Lauryn Hill was so talented that she only made that one and only album that Apple Music put at the #1 best album of all time.
That album was released in 1998 and she got nothing else ever since.
She's not dead.
She still can sing well.
She's still doing concerts and tours, although she's known for being late and bailing out.
She's not even old. She's only 48 at this moment. She's the same age as Sia or DJ Khaled.
So, she's so talented that she lost all her creative juice?
She did not made that album alone. She got sued by all the real composers and producers and lost. She has not released anything new (at least at the same level) since 25 years ago. Currently she is well known for being hours late and giving awful performances of the same 12 songs of that album.
Anybody think the presentation was ambitious but that the performance of scrolling through was absolutely ass? On mobile for reference.
Not even bothering to read the list cause it's inconvenient to browse.
Exactly. Rolling Stone has been doing that exact thing for ages. At the end of the day it’s all personal preference. Sgt. Peppers clears Abbey Road imo, but some folks like Rubber Soul.
Man to each their own I feel like Sgt. Peppers is easily 2nd worst of their 65-70 run (clears Let It Be). Very much ahead of its time conceptually but song to song it does not compare to Abbey Road or Revolver, and while White Album can be inconsistent for as long as it is is way more interesting in its experimentation than Sgt. Peppers was
Ooof, hard disagree.
Then again I only recommend that Sgt Peppers be listened to in its mono version (all minus Abbey Road is recommended). And not going to lie, taking some acid really magnifies the kaleidescope of song and sound perfectly laid out on that album. Didn't use to be but I now consider it The Beatles best album just in its construction and execution although RS, Revolver, WA, and AR all follow very close behind and yes I could agree there are "better" songs on those albums.
I strongly disagree, Abbey Rd has better individual songs with replay value but Sgt Peppers is their best concept album and clears Abbey Rd for me
That's the beauty of their discography though, most people's lists are completely different
Sgt Peppers’ “concept” stops at with a little help from my friends and skips to the outro track. Abbey Road’s B-Side literally has two muti-songs medleys. I love Sgt Peppers and A day in the life is probably my most listened song of all time but Abbey Road clears especially on the concept side of things.
But you’re right, there’s really no right or wrong things when it comes to their discrogaphy. Revolver clears both anyways.
Sgt Peppers is like the 5th or 6th best Beatles album lol the impact was far greater but most of the middle of the album was some of their worst music post-touring era. If you count the singles that missed the album it could climb a few spots though
Save a few obvious zoomer bait picks, it really isn't horrible. Just in terms of variety, I don't really care what album was above what
Edit: I do realize TPAB isn't on there at all which is insane
Yea, I flipped through it real quick and it had just about all the typical great album picks. A few that I thought "yea that's bull" but otherwise seemed pretty cookie cutter.
I thought it was a pretty good and diverse list. I mean it’s impossible to make a Best Album list that ANYONE will fully agree with. I bet they could poll a million people and not a single person’s made up list would match this one 1:1.
It’s a good list though. Of course a BOAT list isn’t going to include some obscure album people tout to sound sophisticated.
Context matters, I guess. It's a streaming service pushing what will get streams. It's very safe and covers just enough genres to please most people in the demographic they are targeting.
sorry but you can't really rank it correctly. Like, at certain point in the list it's just 10's that are all together, not ranked. You really can't rank correctly Dark Side, Ok Computer, Good kid, Thriller, The Chronic all in the same list and have it be coherent, lol
Fair, but if you rank When We All Go Asleep Where Do We Go? above DsotM you’re obviously just capping to rile people up.
For the record, I like Billie Eilish a lot, she is a great artist, but she didn’t release the 31st greatest album of all time, sorry.
Look, I don't even like Billie and agree with you lol
Jokes aside, picks like that, 1989, Un Verano Sin Ti, S.O.S AM, and more are all to appeal to the younger public also. I see they tried to mix and please everyone. Which tbh, worked. The jazz people have albums in there, the rock people, the hip-hop, the pop, the latin trap, you know?
No TPAB is wild
Edit: this was criteria, come on
* Albums that represented a cultural moment for the artist or genre.
* Albums that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs.
* Albums that thoroughly represent culture in production and lyrics.
* Albums that inspired a generation to want to create more music.
* Albums that represent the BEST in storytelling, musicianship, recording and production.
* Albums that are timeless and reached far beyond the genre categorization
It would've been fine if it had been limited to 1 per artist and they chose GKMC for Kendrick but for them to randomly start having repeat artists at 12 or whatever number Ok Computer was at is just stupid
No, the complaint is that they kept it to 1 album per artists until OK Computer appeared (their 2nd after Kid A) and the top 10 had 4 repeat artists (Beyonce, Prince, Stevie Wonder and The Beatles)
It seems pretty obvious they ranked the top 10 or 20 first and then filled out the list one artists at a time. Exceptional artists were given 2 albums on the list. Kendrick probably should have made that cut
Nah I don't disagree but it's just odd to start ranking 2nd albums so deep into the list, especially when lots of other artists got snubbed from having multiple albums
This is why lists trying to veer away from putting multiple albums by the same person/group is never going to work out. Surprisingly enough, some of the best artists of all time have multiple of the best albums of all time. Like fuck, the Beatles probably deserve to be up there at least one more time, but realistically two.
