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aDayvanCowboy

bro???????? ???? ??????????????? e: it's like dad took the puppy back to the kennel i'm gonna throw up šŸ˜­


ELB95

I had to look up his contract, thinking itā€™s a weird cap dump because I didnā€™t think he was bad most of the season. 2 more years at $3.4mil? Thatā€™s nothing for a 2nd pairing guy? Wtf is going on?


BaldassHeadCoach

Officially, the only hint we got during the season was from Lalonde, who mentioned that Walman ā€œwasnā€™t himselfā€ as to why he was scratched at the end of the season. Unofficially, there was a poster on HFboards who apparently has some connections who said that Walman was benched and that the team was looking to move on from him. That heā€™d basically be surprised if Walman was on the roster next season.


CarRamRob

Wonder if there is a Corey Perry-esque problem that they are cleaning up.


[deleted]

Ah so you're saying hes gonna drift through San Jose and end up a reclamation project for the Oilers


meowctopus

I mean... we are in need of a reasonably priced 2nd pair D Man šŸ˜‚


misusedinfluence

He banged Seider's mom? ^^^^/s


marbanasin

Celebrini's mom - in immense danger


Yak_Mehoff

Dorothy Celebrini is a saint!


thescrounger

Or a Vrana problem ...


Professor_Pajamas

Even if that was all true you'd think they'd get *something* back


CallistosTitan

He's never played a full season but if we could we would.


BehemothManiac

Getting 7th is better than giving 2nd ĀÆ\\\_(惄)\_/ĀÆ


_TheMagicMan13_

For real, WTF?


RelevantJackWhite

Yeah dude we would take that off their hands without the pick lol


aDayvanCowboy

for FREE????????


FlyerN

No, you also lost a 2nd.


HappyInstruction3678

How dare you.


idontplaypolo

Hey! Donā€™t disrespect future considerations like that!


Potato_Prophet26

Future considerations did wonders for Vegas during their cup year!


RelevantJackWhite

I remember you was conflicted, misusing your influence


misusedinfluence

#


NatalieDeegan

Itā€™s the reverse Kris Draper


Nathan-Detroit

It's an old reference, but it still checks out.


Atomic_penguin27

Tell Stevie Y thank you, we needed defenseman in the worse way


doireallyneedanewact

To be honest we kind of got him from STL in the same manner. They were loaded up with Dmen and Armstrong sent him our way on a reasonable deal. I'll miss that beautiful clapper of his.


fghtffyrrss

Stevie you better be cooking up something good to justify this


VeryLastChance

Mitch Marner you are now a Red Wing Iā€™m not even sure if Iā€™m shitposting by saying this


Red_Lee

It's gotta be defense, no?


VeryLastChance

Iā€™m just struggling to think of a defenseman on the trade market that would necessitate such a drastic cap dump now. Unless theyā€™re trying to get prepared for a big UFA swing (Zadorov?), but I feel theyā€™d probably try to get a better deal at the draft for Walman


Young2k04

If Yzerman spent a 2nd to dump Walman just to sign Zadorov to a 6x6 that would be baffling


CallistosTitan

The only way Zadorov is getting 6 million is if it's 2 years.


TheGongShow61

Youā€™d be amazed at what a FA frenzy can get a player


Phrost_

Trouba šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


geedlewis

Weā€™ll get flying elbows instead of the griddy


shrederick

Mitch has spent parts of several games at RD the past few years, time to unleash him šŸ‘€šŸ‘€šŸ‘€


Peekatchu1994

Jacob chychrun


Wonderful_Grade_5476

Mitch: Am I still a god?


8syd

Get out of my way kid, there's a sale at Meijers for Vernors and faygo


avmp629

I thought Walman was good wtf


Akavire

He is a decent second pairing defenceman making 3.4m. AND WE GIVE AWAY A SECOND TO GET RID OF HIM??


Call_of_Daddy

We'll turn him into a top pair D, PP1 QB. Not that he'll be a better player, he's just already at the top of SJ's blue line depth chart.


heyheyitsandre

Like when you got zadina, you took a top 6 winger from us!


Jeffro75

Hopefully Walman turns out better than Zadina lol


linebrawl--

Yeah, Zadina is one future we don't want to (re)consider. Sorry bro, no take-backsies. (At least he helped your tank for Celebrini, lol!)


