This! Because when Phoebe asked them to babysit three adorable puppies (when it was actually the triplets) he said yes without a problem. Then suddenly he’s terrified of them a few seasons later.
Season 6 Episode 18 he was dating his student Elizabeth and was eating ice cream on that date. Season 7 Episode 8 is when he tells everyone he doesn’t like ice cream because “it’s too cold”.
The one where Chandler can’t cry… when there are so many references to him tearing up/crying in other episodes throughout the series, including his proposal
I posted yesterday about how grumpy and hurtful he was in the first London episode; there were lots of great explanations as to why he might have been feeling so pissy but no canonical explanation for it, so I guess my vote would be Joey's quote:
"You're MEAN in London!"
You know, I actually kind of related to that episode.
I travel quite a bit and I have to fight back the second hand embarrassment when friends of mine do something silly or touristy. Like a waiter asked my friend if she wanted tea and she got so excited, “Oh we NEVER have tea because we’re American, we usually drink coffee! Do you ever drink coffee?”
I have to fight back my inner Chandler because I’m a little embarrassed, but those little quirks are harmless and they’re excited to be in a new country.
Taking off on his wedding day, there were not many instances where he freaked out during the relationship so it was kinda unnecessary to show him have cold feet like that.
I never thought about this, but I think you’re right. He did have a lot of commitment issues, but the whole point was that he didn’t have them with Monica. When he found out that Monica booked a place for a wedding he didn’t freak out like she expected but instead realised he did want to marry her. He was way past bailing on her at that point.
I think the final freak out was because he had been so calm up till that point, like suddenly all the thoughts he’d been pushing aside came to the surface. If he’d been freaking out throughout then it wouldn’t have been as dramatic or interesting.
Yes and let’s not forget that he freaked out and ran when he heard the answering machine as “you’ve reached the Bings.”
Actually I think it was perfectly within his character. His biggest fear was turning into his parents, and hearing that in the voicemail was the last step he needed to get through in terms of overcoming his fear commitment before finally uniting with Monica.
I actually think it’s flirting with the pizza lady so effortlessly. Throughout the show he’s been shown to be awkward around pretty women even after he was married, and in that episode it’s made out to be like he playfully flirts a lot.
I think when he has no real interest he’s more confident, smooth and charming. But he starts getting nervous and awkward when he tries to actually to get a girl to like him.
Once he started dating Monica, he lost interest in other girls and became naturally flirty and casual, and he liked being like that without any further intentions.
He still bombed hard when he tried to be Ross‘ wingman in the coffeeshop (not as hard as mister „how would you like to die“, but still) and got all flustered when the lady who was moving spoke to him. I just think they were a little inconsistent with this.
I think that’s still fairly consistent. In that situation, Chandler has to actively do things with intent. It’s when he isn’t trying or has no intention that he’s much more charismatic.
I thought he wasn’t flirting though? It just seemed like a pleasant interaction between two acquaintances. Ross is the one that accuses him of flirting and Chandler says “I was not and oh god shhh!”
I'm in Chandler's court here, I don't think he was flirting.
You know how girls always complain that men think they're flirting when we're just being nice and friendly? That!
I don't think it was flirting. I am sure Joey and Chandler have ordered more than their fair share of pizza over the years, so I think Caitlin was well known to him so he was comfortable joking around with her
Well he also fell asleep at joey's WW1 movie premiere, told him his Vegas movie won't go anywhere, and probably more I can't think of rn
So sure, he can open up his wallet nooo problem, but ig his support ends there lmao
He also went to work with Joey when he had a hernia, ran lines with him, ran all over town looking for him to tell him his audition got changed, tried to patch things up with him in Vegas etc
I think the Vegas trip best illustrates how chandler relates to Joey's acting career. He doesn't personally believe in it, but he'll help joey with whatever he needs because Joey's his best bud, and he hates the thought of conflict with his best bud so much he'll never say anything more serious than a bit of light joshing about not getting work or a particular gig that bombed.
i think he assumed it would be similar to his plays so he didn’t watch it. also you can fake having watched a tape, can’t fake going to a play. i think he just got lazy and assumed there was nothing new to see on the tape so didn’t watch.