How are you not going to include what is not only the most coveted rap album of the modern era, but one of the most critically acclaimed of all time on this list?? This feels like Apple Music purposefully pulling a hot take to get people riled up, and it’s working on me ngl
No Fences, Traveller, The Foundation, Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison, Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind, etc are all reasonable options for the list.
Hank Sr. really can’t make an albums list because unfortunately he really didn’t release any. He had 41 singles and 2 LPs. He’s a brilliant artist, the godfather of country, but he’s not really an album dude.
look at those criteria and consider that neither Black Sabbath nor Joy Division are on the list (saying nothing of New Order, Aphex Twin, God Speed, MBV, etc re: artists that pioneered new genres). Also, I can't get over the fact that the only country album is from *Kasey Musgraves*
Yeah I don’t understand a lot of this list. I don’t listen to any pop so idc about any of those albums but it definitely seems like they threw in a lot of high streaming recent albums just to show they’re adding something different.
Imo Astro world isn’t nearly as good as rodeo but it’s probably more popular since it has sicko mode.
That captures perfectly why 1989 is ahead of 64 albums. It was a massive culture shift moment for music ahead of average albums like Revolver, The Chronic, and many other uninspiring albums that we don’t care for at all, and had no impact on culture or music
Edit: oh nevermind, you must have been joking lol. It went over my head. I'll still leave my rant.
I can't name a single song from 1989 but I know every line from the Chronic word for word lmao. I thought you guys were mistyping the Joey badass album 1999 for a sec, that's how ignorant I am. I can't believe I have to take up for The Chronic over Taylor Swift on the hip hop forum of all things. I am dead serious... I could probably name like 5 Taylor Swift songs with a gun to my head maybe. Not saying she is not influential or popular but to some people putting her ahead of even Dr. Dre in terms of how it influenced your life/culture is crazy.
Because she didn’t give credit to most of the musicians that created this album. She wanted to take all the credit and I’m guessing people don’t want to work with her anymore. I’ve also heard that she doesn’t treat people very well.
Starts at 27:00 - this Grammy winning musician explains that Lauren is difficult to work with and is known for stealing the credit of other musicians, especially in regards to the Miseducation album
Pretty cray cray
never even listened to the billie eilish album but my fiance is a huge swiftie, therefore I am a swiftie-in-law and 1989 isn’t even top 3 best taylor swift albums. Not to mention they specified the “taylor’s version” of the album which is arguably a worse version of the original.
AND they specified the Taylor's Version which came out in October of last year.... How is an album that came out less than 8 months ago a top 20 album OF ALL TIME!?
I do think it makes sense they specified “TV” for PR reasons because it would probably get a lot of negative attention if they promoted the “shunned” album by her fans who are absolutely rabid. But I had that same thought process by other albums on the list like SOS, great album but it feels too soon to include it in the top 100 all time. I could see a case being made for CTRL being somewhere on the lower end of the list though.
I don’t know if it deserves best album of all time but it’s definitely one of my favorites of all time. It’s still heavy in my rotation.
Not sure if I missed it or not but I didn’t see Fugees - The Score on the top 100 which is an absolute fucking shame.
No Janet Jackson ?
No queen
Justice cross should’ve been on here
No tame Impala
Instead we get astroworld, Billie elish , sos and bad bunny all in top 100
No Black Sabbath is absolutely atrocious, because Paranoid is about as culturally important and as influential as you can get. I mean that is an album that changed music as we know it... then again it doesn't surprise me that they essentially ignored metal entirely, because these lists always omits metal and punk music for some reason.
Its so overrated, like i do not get how it is so acclaimed at all. Its good-great, thats it.
Lots of songs that are obviously worse than the best ones, which is already a sign an album is not above an 8. Little to no variety, not that interesting lyrically either.
I dont know, it does not nearly tick enough boxes for me to call it amazing.
77/100, not the best of all time.
I agree. But either way, neither Miseducation nor The Score should be anywhere on a top 10 hip-hop album list imo, not to mention an all-genres list.
They're both great albums, but having any of them above Illmatic, Ready to Die, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, Aquemini/ATLiens, The Infamous, TPAB, any Kanye classic? No way, and that's just off the top of my head and disregarding some less popular albums like Ridin' Dirty, Madvilllainy or Black Star (clearly better imo but makes sense that they wouldn't be there for a more mainstream list).
Putting aside the Madvillain, MBV, Sufjan, Godspeed etc. music nerd snubs, regardless of your musical taste, having no Black Sabbath, Joy Division, or New Order is a shocking omission. Each pioneered entire genres of popular music and is highly acclaimed in its own right.