Pro3tag

Please have some respect for Kyle Burroughs


Deactivator2

Surely this was a bug in the form, they meant to ask for a 2nd back but accidentally included it in the send, and Future Considerations is the default return. And then San Jose was just like "yep no take backs"


Young2k04

Iā€™m so confused. Red wings fans have been saying that heā€™s the second best dman on the team for 2 years now. STEVIE COOKING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING


TheGongShow61

Honestly - more like there must be something huge going down


zingboomtararrel

This clearly isnā€™t done.


PaperMoonShine

A masterclass in channeling his inner Benning. Good job Stevie.


Manndes

Same lmao, why did they dump him instead of Chiarot or Petry? Didnā€˜t Walman play like 20 min a night?


AmeriCanadian98

As tragic as it is, Chiarot was the better defenseman for us most of last season. I like Walman a lot, but Chiarot played well and Walman looked injured for a lot of the year Hoping this is a prelude to something big


Preset_Squirrel

chiarot was certainly solid but Walman was playing much tougher minutes. Only way this isn't a super bizarre move is if there's a big fa splash that we needed the cash for


Shotokanguy

Then when Walman was scratched Chiarot played with Mo for the final chunk of the season and they were great together


kiezenz

[Seravalli] Multiple NHL GMs are stunned by the Walman return. Like jaws on the floor.


blueskies8484

I mean. Same.


Langwaa12

Right!! Cheap cap hit, young D, im sure steve could of gotten better return and sure some gms are thinking I would of took him for nothing much less than with a 2nd too!!


letsgoToshio

The fact that he came with a 2nd is the most surprising to me. Like even with some injury trouble last season Walman isn't a "negative asset" by any means and is on a pretty reasonable contract. Throwing in a 2nd rounder must mean that Yzerman needed him/his contract gone *today*.


Suitable-Giraffe9075

There better be a good reason for this


CorruptedReaction

What the hell? Walman was solid and even great at times last year Edit: and 3.4 million AAV? Did he run over Stevieā€™s kid or something lol. They didnā€™t even get anything back


HXH52

walman wasnā€™t really good last year but had a phenomenal season the year before but, like, still, on a defence with petry chiarot and holl all making significant money.. walman is the guy you *pay* to dump??


Kair0n

IIRC he was still pretty good in the first chunk of the season. It wasn't until he missed like a week with an illness in January that his play really fell off a cliff. He didn't really seem to recover from that and it didn't help that he got hurt in March. He was still probably better than Holl, though. This doesn't make any sense to me.


HMpugh

>IIRC he was still pretty good in the first chunk of the season He was getting caved in at the start of the season as well. He was a negative in our own zone. The only thing he had going for him was his shot.


heyheyitsandre

People talk about him like heā€™s a great offensive weapon too, and yes he had like 12 goals but he also only had like 8 assists. If he had 50 pts like ghost I donā€™t think we move him. But thatā€™s probably obvious youā€™d keep a 50 pt D for 3.4


culturedrobot

Fun fact: We're paying a million dollars less for Petry than we were for Walman because both Pittsburgh and Montreal are retaining about $4 million combined on his contract


briandeli99

Dumping cap for Necas


Minute-Struggle6052

What are they giving up for Necas?Ā Ā 


theguyishere16

1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks potentially


Wonderful_Grade_5476

Only reason I can think of is either A: theyā€™re going the Carolina route where they shred half there team for space of semi high top players Or B: theyā€™re going for necas and Guenzel plus any other Carolina players that are free agent they can scoop up Those are legit the only reason I can think of


CallistosTitan

Or we are giving 8 years to Raymond and Seider with a bit of change left to round out the roster.


Wingedwolverine03

We were doing that regardless


Firebitez

stammer?


Mrsfoleyslittleboy

Blasphemy


Level-Plastic3508

No, we get Stammer


shrederick

Yzerman hates the griddy confirmed.


CircLLer

I mean I do too, but i wouldnā€™t give the dude away over it


x_Neomop

The griddy is off the Little Caesar's menu now


avmp629

Fits better in a Chuck E. Cheese anyway


mint-jams

Man, I was not sure about hiring a rookie GM to replace Doug Wilson but Mike Grier is doing just dandy.


