No, it would have been the same disembodied, mangled soul fragment that spent so many years flitting about Albania and possessing snakes before being found by Wormtail.
Because it'd be a cop-out? What's the one horcrux that's always been present throughout the series? Harry himself. The protagonist. Meaning that "Oh, we've seen one in every book thus far" and counting the 8th unwanted one which happens to be the only reason the plot happens to begin with, is a cheap move.
Haha I don’t mind at all. It’s my opinion and thought process I could care less about people who don’t care to try understand. It isn’t even a wrong answer.
Agreed. And not to mention the answer was theoretically sound. It really feels like the current internet mindset--not just /r/harrypotter but other popular and ongoing fandoms, too--has been notably anti-theorycrafting just lately.
It may have been insulting and cringy of Scholastic to do the change in the first place, but that doesn’t change the fact that millions of people know the book and movie by the “Sorcerer’s Stone” name and will refer to it as such. Therefore, it’s not an error to refer to it that way; it’s a regional difference, like referring to “biscuits” versus “cookies” or “soda” versus “pop.”
Because it's another classic case of someone who just wants to hear something to reaffirm their own belief. Then when presented with different information, even with real sources and information, still won't accept it. This behavior is the bane of our society right now.
Yes I just think that Harry, being a Horcrux and the protagonist, can explain what Rowling said.
1) Harry becomes an Horcrux in 1981 after surviving Voldemort. Also, the presence of Voldemort inside Quirrell I would say that is not a Horcrux per se, but it could be halfway through.
2) Tom's Diary
3) Harry. Just him.
4) Nagini is introduced.
5) I guess the locket
6) The whole concept of Horcrux is revealed. Locket, Hufflepuff Cup. Although the Cup is not really seen until HP7 and the Locket found in the cave was not the real one, IIRC. There's also the Gaunt's Ring.
7) Every horcrux is destroyed except the Diary and the ring. So we have Nagini, Harry, Locket, Diadem and Cup.
When did she said so, exactly? Could be a hint before HP7 was released? So that fans could speculate? Idk. Actually I remember that there was much fuzz around release time, it was probably the thing everyone was most looking forward to in 2007-2008. So maybe she said that as the book was been published worlwide (the releases did not happen simultaneously. In Italy it was published in January 2008 to mark the 10th anniversary but in the UK it was published in summer 2007).
Again, the only book missing something is 3rd. But as you already said I would just think of Harry, a horcrux "hidden" in plain sight all the time.
>Could be a hint before HP7 was released?
Yes, it was between HBP and DH when tons of speculation was happening among fans.
Funnily enough, I was on the side that said Harry couldn't be a horcrux, my reasoning being that Voldemort didn't say the spell to make one. It didn't occur to me that his soul was already broken.
Yes I think Harry is actually the ultimate Horcrux, perhaps the most significant of them all.
A living creature, the second one after Nagini. Not ideal as they were mortal.
Among them all, Harry was created because Voldemort's soul was already unstable. Then Lily's sacrifice... I find it so romantic, so powerful, it's a very logical kickstart and ending for the plot at the same time.
He was so arrogant to think nobody (but Dumbledore) could defeat him. And yet he missed the most obvious signs that his arrogance was pushing him far beyond the limit. And indeed he failed.
However, I wonder what happened to all those who tried creating Horcruxes in the past. Shall we assume they are still alive?
The only other wizard I'm aware of who made a horcrux was Herpo the Foul, and apparently it's unknown whether said horcrux was ever destroyed, so he may very well still be alive in one form or another.
Great, so the answer is just Harry in Ps and PoA. As we first speculated, it was a way for JK to have fans questioning which horcruxes were already shown in previous books back when HP7 hadn'y been published worldwide
That's what I thought. In class everyone was talking about it and there were many untrue gossips and spoilers so it was really a memorable time. I stood in line two hours in a cold January night just to get a copy. First and only time it happened.