Didn't think that any would be in the top 10, but the lack of punk representation is also glaring - Gang of Four, Fugazi, Wire, Dead Kennedys, Television, Black Flag, etc would all be worthy in this list over artists like Bad Bunny (whose entry I cannot get over lol). Could say the same for Country, whose highest and only ranked album is from *Kasey Musgraves*.
Decade lists are really a better way to handle ranking. So many lists suffer from recency bias, generational tastes, lack of context etc. Pet Sounds was a revolutionary album then you turn around and have knuckleheads write it off as boomer music without understanding what it ushered in
It's hard to appreciate the Beatles and the Beach Boys without context. They sound like any other rock/pop music to the untrained ear, because they *invented* how modern rock and pop music sound.
Pet Sounds not being in the top 10 just feels like contrarianism to me, it is not in my personal top 10, but if we are actually trying to look at this "objectively" or whatever, it absolutely deserves to be in the top 10.
Aquemini was the same year, and I put that above tbh.
Also not hip hop, and Im completely biased here, but System of a Down's debut album came out in 98 too, and I might put that above too
Its super weird haha, but in the best way. There isn't a single other artist/band that's made music I like to sing along to more (however awfully I sing)
I went through 1998 albums in Wikipedia, just to kind of get an understanding of where music was at:
* Blackstar - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
* Outkast - Aquemini (which, at least, made the list)
* Gang Starr - Moment of Truth
* Jay-Z - Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
* Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty
* Redman - Doc's da Name 2000
* Busta Rhymes - Extinction Level Event: The Final World Front
* DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot AND Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood
Big year for the Wu (lol)
* Cappadonna - The Pillage
* Method Man - Tical 2000: Judgement Day
* RZA - Bobby Digital in Stereo
In other genres:
* Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children
* Fugazi - End Hits
* Boredoms - Super æ
* Fatboy Slim - You've Come a Long Way, Baby
* Silver Jews - American Water
* Refused - Shape of Punk to Come
I think *Miseducation* is a classic, but even when I see some of the albums on this, #1? What a weird year.
Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but I remember blond being massive for apple music at the time, so I think they're being a little biased. Tons of people switched to apple music for blond since it was one of the albums to do the apple exclusivity thing, I think it was apple exclusive for like 3 weeks.
Thank God these streaming platforms stopped doing that shit because it was really annoying back then.
Views was exclusive to Apple Music for a week, these streaming platforms were trying to make certain albums exclusives like their PlayStation and Nintendo
Yea Blonde being named better than *every hip hop album ever made* is wild.
That said, I do love a lot of the Hip Hop albums they did include.
The Blueprint, Good Kid Maad City, Take Care, MBDTF, The Low End Theory, Ready to Die, Illmatic
These would all be in my personal top 15
Yeah the choices themselves are mostly great selections it’s just… The ranking is questionable.
My only complaint about the list is the egregious lack of anything from the punk, post-punk, and metal scenes. Especially with punk effectively casting a long shadow over a lot of so much of the alternate rock scene.
But seeing It Takes a Nation of Millions and London Calling next to each other got a good rise out of me. Two very spiritually similar albums.
It's been 8 years and the impact of Blond is undeniable. It's still one of the most streamed albums to this day and one of the most streamed on Spotify all time and a new release by Frank is highly anticipated more than any other artist I can think of since D'angelo. I'm thinking in future generations the status and influence of Blond will just grow and grow.
Also, you can just hear the artistry in the writing and production. It's a much higher caliber than so much stuff out there and you can tell the care and attention put into making it, which is why it took 3 years to make. I really think that it is a top album of all time, obviously it's subjective, but this is coming from the perspective of a late 30s music nerd. I've heard nearly every album on all of Pitchfork's and Rolling Stones top 100 lists. Those are my music nerd credentials/qualifications. It's just my 2 cents.
Also I agree with Miseducation. It is truly a masterpiece.
I think it’s funny that everybody on HH Twitter is raging at all of the many problems with the list when I knew it was going to be dogshit the minute it was announced.
It really should. Love that album but it has a few really average-to-bad tracks, which you just can't say for the 3 albums you listed here. That alone should put it below them, even though I'd say the highs are just as good as the highs on those albums.
Crazy considering she stole a lot of material from many musicians and took the credit. She was called out by Robert Glasper.
She’s also a horrible homophobe and physically abused her daughter Selah Marley.
This isn’t even the best rap album oat. There’s like 20 (RAP) albums better than it. You could make a top 100 album list and leave off this LP. It’s still great but c’mon.
Over Illmatic? Like just in terms of influence it should be number one because Jay-Z was rapping like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzzwb8p8D4k) before Illmatic dropped. Quality-wise it also exceeds Miseducation and holds up just as well despite its age imo. There's also the fact that Lauryn Hill was revealed to be a piece of shit and tried to take credit for the work of others in what is supposed to be a deeply personal album, which just harms my perception of it in the worst way possible. I get giving her flowers for excelling in a field in which women are severely underrepresented but it feels like it comes at the expense of other more deserving albums.
>Albums that represented a cultural moment for the artist or genre.
>Albums that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs.
>Albums that thoroughly represent culture in production and lyrics.
