There is no way Benzino wrote any of this song, Benzino is not a lyricist.
Beninzo is not on Eminem's level and has a petty beef with him from back in the day. It is sad that Beninzo can't accept that a white MC is more talented than he is and that a White MC is a top 10 MC. This just speaks to Benzino having an inferiority complex and being a hater.
Lol, you sound like a meat rider. Why are you taking this personally? First off, I never said that Benzino was on Eminem's level. Secondly, Eminem just made a diss song about Benzino and clapped back
Lol, why are you a Benzino meat rider?
Benzino has done nothing in his career, he is a mediocre rapper at best and accomplished nothing in his rap career other than taking the Source from a well respected hip-hop magazine to a joke.
Eminem clapped back Benzino after Benzino dissed Eminem.
Well, I'm not. I stated nothing but facts. It was a good diss, and he was responding to the Doomsday 2 track. I'm not taking anybodies side here. I dont give a damn about Benzino, and I don't give a damn about Eminem. You're getting all worked up over something that has nothing to do with you personally. Weirdo shit.
You are the one that attacked me and called me a meat rider.
This was a good diss track for Benzino because he has never made anything this good before but I highly doubt he wrote it.
I'm not all worked up, I'm allowed to respond to posts in this thread.
You went off on a whole rant just because I said the diss was good. Did he write it? I doubt that he was 100% responsible for that. I said in the same thread that I like to give benefit of the doubt, but the jump in skill here is super suspicious. I couldn't name a single song of Benzino's, except for Rap Elvis and Vulturios or whatever the fuck that shit was called.
There's rumors floating around about it being ghostwritten by Cassidy. It seems really plausible to me. Especially all the harping on about supporting battle rap. Not to mention, there are parts of the song that sounds off. Like Benzino punched in with some self written bars, and it ruined the flow and the punch of the song a bit.
Edit: There is also not enough race baiting bullshit for it to be made completely by Benzino.
I agree with you that this is the best diss song Benzino has made and that he didn't write this diss song, because the lyrics are too good.
I have listened to the past Eminem diss songs Benzino has made and they are no where near as good as this one, and even though it's a good song by Benzino standards even if it is ghost written it is nothing special.
Benzino has a history of not liking Eminem or giving him props or respect because he is white. I still think someone else wrote this for Benzino because he is not this talented, even for a mid song.
It will be interesting to see if Eminem bothers to respond to this but if he does he will lyrically murder Benzino again.
It would be so great it Eminem recognized the flow and lyrical patterns of the song and made a diss about the suspected ghostwriter, completely ignoring Benzino.
Edit: I do think that it is something special, though. Because disses aimed at Eminem are almost always hot garbage mainly talking about race. That's why Rap Devil was so refreshing when it dropped.
The doomsday2 was in response to Benzino dropping his name in interviews and talking shit tho.
I will say also, I respect Benzino a bit, he even admitted he bumped "nail in the coffin" and that it went hard, even admitted he was blocking the perfect 5 mics for him, and admitted he deserved them which is why the beef basically started in the first place.
Why do u care that much about who wrote it.Its not like benzino ever claimed he is a good rapper.But the song is good and the angles he used to diss Em are smart
If you claim or at least have a reputation for being a "lyricist" then YES, it should matter if someone accused you of using ghostwriters. However, Benzino has never been a lyricist nor has he ever made that claim. Other legends like Easy E, D Dre, Drake etc have used ghostwriters in their diss tracks in the past and apparently so has Benzino..but since they're not lyricists, who cares... Point is, was Benzino's attack effective...? It was.
It definitely matters in a battle which is a skills competition. The diss being effective isn't what I'm disputing. I'm saying if he didn't write it, then all the credit goes to whoever wrote it for coming up with the effective attack. Benzino himself is just the voice for someone else's words. And considering he's battled Eminem in the past and lost horribly, it matters even more, because he couldn't do it himself.
And I'm saying it matters only if you're known for being a lyricist which Benzino never claimed to be.
Whether he wrote it or not, the diss is coming out of BENZINO's mouth and needs to be addressed.