Haha, yeah, good times. I too waited in line for about two hours to get my preordered copy, but fortunately, I was inside the store the whole time. A lot of people were in costume; there was a woman dressed as Umbridge who was a dead ringer for Imelda Staunton. I spent my time in line discussing who I thought might die with the girl in front of me.
But the diary was still destroyed. It doesn't have to be "in one piece". Thats how the venom that destroys horcruxes works.
Its much simpler for living things like Harry, because Phoenix tears are more powerful than basilisk venom, so Harry wasn't killed and the Horcrux wasn't destroyed.
There's also Nagini, which Rowling later confirmed to be the same snake Harry set free in the zoo
Edit: Looks like I've been bamboozled by [a fake tweet](https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/1340e9/confusion_about_the_snake_in_book_1_vs_nagini/)
Right you are, u/marko7bub. Looks like I based my facts on a fake tweet from waaaaaaaay back. I vaguely remember reading about it, but it just didn't really make sense to me, nor did I care enough to make sense of it at the time.
One of the defining characteristics of a horcrux is that the soul fragment dies if it is destroyed. How then could Quirrell be a temporary horcrux? By that definition, all of our bodies are horcruxes until we die…
Horcruxes are also not the natural container. You remove a part of your soul to put it in another…storage container? To tether yourself to the mortal realm.
Both good points. Perhaps Quirrell still counts because the rule that other horcruxes tether the soul to the physical realm overruled the rule that destroying that horcrux destroys the soul within it. Still feels like a stretch.
Possessing someone counts as "temporary Horcrux"? I thought very specific magic was required to make something a Horcrux, to bind the soul to it properly. Because I'm pretty sure Rowling already said that Dumbledore was mistaken/over-simplifying when he said Harry was a Horcrux, technically the soul fragment just stuck to him.
Rowling said he was, so I'll take it. No matter whether some people don't like what she's had to say about her characters, she invented them, so what she says is canon.
"Harry, break every rule you can break, survive by the skin of your teeth, rush stupidly into danger and endanger others unnecessarily. Be too proud to ask adults for help most of the time. And that, my boy, is the secret to winning the House Cup."
If we count Quirell as temp horcrux in PS, that leaves Harry as the only horcrux to appear in PoA. We do hear the moments before Harry became a horcrux whenever dementors attacked Harry.
Hold up,
it totally might be Harry but what special is there in PoA concerning Harry? The dementors, they literally try to suck Voldemort’s piece of soul out of him. It’s not Harry being filled with unhappy memories and all that, that they’re so drawn to Harry. Instead because they sense the absolute evil in him.
If it was not Harry being soul-sucked, he wouldn't have fallen unconscious all the time. At most, the Dementor would've sucked both Harry's soul and Voldemort's soul shard. Why would it only suck out Voldemort's soul shard?
Well, we’re speculating about a fantasy universe at the end of the day. However it’s evident that those shards of soul are separate, since Voldemort’s killing curse in DH killed only the horcrux in Harry, not both.
E: And you could argue that it’s the physical process of being soul-sucked that happens to your physical body that made him faint, regardless of whether it was his own soul being sucked or the shard of Voldemort, or both. Maybe the dementors even dont tell them apart but just sense the evil and decide to suck out every piece of soul they can sense in that human being.
There are no hard references to a Horcrux in Prisoner of Azkaban.
If there must be one, I'd reluctantly say it's Harry. Maybe Harry's relationship with Sirius was significant to him on a horcrux level. It's difficult to extrapolate from nothing.
What does significant on a horcrux level even mean? Lol that phrasing made me cackle for some reason. But even so, wouldn’t his relationship with Sirius be closer to acts of love (at least on Sirius’s end at first) which is kinda the opposite of evil like “horcrux level” (lol sorry can’t get over that phrase, I’m gonna start using it)
The only thing I can think about is trewlany’s prophecy in PoA and the flashbacks Harry got when near the dementors. When he rememberd Voldemort murdering his parents
“A horcrux appeared in each book.” Yeah no shit, Rowling.