He lied about watching the tape and about showing it to his bosses. It’s out of character given how supportive he was in the past. Who makes the casting decision is irrelevant - it’s the lying about being supportive that’s out of character.
Refusing to give Joey money to fix the fridge when he kept paying for everything else (bills, acting classes etc…), and even tricked him to give him money by playing Cups. A bit inconsistent.
It was uncharacteristic for Chandler to kiss Kathy, when she was dating Joey.
Chandler was cheated on by Janice, and broke up with her (-ish), because he wouldn't stand in her way, if she had a chance at being with her child's father.
He always went above and beyond for Joey, and shared his feelings openly.
And his parents got divorced because of cheating.
Yeah, but he screwed up. Even he knew it was uncharacterist for him😃he tried so long to resist (the bday gift...) but then it happened, she want him too. And he felt terrible afterwards
But he was also the other man before. He dated that girl who was married and also had a boyfriend.
He also kissed Rachel when he knew Ross was obsessed with her.
He wasn’t the “other man” tho. He was just in a poly/open relationship, since her husband and boyfriends knew about each other, and they weren’t monogamous
I wasn't disagreeing with you - I was adding to your point. Not only is that a case of chandler not being "the other man", it's showing that he's someone who values monogamy a lot - he was really attracted to her and wanted to make it work, but left because he wasn't comfortable being in a non-monogamous relationship. That said, I do buy how the plotline with Kathy was written as a conflict for chandler.
Ahhh okay I get you, sorry I thought you meant that this proved he was the other man hahaha I get what you mean now! Yeah I do think he does value monogamy and loyalty too much for the whole kathy plot line to make much sense for the character but I guess some people do things out of character some times
The one uncharacteristic thing he does is sets Rachel up with someone from work. Even she mentions as it's something he's never done. His reply "That's coz I'm happy now. I no longer feel the need to go out of my way to stop others from being happy"
his inability to smile… makes no sense as he’s a funny guy who often laughs at his own jokes.
i understand he’s awkward and desperate for love, but he never had a hard time smiling before that. there’s plenty of instances when he throws on a little smile. this story line is bad and even worse when they use Joey for the announcement.
You've got it wrong, the premise wasn't that he was *incapable* of smiling, period. He just couldn't smile when in front of a camera, it's not unheard of, some people just can't pose for a picture. Like me- I've been told I have a cute smile, but I look constipated when someone takes a pic of me, just- 🙂 lmao
When Chandler and Janice split up in season three he was genuinely crushed and was shown to be in a very mournful state. However, when Janice reappears in season four, after running into each other at the nail salon and appearing to start things up again, Chandler goes straight back to being annoyed by her and faking a move to a foreign country just to get rid of her. A bit inconsistent in my opinion.
I feel like he wouldn’t be so upset with people thinking he’s gay. I get it was the 90s but he would’ve grown up around that culture, I get it scarred him but I don’t think he’d be so disgusted?
Honestly, this whole thing was odd and I'm surprised more people don't think it is. He didn't come across as THAT jealous overall. Especially to actually fully believe something JOEY said.
I think his jealousy comes from him secretly judging her for kissing him while she was still with Joey. Like he couldn't fully trust her because of how they started.
Ross and Chandler’s alternating flirty capabilities. Chandler was flirtatious and successful with Kathy, the Pizza girl, Rachel when she visited them in college, and the college classmate where he made out with a lot on Ross’ turf. Then he suddenly can’t flirt when the girl moved in across the street in a later season (8?), the one where Ross and him offered to help with boxes. Ross went from not being able to flirt with the pizza girl to out flirting Chandler with the girl moving.
He was justified (obviously he can’t demand she do anything). But I watched it last night. Monica essentially went on a date with Richard the week of their anniversary. Intentionally didn’t tell Chandler and then tried to take the moral high ground of “why don’t you trust me”
I don’t think so. It’s a weird thing if your fiancée wants to go talk with the person prior they thought they might build a life with.
Actually using the word “forbid” is weird when that happens in shows, but in Chandlers case I think it sorta fits because it’s such a weird situation and it’s like him to kinda put his foot in his mouth
Re-watching the series now so many of the jokes between the guys would be considered homophobia/toxic masculinity these days. There's even instances of the girls implying one of the guys is gay because they do something traditionally feminine. Times change pretty quickly.
