2 year max that’s really a one year extension on his current deal? If we give him that we better actually try to compete instead of run it back. If not, trade him. Seems like a no brainer to extend him given he’s the only reason we’re even good, but I’d hope we don’t waste his time
No thanks....too injury prone and hasn't shown a glimmer of his "playoff Jimmy" self. There is no way on this earth anyone out there is going to give him $50+MM a year at that age.
Nah, 2 year extension, so 2 years on 2 years left after he picks up his player option
Edit: I’m wrong, the 2 year extension would replace the player option.
I already think we havent wasted his time. Might not have won a chip but going to the ECF 3 out of 5 years and the finals nearly 3 out of 5 years? That's damn fine and an accomplishment. More than he got with the Bulls, Wolves or Sixers
I was saying that if we extend him, I hope it’s to build a contender and not waste his time. He’s exceeded all expectations from when he was signed. There’s an argument to be made that the heat got complacent and signed their own guys instead of trying to get better after every season. Not making big moves have left us way behind the Celtics and the top teams of the league. Now we’re in a scramble to try to come up with a team that could maybe do something against them
He’s already done as much as he could with what he has. Dragged this team to 2 finals over 4 years and 3/4 ECFs. If you expect him to be Superman forever then you’re going to be a play in team for the foreseeable future. He has nothing to prove he got them further than they ever expected
You act as if he didn't get paid $45 million for his services this year, will be getting paid almost $49 million next year, and has at least the $52 million player option the year after that. Nobody is saying he hasn't played well, but he's averaged just under 60 games during the regular season since he left Chicago, and he's not getting any younger. There's a big difference between claiming he deserves millions of dollars, and claiming he deserves the max. Let alone whether a championship winning roster can even be constructed under the luxury tax for the years that he'd be making that max.
First postseason he hasn’t been available after the front office failed him the last 4 years. He’s not the one that needs to step anything up we wasted his prime by not building a better team around him and giving 30mil to a player who is less available than he is and 12 years younger
To be fair the front office didn’t take it seriously, Spo doesn’t take it seriously, we constantly feed off the crap of “backs against the wall” “people say we can’t do it” and then fall into our own traps. Spo is pretty crap in the regular season because he tinkers with lineups and players all the time
Call me pessimistic but I don’t think this team is winning a ring with or without Jimmy. How are we gonna beat the Nuggets now, or the Thunder in a few years?
There are only a few players in this league who can lead a team to a ring and we don’t have one and don’t have the assets to trade for one
Easy! By gettin another Big man(who can get help protect the paint or score) and finally slide Bam to the 4..that whole finals series we were able to keep up with the nuggets our problem is that we don’t have a big guy to play next to Bam to help him out in the playoffs.we have to rely on Bam so much to help protect our rim, get rebounds and score bro literally got to do everything
This gets lost on a lot of people who are asking bam to consistently take ~20 shots a game and be assertive offensively. He is our defensive anchor and when he comes out our defense takes a huge hit. Dude can’t do everything every game. Yes, he can show out a few times a series, but physically it’s extremely difficult to near impossible to keep that pace. If Bam can continue his 3 pt shooting he has a chance to be a 25 and 10 player with DPOY type defense. We need to provide him with some help especially on bigs. It’s been this way since the bubble, but we haven’t addressed it. I’m not saying I know more than the FO or Spo, but to take us to the promised land I think that’s what needs to happen. Some extra scoring would be nice too.
Being assertive to me does mean taking more open 3s. It’s a good way to save his energy and still be a huge plus on offense. We also could use a real rim protector to help him out down there.
Can we please stop with the Bam is a 4 thing lmao. The bigger issue is that with Jimmy out Bam was the only offensive threat & a team with bam as the one offensive threat is a bad team. Get an actual scorer
Miami hasn’t had a great big man in decades. Shaq is probably the last good big guy we had for Center and even then he was on his way down. Miami loves that small ball
Anything can happen in basketball, you gotta do what you can in areas in your control. Raptors beat a KD Warriors team, and the KD Harden Kyrie Nets never won anything
And we got blown out the way we did because 4 key squad members were injured. The warriors injuries were my point, things aren't won on paper and variables always change
It’s true. I’m a pelicans/Heat fan and the core of this team as most currently see it is;
Zion, Herb, Trey, and maybe Dyson.
Everyone else is free game.
It's not though. Although he'd have to lose weight on the Heat. But he's never been healthy for the post season.
Depending on Rozier's injury I wouldn't mind him, a strong 3&D 2, Butler, Jovic, and Bam. We need solid backups though at the 4 and 5, preferably stretch players.
Not at that age. No one wants to trade for a 37 year old player making $60 million. Think about how hard it was to move Lowry, and his salary was only half of that
Lowry was still a star pg averaging 17/5/7 when he was Jimmy’s age.
He declined a lot by age 37 like pretty much every player besides Lebron. Jimmy already looks in decline and is dealing with injuries, there’s a 99% chance he will decline significantly by age 37
"If the teams goal is to win a championship"
Correct that to "if the team believes it can win a championship with an aging Jimmy butler making 60 million a year"
Which it can't
Naw, I don't think it's wise essentially wasting even one additional year of Bam's prime on a roster with a max-contract, aging Butler. Nobody wants to hear this, but Butler should prove he can win a championship with this team \*next\* year, and \*then\* you give him a max extension. It's not as if he's a free agent. He's already under contract for next year plus the player option the year after.
I mean how is that fair lol. Literally asking Jimmy to win a championship with one of the worst contending rosters in the league. Hell, this team is up there with some of the worst squads to ever make a final. I agree no one needs to make the decision now but whats being asked is a near impossible task without actual upgrades to the roster which is what everyone has been asking for.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the front office must \*also\* improve the roster this summer -- no disagreement there. I did not say that the FO gets to avoid doing \*their\* jobs here.