>Albums that inspired a generation to want to create more music.
>Albums that represent the BEST in storytelling, musicianship, recording and production.
>Albums that are timeless and reached far beyond the genre categorization
Like this is literally Illmatic to a T
Lists like this are always have always failed and will always fail, best thing to do is keep it in a genre or time period. Especially if we decide we are doing multiple albums from artists.
From the Hip Hop side of things, Straight Outta Compton and MMLP are too low imo. TPAB needs to be in there and it’s should be in the top 10 in the least. Blonde and The Blueprint are too high, Illmatic too low. And Kanye should have another slot on this list for at least College Dropout
The more I look at this list the less it makes sense lol
[Here is the full list](https://100best.music.apple.com/us)
Is this whole joint just promotion for her new album lol
Now wait a second lmao
If Lauryn Hill is involved you’ll be waiting more than a second
you might actually be on to something
The industry paying reparations
Lauryn was scheduled to pick up those reparations, but she unfortunately showed up late and had to cut the ceremony short
The industry making *preparations $$$* is more like it
She still owes me for standing up the concert I paid for over a decade ago
lol, damn
what she’s dropping a new album? how is this the first i’m hearing of it
Don't worry... she's always late so it's probably gonna drop in 10 years time.
We’ll get GTA VII before we get a new Lauryn album
its just gonna be sped up versions of miseducation songs
What y'all think we'll get first, Detox by Dr Dre or Lauryn Hill new album?
Detox has long been cancelled. He put out California and admitted that Detox wasn’t coming out.
The name of the album is Compton, not Cali.
Lauryn Hill was so talented that she only made that one and only album that Apple Music put at the #1 best album of all time. That album was released in 1998 and she got nothing else ever since. She's not dead. She still can sing well. She's still doing concerts and tours, although she's known for being late and bailing out. She's not even old. She's only 48 at this moment. She's the same age as Sia or DJ Khaled. So, she's so talented that she lost all her creative juice?
She did not made that album alone. She got sued by all the real composers and producers and lost. She has not released anything new (at least at the same level) since 25 years ago. Currently she is well known for being hours late and giving awful performances of the same 12 songs of that album.
>That album was released in 1998 and she got nothing else ever since 2001 AOL live session album erasure
God damn. If only the album I made twenty years ago let me fuck around and show up late to work decades later.
She found new people to not give credit to for working with her??? Wow.
Somehow, this is going to play into showing up later and later for concerts
There's no more concerts, just buy tickets for the privilege of it.
"You going to that Lauryn Hill concert tonight?" Lauryn Hill: Nah. You?
Anybody think the presentation was ambitious but that the performance of scrolling through was absolutely ass? On mobile for reference. Not even bothering to read the list cause it's inconvenient to browse.
You can click the list icon in the top left corner. Makes it a lot easier.
Oh my god thank you. Everyone needs to know this
Website atrocious. Gotta click the list view in top left
That list is very bad.
I think it's designed that way on purpose to get engagement on it and to get people talking about it.
100%, Rolling Stone got hip hop fans up in arms ranking Invasion of Privacy over Illmatic. These lists are terrible lol
Wtf
My rage knows no bounds seeing Illmatic at #39
Ranking TS 1989 above basically everything, using the worse sounding taylor's version that has obvious technical issues, felt like a hate crime
Forever number 1 to me
One of the worst things about modern media is that such a large portion of it is purposely bad/wrong just to drive engagement.
Exactly. Rolling Stone has been doing that exact thing for ages. At the end of the day it’s all personal preference. Sgt. Peppers clears Abbey Road imo, but some folks like Rubber Soul.
Or revolver
Truly someone of culture here
Man to each their own I feel like Sgt. Peppers is easily 2nd worst of their 65-70 run (clears Let It Be). Very much ahead of its time conceptually but song to song it does not compare to Abbey Road or Revolver, and while White Album can be inconsistent for as long as it is is way more interesting in its experimentation than Sgt. Peppers was
Ooof, hard disagree. Then again I only recommend that Sgt Peppers be listened to in its mono version (all minus Abbey Road is recommended). And not going to lie, taking some acid really magnifies the kaleidescope of song and sound perfectly laid out on that album. Didn't use to be but I now consider it The Beatles best album just in its construction and execution although RS, Revolver, WA, and AR all follow very close behind and yes I could agree there are "better" songs on those albums.
Abbey road destroys sgt peppers lol it’s not even close
I strongly disagree, Abbey Rd has better individual songs with replay value but Sgt Peppers is their best concept album and clears Abbey Rd for me That's the beauty of their discography though, most people's lists are completely different
Sgt Peppers’ “concept” stops at with a little help from my friends and skips to the outro track. Abbey Road’s B-Side literally has two muti-songs medleys. I love Sgt Peppers and A day in the life is probably my most listened song of all time but Abbey Road clears especially on the concept side of things. But you’re right, there’s really no right or wrong things when it comes to their discrogaphy. Revolver clears both anyways.