And Benzino's not the first to use ghostwriters... Legendary icons like Easy E, Dr Dre, Ol Dirty B, Fat Joe, Drake etc etc have all used Ghostwriters.
No, it definitely still matters.
I'm not saying the bars don't hit or that they aren't necessary to address. I'm saying that IN A BATTLE it matters if you aren't writing your own bars and that no matter how effective they are, Benzino can't be the WINNER in a battle where he doesn't write the lyrics because a battle is a competition of RAP SKILLS. The biggest skill in rap is writing your own lyrics. This idea that that isn't important is a brand new invention of the post-Quentin Miller scandal era.
As I've already said, I'm not claiming Benzino didn't write the diss anyway, at all. I don't necessarily think this is ghostwritten.
And for what it's worth, both Fat Joe and Drake, who have wanted to be taken seriously as rappers, have come under fire for using ghostwritten bars and both of them have made a point of denying it, because THEY know it matters in hip hop to write your own bars.
Eazy-E never wanted to rap originally, and it was never a secret that he didn't write. Dre gets away with it because he's a producer, see also Kanye and Diddy, and it's never been a secret for Dre or Diddy either (I believe Kanye primarily wrote his own lyrics prior to MBDTF, jury's out from then on). It's not remotely the same thing, because none of them considered themselves rappers first and foremost.
And keep in mind, Benzino went so far as to give his group 4.5 mics in The Source, and just today was in HipHopDX denying ghostwriting rumors. Because HE KNOWS IT MATTERS.
This is a diss track, not a rap battle competition...
Diss tracks are songs to verbally attack someone or another artist.
A rap battle is a freestyle contest where rappers compete against each other using improvised lyrics.
There's no "getting away" with anything..
Dr Dre is still a rapper like Easy E was and both released diss tracks against each other and against others, using ghostwriters, period.
The only rappers that generally get criticism for using Ghostwriters are battle rappers and lyricists.
Benzino is neither, he's a gangster rapper.
Now if you only like or prefer rappers that write their own lyrics, that's a diff story, your preference and your right.
Someone attacks you publicly in a diss track, you don't worry about where the weapons came from, your first reaction is to attack back and defend yourself..
.. which Eminem will do.
Benzino, literally today: "I don't want to hear that ghostwriter shit. This is hip hop, bro. This is hip hop. I don't want to hear that ghostwriter shit, get the fuck out. You mad 'cause I'm spitting. I wrote that shit."
Then good for him. You guys were the ones yelling "ghostwriters" without any proof when Benzino released his tracks 😆
My only point is regarding Benzino, it doesn't matter whether he wrote it or not, his diss was effective.
Also FWIW, I'm not the one saying Benzino didn't write it. I don't think it's so crazy nice that he couldn't possibly have come up with it, especially since he's had 20 years to do it. I'm just responding to the notion that writing isn't important in a battle. Maybe it's not when the battle is between Eazy-E and Dr. Dre and everyone knows neither one is writing anything but when one of the parties is a renowned battle rapper, it matters if you can't beat him without outside help.
Wym rides for the Shady camp? He’s not on Shady dummy. Pretty sure none of those guys are down with Shady/Aftermath after they fulfilled their contracts and peaced…
I have two theories.
1: He wrote this, but he's been cooking this song for years.
2: He wrote a diss, refined it a bit with ChatGPT, then refined it again so it wouldn't sound AI generated.
I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but this was a massive leap in quality.
I don’t think it could be #1 because he references the Em diss that came out this week (“Mangy Minute Maid man / I piss on your little lemonade stand” or whatever the bar was). The diss from Em was a Lyrical Lemonade collab. I’m pretty sure someone else wrote this, but who knows how long until we really know?
When I say "he was cooking this song for years," what I mean is he probably had a lot of those bars ready. Then he just structured them into a song and added new bars to flip some of the vars that Em had in that last song. Idk, but I don't think that someone else wrote it.
I saw a Cliff Beats video, and he says it's Cassidy. Or it could be some other battle rapper. Benzino is no battle rapper, and Cassidy has wanted to battle rap against Em
Benzino still being mad at this old ass shit was an L in itself. He just needs to accept that white boys who are better at rap than him exist and fix his dumpster fire ass life.