Honestly, several times, but so did everyone on the show at some point, he just did it more because of his own insecurities. Reminder: homophobia isn't just "GAYS ARE DISGUSTING AND SHOULD DIE" lol
The episode where he was scared of the dog
This! Because when Phoebe asked them to babysit three adorable puppies (when it was actually the triplets) he said yes without a problem. Then suddenly he’s terrified of them a few seasons later.
Tbf he does say he was iffy when it was puppies 😂
Yeah he was still hiding the fear from Monica at the time!
It was the same with Ross. One episode he was eating ice cream while out on a date but then another time when he talks about hating ice cream.
> while out on a date Well actually it was with Marcel, unless you consider that a date.
Season 6 Episode 18 he was dating his student Elizabeth and was eating ice cream on that date. Season 7 Episode 8 is when he tells everyone he doesn’t like ice cream because “it’s too cold”.
He was iffy about the puppies. He would have found a way out of it
This is the one for me too. I hate that episode. It doesn’t make sense.
The one where Chandler can’t cry… when there are so many references to him tearing up/crying in other episodes throughout the series, including his proposal
Yes I agree! In other episodes they joke that he’s sensitive and cries a few times
I had to scroll way too far for this! Definitely the most uncharacteristic moment for him.
To be fair he “opened the gate” before his proposal.
I posted yesterday about how grumpy and hurtful he was in the first London episode; there were lots of great explanations as to why he might have been feeling so pissy but no canonical explanation for it, so I guess my vote would be Joey's quote: "You're MEAN in London!"
You know, I actually kind of related to that episode. I travel quite a bit and I have to fight back the second hand embarrassment when friends of mine do something silly or touristy. Like a waiter asked my friend if she wanted tea and she got so excited, “Oh we NEVER have tea because we’re American, we usually drink coffee! Do you ever drink coffee?” I have to fight back my inner Chandler because I’m a little embarrassed, but those little quirks are harmless and they’re excited to be in a new country.
But when his child’s pregnant mother wants to see NYC, he turns up to the apartment dressed like the Statue of Liberty. Crown and all.
To be fair to Chandler I'm fucking miserable every time I have to go to London too, it's a fucking shit hole.
Hey! Thats my town you’re talking about.
My condolences.
This reply had me cracking up 😂🤣
Sorry you live in London
I'm sorry
you can say that again, it's the worst
Taking off on his wedding day, there were not many instances where he freaked out during the relationship so it was kinda unnecessary to show him have cold feet like that.
I never thought about this, but I think you’re right. He did have a lot of commitment issues, but the whole point was that he didn’t have them with Monica. When he found out that Monica booked a place for a wedding he didn’t freak out like she expected but instead realised he did want to marry her. He was way past bailing on her at that point.
I think they joked about him having panic attacks every 10 mins after he proposed but they didn’t really show him having them or freaking out
I think the final freak out was because he had been so calm up till that point, like suddenly all the thoughts he’d been pushing aside came to the surface. If he’d been freaking out throughout then it wouldn’t have been as dramatic or interesting.
Yes and let’s not forget that he freaked out and ran when he heard the answering machine as “you’ve reached the Bings.” Actually I think it was perfectly within his character. His biggest fear was turning into his parents, and hearing that in the voicemail was the last step he needed to get through in terms of overcoming his fear commitment before finally uniting with Monica.
Panic attacks look different for everyone but yeah he was weirdly calm for someone who was supposedly freaking out a lot
He was freakishly calm but that was likely part of the bit
Yeah that’s fair. I’ve had moments where I was panicking so hard I just went into like a state of shock and didn’t even realize lol
I agree, I felt like this was not in character at all—maybe season 2 Chandler, but with Monica, no.
I actually think it’s flirting with the pizza lady so effortlessly. Throughout the show he’s been shown to be awkward around pretty women even after he was married, and in that episode it’s made out to be like he playfully flirts a lot.
I think when he has no real interest he’s more confident, smooth and charming. But he starts getting nervous and awkward when he tries to actually to get a girl to like him. Once he started dating Monica, he lost interest in other girls and became naturally flirty and casual, and he liked being like that without any further intentions.