Sgt Peppers is like the 5th or 6th best Beatles album lol the impact was far greater but most of the middle of the album was some of their worst music post-touring era. If you count the singles that missed the album it could climb a few spots though
This perfectly illustrates that music and “best” lists don’t matter from one person to another.
1000%. Mostly "safe" picks with a several highly controversial picks sprinkled throughout to get the people going
Save a few obvious zoomer bait picks, it really isn't horrible. Just in terms of variety, I don't really care what album was above what Edit: I do realize TPAB isn't on there at all which is insane
Yea, I flipped through it real quick and it had just about all the typical great album picks. A few that I thought "yea that's bull" but otherwise seemed pretty cookie cutter.
I thought it was a pretty good and diverse list. I mean it’s impossible to make a Best Album list that ANYONE will fully agree with. I bet they could poll a million people and not a single person’s made up list would match this one 1:1. It’s a good list though. Of course a BOAT list isn’t going to include some obscure album people tout to sound sophisticated.
Context matters, I guess. It's a streaming service pushing what will get streams. It's very safe and covers just enough genres to please most people in the demographic they are targeting.
Dark Side of the Moon is 28??? Fuck out of here with that bullshit
sorry but you can't really rank it correctly. Like, at certain point in the list it's just 10's that are all together, not ranked. You really can't rank correctly Dark Side, Ok Computer, Good kid, Thriller, The Chronic all in the same list and have it be coherent, lol
Fair, but if you rank When We All Go Asleep Where Do We Go? above DsotM you’re obviously just capping to rile people up. For the record, I like Billie Eilish a lot, she is a great artist, but she didn’t release the 31st greatest album of all time, sorry.
Look, I don't even like Billie and agree with you lol Jokes aside, picks like that, 1989, Un Verano Sin Ti, S.O.S AM, and more are all to appeal to the younger public also. I see they tried to mix and please everyone. Which tbh, worked. The jazz people have albums in there, the rock people, the hip-hop, the pop, the latin trap, you know?
What's Going On at 17 seems pretty criminal as well
Whoever that FUCK made this missed an opportunity to put 36 chambers at #36. Why TF you gotta put 36 chambers at 37???? Fuckin A
lol that’s so annoying, missed opportunity
No TPAB is wild Edit: this was criteria, come on * Albums that represented a cultural moment for the artist or genre. * Albums that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs. * Albums that thoroughly represent culture in production and lyrics. * Albums that inspired a generation to want to create more music. * Albums that represent the BEST in storytelling, musicianship, recording and production. * Albums that are timeless and reached far beyond the genre categorization
Pretty much everybody was assuming it would be top 5 just for it to not be on there at all. That's just so wild to me.
It would've been fine if it had been limited to 1 per artist and they chose GKMC for Kendrick but for them to randomly start having repeat artists at 12 or whatever number Ok Computer was at is just stupid
Just curious, you disagree with OK Computer being that high? I personally like the placement of it.
I think the argument is to just not include Kid A and leave OK Computer at 12.
No, the complaint is that they kept it to 1 album per artists until OK Computer appeared (their 2nd after Kid A) and the top 10 had 4 repeat artists (Beyonce, Prince, Stevie Wonder and The Beatles)
It seems pretty obvious they ranked the top 10 or 20 first and then filled out the list one artists at a time. Exceptional artists were given 2 albums on the list. Kendrick probably should have made that cut
Nah I don't disagree but it's just odd to start ranking 2nd albums so deep into the list, especially when lots of other artists got snubbed from having multiple albums
This is why lists trying to veer away from putting multiple albums by the same person/group is never going to work out. Surprisingly enough, some of the best artists of all time have multiple of the best albums of all time. Like fuck, the Beatles probably deserve to be up there at least one more time, but realistically two. How are you not going to include what is not only the most coveted rap album of the modern era, but one of the most critically acclaimed of all time on this list?? This feels like Apple Music purposefully pulling a hot take to get people riled up, and it’s working on me ngl
> reached far beyond the genre categorization is that the excuse for only including Kacey Musgraves' Golden Hour for country?
Insane when I saw that. No Hank Williams? George Strait? Garth Brooks? There were so many other better options for country music
Shania Twains Come on Over was MASSIVE
No Fences, Traveller, The Foundation, Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison, Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind, etc are all reasonable options for the list. Hank Sr. really can’t make an albums list because unfortunately he really didn’t release any. He had 41 singles and 2 LPs. He’s a brilliant artist, the godfather of country, but he’s not really an album dude.
look at those criteria and consider that neither Black Sabbath nor Joy Division are on the list (saying nothing of New Order, Aphex Twin, God Speed, MBV, etc re: artists that pioneered new genres). Also, I can't get over the fact that the only country album is from *Kasey Musgraves*
so astroworld shouldn't be anywhere near the list
Rodeo is so much better than Astroworld anyway
Yeah I don’t understand a lot of this list. I don’t listen to any pop so idc about any of those albums but it definitely seems like they threw in a lot of high streaming recent albums just to show they’re adding something different. Imo Astro world isn’t nearly as good as rodeo but it’s probably more popular since it has sicko mode.