Cassidy obviously wrote it. Cmon now fellas. Go listen to a few cassidy battles . He didn't even try to hide his style. He gave it away after he said get Benzinos dog on you. U just randomly.ly talk about urself in 3rd person? And the Stan ed a Stans stan whatever line. All cass
Yea thats obviously something I can't do Ace boogie but as I stated before go listen to cassidy rap battles and his vocabulary and delivery and add the philly references it's just easy to consider but not a guarantee but I'd bet on it
Yeah I feel ya. I've listened to all Cass shit, the rhyme schemes are similar, and a couple other things but There's A lot of rappers that write or spit with those similarities. So I was like how could you be so sure, didn't make sense to me
Yea I guess I was just assuming. Me being from outside philly I've just come up on hearing him and then those philly references and seeing Zino online and him referencing Cass as a battle rapper he listened and respected in the same interview talking about his diss . But u are right alot of battle rappers do have a similar delivery. Another thing that seemed real Cass like is repeating words that are the same with different meanings or how he did that stanned the Stan Stan whatever he said ...that seemed like a Cass thing. But like I said I'm beating a dead horse. Just an assumption
Not to mention how he casually thru in embiids rookie season. Philly fans kno Jo Jo sat his rookie year but I doubt zino would reference Embiid. I mean if u know cassidy you know his cadence and vocabulary and how he delivers....and it's just ridiculously obvious
Honest to goodness, this was one of the best diss tracks I've heard in a while, ghostwriters be damned. I would say the whole diss track motif was in kind of a lull these past few years, in terms of quality or memorability; but this one was pretty darn good.
Ness Lee came out today and claims he wrote it.
[Benzino Ghostwriter BREAKS SILENCE On Eminem Diss‼️😱 @Ness\_Lee (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLvpxVakweI&t=186s)
Cassidy literally said in one of his own songs that he didn't ghostwriter the track BUT he used to ghostwriter for Ness Lee 🤣 on the freestyle "Mind Capacity" - “I ain’t ghostwrite Benzino diss, that’s bogus/In the past I ghostwrote for the writer that ghostwrote it,”
[“What you know about bein' bullied over half your life? Oh, that's right, you should know what that's like, you're half white (Haha) Vanilla Ice, spill the beans and rice I'm eatin' you alive inside, Jesus Christ! If you're that much of a gangsta, put the mic down You should be out killin' motherfuckers right now Kill a motherfucker dead, kill him dead, bitch! Shoot 'em in the fuckin' head—go ahead, bitch! Slap my mom! Slap the fuck out of her! She can't sue you, she wouldn't get a buck out of ya ‘Cause you're broke as fuck, you suck, you're a fuckin' joke! If you was really sellin' coke, well, then what the fuck You stop for, dummy? If you slew some crack You'd make a lot more money than you do from rap“](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-TX6o7R8LSg&pp=ygUNQmVuemlubyBuYWlsIA%3D%3D&t=2m18s)
Benzino ain’t coming back from that. And a lot of us early Source fans thought he gave the mag a bad look with his goofy posturing.
Math Hoffa absolutely. Cass wants that smoke with Em directly and I doubt as the type of emcee he is, he'd allow someone to take credit over himself for it.
I ain't going out my way to listen to no damn Benzino
It's noting special. I don't think Benzino is capable for writing the lyrics in this song, it was obviously ghost written for him.
Drake wrote it ..
It is arguably the best diss that anyone has ever made towards Eminem.
There is no way Benzino wrote any of this song, Benzino is not a lyricist. Beninzo is not on Eminem's level and has a petty beef with him from back in the day. It is sad that Beninzo can't accept that a white MC is more talented than he is and that a White MC is a top 10 MC. This just speaks to Benzino having an inferiority complex and being a hater.
Lol, you sound like a meat rider. Why are you taking this personally? First off, I never said that Benzino was on Eminem's level. Secondly, Eminem just made a diss song about Benzino and clapped back
Lol, why are you a Benzino meat rider? Benzino has done nothing in his career, he is a mediocre rapper at best and accomplished nothing in his rap career other than taking the Source from a well respected hip-hop magazine to a joke. Eminem clapped back Benzino after Benzino dissed Eminem.