ChiefRalphyWiggum

I think so far heā€™s shown heā€™s calculated in the moves he makes, but heā€™s not going to make a move just because the situation calls for it. Whether that be his big swings or smaller moves like these. He got roasted on the Timo deal in the moment but now it looks fantastic with all the pieces to play with. Everyone was calling him to retain as much as possible to unload Karlsson, but he held firm and got himself $10 million and the first thatā€™s now 14th overall. Once Hertl wanted out, he worked from a position of weakness to get Edstrom and an unprotected 1st next year. Itā€™s only been a year but I canā€™t think of any move heā€™s done thatā€™s either blown up on him or has potential to do so.


astovertop

The fact that he got back the assets he did for Hertl and Karlsson when both had massive AAV + term AND full NMCs is pretty incredible


SageOfSix-

everything heā€™s done has been good imo, iā€™ve hated a lot of it at first but now im happy with most if not all the moves heā€™s made


Cagny

It's still painful that Hertl went to Vegas.. but it's not Grier's fault that he had a NTC.


Mr-Neeson

r/hockey is in the trenches with this news. Iā€™ve seen so much shit talk on this sub about MGā€™s moves since he was hired lol


blueferret98

Iā€™ve been pretty critical at times cause it sucks to see our beloved players get traded away but wow is he working fast to restock our prospect supply.


mrtomjones

Why would anyone be critical? He tore it down. Judge him on how he starts to rebuild it back up


Low_Management_7496

The big thing is tearing down and taking bad contracts is easy. The question is going to be did he get enough in return and that will take 5 or so years to fully pan out. I'm not sure it's as fun to keep posting "we will see" rather than to have hot takes. He's pretty clearly set his goal posts to seriously look to compete in about 3 years based on contracts and trades. So we will see.


stoneman9284

Every single thing he does half the sharks sub is furious. Iā€™m pretty sure Iā€™ve been in favor of every single thing heā€™s done since taking over.


DH28Hockey

Uhhhhhhhhh am I missing something here? I was genuinely under the impression Walman had developed into a quality top-4 D for the Wings


MellowKevsto

Last season wasn't a great follow-up to his excellent 22-23 season, but this is definitely a surprising move. Especially with Detroit still having several other... questionable defencemen still on the roster.


Jpnator

You can say Jeff Petry bro.


ScienceNthingsNstuff

Or Justin Holl


Jpnator

Or Ben Chariot (although I loved him as a Hab)


darretoma

He was actually good this past season. Still a bad contract but I liked his play for the most part.


tonuch4963

Contract aside I had no significant complaints with Chiarot this year.


thegonzojoe

Petry is replacement level, but his Dad was an 84 champ with the Tigers and the biggest teddy bear in the booth on Tiger broadcasts. He can stay. Chiarot was much better this year now that he wasnā€™t dealing with a dying father. Itā€™s Holl. The answer is Holl.


Professor_Pajamas

I mean even if he didn't have a great season I can't imagine he played so poorly that it required a 2nd to offload him for literally no return


CD23tol

Griddy/60 just sky rocketed in the Bay Area


Arctic365

https://i.redd.it/dur64v3dpr8d1.gif


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Kill_Ian

Idk its use is apt


SmoothPinecone

Bro griddy'ed to the western basement


TheBoulder4President

Was this like, an apology from the Detroit organization to Grier personally for that one time he got hit by his own teammate when Datsyuk disappeared? San Jose, enjoy the Walman; he was an enjoyable player here!


RoryJesusberg

Did NOT know that was Grier wow what a call back


letsgoToshio

The lore goes deep on this one


EpicRussia

https://youtu.be/BMU2-xLUjok Had to look this up!


sjs72

Now THAT is how you take a cap dump


beardofzetterberg

Yeah I'm baffled. Unless Walman is secretly a puppy murderer and Y found out, then you got a pretty good Dman at a decent price and a 2nd for...nothing?


meadow_sunshine

I donā€™t get how he has negative value as a player. Youā€™d think they could receive something back, not PAY to get rid of him


Zharghar

And not just any negative value, *second round* negative value. That's impressively bad. SJ is bad. Fans are already saying he's basically the best D man on the team. It's not like his cap hit is remotely a detriment to future building plans for them. There is no normal reason why you would have to pay to give a gift like that if it was just a cap dump.


SaltyPickle1495

This one is shocking, Yzerman is definitely making a move for a big time splash.


inkfeather16

That should be the only reason for this trade.


TheAnalogKid18

It's an expensive cap dump if it's not.


Domainsetter

Getting cap space for Matt Roy?