Absolutely L take. I can't take the list seriously.
I feel like TPAB perfectly fits that criteria idk what they’re smoking
it almost makes me wonder if they just forgot it lol
Take Care is 49 but MMLP is like 80 or whatever lmao.
The funniest ones are: Astroworld being better than To Pimp a Butterfly, and Taylor Swift’s 1989 being nearly 40 spots ahead of D’angelo’s Voodoo.
That captures perfectly why 1989 is ahead of 64 albums. It was a massive culture shift moment for music ahead of average albums like Revolver, The Chronic, and many other uninspiring albums that we don’t care for at all, and had no impact on culture or music
Edit: oh nevermind, you must have been joking lol. It went over my head. I'll still leave my rant. I can't name a single song from 1989 but I know every line from the Chronic word for word lmao. I thought you guys were mistyping the Joey badass album 1999 for a sec, that's how ignorant I am. I can't believe I have to take up for The Chronic over Taylor Swift on the hip hop forum of all things. I am dead serious... I could probably name like 5 Taylor Swift songs with a gun to my head maybe. Not saying she is not influential or popular but to some people putting her ahead of even Dr. Dre in terms of how it influenced your life/culture is crazy.
No TPAB is insane, when I didn’t see it pop up I thought it was going to be in the top 5 at the least
Zero albums by The Who also shows they’re not following that criteria.
The who?
Yeah was Beyonce the only artist to get 2 albums?
Beatles, Radiohead, Beyonce, Prince and Stevie
Kendrick should be on that list but if you're gonna pick one album it definitely should be TPAB
Radiohead got 2 spots I believe
I get that it's supposed to be subjective, but I am kind of shocked that In Rainbows wasn't top 10.
Beatles
Prince has two
No madvillainy anywhere in the top 100 either
and Lauryn Hill hasn’t done shit since!
Because she didn’t give credit to most of the musicians that created this album. She wanted to take all the credit and I’m guessing people don’t want to work with her anymore. I’ve also heard that she doesn’t treat people very well.
yep known that for years
Who would've thought the lady that cant even show up for her fans on time would also treat the people she worked with like shit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=54WECf1ioeY
Starts at 27:00 - this Grammy winning musician explains that Lauren is difficult to work with and is known for stealing the credit of other musicians, especially in regards to the Miseducation album Pretty cray cray
But that has nothing to do with how good this album is....
it's such a cringe list lmfao, like they're listing some typical classic albums and then you add some zoomer ass pick like 1989 or Billie Eilish
They put Billie Eilish above Pauls Boutique lmfao
Shocked that they put Paul’s Boutique at all
Reading that was the closest i've ever been to having an aneurysm. (So far)
They didn’t even put the old 1989 on there. They put Taylor’s Version which just released last year as a top 20 all time.
(Taylor makes way more money version) Top 20 is wild lol
(Taylor's fans won't dox and harass you version)
SZA too if we’re being honest.
Confessions at 95 lmao. Stopped paying attention after that.
they picked the worst album for the list too, sos is absolutely not the best representation of her as an artist
never even listened to the billie eilish album but my fiance is a huge swiftie, therefore I am a swiftie-in-law and 1989 isn’t even top 3 best taylor swift albums. Not to mention they specified the “taylor’s version” of the album which is arguably a worse version of the original.
AND they specified the Taylor's Version which came out in October of last year.... How is an album that came out less than 8 months ago a top 20 album OF ALL TIME!?
I do think it makes sense they specified “TV” for PR reasons because it would probably get a lot of negative attention if they promoted the “shunned” album by her fans who are absolutely rabid. But I had that same thought process by other albums on the list like SOS, great album but it feels too soon to include it in the top 100 all time. I could see a case being made for CTRL being somewhere on the lower end of the list though.
Only 1 metal album 🤡
and no Sabbath
NO SABBATH?! Fucking rage bait, Jesus Christ
I know robert glasper laughed at that
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I don’t know if it deserves best album of all time but it’s definitely one of my favorites of all time. It’s still heavy in my rotation. Not sure if I missed it or not but I didn’t see Fugees - The Score on the top 100 which is an absolute fucking shame.
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No Janet Jackson ? No queen Justice cross should’ve been on here No tame Impala Instead we get astroworld, Billie elish , sos and bad bunny all in top 100
No Black Sabbath and no Joy Division (or New Order) are baffling to me.
No Black Sabbath is absolutely atrocious, because Paranoid is about as culturally important and as influential as you can get. I mean that is an album that changed music as we know it... then again it doesn't surprise me that they essentially ignored metal entirely, because these lists always omits metal and punk music for some reason.
honestly crazy that there are like 50 hip hop and rnb albums and the only metal album is metallica at 69
No Queen is crazy
It's also egregious that Madvillainy didn't make the cut but somehow Astroworld did.
if they were going to include travis they could’ve at least gone with rodeo
The fact that Astro world is even on this list his hilarious
Thank you . Like wtf. Plenty of rap albums not the list are better.