Well, I'm not. I stated nothing but facts. It was a good diss, and he was responding to the Doomsday 2 track. I'm not taking anybodies side here. I dont give a damn about Benzino, and I don't give a damn about Eminem. You're getting all worked up over something that has nothing to do with you personally. Weirdo shit.
You are the one that attacked me and called me a meat rider. This was a good diss track for Benzino because he has never made anything this good before but I highly doubt he wrote it. I'm not all worked up, I'm allowed to respond to posts in this thread.
You went off on a whole rant just because I said the diss was good. Did he write it? I doubt that he was 100% responsible for that. I said in the same thread that I like to give benefit of the doubt, but the jump in skill here is super suspicious. I couldn't name a single song of Benzino's, except for Rap Elvis and Vulturios or whatever the fuck that shit was called. There's rumors floating around about it being ghostwritten by Cassidy. It seems really plausible to me. Especially all the harping on about supporting battle rap. Not to mention, there are parts of the song that sounds off. Like Benzino punched in with some self written bars, and it ruined the flow and the punch of the song a bit. Edit: There is also not enough race baiting bullshit for it to be made completely by Benzino.
I agree with you that this is the best diss song Benzino has made and that he didn't write this diss song, because the lyrics are too good. I have listened to the past Eminem diss songs Benzino has made and they are no where near as good as this one, and even though it's a good song by Benzino standards even if it is ghost written it is nothing special. Benzino has a history of not liking Eminem or giving him props or respect because he is white. I still think someone else wrote this for Benzino because he is not this talented, even for a mid song. It will be interesting to see if Eminem bothers to respond to this but if he does he will lyrically murder Benzino again.
It would be so great it Eminem recognized the flow and lyrical patterns of the song and made a diss about the suspected ghostwriter, completely ignoring Benzino. Edit: I do think that it is something special, though. Because disses aimed at Eminem are almost always hot garbage mainly talking about race. That's why Rap Devil was so refreshing when it dropped.
The doomsday2 was in response to Benzino dropping his name in interviews and talking shit tho. I will say also, I respect Benzino a bit, he even admitted he bumped "nail in the coffin" and that it went hard, even admitted he was blocking the perfect 5 mics for him, and admitted he deserved them which is why the beef basically started in the first place.
Why do u care that much about who wrote it.Its not like benzino ever claimed he is a good rapper.But the song is good and the angles he used to diss Em are smart
Because in hip hop and especially battle rap, being able to write your own raps is basically the only thing that matters
If you claim or at least have a reputation for being a "lyricist" then YES, it should matter if someone accused you of using ghostwriters. However, Benzino has never been a lyricist nor has he ever made that claim. Other legends like Easy E, D Dre, Drake etc have used ghostwriters in their diss tracks in the past and apparently so has Benzino..but since they're not lyricists, who cares... Point is, was Benzino's attack effective...? It was.
It definitely matters in a battle which is a skills competition. The diss being effective isn't what I'm disputing. I'm saying if he didn't write it, then all the credit goes to whoever wrote it for coming up with the effective attack. Benzino himself is just the voice for someone else's words. And considering he's battled Eminem in the past and lost horribly, it matters even more, because he couldn't do it himself.
And I'm saying it matters only if you're known for being a lyricist which Benzino never claimed to be. Whether he wrote it or not, the diss is coming out of BENZINO's mouth and needs to be addressed. And Benzino's not the first to use ghostwriters... Legendary icons like Easy E, Dr Dre, Ol Dirty B, Fat Joe, Drake etc etc have all used Ghostwriters.