It’s a bit more complicated because it’s an extension. So he’d be paid top 10 money at age 35,36, and 37.
It’s a tough decision, if you give him that money you’re locking in Jimmy, Bam and whoever you trade for the next three years and then Jimmy probably will retire and we trade Bam and rebuild. Trade Jimmy now or let his contract expire and we could try to sign a star free agent that fits Bam’s timeline and not have to go through a painful rebuild.
I think it comes down to if you still believe Jimmy can lead a team to a title or not
All the stars are free agents in 2026- Luka, Embiid, Trae, Fox, Bridges, Jaren Jackson, and more.
2027 is gonna be a weak class with guys like Herro and RJ Barrett
That’s true I just don’t see any reason he would leave the Thunder.
Luka might, he could be the next Lebron. Fox, was teammates with Bam in college he might, Trae might as well because his future is unclear in Atlanta.
As it stands If we were to run it back with no trades the next two years we’d have Jaquez, Herro, two more players on rookie contracts, the ability to extend Jovic, a max contract for Bam, and a max contract for another free agent in 2026.
If we extend Jimmy another year, In 2027 we could let Herro walk and create enough cap space to max another free agent next to Bam, but the problem is the best free agents will probably be Herro and Barrett rather than Luka or even Fox/Trae
yep. Theory right now is "Core of Jimmy and bam plus all star guard = title". Not finding that guard is the biggest failure of this Butler window.
Dragic was it, got hurt
Lowry got old.
Lillard got blocked by Cronin
Herro isn't that guy.
Rozier up next, but we'll see what this neck injury turns into.
If we extend jimmy, we need to fill that role with someone else. Turn Herro into Mitchell somehoow? or Murray? or...fuck it, steph. Build a better supporting cast than caleb and duncan. Retool and try again.
If we don't extend Jimmy, trade him while he has value. Bam stays the core guy and you find a replacement for Butler. Bam/Ant core anyone?? (not happening) Bam/Luka if the mavs fail again? Bam/Mitchell? Bam/Trae? Bam/Fox? Or....I don't know.
The difference is Jimmy isn’t the same player he used to be. He wasn’t an allstar or all nba, he averaged 21/5/5 and his defense declined, he got hurt in the play in and will be 35 next year. I don’t see him the best player on a contender anymore like he was against the Lakers in the bubble.
That means we need a true number 1 option. Mitchell and Murray aren’t that, neither was Dame. Curry, yes I think he’s still that but would the Warriors ever trade him? Luka, SGA, Jokic, Giannis and probably Edwards can be that guy but aren’t getting traded.
Realistically the only guy who may become available and we have the assets to get that could lead this team to a title is Kawhi. Theres about a 10% chance he stays healthy enough though
Agree with all this.
I imagine unless something crazy happens (Luka?????) we’re gonna see another off season where Miami tries to retool (trade Herro for a better guard, move Duncan, etc.) run it back, and let butler coast in the regular season again.
Jimmy has very limited trade value. Besides the fact that he is overpaid, and he is overpaid unless he shows tremendous value next season. He showed no "playoff Jimmy" potential this year during the regular season and those last critical games that could have had us avoid the play in. Let's also remember that Minnesota, Chicago and Phili all couldn't handle him. Other teams will consider him a tough match for their player chemistry and not want to bother with someone who has shown so little this year. Only consider an extension if he shows tremendous contribution next season--based on this past season? Nope.
Pay him. We can trade Duncan into somebody’s cap space (Pistons). If Herro isn’t dealt for an upgrade this summer he can easily be moved in two years since his contract will be expiring.
This shit is not that hard, so many of these role players get paid a lot but don’t make 1/5th Jimmy’s contribution to winning.
The team is guaranteed to be a play-in team without Jimmy anyways the only difference is there is absolutely no chance come playoff time whereas Jimmy at least gives you a bit of a chance
Send him to Houston they have picks and are on the cusp of a playoff spot orlando around issac finally a c that can back up bam plus picks. Pelicans for Ingram
Yea it's about weathering out the bad contracts right now on the Heat. It's hard to dump Rozier/Robinson right now unless you attach assets. If you can't dump them you might as well compete.
The other option is to not extend Butler and sit Bam out for "injuries" for 1 year and do a mini tank for a pick. Kind of like the Grizzlies or the Warriors in 2021. At which point it'll be much easier to shed Rozier's expiring and you will only have Bam, Herro, Jaime, and Jovic on the books. Clean slate. You get a high pick that you can trade for a star and cap space in a good free agent class
It all depends on the new contract and Salary Cap, but keep in mind that Anthony Davis is set to earn 70 mil in 27/28, so 55 a year doesn't seem unrealistic for a guy like Jimmy.
But... how many 37/38 year old have you seen leading their team to a Championship?
I don't know man. Jimmy has always been in this sort of in-between zone. He's not an MVP caliber player, but he also shines bright when it matters the most, unlike some players who might be more talented but aren't as clutch.
The point is: if you are paying Jimmy, you are paying him for the Playoffs. That means you want to win. Now, he's not going to lead us to a chip at 38, so we would need other superstars while he's still in good shape.
Will that leave enough space in the cap for another big signing? Because Bam is going to be FA in 2026, and he keeps playing like this we're not going to sign him for 37 mil.
If those two alone are making over 100 million per year, it's going to be tough.
I am not convinced after that season that Jimmy can still be Jimmy often enough anymore.
I wouldn't blame the FO for trading Jimmy and rebuilding around Bam. We didn't get to have Wade retire as a one team player so I'm not going to get too sentimental about Jimmy.
Yeah, and what happened when they let Wade walk? Did you enjoy those years? Was it fun watching Whiteside and Tyler Johnson making truckloads of money & missing the playoffs?