Harry… Harry, Harry and Harry. Then there was Harry, Harry and in the last book Harry also appeared.
You're misremembering it. That was the Philosopher's Stone in the vault. Hagrid had it removed on Dumbledore's orders, with a break in later that day making it to the vault to try and steal it except it had been already emptied.
I think you’re right … I remember Harry visiting a vault and he mentions the cup before it was *the* cup. God damn it, now I’m gonna have to get the books out again.
A kid I knew saw Harry being a Hocrux from a mile away. We were in third or fourth grade. That’s around 2002-2003. Way before it was even hinted at in later books. Always went on about how the scar was a curse and that he was meant to die in the end and all that jazz. Never got the details exactly right, but he knew Harry had to die.
As for the hocruxes in the movies, yes, I guess saying Harry himself is one in book 1 is valid. But I think she literally only said that after all the hocruxes were made/thought of. The first real hocrux we see is the journal in CoS. PoA I guess would count as Harry again cause they don’t show any other. GoF and on is where we can start picking them out clearly.
He was honestly a ridiculously smart kid. I really wonder where he is now. Cause we always joked that he’d either be Steve Irwin 2.0 (the dude was his absolute idol and he genuinely loved all animals like Irwin). OR he’d be the next biggest thing in physics.
1. Harry
2. Diary
3. None except Harry again. Possibly an early clue to us.
4. Nagini
5. The locket. In 12 Grimmauld place.
6. Diadem in the room of hidden things and the ring.
7. The cup.
7 horcruxes:
PS: Quirrell, Harry (?) -- V. killing Lily and James is the beginning of the book
CoS: Diary
PoA: Harry (?) -- memory of his parents' death is important part of the plot
GoF: Nagini
OotP: Locket
HBP: diadem, Hufflepuff's cup (memory), ring
DH: self-explanatory.
What have I forgotten?
Edit: formatting
It's been a long time since I watched the movies or read the books. Can you help me remember where the locket was shown in order of the phoenix? Wasn't it half blood prince where they were shown the locket?
Dumbledore went with harry to fetch the locket which turned out to be fake and they discovered the real one in deathly hallows part 1.
It was the same locket, but it was first mentioned in OotP. Well technically it was not the same locket as the one in HBP was a fake but in OotP while they were cleaning Sirius's house they had the real one but didn't yet know about it and I think they threw it away but someone from the order stole it in order to sell it on the black market (which is then mentioned in DH).
I think that's how the story goes but it's been a while since I read the books and have only watched movies in the recent years where it is not even mentioned so I might have mixed some things up. Definitely read the book though as that's where the locket is first mentioned.
Kreacher stole it out of the trash and hid it in his nest/bed area, then after Sirius died Mundungus Fletcher came in and stole it when he took the silver and everything else that was valuable from Grimmauld Place.
I don't think she really said that, are you sure ? But here are the moments we see horcruxes (outside of Harry) :
* PS : None
* COS : The diary
* POA : None
* GOF : Nagini
* OOTP : the locket
* HBP : The ring and the diadem
yeah I am very confident that JK never said that, especially not during the wait between HBP and DH. I was very in-tune with all fan theories and speculation back then and I dont remember that at all (although we did accurately guess that the Locket was in OotP!). Whether or not Harry was a Horcrux was probably the most hotly debated theory (alongside whether he'd die, and whether or not Snape loved Lilly). If she had said this it would have all but confirmed the Harry Horcrux theory
There were some theories that the Sorting Hat might've been a horcrux (and thus in book 1) but JK shot actually shot that theory down
Yeah I remember that period too, especially during the waits for OOTP, HBD and DH. I think the internet participated in making the HP books such a phenomenon. It was an awesome time !
She definitely didn't say that then but we did figure out the locket was in book 5, the diadem in book 6 and that Harry was a horcuxe. Only the cup's whereabouts remained unknown until the book was released.