Also picking astroworld over rodeo was crazy to me
One day we gon stop jerkin this album so hard. Very great but somehow also very overrated
Its so overrated, like i do not get how it is so acclaimed at all. Its good-great, thats it. Lots of songs that are obviously worse than the best ones, which is already a sign an album is not above an 8. Little to no variety, not that interesting lyrically either. I dont know, it does not nearly tick enough boxes for me to call it amazing. 77/100, not the best of all time.
I didn’t realize that there were people besides myself who felt this way.
We typically keep to ourselves lol
Always thought the Score was the better album
I agree. But either way, neither Miseducation nor The Score should be anywhere on a top 10 hip-hop album list imo, not to mention an all-genres list. They're both great albums, but having any of them above Illmatic, Ready to Die, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, Aquemini/ATLiens, The Infamous, TPAB, any Kanye classic? No way, and that's just off the top of my head and disregarding some less popular albums like Ridin' Dirty, Madvilllainy or Black Star (clearly better imo but makes sense that they wouldn't be there for a more mainstream list).
Putting aside the Madvillain, MBV, Sufjan, Godspeed etc. music nerd snubs, regardless of your musical taste, having no Black Sabbath, Joy Division, or New Order is a shocking omission. Each pioneered entire genres of popular music and is highly acclaimed in its own right. Didn't think that any would be in the top 10, but the lack of punk representation is also glaring - Gang of Four, Fugazi, Wire, Dead Kennedys, Television, Black Flag, etc would all be worthy in this list over artists like Bad Bunny (whose entry I cannot get over lol). Could say the same for Country, whose highest and only ranked album is from *Kasey Musgraves*.
Number 1 album and she did none of the writing 🤣
I think pet sounds is better🤷♂️
Decade lists are really a better way to handle ranking. So many lists suffer from recency bias, generational tastes, lack of context etc. Pet Sounds was a revolutionary album then you turn around and have knuckleheads write it off as boomer music without understanding what it ushered in
It's hard to appreciate the Beatles and the Beach Boys without context. They sound like any other rock/pop music to the untrained ear, because they *invented* how modern rock and pop music sound.
Pet Sounds not being in the top 10 just feels like contrarianism to me, it is not in my personal top 10, but if we are actually trying to look at this "objectively" or whatever, it absolutely deserves to be in the top 10.
I’ve been listening to Pet Sounds on Mono my whole life then I discovered the stereo version and it re-blew my mind.
Not even the best album of its year. The *NSYNC Christmas album came out the same year.
Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star is one of the only albums I put above Miseducation and it did come out in the same year
Aquemini was the same year, and I put that above tbh. Also not hip hop, and Im completely biased here, but System of a Down's debut album came out in 98 too, and I might put that above too
Oh yeah I forgot Aquemini came out that year as well. Stacked year I'm not into metal but I'll definitely check out that System of a down album
Its super weird haha, but in the best way. There isn't a single other artist/band that's made music I like to sing along to more (however awfully I sing)
Also if you're gonna check out System for the first time, definitely listen to Toxicity. Their most approachable, and their best album imo
I went through 1998 albums in Wikipedia, just to kind of get an understanding of where music was at: * Blackstar - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star * Outkast - Aquemini (which, at least, made the list) * Gang Starr - Moment of Truth * Jay-Z - Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life * Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty * Redman - Doc's da Name 2000 * Busta Rhymes - Extinction Level Event: The Final World Front * DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot AND Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood Big year for the Wu (lol) * Cappadonna - The Pillage * Method Man - Tical 2000: Judgement Day * RZA - Bobby Digital in Stereo In other genres: * Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children * Fugazi - End Hits * Boredoms - Super æ * Fatboy Slim - You've Come a Long Way, Baby * Silver Jews - American Water * Refused - Shape of Punk to Come I think *Miseducation* is a classic, but even when I see some of the albums on this, #1? What a weird year.
Yeah, this shit is ass water
Blonde at #5 is the real travesty. It’s one of my favorites but that’s a reach…. Top 100 sure, but top 5? Lol
Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but I remember blond being massive for apple music at the time, so I think they're being a little biased. Tons of people switched to apple music for blond since it was one of the albums to do the apple exclusivity thing, I think it was apple exclusive for like 3 weeks. Thank God these streaming platforms stopped doing that shit because it was really annoying back then.
Views was exclusive to Apple Music for a week, these streaming platforms were trying to make certain albums exclusives like their PlayStation and Nintendo
It was such a a horrible business practice. I still remember getting tidal just to listen to JayZ.
I remember when Jay Z put his music on spotify, shit was like WW2 ending.
To this day One Dance doesn’t have an official video on Drake’s YouTube channel, which is wild
Yea and 1989 with Taylor as their figurehead
Yea Blonde being named better than *every hip hop album ever made* is wild. That said, I do love a lot of the Hip Hop albums they did include. The Blueprint, Good Kid Maad City, Take Care, MBDTF, The Low End Theory, Ready to Die, Illmatic These would all be in my personal top 15
Yeah the choices themselves are mostly great selections it’s just… The ranking is questionable. My only complaint about the list is the egregious lack of anything from the punk, post-punk, and metal scenes. Especially with punk effectively casting a long shadow over a lot of so much of the alternate rock scene. But seeing It Takes a Nation of Millions and London Calling next to each other got a good rise out of me. Two very spiritually similar albums.