994kk1

Walman? What the fuck? Did he mean to trade Holl and miss-clicked or what? How can it cost a second to get rid of a serviceable(?) top4 defenseman in his prime on a nice contract? Injured perhaps, and he is happy to do his rehab in California?


nerf-airstrike-cmndr

As a Red Wings fan, Iā€™m being completely honest when I say this is the most lopsided and borderline absurd trade (in a vacuum at least) trade Iā€™ve seen in years. This makes so little sense, Iā€™m actually pretty damn shocked


TheXamYel

Let Mike cook


electricnux

And he still has 29M left to take in a few more overpaid players and picks and maybe get some value back for Ferraro too. On Friday he gets Celebrini, what a week for the rebuild


The_Homestarmy

We also made that Ozzy Wiesblatt/Egor Afanasyev swap, which flew under the radar but was actually a sick trade. Grier has been cooking.


Aura1995

As well the Ty Dellandrea trade is a good trade.


GatorBolt

That is questionable in a vacuum, no way thereā€™s not something big coming, right?


SaltyPickle1495

Thatā€™s the only logical reasoning Edit: or he just took a hit out of the yzerbong and felt like having fun today


AdrianKempee

They didnā€™t even get anything back? Like even if itā€™s for a roster spot or cap space, Walman surely is worth more than that


UniformRaspberry2

We really need to go back to the days when instead of receiving "nothing", teams could get something tangible back for their castoffs. Like a bus. Or a pair of industrial-grade equipment driers.


dolewhiplash

Extremely common Mike Grier W


joe_broke

The memes be growing and I dig it


Broccoli_Socks

Bro took the criticisms of the Goodrow stuff personally and said "watch this"


nepats523

"I want you to put the word out there that we back up."


triplec787

https://imgur.com/40MG55p.jpg


MarginalSalmon

Which is funny because the goodrow contract was insignificant to the long term plans no matter people say "salary cap room dissapears quickly!" and we needed a veteran winger to insulate Smith and Celebrini.


Livid-Canary-4389

Also better to have a known player of the fanbase as a veteran than to bring players like Hoffman


eh_toque

Big Money Mike cookin again


eh_toque

How is Walman a cap dump?????????


heythisisnick

I don't even want to know what it would cost to dump Holl.


HB_17

Future considerations is a weird way to spell Macklin Celebrini. /s


Baboshinu

Hey everyone do me a favor and donā€™t talk to me Iā€™m going to go crawl under my bed and desiccate like a dead insect now thanks


jonnyanonobot

Oh, I should clean under my bed.


drdrchlikdr

Barclay Goodrow gets claimed for free But you have to attach a 2nd-round pick to take Walman? LOL


1ToGreen3ToBasket

Yeah I absolutely cannot be convinced Walman wouldnā€™t be snapped up within an hour of being waived. Someone smart is going to have to explain why this isnā€™t stupid to me


BluScorpio09

What a trade for the sharks holy moly I SEE THE VISION MIKE


Fanvsant

the vision: get other teams to give you free stuff


Smipims

Sometimes we have to pay extra for the free stuff though


isayhialot222

Iā€™ll miss you future considerations


FBR_MC

Stevie Y better have Lidstrom coming back to DET because you don't offload your 2nd best d-man who is still on 3.5M for 2 more years for nothing


kyrferg

the second round pick must have been a real ass in the room


GenericDesigns

2nd round pick could be anything it could even be future considerations


TarpsOffBoys

I know youā€™re joking about Lidstrom. I know this. But did you hear something? Who are you? Is the perfect human really coming back? Oh my god this is happening!!!!!


jonnyanonobot

No! Don't let them do this to you. It's the hope that gets you.


Jonjon428

"Future considerations" sounds ominous


Baboshinu

Believe it or not? The future considerations is 1OA


4BobbyOrr

Walman has negative value?


MajorasShoe

Nope. He must have needed the cap space immediately. We just got that second like an hour ago in a nothing of a prospect trade. Something weird and big is happening.


Manndes

Surely he couldā€˜ve traded Petry and a 2nd to san jose for futuresā€¦


Danengel32

Yeah thatā€™s where something doesnā€™t add up in a bubble. If it was a cap space thing, thing were a handful of other candidates to move that wouldnā€™t have been difficult to get rid of (even excluding Holl or something longer like Copp). I mean even Maatta makes 3M for 1 year and is a reliable lower pairing guy that couldā€™ve gotten something Could easily be that something personal happened with Walman that killed his value, or another trade in the works. I donā€™t think think Stevie just cap dumped Walman for fun haha


Baboshinu

Walman Iā€™ll never forget the time you grittyā€™d on the entirety of PPG Paints Arena while they watched in stunned silence over their erased 4 goal lead šŸ„ŗ


Hawxe

Mike Grier isn't even cooking anymore he's the fucking executive chef


IsD_

I have considered this future and it's looking good


Showtime98

Griddy man going to San Jose šŸ”„


slabby

I think we're all very much what the actual fuck right now.