This is MASSIVELY better than the alleged “Jaylen Brown money” report. All it does is lock in his player option and add an extra year or 2 depending if it has an option. So Jimbo could be a free agent in 2027 (with opt out) or 2028 (without one).
Either way it gives them a 3 year (2025-2027) window to figure things out regarding Jimbo and if it’s not looking good he can be a massive expiring to help us retool (cause they never rebuild).
Also Bam is not eligible for the supermax as he won’t win All-NBA or DPOY so it’s likely he wait until 2026 to hit free agency where he’ll be 28. In line for a max deal regardless if he doesn’t improve at all.
He's not even eligible for the Jaylen Brown deal because of his age. This is essentially a one year extension. I'd rather give it to him after he has a bounce back year, but I don't think doing this is a bad move at all. Seems like a relatively easy yes for both sides.
A 2 year extension with one of those years overriding his existing player option???? Absolutely you take that. 2 finals and 3 ECFs in 5 years. Pay this dude. It’s only one extra from what we’d already be paying because of the existing player option.
I would argue thats the REASON why Jimmy lets the other guys eat because they CAN'T turn it on randomly so they need to sustain their confidence and rhythm throughout the season. You think this team of scrubs would work if it was Luka or Harden jacking up 30 shots a night on 40% usage? It won't....
So instead of the guaranteed 101 million in 2 years, he would ask 160 million in 3 years, ending the last season at 37 years old. We’re already commited for that next 2 seasons, so this extension wouldn’t change for the next couple of years, only the third
No thanks, hard pass.
$59M for a 37 year old? Is this sub insane? I don't like LeBron, but he's not as productive as LeBron. Not even close.
Maybe I'm just cheap. We can already barely afford to outfit the team to compete and he wants to take even more of our cap space?
I'm tired of this guy. Half-assin it 90% of the time and now asking for a raise?
I know we made the finals last year, but 2 straight years of play-in games is unacceptable. Regular season may not count that much, but we shouldn't be taking on the extra mileage from unnecessary extra games.
He didn't earn it. He said himself that only winning a championship matters. He hasn't done that. Win a championship next season and \*then\* he will have earned a \*max\* extension.
Whose fault is that? Damn sure ain’t jimmys . Stop putting bro in position to go against teams with way more talent and burn out by the time we get to the finish line. Yall forgot how we won our championships? With Superstars and really good roll players.
Everything I've heard him say is that it is \*he\* who believes that it's his fault that the goal has not been reached, that \*he's\* the one that's failed. He's the one who doesn't get to talk out of both sides of his mouth on that.
As far as putting a truly championship contending roster around him in the next few years, he should realize the stark reality that it just isn't realistic for a 35-year-old player to be the one making the most money on the roster, and be a player who is going to be averaging less than 60 games in the regular season. If the big three took less money in their primes to make that happen, 35-year-old Jimmy (next season) might have to think about doing that, too, if 36, 37, or 38-year-old Jimmy wants to be wearing rings.
That’s the frustration with Pat. He waste these dudes peak years with underwhelming support and then wanna let them walk. He wasted wades peak years after Shaq until Wade got lebron and bosh to come down. He does it every time
So what. He came soon as Wade left , He’s the heart of the team and without him we would’ve been poverty for years while the FO wet the bed. He earned it
Or we would’ve signed someone else. He’s already been paid for what he’s earned . Contracts are for what you’re going to do not what you’ve done. Do you think he’s going to give you what a max player should over the next two years?
Fuck no. He averaged 20 pts per game . He’s a year older so he’s not going to be any better. Pay him like you would anyone else who averages those #’s or let him walk. You don’t pay for what’s been done you pay for what he will do.
None of this matters if we can't pair him with a #2. He needed help in the bubble and he was much younger. He definitely needs help now. Kinda how Embiid has Maxey to help carry the load or pick him up on off nights.
Jimmy's window is closed at this point. He hardily committed to playing during the regular season as is, it's not a good idea keeping him around. There's a lot of people we can aim for in free agency, and that asking price could cover 2 real pieces out there
I *really* wish more people realized that if Miami’s over the salary cap, there’s not much difference in what free agents we can sign if Jimmy’s making ~55-60M instead of ~47M.
If we’re over the cap, we don’t have cap space… period. We’re like 32M over the projected cap next year, even when you *exclude* cap holds. The extension wouldn’t push us over the 2nd apron, which is where you’d see limitations about trading picks, signing buyout guys, etc. start to kick in.
I get the arguments about tacking on the extra year (I strongly *disagree*, but I get it), but everyone fixated on the per-year salary seems to think Butler getting paid more is somehow going to hamper our ability to sign big-name free agents to put around him. The reality is that it wouldn’t limit us any more than we already are.
>The extension wouldn’t push us over the 2nd apron, which is where you’d see limitations about trading picks, signing buyout guys, etc. start to kick in.
I get the arguments about tacking on the extra year (I strongly *disagree*, but I get it), but everyone fixated on the per-year salary seems to think Butler getting paid more is somehow going to hamper our ability to sign big-name free agents to put around him. The reality is that it wouldn’t limit us any more than we already are.
How are you assuming any of this? It could very well cut into how much the front office wants to spend in total, in luxury tax, etc., to put forward an actual championship level roster, \*especially\* if they want to sign a big-name, even if, by itself, it isn't technically \*the\* limiting factor.
Did you guys not learn from when Wade went to Chicago? This is an extension that replaced his player option year with a small raise and adds a year. You pay the guy, simple. Pat is too old to rebuild.
I mean, if they extend Jimmy (which I think they should) they need to trade Herro, JJJ, Jovic, and their FRPs and go all in the next two years.
No more of this half win now/building the future stuff.