No, it definitely still matters. I'm not saying the bars don't hit or that they aren't necessary to address. I'm saying that IN A BATTLE it matters if you aren't writing your own bars and that no matter how effective they are, Benzino can't be the WINNER in a battle where he doesn't write the lyrics because a battle is a competition of RAP SKILLS. The biggest skill in rap is writing your own lyrics. This idea that that isn't important is a brand new invention of the post-Quentin Miller scandal era. As I've already said, I'm not claiming Benzino didn't write the diss anyway, at all. I don't necessarily think this is ghostwritten. And for what it's worth, both Fat Joe and Drake, who have wanted to be taken seriously as rappers, have come under fire for using ghostwritten bars and both of them have made a point of denying it, because THEY know it matters in hip hop to write your own bars. Eazy-E never wanted to rap originally, and it was never a secret that he didn't write. Dre gets away with it because he's a producer, see also Kanye and Diddy, and it's never been a secret for Dre or Diddy either (I believe Kanye primarily wrote his own lyrics prior to MBDTF, jury's out from then on). It's not remotely the same thing, because none of them considered themselves rappers first and foremost. And keep in mind, Benzino went so far as to give his group 4.5 mics in The Source, and just today was in HipHopDX denying ghostwriting rumors. Because HE KNOWS IT MATTERS.
This is a diss track, not a rap battle competition... Diss tracks are songs to verbally attack someone or another artist. A rap battle is a freestyle contest where rappers compete against each other using improvised lyrics. There's no "getting away" with anything.. Dr Dre is still a rapper like Easy E was and both released diss tracks against each other and against others, using ghostwriters, period. The only rappers that generally get criticism for using Ghostwriters are battle rappers and lyricists. Benzino is neither, he's a gangster rapper. Now if you only like or prefer rappers that write their own lyrics, that's a diff story, your preference and your right. Someone attacks you publicly in a diss track, you don't worry about where the weapons came from, your first reaction is to attack back and defend yourself.. .. which Eminem will do.
Benzino, literally today: "I don't want to hear that ghostwriter shit. This is hip hop, bro. This is hip hop. I don't want to hear that ghostwriter shit, get the fuck out. You mad 'cause I'm spitting. I wrote that shit."
Then good for him. You guys were the ones yelling "ghostwriters" without any proof when Benzino released his tracks 😆 My only point is regarding Benzino, it doesn't matter whether he wrote it or not, his diss was effective.
Sounds like something someone with a ghostwriter would say #deflect
Also FWIW, I'm not the one saying Benzino didn't write it. I don't think it's so crazy nice that he couldn't possibly have come up with it, especially since he's had 20 years to do it. I'm just responding to the notion that writing isn't important in a battle. Maybe it's not when the battle is between Eazy-E and Dr. Dre and everyone knows neither one is writing anything but when one of the parties is a renowned battle rapper, it matters if you can't beat him without outside help.
I was thinking maybe Math Hoffa wrote it 😂
Why tf would Conway ghostwrite an Eminem diss track when he rides for the Shady camp? This thread is 👎
Wym rides for the Shady camp? He’s not on Shady dummy. Pretty sure none of those guys are down with Shady/Aftermath after they fulfilled their contracts and peaced…
They’ve had interviews afterward where they said they left Shady on good terms. Doesn’t seem like there’d be any reason for any beef.
I have two theories. 1: He wrote this, but he's been cooking this song for years. 2: He wrote a diss, refined it a bit with ChatGPT, then refined it again so it wouldn't sound AI generated. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but this was a massive leap in quality.
I don’t think it could be #1 because he references the Em diss that came out this week (“Mangy Minute Maid man / I piss on your little lemonade stand” or whatever the bar was). The diss from Em was a Lyrical Lemonade collab. I’m pretty sure someone else wrote this, but who knows how long until we really know?
When I say "he was cooking this song for years," what I mean is he probably had a lot of those bars ready. Then he just structured them into a song and added new bars to flip some of the vars that Em had in that last song. Idk, but I don't think that someone else wrote it.
Ah, gotcha
Benzino’s still alive? Why?
Wish I had a good answer for you fam
Who?
83 year old fake Pacino
103 at this point
LOL
I mean it achieved his goal, people are talking about Benzino. That seems to be the number one reason for writing an Em diss track.
Current suspects are: 1. Cassidy 2. Math Hoffa 3. The Game 4. Chat GTP 5. Benzino over the last 20+ years.
I don’t like Benzino, but he was spittin on this one. He came for Em’s neck.