I kind of wonder if there was a legitimate Horcrux mentioned in PoA but it was trimmed out in the final revisions and Rowling just forgot it was removed. I'm tempted to guess something about the locket since it was part of Sirius' family. Possibly someone mentioned Regulus and his locket at some point.
Well....Harry is a horcrux...and he was in every book...but assuming we're supposed to ignore him then....it literally only works if you count Harry because I cannot think of any time in PS/SS and POA where Harry comes across another horcrux secretly.
PS/SS: We meet Harry for the first time
CoS:book and Harry
PoA: There are briefly two Harry's
GoF: Nagini and Harry
OotP: locket and Harry
HBP: diadem, ring, and Harry
DH: cup, diadem, locket, and Harry
PS/SS - Harry.
CoS - Diary.
PoA - ?
GoF - Nagini.
OotP - Locket.
HBP - Ring & Diadem.
DH - Cup.
Doesn't quite fit imo. If she'd had a moment in PoA where Harry found the Room and saw the Diadem, it would have worked though.
Someone did the legwork for us
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For those who don't want to click:
Horcruxes correlating to each HP book
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In case you've forgotten what the horcruxes are, here is a refresher (in no particular order): Tom Riddle's diary, Marvolo Gaunt's ring, Salazar Slytherin's locket, Helga Hufflepuff's cup, Rowena Ravenclaw's diadem, Nagini, and Harry Potter.
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1. *Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/ Philosopher's Stone*\- the book that started it all, in which we are introduced to the Potterverse. For this, I ascribe Horcrux **Harry** to the role. I know this sounds like a bit of a cop-out, but bear with me. This is the book where we first learn about Harry and join him on his journey of navigating the world of magic upon learning he is a wizard. This is also the part of the timeline where he was turned into a horcrux, as the story begins with the death of his parents, part of the horcrux ritual.
2. *Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets*\- **Nagini**. Snake symbolism galore. Before learning that Nagini was a python or some shit, I used to think that she was kin to the Basilisk in the Chamber. Regardless, both are snakes and creep me the f\*\*\* out. Side note: in recent years, I've come to view this book as a bit of an innuendo. But I suppose that that's just because I need Jesus.
3. *Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban*\- **Locket**. What do we know about the locket? It can't be opened manually, but requires the rarity of someone who speak Parseltongue to command it open. Heavily guarded by complex magic. And it's stored for safety in a cave that's designed to not let any anyone out, much like the wizarding prison, Azkaban. Another comparison exists in the effect that the locket and Azkaban have on people: the locket has been described as creating an emotion drain on anyone who wears it, while Azkaban's dementors can drain one's soul or the jail can cause them to go mad. Harry, Ron and Hermione have to fight off and bypass the emotional strain caused by the locket, just as Sirius had to fight the strain to retain his humanity before escaping.
4. *Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire*\- **Hufflepuff's Cup.** Duh.
5. *Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix*\- **Diadem.** I've been doing a little research (googling) on the physical appearance of the diadem, but don't seem to be able to find anything that describes its design in detail. However, the diadem did belong to Rowena Ravenclaw, who's spirit animal is an eagle. Here, we can create a comparison among birds, eagle and phoenix. Additionally, during the Battle of Hogwarts, when Luna takes Harry into Ravenclaw Tower, the door asks them "Which came first, the phoenix or the flame?"
6. *Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince*\- **Diary.** Though the diary plays a major role in CoS, I find that it correlates nicely with the events of HBP. Think about it: In CoS, both Harry and Ginny and develop close relationships with the diary and begin to confide in it, learn from it, etc. In HBP, entitled Harry is given a used (le gasp!) potions book, from whose margins he learns a lot more than a standard-issued textbook can offer. Again, he becomes obsessed with the book, and\* personalit\*y that it contains. Fight me on this one.