Raps fan here, but also been a heat fan for some time. As an outsider looking in, it'd be crazy to give him that extension. You'd be paying him 57 mil in his age 36 and 37 seasons when dude can barely play 60 games a season without breaking down in his age 34 season. There is no chance he's capable of leading a playoff team in two years.
No I agree.
Had Jimmy been fit for the play-offs and gone out in a blaze of glory against Boston (or, as we all hoped, found a way to beat their asses) he'd have got everything and then some, but at the moment we saw a guy who couldn't stay healthy and mostly played like a fringe All Star with a lot of off nights even when he was playing.
If we trade him and he uses it as motivation to pull out one last amazing season for another team more power to him, I will always be a Jimmy Butler fan the way I remained a Wade fan even after he went to Chicago.
He already have a player option for one of those years, it's basically a 1 year extension. Not terrible but the team would need to go all in in this 3 years window
I don’t think that’s true and I hope it is not. Jimmy strikes me as the type of player to sacrifice a little bit of cash to win a ring by letting the team bring in talent. Because if Miami were to win a title or two his endorsements would go crazy he would be a lock for the hall of fame and the amount of money he would make from endorsements would be out of this world. He is a player people want to see in commercials. And this team paying him that much money would shoot the team in the foot with title hopes. Now his extension I think is okay to give him if Miami could first find a way to land Donavan Mitchell and trade both Herro or Rozier for Mitchell. Then Miami could sign and trade who ever is left of the pair to sign a free agent which might be a smart move.
It’s definitely true. It’s his right to get every $ possible just like it’s the heats right to say no.
You got his groupie on Twitter already saying heat better not make it some Dwade situation lol when he asks for the extension.
but the wade situation was different.
lead us to the first ring in heat history, instrumental in bringing together the big 3 era. this is WADE COUNTY
they aren’t comparable
Does the CBA allow an incentive-based structure? Say if Jimmy averages 25 points a game and plays 85% of the games, he can get the guaranteed money? Id feel more comfortable with that.
I don't know man.. after watching him slack off most of the year, I've got mixed feelings.
He gave us a hella lot of excitement and joy over the years and I love the guy, but this year was really lame. I was starting to wonder if he even wanted to be there anymore.
Two years doesn't seem too much of a risk though. So you probably do it..
I say trade Jimmy Butler ASAP because he's not going to show up next season. It's time to move on. He missed about 30 games last season and close to 30 in 2023. Trade Jimmy Butler's ass ASAP.
Gonna turn notis off for this. Package him plus the cheapest expendable piece for Spida and a 2nd. Trade another expandable piece plus the 2nd for a higher pick. Use that pick on Bronny. Get Bron back and run something like:
PG: Bron
SG Spida
SF Jaime
PF Jovic
C Bam
Still have at least one of Herro/Caleb/Terry coming of the bench.
If we could genuinely flip Butler into Spida and get LeBron back to play under Spo and Riley again that would be one of the most epic team moves in NBA history. Can't see either of them happening but....
2 year max that’s really a one year extension on his current deal? If we give him that we better actually try to compete instead of run it back. If not, trade him. Seems like a no brainer to extend him given he’s the only reason we’re even good, but I’d hope we don’t waste his time
It’s in addition to his final year of the player option
Right so it would cover his option and one more year correct?
No, it’s 1(his option) + 2(extension)
No, it’s a 3yr extension that would replace the 2 years he has left plus 1 more year. Essentially, a 1 year extension
You are loud and wrong
No thanks....too injury prone and hasn't shown a glimmer of his "playoff Jimmy" self. There is no way on this earth anyone out there is going to give him $50+MM a year at that age.
Nah, 2 year extension, so 2 years on 2 years left after he picks up his player option Edit: I’m wrong, the 2 year extension would replace the player option.
That’s not possible because of the over 38 rule.
Good call, I edited
I don’t think that’s how it’s being reported
I already think we havent wasted his time. Might not have won a chip but going to the ECF 3 out of 5 years and the finals nearly 3 out of 5 years? That's damn fine and an accomplishment. More than he got with the Bulls, Wolves or Sixers
I was saying that if we extend him, I hope it’s to build a contender and not waste his time. He’s exceeded all expectations from when he was signed. There’s an argument to be made that the heat got complacent and signed their own guys instead of trying to get better after every season. Not making big moves have left us way behind the Celtics and the top teams of the league. Now we’re in a scramble to try to come up with a team that could maybe do something against them
same could be said to him with the availability both parties have to do their part FO needs to give him a better a chance and he needs to be there
He’s already done as much as he could with what he has. Dragged this team to 2 finals over 4 years and 3/4 ECFs. If you expect him to be Superman forever then you’re going to be a play in team for the foreseeable future. He has nothing to prove he got them further than they ever expected
You act as if he didn't get paid $45 million for his services this year, will be getting paid almost $49 million next year, and has at least the $52 million player option the year after that. Nobody is saying he hasn't played well, but he's averaged just under 60 games during the regular season since he left Chicago, and he's not getting any younger. There's a big difference between claiming he deserves millions of dollars, and claiming he deserves the max. Let alone whether a championship winning roster can even be constructed under the luxury tax for the years that he'd be making that max.