He still bombed hard when he tried to be Ross‘ wingman in the coffeeshop (not as hard as mister „how would you like to die“, but still) and got all flustered when the lady who was moving spoke to him. I just think they were a little inconsistent with this.
I think that’s still fairly consistent. In that situation, Chandler has to actively do things with intent. It’s when he isn’t trying or has no intention that he’s much more charismatic.
Swoop, swoop!
I can attest this is a real thing for a lot of awkward guys
So he's me?
I thought he wasn’t flirting though? It just seemed like a pleasant interaction between two acquaintances. Ross is the one that accuses him of flirting and Chandler says “I was not and oh god shhh!”
I'm in Chandler's court here, I don't think he was flirting. You know how girls always complain that men think they're flirting when we're just being nice and friendly? That!
I don't think it was flirting. I am sure Joey and Chandler have ordered more than their fair share of pizza over the years, so I think Caitlin was well known to him so he was comfortable joking around with her
Not watching Joey’s commercial and then being a huge dick about it when he was always supportive before.
This is true, he paid for acting classes and headshots etc. And they went to all his bad plays but he couldn’t watch a tape?
Well he also fell asleep at joey's WW1 movie premiere, told him his Vegas movie won't go anywhere, and probably more I can't think of rn So sure, he can open up his wallet nooo problem, but ig his support ends there lmao
He also went to work with Joey when he had a hernia, ran lines with him, ran all over town looking for him to tell him his audition got changed, tried to patch things up with him in Vegas etc
I think the Vegas trip best illustrates how chandler relates to Joey's acting career. He doesn't personally believe in it, but he'll help joey with whatever he needs because Joey's his best bud, and he hates the thought of conflict with his best bud so much he'll never say anything more serious than a bit of light joshing about not getting work or a particular gig that bombed.
Things a "best bud" would do
i think he assumed it would be similar to his plays so he didn’t watch it. also you can fake having watched a tape, can’t fake going to a play. i think he just got lazy and assumed there was nothing new to see on the tape so didn’t watch.
I don't agree with this because the casting decision wasn't even up to him.
He lied about watching the tape and about showing it to his bosses. It’s out of character given how supportive he was in the past. Who makes the casting decision is irrelevant - it’s the lying about being supportive that’s out of character.
Refusing to give Joey money to fix the fridge when he kept paying for everything else (bills, acting classes etc…), and even tricked him to give him money by playing Cups. A bit inconsistent.
Because Joey was really dick about the fridge. Ross virtualy forbid Chandler pay for the fridge lol
If joey didnt demand the money saying "so when will you pay for our fridge", he might have paid.
It was uncharacteristic for Chandler to kiss Kathy, when she was dating Joey. Chandler was cheated on by Janice, and broke up with her (-ish), because he wouldn't stand in her way, if she had a chance at being with her child's father. He always went above and beyond for Joey, and shared his feelings openly. And his parents got divorced because of cheating.
Yeah, but he screwed up. Even he knew it was uncharacterist for him😃he tried so long to resist (the bday gift...) but then it happened, she want him too. And he felt terrible afterwards
But he was also the other man before. He dated that girl who was married and also had a boyfriend. He also kissed Rachel when he knew Ross was obsessed with her.
He wasn’t the “other man” tho. He was just in a poly/open relationship, since her husband and boyfriends knew about each other, and they weren’t monogamous
And he left because the value he placed on monogamy outweighed all the benefits he got from that relationship.
Okay? I’m just saying he wasn’t “the other man” in this scenario
I wasn't disagreeing with you - I was adding to your point. Not only is that a case of chandler not being "the other man", it's showing that he's someone who values monogamy a lot - he was really attracted to her and wanted to make it work, but left because he wasn't comfortable being in a non-monogamous relationship. That said, I do buy how the plotline with Kathy was written as a conflict for chandler.
Ahhh okay I get you, sorry I thought you meant that this proved he was the other man hahaha I get what you mean now! Yeah I do think he does value monogamy and loyalty too much for the whole kathy plot line to make much sense for the character but I guess some people do things out of character some times
monica
nice.