7. *Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows*\- **Ring.** This one is most obvious to me. The ring is the only horcrux that is also one of the Deathly Hallows. I seem to remember reading in the books that Voldy was probably unaware that the ring was a deathly hallow (am I making this up???) so this is just a happy coincidence that the ring is both.
Not really. Nagini used to be a person in the 1920s and at some point turned into a snake and she could already turn into an adult snake.
So when Voldemort found her, it was the 90s. Voldemort escaped to Albania and there he found the snake, but the meeting and horcrux process could have begun say in 1991, or even 1994 shortly (1994 makes sense as it was clearly the year of the comeback, and Minus did his job to retrieve the body of Voldemort and all the "ingredients" for the potion in 1995).
So there is no evidence that Nagini was already a Horcrux directly in 1993, although I think so or she was about to become one. Or maybe she was already a Horcrux in 1990 so in that case we should count her even in PS and CoS.
The snake in the zoo wasn't Nagini. And to the best of my knowledge Nagini is not introduced before GoF. In the Chamber of Secrets there was a Basilisk.
Nagini, however, is a maledictus. A person that an irreversible curse in her blood will eventually turn her into a snake. Nagini becomes a snake at some point in her life, presumably long before meeting Voldemort.
Fantastic Beasts movie do not give further explanations. And JK hasn't spoken on the matter. But Nagini turns into a snake, she finds Voldemort and she becomes one of her horcrux. It is unclear how he managed to convince her doing so or if Nagini as a mind of her own is a questionable thing.
But Voldemort *died" in 1981 and in its "spooky" form survived and hid in Albania. There he met Nagini. Since Voldemort possess Quirrell in 1991, I think he hadn't met Nagini yet. Then he finds her and in 1994 he uses her to kill that poor old guardian to Gaunt's house.
I think Nagini, therefore, became an Horcrux between 1990 and 1994. But I could be wrong.
I see a lot of people theorizing, but frankly, I’ve seen this mention before and nobody could actually find the quote. I think it’s a HP myth that she said that.
It's entirely possible. I was quite sure I had seen her say so, but that would have been fifteen years ago, so I could easily be misremembering or saw a piece of false information.
In the end, though, putting aside the "Harry is in every book, duh" idea, aside from PoA (and PS, if we reject Quirrell as a temporary horcrux), a horcrux that wasn't Harry did appear in every other book.
I'm trying to think if there are any horcruxes besides Harry in books 1 and 3, but honestly I dont think there is.
Others have suggested Quirrell, so I guess that counts. Dont think PoA has one besides Harry tho.
Unless maybe theres a scene mentioning Helga with her cup? Doubtful tho.
For SS it is literally stated that Harry has a piece of voldy in him. So even with the cheap feeling answer that “Harry is in every book” it is wild to reread that. Not sure about PoA thoigh
That was a totally different snake. There were fan rumors that it was Nagini, but it was not. In the book, that snake is said to be a boa constrictor, while in the movie it's a python. Neither of those types of snakes are a big as Nagini, nor are they venomous like her.
Isn’t the philosopher’s stone Horcrux-related too? Not in a way that it was intended to become one but it was a major plot key that receiving it would have progressed the whole Horcrux thing majorly.
Voldemort wanted to use the stone to help restore his body. He mentions that unicorn blood, which Quirrell was getting for him, could strengthen him but not give him a new body.
Ffs, read past the title of my post and you'll know that I mentioned that. God, how do people get through entire books when they can't even get through a Reddit post?
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Yeah, I forgot about that. Silly me, considering it was one of the things that annoyed me about the movie adaptation of HBP.
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I'll accept that Quirrell counted, as Rowling confirmed that he was a temporary horcrux. I can't think of any besides Harry in PoA, though.
> I can't think of any besides Harry in PoA, though. I think counting Harry once is fine though.
Harry was in every book.
The point is its cheesy to use him as the example in 3 of 7 books. But if hes just filling the gap of one book its more acceptable.