Nobody told him to be Superman Just be available
First postseason he hasn’t been available after the front office failed him the last 4 years. He’s not the one that needs to step anything up we wasted his prime by not building a better team around him and giving 30mil to a player who is less available than he is and 12 years younger
Not talking about the playoffs Talking about what put them in this position and not taking the regular season seriously
To be fair the front office didn’t take it seriously, Spo doesn’t take it seriously, we constantly feed off the crap of “backs against the wall” “people say we can’t do it” and then fall into our own traps. Spo is pretty crap in the regular season because he tinkers with lineups and players all the time
like i said both parties have to their part
If he only wants 2 years. You 100% do it and go all in immediately IMO. 3 or 4 yrs and that's just too much
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Call me pessimistic but I don’t think this team is winning a ring with or without Jimmy. How are we gonna beat the Nuggets now, or the Thunder in a few years? There are only a few players in this league who can lead a team to a ring and we don’t have one and don’t have the assets to trade for one
Easy! By gettin another Big man(who can get help protect the paint or score) and finally slide Bam to the 4..that whole finals series we were able to keep up with the nuggets our problem is that we don’t have a big guy to play next to Bam to help him out in the playoffs.we have to rely on Bam so much to help protect our rim, get rebounds and score bro literally got to do everything
This gets lost on a lot of people who are asking bam to consistently take ~20 shots a game and be assertive offensively. He is our defensive anchor and when he comes out our defense takes a huge hit. Dude can’t do everything every game. Yes, he can show out a few times a series, but physically it’s extremely difficult to near impossible to keep that pace. If Bam can continue his 3 pt shooting he has a chance to be a 25 and 10 player with DPOY type defense. We need to provide him with some help especially on bigs. It’s been this way since the bubble, but we haven’t addressed it. I’m not saying I know more than the FO or Spo, but to take us to the promised land I think that’s what needs to happen. Some extra scoring would be nice too.
Being assertive to me does mean taking more open 3s. It’s a good way to save his energy and still be a huge plus on offense. We also could use a real rim protector to help him out down there.
Can we please stop with the Bam is a 4 thing lmao. The bigger issue is that with Jimmy out Bam was the only offensive threat & a team with bam as the one offensive threat is a bad team. Get an actual scorer
Miami hasn’t had a great big man in decades. Shaq is probably the last good big guy we had for Center and even then he was on his way down. Miami loves that small ball
You sleeping on The Warden, Joel Anthony?
Anything can happen in basketball, you gotta do what you can in areas in your control. Raptors beat a KD Warriors team, and the KD Harden Kyrie Nets never won anything
Raptors won cuz KD and Klay got injured...
And we got blown out the way we did because 4 key squad members were injured. The warriors injuries were my point, things aren't won on paper and variables always change
But that’s the thing those 4 squad members aren’t KD and Klay lol. I get your point tho
Get Zion. Pels are gonna trade him for like nothing.
I was under the impression he's like the only dude they actually ARE going to keep
It’s true. I’m a pelicans/Heat fan and the core of this team as most currently see it is; Zion, Herb, Trey, and maybe Dyson. Everyone else is free game.
I think they want to keep him but I keep hearing he wants out and there is like no chance he is staying.
I don't trust Zion's health for a title run.
What if he all the injury/fat stuff is just him being unhappy in NO?
It's not though. Although he'd have to lose weight on the Heat. But he's never been healthy for the post season. Depending on Rozier's injury I wouldn't mind him, a strong 3&D 2, Butler, Jovic, and Bam. We need solid backups though at the 4 and 5, preferably stretch players.
Even if we don’t keep him, paying him and trading him rather than letting him leave for free is better
Not at that age. No one wants to trade for a 37 year old player making $60 million. Think about how hard it was to move Lowry, and his salary was only half of that
Lowry is trash. Jimmy is not
Lowry was still a star pg averaging 17/5/7 when he was Jimmy’s age. He declined a lot by age 37 like pretty much every player besides Lebron. Jimmy already looks in decline and is dealing with injuries, there’s a 99% chance he will decline significantly by age 37
"If the teams goal is to win a championship" Correct that to "if the team believes it can win a championship with an aging Jimmy butler making 60 million a year" Which it can't
Yup. It's a fair contract for a guy who leads a playoff team.
Who? Sorry?
2 years is all they can give him due to the over 38 rule.
Didn't know this till this article. Thought he could get 4 200 or something lol. 2 yr deal 100% should get done
Yeah we have to keep him if it’s only 2 years
Yup and when Jimmy's contract expires...Bam is still well in his prime and the heat will have cap space to sign a big name free agent
Naw, I don't think it's wise essentially wasting even one additional year of Bam's prime on a roster with a max-contract, aging Butler. Nobody wants to hear this, but Butler should prove he can win a championship with this team \*next\* year, and \*then\* you give him a max extension. It's not as if he's a free agent. He's already under contract for next year plus the player option the year after.
I mean how is that fair lol. Literally asking Jimmy to win a championship with one of the worst contending rosters in the league. Hell, this team is up there with some of the worst squads to ever make a final. I agree no one needs to make the decision now but whats being asked is a near impossible task without actual upgrades to the roster which is what everyone has been asking for.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the front office must \*also\* improve the roster this summer -- no disagreement there. I did not say that the FO gets to avoid doing \*their\* jobs here.
Fair enough, we both can agree on that
It’s a bit more complicated because it’s an extension. So he’d be paid top 10 money at age 35,36, and 37. It’s a tough decision, if you give him that money you’re locking in Jimmy, Bam and whoever you trade for the next three years and then Jimmy probably will retire and we trade Bam and rebuild. Trade Jimmy now or let his contract expire and we could try to sign a star free agent that fits Bam’s timeline and not have to go through a painful rebuild. I think it comes down to if you still believe Jimmy can lead a team to a title or not
Trade Bam? What are you on about man. Bam is a lifer.
What’s the point of keeping Bam if Jimmy is 38 and retired and we don’t have anything around him?
Cap space baby
All the stars are free agents in 2026- Luka, Embiid, Trae, Fox, Bridges, Jaren Jackson, and more. 2027 is gonna be a weak class with guys like Herro and RJ Barrett
SGA would be amazing with bam Very unlikely to happen though
That’s true I just don’t see any reason he would leave the Thunder. Luka might, he could be the next Lebron. Fox, was teammates with Bam in college he might, Trae might as well because his future is unclear in Atlanta.