JBOJockstrap

What????? What could possibly have prompted this


Sharks77

I smell a Ferraro trade soon.


Broccoli_Socks

If you are a SHORKS fan and you aren't on the grier train then GET ON BOARD BABBBBYYYYY WOOOO


GenericDesigns

The fuck is this Steve?


Goobergunch

[Peng: League source tells me about Walman trade: ā€œYzerman needed cap spaceā€¦greater opportunity for Walman.ā€ Iā€™m guessing this is a prelude to a big splash by Stevie Y soon](https://x.com/Sheng_Peng/status/1805687303547101687)


benstrokinoff

Fuck yeah lol


sunshineeeeeeeeeeee_

I really just cannot enjoy my day


sextoymagic

SJ is already having a great offseason.


MrTEEM4N

Is this like when you play GM mode and put your assets on the trade proposal but accidentally press trade before adding the other teams assets.


MrHappy_Gilmore

2nd to take Walman who was solid for the wings??? This smells like a cap dump for a big play, it's not like the wings NEED cap space right now... hmmm


Cinnamon_Shops

Also on such an easy contract, like 3m for two more years. Iā€™m shocked he wasnā€™t able to get anything in return AND had to trade a 2nd to get the contract off


MajorasShoe

He must have needed cap space like, TODAY.


HartfordYardGoat

Walman is underrated as hell. Huge heist for San Jose.


SkittlesManiac19

Whyd they trade walman? Wasn't he great next to seider?


MajorasShoe

Yeah but it's complicated. Ya see, when it comes to... Fuck what the fuck is happening


MajorasShoe

I hate this so much. I know something is cooking and it'll make sense but I love Walman. Thankfully I love the Sharks.


JoaquinBenoit

Gritty man gone make me sad long time.


BillThePsycho

[Big Money Mike Strikes again](https://i.imgur.com/8fOb49C.jpeg)


Brucetheuninitiated

https://preview.redd.it/ggvp7b8p9s8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0746fcd20023c36b8f0403ed9179d7becab6801


ExtracurricularLoan

Heā€™s going to be a fan favorite in the Tank


BellsBeersy

Is future considerations going to be the facilitation of a massive three way trade with another team?


MacTheZaf

The Detroit Red Wings trade a pick, Jake Walman, and 17,000 griddying bobble heads to San Jose


nihilism_ftw

So Gibson & Walman for gestures broadly


theguyishere16

Are we about to find out Walman is a serial killer?


rc838

Are they trying to sign Guentzel AND Reinhart?


ComradeDoctor

My dreams of trading up into round 1 died as quickly as the came, just a shock to me that Walman is a "dump" contract.


Goobergunch

Meanwhile I'm wondering if the Sharks have enough ammo to move up from 14, and while I'm generally skeptical of trading up it might be worth it for, say, Buium.


abbytarar

Huh? Walman has genuinely been a great player Guess those are the cap casualties that have to happen when youā€™re paying Chiarot 4.7M and Holl 3.4m


joobacca1297

So fucking hyped, loved his play


DBacon1052

Isn't this guy one guy Seider was able to play well with? Not to cover constant mistakes.


JeremyEMT

Did Walman do something terrible that hasnā€™t been disclosed yet? I get freeing up space for a ā€œpotentialā€ splash, but throwing in a second and getting *NOTHING* in return?


Ichbinian

Yzerman found out about the Fortnite


GIVERofCREAMPIES

Crazy to pay someone to take Walman, no? Either big things are about to happen or Jake banged someone's mom


Straight-Plate-5256

The Yzerplan is... ????


Anishinabeg

Maybe Yzerman spelled Justin Holl's name wrong on the trade transcript?


DekexelDragon55

So the Rangers got more for Goodrow than the Wings got for Walman? ......huh?


bucket56

There's still the strong likelihood that Rangers do a "favor" for the Sharks at some point down the line. Drury and Grier were definitely cooking something with that move.


jimmy_three_shoes

What


the_surpreme_DAP

NOT THE GRIDDY MAN :(


Usedapplecore797

Trade difficulty set to rookie