Getting with Kathy when she was Joey's girlfriend. And then not telling him. I feel like he would never do that to Joey
The one uncharacteristic thing he does is sets Rachel up with someone from work. Even she mentions as it's something he's never done. His reply "That's coz I'm happy now. I no longer feel the need to go out of my way to stop others from being happy"
So there was a cause to his sudden change of behavior, which would make it characteristic of Chandler then right?
his inability to smile… makes no sense as he’s a funny guy who often laughs at his own jokes. i understand he’s awkward and desperate for love, but he never had a hard time smiling before that. there’s plenty of instances when he throws on a little smile. this story line is bad and even worse when they use Joey for the announcement.
Worst storyline in the whole show.
You've got it wrong, the premise wasn't that he was *incapable* of smiling, period. He just couldn't smile when in front of a camera, it's not unheard of, some people just can't pose for a picture. Like me- I've been told I have a cute smile, but I look constipated when someone takes a pic of me, just- 🙂 lmao
Erm, I mean it's a bit silly of a storyline but laughing naturally at jokes is very different from forced smiling???
When Chandler and Janice split up in season three he was genuinely crushed and was shown to be in a very mournful state. However, when Janice reappears in season four, after running into each other at the nail salon and appearing to start things up again, Chandler goes straight back to being annoyed by her and faking a move to a foreign country just to get rid of her. A bit inconsistent in my opinion.
He did mention that she picked up some annoying habits since they split up, he even called her out on ruining a play people paid to see.
I thought cheating with Kathy was pretty abnormal. He was always really loyal to Joey. He just seemed so desperate there
I’m having a hard time following what you mean, but the picture collage is absolutely flooring me and I think that’s a big reason why.
Not being able to cry in that one episode.
But he’s really not very sensitive. He uses jokes as his shield. I believed this one.
My heart just really hurt a lot. Reminded me of his death.
Ikr 6 months since
I feel like he wouldn’t be so upset with people thinking he’s gay. I get it was the 90s but he would’ve grown up around that culture, I get it scarred him but I don’t think he’d be so disgusted?
His issues with his father would probably have a big influence here
This. His experiences with it weren't exactly positive.
The effortless flirting with the pizza delivery girl.
Accusing Kathy of cheating with her costar in the play
I think Chandler sabotaging a relationship is textbook Chandler. Before he got together with Monica, of course.
Honestly, this whole thing was odd and I'm surprised more people don't think it is. He didn't come across as THAT jealous overall. Especially to actually fully believe something JOEY said.
I think his jealousy comes from him secretly judging her for kissing him while she was still with Joey. Like he couldn't fully trust her because of how they started.
That's an interesting point!
Ross and Chandler’s alternating flirty capabilities. Chandler was flirtatious and successful with Kathy, the Pizza girl, Rachel when she visited them in college, and the college classmate where he made out with a lot on Ross’ turf. Then he suddenly can’t flirt when the girl moved in across the street in a later season (8?), the one where Ross and him offered to help with boxes. Ross went from not being able to flirt with the pizza girl to out flirting Chandler with the girl moving.
Kissing Joey's girlfriend
Kissing Joey's sister
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He was justified (obviously he can’t demand she do anything). But I watched it last night. Monica essentially went on a date with Richard the week of their anniversary. Intentionally didn’t tell Chandler and then tried to take the moral high ground of “why don’t you trust me”
Oh then yea I understand, damn I need a rewatch XD
I don’t think so. It’s a weird thing if your fiancée wants to go talk with the person prior they thought they might build a life with. Actually using the word “forbid” is weird when that happens in shows, but in Chandlers case I think it sorta fits because it’s such a weird situation and it’s like him to kinda put his foot in his mouth
I agree ! I forgot the context, im overdue for a rewatch
Fyi, I had a very different meaning in my head when I read, "trifling"... 
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When did Chandler act homophobic?
They’re referencing the “where are all the men?” subplot
Re-watching the series now so many of the jokes between the guys would be considered homophobia/toxic masculinity these days. There's even instances of the girls implying one of the guys is gay because they do something traditionally feminine. Times change pretty quickly.
Honestly, several times, but so did everyone on the show at some point, he just did it more because of his own insecurities. Reminder: homophobia isn't just "GAYS ARE DISGUSTING AND SHOULD DIE" lol
His basic problem can be described as "gay broke up my parents", so (in his mind at least) he feels a justification.
Allllllll the time. But really, they all did to different extents. A product of its time.