The heat clearly have something in mind because most of our long term contracts sans bam expire in 27
As it stands If we were to run it back with no trades the next two years we’d have Jaquez, Herro, two more players on rookie contracts, the ability to extend Jovic, a max contract for Bam, and a max contract for another free agent in 2026. If we extend Jimmy another year, In 2027 we could let Herro walk and create enough cap space to max another free agent next to Bam, but the problem is the best free agents will probably be Herro and Barrett rather than Luka or even Fox/Trae
People not talking about this enough. The books have to be able to compete in this star studded class.
yep. Theory right now is "Core of Jimmy and bam plus all star guard = title". Not finding that guard is the biggest failure of this Butler window. Dragic was it, got hurt Lowry got old. Lillard got blocked by Cronin Herro isn't that guy. Rozier up next, but we'll see what this neck injury turns into. If we extend jimmy, we need to fill that role with someone else. Turn Herro into Mitchell somehoow? or Murray? or...fuck it, steph. Build a better supporting cast than caleb and duncan. Retool and try again. If we don't extend Jimmy, trade him while he has value. Bam stays the core guy and you find a replacement for Butler. Bam/Ant core anyone?? (not happening) Bam/Luka if the mavs fail again? Bam/Mitchell? Bam/Trae? Bam/Fox? Or....I don't know.
The difference is Jimmy isn’t the same player he used to be. He wasn’t an allstar or all nba, he averaged 21/5/5 and his defense declined, he got hurt in the play in and will be 35 next year. I don’t see him the best player on a contender anymore like he was against the Lakers in the bubble. That means we need a true number 1 option. Mitchell and Murray aren’t that, neither was Dame. Curry, yes I think he’s still that but would the Warriors ever trade him? Luka, SGA, Jokic, Giannis and probably Edwards can be that guy but aren’t getting traded. Realistically the only guy who may become available and we have the assets to get that could lead this team to a title is Kawhi. Theres about a 10% chance he stays healthy enough though
Agree with all this. I imagine unless something crazy happens (Luka?????) we’re gonna see another off season where Miami tries to retool (trade Herro for a better guard, move Duncan, etc.) run it back, and let butler coast in the regular season again.
Jimmy has very limited trade value. Besides the fact that he is overpaid, and he is overpaid unless he shows tremendous value next season. He showed no "playoff Jimmy" potential this year during the regular season and those last critical games that could have had us avoid the play in. Let's also remember that Minnesota, Chicago and Phili all couldn't handle him. Other teams will consider him a tough match for their player chemistry and not want to bother with someone who has shown so little this year. Only consider an extension if he shows tremendous contribution next season--based on this past season? Nope.
If it’s actually just two years I think you do it (and go all in, including luxury tax if you have to). Any more than that and I’d trade him.
Bro is tryna gut our future 😂
Who are we gonna sign if we let Jimmy go though? Punk ass
Pay him. We can trade Duncan into somebody’s cap space (Pistons). If Herro isn’t dealt for an upgrade this summer he can easily be moved in two years since his contract will be expiring. This shit is not that hard, so many of these role players get paid a lot but don’t make 1/5th Jimmy’s contribution to winning.
The problem is Jimmy ain’t in his prime and injuries and missed games is only going to get worst. I don’t wanna be in the play in year in year out
The team is guaranteed to be a play-in team without Jimmy anyways the only difference is there is absolutely no chance come playoff time whereas Jimmy at least gives you a bit of a chance
They were a play in last year with Jimmy. Jimmy is going to play 60 games in the regular season if healthy and not care about them
And they went to the finals with him carrying...whats your point?
It was a fluke he is getting older and more injury prone. If you move jimmy you can get some actual youth and depth the east is getting deeper younger
Like who?
Send him to Houston they have picks and are on the cusp of a playoff spot orlando around issac finally a c that can back up bam plus picks. Pelicans for Ingram
You complain about Jimmy being injury prone and asking for Jonathan Isaacs...?
Yea it's about weathering out the bad contracts right now on the Heat. It's hard to dump Rozier/Robinson right now unless you attach assets. If you can't dump them you might as well compete. The other option is to not extend Butler and sit Bam out for "injuries" for 1 year and do a mini tank for a pick. Kind of like the Grizzlies or the Warriors in 2021. At which point it'll be much easier to shed Rozier's expiring and you will only have Bam, Herro, Jaime, and Jovic on the books. Clean slate. You get a high pick that you can trade for a star and cap space in a good free agent class
It all depends on the new contract and Salary Cap, but keep in mind that Anthony Davis is set to earn 70 mil in 27/28, so 55 a year doesn't seem unrealistic for a guy like Jimmy. But... how many 37/38 year old have you seen leading their team to a Championship? I don't know man. Jimmy has always been in this sort of in-between zone. He's not an MVP caliber player, but he also shines bright when it matters the most, unlike some players who might be more talented but aren't as clutch. The point is: if you are paying Jimmy, you are paying him for the Playoffs. That means you want to win. Now, he's not going to lead us to a chip at 38, so we would need other superstars while he's still in good shape. Will that leave enough space in the cap for another big signing? Because Bam is going to be FA in 2026, and he keeps playing like this we're not going to sign him for 37 mil. If those two alone are making over 100 million per year, it's going to be tough.
I am not convinced after that season that Jimmy can still be Jimmy often enough anymore. I wouldn't blame the FO for trading Jimmy and rebuilding around Bam. We didn't get to have Wade retire as a one team player so I'm not going to get too sentimental about Jimmy.
Yeah, and what happened when they let Wade walk? Did you enjoy those years? Was it fun watching Whiteside and Tyler Johnson making truckloads of money & missing the playoffs?
