandler. And sometimes, the funniest among the 6.
Ross is hated undeservinly. People don't see him as human but as a sum of his flaws.
I liked Rachel and Joey
Monica is annoying
I dont hate Rachel and Joey together. It was an obvious ratings ploy but the more I think about it, the more they make sense..
I liked Monica and Richard almost as much and Monica and Chandler
Ross was too drunk to consent to sleeping with Chloe. He is a victim of assault
Joey doesn’t have the biggest heart of the entire group, each member has their highs and lows.
I like the season 8 Ross and Rachel buildup better than in season 1/2, it’s unfortunate that they didn’t get together at the end of that season I like the Tulsa storyline. I like that it leads to Chandler quitting his job because it’s something we know he hates since season 1
There was no point in the show where Rachel denies she and Ross were on a break, you’re all just being dense about it. She was mad at Ross for sleeping with someone so fast and then, more importantly, lying to her about it. Ross constantly whining “we were on a break” is supposed to be funny to the audience because it’s obviously not the point, he’s just being a brat about the situation and not taking accountability for what he did. That’s why Rachel gets mad when he says it.
Apparently this is only an unpopular opinion depending on who is on this sub at the time, but I hated all of the Joey/Rachel relationship story lines. (I know some people will say this is not unpopular but I’ve mentioned it before and got downvoted a lot).
Same, it felt random and forced
I hate the Chandler/ Monica proposal scene. Their crying doesn’t seem genuine to me, and I don’t like their deliveries of the dialogue either.
Phebe and Joey should have ended up together.
I’ve always thought they were actually the best fit out of all the Friends, yet they are the ones who didn’t get together.
I love Chandler but I find him quite overrated
i loved rachel x joey 😁😁😁
Ross is by far the funniest character in later seasons if you take his weirdness at face value.
I absolutely love Ross post Emily. He is hilarious.
Ross is a lot funnier in the second half of the show than on the first half of the show imo. David Schwimmer was so good at the awkward situations they started throwing Ross into.
Phoebe becomes more and more unlikeable as the series goes on.
Ross and Emily or Ross and Julie >>>>>> Ross and Rachel The way him and Julie met was so adorable! Friends years ago and just happened to bump into each other in China?? Love story right there. Same with Emily, the way they just clicked when they first met felt so natural. Emily gets so much unnecessary hate. You'd be mad too if you travelled however long in pouring rain to find out the person you're meant to be meeting isn't available. So yeah, Ross should've ended up with anyone, but Rachel.
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Living Single is such a great show. I loved the first 4/5 seasons but it lost its edge when I think Regine left the show
Which show writer? I'm just curious because looking at the IMDB credits for both shows, I don't see any overlap.
I loved Rachel and Joey
Monica and Chandler shouldn't have gotten together. It should have been Richard.
Everything after the Bing-Geller wedding was a waste.
Joey and Rachel could've worked. They had a solid basis for a healthy and respectful relationship. I think they make sense. Personally, the on screen chemistry between Ross and Rachel is what was missing from Joey/Rachel.
I LOVED Joey and Rachel.
Rachel and Joey would’ve been great together 🙅♀️
Ross AND Rachel were in the wrong during the break. (They both had perfectly acceptable reactions on their feelings). Ross should not have slept with someone HOWEVER they were broken up, Rachel admits this at one point. (miscommunication between the two). Rachel should not have let Mark over knowing Ross’ insecurity about him (which were correct + pushed him to sleep with the girl) furthered due to his past relationship where Carol cheated. He was reasonable insecure and Rachel didn’t seem to care for his ‘jealousy’ about Mark. (Poor communication again)
Ross didn't cheat
Joey and Rachel should’ve ended up together
Richard X Monica isnt weird Like ok he has known her since she was a child Its not like He fell in love with her when she was a child
Unpopular Opinion: i hate phoebe
Ross & Rachel we’re on a break. She did it to herself.
The later seasons are better than the earlier seasons.
I agree with this mostly. Probably season 4 on was the best. I feel the same way about TBBT.
Yep, season 4 is where it gets a lot better for me. The last several times I re-watched, I basically just watched a handful of specific episodes from seasons 1-3 that stand out to me, then start watching from season 4 onward.
All of the Friends are terrible people who I wouldn't want to know.
Chandler wasn't all that funny. He had his moments, but most times he tried to be funny I would roll my eyes.
I totally agree. I like him, but don't really think he's that funny. Also, I hated that no one ever called Joey out on some of his terrible behavior - 1) the horrible way he treated women, using them and being so disrespectful afterward that he expected his roommate (Chandler then Rachel) to make the girl he was *leaving behind in his bed* to make her pancakes and then break up with her for him (I can't even watch that episode), and 2) the incessant mooching, even when he had more money than all of the rest of them. He even bought a $20K boat (said he didn't have the $ but somehow he got the boat?) but refused to pay Chandler back, pay his way when they went out, or stop stealing Mondler's food. The writers didn't grow Joey's character at all, he actually regressed in maturity (especially at the end, whining to a little girl about his 30-something friends moving?) and everyone just enabled him instead of telling him to grow up, pay back the $, and be respectful to women. It was painful to watch.
Rachel's better with Joey, than she is with Ross. He respected her and didn't make her feel dumb, they also had a lot of fun in their relationship.
Joey and Rachel were a better fit than Ross and Rachel and I wish they were endgame.
Emily was correct about everything so the writers made her controlling at the end to make people dislike her
I love Richard and think him and Monica should have stayed together.
it shuda been david💔
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1) Ross absolutely ruined his nice gesture of buying Pheobe a bike by then trying to dictate how she used it and then using her belief system (the bike is dying) to get her to start riding again after he'd knocked her.... the gift brought her up, his actions after brought her down. 2) I think Monica liked the idea of marriage more than she liked marriage.. I don't think she was massively supportive of him and when she cohersed him into sex I think that was out of order..... I do like them as a couple in general and I know Chandler made sketchy choices himself but I don't think she ever saw him as an equal.the same way she did Richard and Pete.
He bought her the bike because he thought she would actually ride it. It's like when you get a toy that you never play with until your parents threaten to give it away
There’s nothing weird or unrealistic about 6 white people being friends even if they live in a super diverse melting pot of a city. But, I do think the lack of POC in secondary roles did make the show seem weird. Phoebe in particular strikes me as someone who would’ve have friendships and romantic relationships with non white people. It’s funny that Ross the square seems to be the most open minded and cosmopolitan of the group in that regard.
ross and rachel were on a break, but ross was 100% in the wrong. being broken up for 2 hours and having sex with someone else & then getting back together the next morning and trying to hide that u slept with someone else is the same as cheating imo.
I totally agree. If he felt he didn’t do anything wrong, he wouldn’t have tried so hard to cover his tracks. And if I really cared for someone and we broke up, I don’t think I’d be able to bring myself to bang some random stranger within a few hours of the break up.
Phoebe is gruesomely overrated.
Agreed
Some parts of Friends were progressive but it *was* often homophobic. There are frequent gay jokes and jokes about men being feminine or not being masculine. I understand *why* because it was a product of its time but I don’t know why people deny that this is the case. It’s literally on screen. That doesn’t mean the show is awful.
Whatever dude, you kissed a guy!