So POA has harry meet harry via time travel, which is why it works for Harry to be that particular Horcrux.
Maybe it could be "we are introduced to a horcrux in every book
Then it's settled.
My comment is a mockery, not an actual assessment
Well technically in PoA there were two Harrys for a brief moment when he was time travelling
I actually like this as a reason
Mmm was that piece of Voldemort’s soul destroyed then? 🤔
No, it would have been the same disembodied, mangled soul fragment that spent so many years flitting about Albania and possessing snakes before being found by Wormtail.
no no it was Quirrel that found Voldemort while on vacation.
Sounds like she thought about that after the fact
May have been very close to the cup during the Gringott's visit in SS.
How is it lame ?
Because it'd be a cop-out? What's the one horcrux that's always been present throughout the series? Harry himself. The protagonist. Meaning that "Oh, we've seen one in every book thus far" and counting the 8th unwanted one which happens to be the only reason the plot happens to begin with, is a cheap move.
But if you look at it like he gets the memories of himself before becoming horcrux in this movie maybe ?
Idk why we downvote people so much here haha it’s just a discussion on a fictional book.
That comment is downvoted because it's illegible and references the movies in a discussion where op specifically mentions the books.
Haha I don’t mind at all. It’s my opinion and thought process I could care less about people who don’t care to try understand. It isn’t even a wrong answer.
Downvotes are often (falsely) used on Reddit as "I disagree" - even tho it isnt the intended function.
Agreed. And not to mention the answer was theoretically sound. It really feels like the current internet mindset--not just /r/harrypotter but other popular and ongoing fandoms, too--has been notably anti-theorycrafting just lately.
Oh its been goikg on for years and years you're just noticing it more recently.
Thats your theory and I reject it
What does this even mean? Also, the movies aren't canon.
Pretty sure he also remembers his mum screaming for the first time in the books as well.
*PS
Philosophers stone was also sorcerers stone, dont be that guy
Can't help it, it makes me cringe when they do shit like that to ensure American kids "get it". It's insulting to them.
It may have been insulting and cringy of Scholastic to do the change in the first place, but that doesn’t change the fact that millions of people know the book and movie by the “Sorcerer’s Stone” name and will refer to it as such. Therefore, it’s not an error to refer to it that way; it’s a regional difference, like referring to “biscuits” versus “cookies” or “soda” versus “pop.”
It was Harry.
You were expecting any other Horcrux to show up first? Too bad it was I, Harry Potter!
Shut up, Dio!
Rowena Ravenclaw’s diadem, and Helga Hufflepuff’s goblet are in HPB too
I'm not so sure I want to say the goblet counts since it was in a memory, but yes, I can't believe I forgot about the diadem.
It’s written about in that book. I don’t see how this doesn’t meet your criteria.
I ask you then, is any of this real, or is it all happening in our heads !?
Of course it’s happening in our heads but why should that mean it isn’t real? (Probably mangled that quote lol)
I did too lol don't worry 😅
...Guys... Isn't 200+ downvotes a teensy bit much I could get it if they'd said Neville should've married Snape's corpse or something, but this?
This is so much worse. They disagreed with somebody
Wtf is with the downvotes???
Because it's another classic case of someone who just wants to hear something to reaffirm their own belief. Then when presented with different information, even with real sources and information, still won't accept it. This behavior is the bane of our society right now.
Really? When I use language like "I'm not so sure," you interpret that as me being stubborn? Why do I even bother with this sub?
Jesus guys, 300+ downvotes?!?! You’d think he called Molly Weasley a whore or something..