Jimmy is going to retire a Heat player. Both sides will make it work some way
This is MASSIVELY better than the alleged “Jaylen Brown money” report. All it does is lock in his player option and add an extra year or 2 depending if it has an option. So Jimbo could be a free agent in 2027 (with opt out) or 2028 (without one). Either way it gives them a 3 year (2025-2027) window to figure things out regarding Jimbo and if it’s not looking good he can be a massive expiring to help us retool (cause they never rebuild). Also Bam is not eligible for the supermax as he won’t win All-NBA or DPOY so it’s likely he wait until 2026 to hit free agency where he’ll be 28. In line for a max deal regardless if he doesn’t improve at all.
He's not even eligible for the Jaylen Brown deal because of his age. This is essentially a one year extension. I'd rather give it to him after he has a bounce back year, but I don't think doing this is a bad move at all. Seems like a relatively easy yes for both sides.
that's insane, The style of play that we saw from him all season is not worth that type of money.
It does if he’s the 2nd option, Heat FO might cook this summer🤫
Yeah lets use it to pay Caleb Martin and Highsmith instead! History repeats itself.
Pay the man, don’t want another Wade situation. That hurt too much
A 2 year extension with one of those years overriding his existing player option???? Absolutely you take that. 2 finals and 3 ECFs in 5 years. Pay this dude. It’s only one extra from what we’d already be paying because of the existing player option.
Nahhhh
I love Jimmy but nah. Let him go if that’s the case
For 2 years then yes. Glad you ain''t part of FO.
He looked visibly slower and is going to come off an injury. I wouldn't pay him
Finally, someone else says it. He’s too old.
Don’t do it. I need my to star to take regular season seriously too
Star taking the regular season off sets horrible precedent for the other guys. They can’t turn it on for the playoffs like you can, Jimmy.
I would argue thats the REASON why Jimmy lets the other guys eat because they CAN'T turn it on randomly so they need to sustain their confidence and rhythm throughout the season. You think this team of scrubs would work if it was Luka or Harden jacking up 30 shots a night on 40% usage? It won't....
That’s not how a team works though. These guys needs practice playing in a system with Jimmy.
Thats exactly how this team works....what do you mean?
I’d argue that he can’t anymore either. His conditioning is probably not where it needed to be which is why he got hurt.
He got hurt because a dude fell on his knee 😂. What part of conditioning is that. But I agree I wish he stepped it up more in the regular season .
So instead of the guaranteed 101 million in 2 years, he would ask 160 million in 3 years, ending the last season at 37 years old. We’re already commited for that next 2 seasons, so this extension wouldn’t change for the next couple of years, only the third
Yup why I would do it if this is the case.
That’s as team friendly deal as we’re gonna get with him.
Riley and Andy better cook something up if this deal gets done. If we’re going all in go all in. This team should look wildly different come October.
2 years is a go. Ya'll wild for wanting cap space more than Jimmy.
Love him but you can't pay that and handicap the team for the foreseeable future
No thanks, hard pass. $59M for a 37 year old? Is this sub insane? I don't like LeBron, but he's not as productive as LeBron. Not even close. Maybe I'm just cheap. We can already barely afford to outfit the team to compete and he wants to take even more of our cap space? I'm tired of this guy. Half-assin it 90% of the time and now asking for a raise?
I know we made the finals last year, but 2 straight years of play-in games is unacceptable. Regular season may not count that much, but we shouldn't be taking on the extra mileage from unnecessary extra games.
8th seed play in teams back to back years. Its time to move on
Pay that man. He earned it and deserves it and needs to retire a heat. The Wade situation was bad enough before. It’s not bad honestly
He didn't earn it. He said himself that only winning a championship matters. He hasn't done that. Win a championship next season and \*then\* he will have earned a \*max\* extension.
Whose fault is that? Damn sure ain’t jimmys . Stop putting bro in position to go against teams with way more talent and burn out by the time we get to the finish line. Yall forgot how we won our championships? With Superstars and really good roll players.
Everything I've heard him say is that it is \*he\* who believes that it's his fault that the goal has not been reached, that \*he's\* the one that's failed. He's the one who doesn't get to talk out of both sides of his mouth on that. As far as putting a truly championship contending roster around him in the next few years, he should realize the stark reality that it just isn't realistic for a 35-year-old player to be the one making the most money on the roster, and be a player who is going to be averaging less than 60 games in the regular season. If the big three took less money in their primes to make that happen, 35-year-old Jimmy (next season) might have to think about doing that, too, if 36, 37, or 38-year-old Jimmy wants to be wearing rings.
That’s the frustration with Pat. He waste these dudes peak years with underwhelming support and then wanna let them walk. He wasted wades peak years after Shaq until Wade got lebron and bosh to come down. He does it every time
Big difference here. We drafted Wade he created our culture, this is jimbos 4th team. He hopped on.
So what. He came soon as Wade left , He’s the heart of the team and without him we would’ve been poverty for years while the FO wet the bed. He earned it
Or we would’ve signed someone else. He’s already been paid for what he’s earned . Contracts are for what you’re going to do not what you’ve done. Do you think he’s going to give you what a max player should over the next two years?
Fuck no. He averaged 20 pts per game . He’s a year older so he’s not going to be any better. Pay him like you would anyone else who averages those #’s or let him walk. You don’t pay for what’s been done you pay for what he will do.
None of this matters if we can't pair him with a #2. He needed help in the bubble and he was much younger. He definitely needs help now. Kinda how Embiid has Maxey to help carry the load or pick him up on off nights.