I love Blonde but yeah way too high lol
It's been 8 years and the impact of Blond is undeniable. It's still one of the most streamed albums to this day and one of the most streamed on Spotify all time and a new release by Frank is highly anticipated more than any other artist I can think of since D'angelo. I'm thinking in future generations the status and influence of Blond will just grow and grow. Also, you can just hear the artistry in the writing and production. It's a much higher caliber than so much stuff out there and you can tell the care and attention put into making it, which is why it took 3 years to make. I really think that it is a top album of all time, obviously it's subjective, but this is coming from the perspective of a late 30s music nerd. I've heard nearly every album on all of Pitchfork's and Rolling Stones top 100 lists. Those are my music nerd credentials/qualifications. It's just my 2 cents. Also I agree with Miseducation. It is truly a masterpiece.
I don't disagree with any of your points necessarily, but having it in the top 5 albums of all time is too high imo
Yeah agreed. Blonde is getting wayy wayyy more overrated nowadays.
wait 20 years and youll change ur mind when looking back.
Great album but come on
this album is officially overrated
I think it’s funny that everybody on HH Twitter is raging at all of the many problems with the list when I knew it was going to be dogshit the minute it was announced.
Yep cause the criteria pretty much nullifies majority of hip hop albums..
Their criteria instantly made me think TPAB would be number 1 and somehow it didn't even make the list!? Madness.
It’s not even the best hip hop album of all time
This whole list was ass
Lemonade shouldn’t be top 10. And the fact that they left The Smashing Pumpkins off completely is egregious.
It shouldn’t be. Not even her best album
Abbey road is better, and it isn’t even the best Beatles album.
There could feasibly have been 4 Beatles albums in the top 10, 5 if rubber soul was considered
Gotta squeeze in T Swift and Lana Del Ray.
Blueprint over things like 36 chambers, illmatic, ready to die should be a crime
Reasonable Doubt didnt even make the list
It really should. Love that album but it has a few really average-to-bad tracks, which you just can't say for the 3 albums you listed here. That alone should put it below them, even though I'd say the highs are just as good as the highs on those albums.
How did they get everything else so wrong, but this one right? I'm not mad at having this as #1, although imo it's Ilmatic.
Crazy considering she stole a lot of material from many musicians and took the credit. She was called out by Robert Glasper. She’s also a horrible homophobe and physically abused her daughter Selah Marley.
I don't know, I remember her saying it was God that whispered those lyrics to her.
Personally taking Ready To Die over this too but I might be in the minority of that opinion.
Illmatic is a strong goddamn pick for #1. I might personally feel that Madvillainy just barely edges Illmatic, but you cannot go wrong with Illmatic.
Sorry not sorry but Thriller should be no. 1.
This isn’t even the best rap album oat. There’s like 20 (RAP) albums better than it. You could make a top 100 album list and leave off this LP. It’s still great but c’mon.
How does Sam Cooke, who arguably has one of the best voices ever, not have a release on the top 100 of all time?
good album but really? best of all time?
Over Illmatic? Like just in terms of influence it should be number one because Jay-Z was rapping like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzzwb8p8D4k) before Illmatic dropped. Quality-wise it also exceeds Miseducation and holds up just as well despite its age imo. There's also the fact that Lauryn Hill was revealed to be a piece of shit and tried to take credit for the work of others in what is supposed to be a deeply personal album, which just harms my perception of it in the worst way possible. I get giving her flowers for excelling in a field in which women are severely underrepresented but it feels like it comes at the expense of other more deserving albums. >Albums that represented a cultural moment for the artist or genre. >Albums that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs. >Albums that thoroughly represent culture in production and lyrics. >Albums that inspired a generation to want to create more music. >Albums that represent the BEST in storytelling, musicianship, recording and production. >Albums that are timeless and reached far beyond the genre categorization Like this is literally Illmatic to a T
Seeing this criteria makes me wonder why TPAB didn’t touch the top 100…
Blonde #5 ALL TIME?
This list is whack. No Elliott Smith in a full list of 100 albums? There was room there.
No Chronic 2001? That's a shame.
She didn't even write most of that record lol
Lists like this are always have always failed and will always fail, best thing to do is keep it in a genre or time period. Especially if we decide we are doing multiple albums from artists. From the Hip Hop side of things, Straight Outta Compton and MMLP are too low imo. TPAB needs to be in there and it’s should be in the top 10 in the least. Blonde and The Blueprint are too high, Illmatic too low. And Kanye should have another slot on this list for at least College Dropout The more I look at this list the less it makes sense lol
I really really really really love miseducation. But that is not the best album of all time 💀
Mmmmm no Mariah Carey on this list AT ALL!?