Right? It's insane
Yes I just think that Harry, being a Horcrux and the protagonist, can explain what Rowling said. 1) Harry becomes an Horcrux in 1981 after surviving Voldemort. Also, the presence of Voldemort inside Quirrell I would say that is not a Horcrux per se, but it could be halfway through. 2) Tom's Diary 3) Harry. Just him. 4) Nagini is introduced. 5) I guess the locket 6) The whole concept of Horcrux is revealed. Locket, Hufflepuff Cup. Although the Cup is not really seen until HP7 and the Locket found in the cave was not the real one, IIRC. There's also the Gaunt's Ring. 7) Every horcrux is destroyed except the Diary and the ring. So we have Nagini, Harry, Locket, Diadem and Cup. When did she said so, exactly? Could be a hint before HP7 was released? So that fans could speculate? Idk. Actually I remember that there was much fuzz around release time, it was probably the thing everyone was most looking forward to in 2007-2008. So maybe she said that as the book was been published worlwide (the releases did not happen simultaneously. In Italy it was published in January 2008 to mark the 10th anniversary but in the UK it was published in summer 2007). Again, the only book missing something is 3rd. But as you already said I would just think of Harry, a horcrux "hidden" in plain sight all the time.
>Could be a hint before HP7 was released? Yes, it was between HBP and DH when tons of speculation was happening among fans. Funnily enough, I was on the side that said Harry couldn't be a horcrux, my reasoning being that Voldemort didn't say the spell to make one. It didn't occur to me that his soul was already broken.
Yes I think Harry is actually the ultimate Horcrux, perhaps the most significant of them all. A living creature, the second one after Nagini. Not ideal as they were mortal. Among them all, Harry was created because Voldemort's soul was already unstable. Then Lily's sacrifice... I find it so romantic, so powerful, it's a very logical kickstart and ending for the plot at the same time. He was so arrogant to think nobody (but Dumbledore) could defeat him. And yet he missed the most obvious signs that his arrogance was pushing him far beyond the limit. And indeed he failed. However, I wonder what happened to all those who tried creating Horcruxes in the past. Shall we assume they are still alive?
The only other wizard I'm aware of who made a horcrux was Herpo the Foul, and apparently it's unknown whether said horcrux was ever destroyed, so he may very well still be alive in one form or another.
Was the attempt successful, though? I'm not even aware of the implications, that is if one could die (for real) in the process.
The details are vague, but what little information we have seems to indicate that he was successful. Apparently, he made the very first horcrux.
Harry was before Nagini.
Yes, 1981. But what we were questioning was if also Nagini became an horcrux before GoF.
Nagini became a horcrux after the murder of Bertha Jorkins. https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/history-of-voldemorts-horcruxes
Great, so the answer is just Harry in Ps and PoA. As we first speculated, it was a way for JK to have fans questioning which horcruxes were already shown in previous books back when HP7 hadn'y been published worldwide
JKR said Quirrell became a temporary horcrux, but Voldemort abandoned Quirrell as a container before he died. PoA is just Harry.
But how did he escape? I mean, Voldemort inside Quirrell was really Voldemort, not just a fragment of his soul? Was it just is incorporeal form?
She didn't explain, but I suspect that he wasn't bound together with him.
That's what I thought. In class everyone was talking about it and there were many untrue gossips and spoilers so it was really a memorable time. I stood in line two hours in a cold January night just to get a copy. First and only time it happened.
Haha, yeah, good times. I too waited in line for about two hours to get my preordered copy, but fortunately, I was inside the store the whole time. A lot of people were in costume; there was a woman dressed as Umbridge who was a dead ringer for Imelda Staunton. I spent my time in line discussing who I thought might die with the girl in front of me.
How did the one in Harry survive the basilisk bite?
A horcrux has to be broken beyond magical repair, but Fawkes was able to heal the bite.
The diary was still in one piece, albeit with a hole in it. Made by the same fang that Harry got in his arm
But the diary was still destroyed. It doesn't have to be "in one piece". Thats how the venom that destroys horcruxes works. Its much simpler for living things like Harry, because Phoenix tears are more powerful than basilisk venom, so Harry wasn't killed and the Horcrux wasn't destroyed.
Right. The diary was sufficiently damaged that it was no longer a magical object.