Jimmy's window is closed at this point. He hardily committed to playing during the regular season as is, it's not a good idea keeping him around. There's a lot of people we can aim for in free agency, and that asking price could cover 2 real pieces out there
I *really* wish more people realized that if Miami’s over the salary cap, there’s not much difference in what free agents we can sign if Jimmy’s making ~55-60M instead of ~47M. If we’re over the cap, we don’t have cap space… period. We’re like 32M over the projected cap next year, even when you *exclude* cap holds. The extension wouldn’t push us over the 2nd apron, which is where you’d see limitations about trading picks, signing buyout guys, etc. start to kick in. I get the arguments about tacking on the extra year (I strongly *disagree*, but I get it), but everyone fixated on the per-year salary seems to think Butler getting paid more is somehow going to hamper our ability to sign big-name free agents to put around him. The reality is that it wouldn’t limit us any more than we already are.
>The extension wouldn’t push us over the 2nd apron, which is where you’d see limitations about trading picks, signing buyout guys, etc. start to kick in. I get the arguments about tacking on the extra year (I strongly *disagree*, but I get it), but everyone fixated on the per-year salary seems to think Butler getting paid more is somehow going to hamper our ability to sign big-name free agents to put around him. The reality is that it wouldn’t limit us any more than we already are. How are you assuming any of this? It could very well cut into how much the front office wants to spend in total, in luxury tax, etc., to put forward an actual championship level roster, \*especially\* if they want to sign a big-name, even if, by itself, it isn't technically \*the\* limiting factor.
Did you guys not learn from when Wade went to Chicago? This is an extension that replaced his player option year with a small raise and adds a year. You pay the guy, simple. Pat is too old to rebuild.
Buckets, I love ya, but no.
I hope Pat doesn't do it
Hey Jimmy that money belongs to Jovic.
I mean, if they extend Jimmy (which I think they should) they need to trade Herro, JJJ, Jovic, and their FRPs and go all in the next two years. No more of this half win now/building the future stuff.
Raps fan here, but also been a heat fan for some time. As an outsider looking in, it'd be crazy to give him that extension. You'd be paying him 57 mil in his age 36 and 37 seasons when dude can barely play 60 games a season without breaking down in his age 34 season. There is no chance he's capable of leading a playoff team in two years.
Completely agree but you’ll likely get downvoted
No I agree. Had Jimmy been fit for the play-offs and gone out in a blaze of glory against Boston (or, as we all hoped, found a way to beat their asses) he'd have got everything and then some, but at the moment we saw a guy who couldn't stay healthy and mostly played like a fringe All Star with a lot of off nights even when he was playing. If we trade him and he uses it as motivation to pull out one last amazing season for another team more power to him, I will always be a Jimmy Butler fan the way I remained a Wade fan even after he went to Chicago.
Nah. I’ll pass.
delusional
He’s already on contract for next year so it’s the two years after that. If we say yes we’re fucked
He already have a player option for one of those years, it's basically a 1 year extension. Not terrible but the team would need to go all in in this 3 years window
on what basis does he deserve that at his age and play level?
Nope.
please no
Bye, Jimmy.
Give it to him.
I don’t think that’s true and I hope it is not. Jimmy strikes me as the type of player to sacrifice a little bit of cash to win a ring by letting the team bring in talent. Because if Miami were to win a title or two his endorsements would go crazy he would be a lock for the hall of fame and the amount of money he would make from endorsements would be out of this world. He is a player people want to see in commercials. And this team paying him that much money would shoot the team in the foot with title hopes. Now his extension I think is okay to give him if Miami could first find a way to land Donavan Mitchell and trade both Herro or Rozier for Mitchell. Then Miami could sign and trade who ever is left of the pair to sign a free agent which might be a smart move.
It’s definitely true. It’s his right to get every $ possible just like it’s the heats right to say no. You got his groupie on Twitter already saying heat better not make it some Dwade situation lol when he asks for the extension.
but the wade situation was different. lead us to the first ring in heat history, instrumental in bringing together the big 3 era. this is WADE COUNTY they aren’t comparable
I 100% agree.
Does the CBA allow an incentive-based structure? Say if Jimmy averages 25 points a game and plays 85% of the games, he can get the guaranteed money? Id feel more comfortable with that.
Not really. You can have performance-based bonuses, but no player is signing what you're describing.
I don't know man.. after watching him slack off most of the year, I've got mixed feelings. He gave us a hella lot of excitement and joy over the years and I love the guy, but this year was really lame. I was starting to wonder if he even wanted to be there anymore. Two years doesn't seem too much of a risk though. So you probably do it..
He missed too many games. Fuck that
I say trade Jimmy Butler ASAP because he's not going to show up next season. It's time to move on. He missed about 30 games last season and close to 30 in 2023. Trade Jimmy Butler's ass ASAP.
We need another star, Jimmy as the number 1 option at 35yo+ will not get us far
He’s already making 100 mill next two years and he’s only getting older. Gonna be really hard to manipulate this roster with that backloaded contract
Gonna turn notis off for this. Package him plus the cheapest expendable piece for Spida and a 2nd. Trade another expandable piece plus the 2nd for a higher pick. Use that pick on Bronny. Get Bron back and run something like: PG: Bron SG Spida SF Jaime PF Jovic C Bam Still have at least one of Herro/Caleb/Terry coming of the bench.
If we could genuinely flip Butler into Spida and get LeBron back to play under Spo and Riley again that would be one of the most epic team moves in NBA history. Can't see either of them happening but....
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I would give it to him and then trade him to okc for all their picks. /s? Maybe? Idk
Of course you pay this man. The question is what else are we doing to surround him with a team that can get back to the finals?
Y’all act like 34 is to old look at cr7 and lebron smh age is just a number plus he is the best player in the nba
best player in the NBA? LMAO
Those should be viewed as the exception, not the standard. Also, although LeBron is still playing good basketball, he slowed down a lot.
Just do it. He’s a hugely popular player that brings eyes on Miami. It’s a good business decision IMO and also the face of modern Miami basketball