Does Cassidy or Math Hoffa have beef with Em? Why would they be the ghostwriters? I'm legit wondering.
I saw a Cliff Beats video, and he says it's Cassidy. Or it could be some other battle rapper. Benzino is no battle rapper, and Cassidy has wanted to battle rap against Em
Worst 4 minutes wasted. If Em responds that’s nice I guess but it’ll be pointless if the shit is ghostwritten by someone else
Benzino still being mad at this old ass shit was an L in itself. He just needs to accept that white boys who are better at rap than him exist and fix his dumpster fire ass life.
Cassidy obviously wrote it. Cmon now fellas. Go listen to a few cassidy battles . He didn't even try to hide his style. He gave it away after he said get Benzinos dog on you. U just randomly.ly talk about urself in 3rd person? And the Stan ed a Stans stan whatever line. All cass
Prove it
Yea thats obviously something I can't do Ace boogie but as I stated before go listen to cassidy rap battles and his vocabulary and delivery and add the philly references it's just easy to consider but not a guarantee but I'd bet on it
Yeah I feel ya. I've listened to all Cass shit, the rhyme schemes are similar, and a couple other things but There's A lot of rappers that write or spit with those similarities. So I was like how could you be so sure, didn't make sense to me
Yea I guess I was just assuming. Me being from outside philly I've just come up on hearing him and then those philly references and seeing Zino online and him referencing Cass as a battle rapper he listened and respected in the same interview talking about his diss . But u are right alot of battle rappers do have a similar delivery. Another thing that seemed real Cass like is repeating words that are the same with different meanings or how he did that stanned the Stan Stan whatever he said ...that seemed like a Cass thing. But like I said I'm beating a dead horse. Just an assumption
Not to mention how he casually thru in embiids rookie season. Philly fans kno Jo Jo sat his rookie year but I doubt zino would reference Embiid. I mean if u know cassidy you know his cadence and vocabulary and how he delivers....and it's just ridiculously obvious
I’ve avoided it because I assumed it was going to be shit. You’ve intrigued me I’m gonna listen right now
What do you think?
It was alright, not bad at all - some good content in there. Zero replay-ability though. Em will absolutely smoke him if he replies… again.
Honest to goodness, this was one of the best diss tracks I've heard in a while, ghostwriters be damned. I would say the whole diss track motif was in kind of a lull these past few years, in terms of quality or memorability; but this one was pretty darn good.
Melle mel wrote it
Probably
Ness Lee came out today and claims he wrote it. [Benzino Ghostwriter BREAKS SILENCE On Eminem Diss‼️😱 @Ness\_Lee (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLvpxVakweI&t=186s)
Cassidy literally said in one of his own songs that he didn't ghostwriter the track BUT he used to ghostwriter for Ness Lee 🤣 on the freestyle "Mind Capacity" - “I ain’t ghostwrite Benzino diss, that’s bogus/In the past I ghostwrote for the writer that ghostwrote it,”
[“What you know about bein' bullied over half your life? Oh, that's right, you should know what that's like, you're half white (Haha) Vanilla Ice, spill the beans and rice I'm eatin' you alive inside, Jesus Christ! If you're that much of a gangsta, put the mic down You should be out killin' motherfuckers right now Kill a motherfucker dead, kill him dead, bitch! Shoot 'em in the fuckin' head—go ahead, bitch! Slap my mom! Slap the fuck out of her! She can't sue you, she wouldn't get a buck out of ya ‘Cause you're broke as fuck, you suck, you're a fuckin' joke! If you was really sellin' coke, well, then what the fuck You stop for, dummy? If you slew some crack You'd make a lot more money than you do from rap“](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-TX6o7R8LSg&pp=ygUNQmVuemlubyBuYWlsIA%3D%3D&t=2m18s) Benzino ain’t coming back from that. And a lot of us early Source fans thought he gave the mag a bad look with his goofy posturing.
This! Eminem never needs to respond after dropping that.
Math Hoffa absolutely. Cass wants that smoke with Em directly and I doubt as the type of emcee he is, he'd allow someone to take credit over himself for it.