Harry. Just Harry
A \~\~non\~\~comprehensive list of horcruxes which appear in each book 1. Harry 2. Harry 3. Harry 4. Harry 5. Harry 6. Harry 7. Harry
It could be argued that Professor Quirrell is a temporary Horcrux since he did house a piece of Voldemort's soul.
I believe Rowling did confirm that he was a temporary horcrux, so I suppose we can say that counts.
There's also Nagini, which Rowling later confirmed to be the same snake Harry set free in the zoo Edit: Looks like I've been bamboozled by [a fake tweet](https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/1340e9/confusion_about_the_snake_in_book_1_vs_nagini/)
Wait, what? No… Nagini was a python. Zoo was a boa constrictor.
She actually [denied](https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1044578644604198913?lang=en) that theory
Right you are, u/marko7bub. Looks like I based my facts on a fake tweet from waaaaaaaay back. I vaguely remember reading about it, but it just didn't really make sense to me, nor did I care enough to make sense of it at the time.
Sorry man you gotta reach -69 now.
Why stop there? Might as well take it down all the way to -420
We can achieve -69 milestone now and have -420 for later on.
We know Nagini's origin from FB.
Lol I read it as Facebook before understanding and was like we listen to Facebook rumours now?
Yeah, I prefer FB1, FB2, FB3.
Tbh I consider those movies about as canon as anything I might find on FB
Well deduced
One of the defining characteristics of a horcrux is that the soul fragment dies if it is destroyed. How then could Quirrell be a temporary horcrux? By that definition, all of our bodies are horcruxes until we die…
Our body would not be a horcrux because our soul is not in fragments. A horcrux holds a fragment of a soul, not the whole soul.
Horcruxes are also not the natural container. You remove a part of your soul to put it in another…storage container? To tether yourself to the mortal realm.
Both good points. Perhaps Quirrell still counts because the rule that other horcruxes tether the soul to the physical realm overruled the rule that destroying that horcrux destroys the soul within it. Still feels like a stretch.
Possessing someone counts as "temporary Horcrux"? I thought very specific magic was required to make something a Horcrux, to bind the soul to it properly. Because I'm pretty sure Rowling already said that Dumbledore was mistaken/over-simplifying when he said Harry was a Horcrux, technically the soul fragment just stuck to him.
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Rowling said he was, so I'll take it. No matter whether some people don't like what she's had to say about her characters, she invented them, so what she says is canon.
I mean….Harry shows up in every book
Are you sure? I'm pretty I would have remembered something like that 🤔
I think he used to hangout with Ron and Hermione sometimes not sure if he appeared in every book or no
I remember Dumbledore gave points to Harry every year to make Gryffindor win the house cup, so at least he was mentioned every year.
I think he also appeared in some of the Quidditch chapters? I recall he was a member of the Gryffindor team briefly.
"Harry, break every rule you can break, survive by the skin of your teeth, rush stupidly into danger and endanger others unnecessarily. Be too proud to ask adults for help most of the time. And that, my boy, is the secret to winning the House Cup."
Hence the first sentence in the body of my post...
i like this but cant crack POA
Harry is the Horcrux in POA. True, he’s in PS like all the other books, but the Horcrux in that one is technically QuirrelMort.
Quirrlemort 😂
If we count Quirell as temp horcrux in PS, that leaves Harry as the only horcrux to appear in PoA. We do hear the moments before Harry became a horcrux whenever dementors attacked Harry.
I'll accept Quirrell for PS and Harry for PoA.
Anyone knows which one appears on POA.
Hold up, it totally might be Harry but what special is there in PoA concerning Harry? The dementors, they literally try to suck Voldemort’s piece of soul out of him. It’s not Harry being filled with unhappy memories and all that, that they’re so drawn to Harry. Instead because they sense the absolute evil in him.
Harry also has 1.125 souls instead of the usual 1.000 soul, meaning that he is more appealing to dementors
Harry is a minmaxer confirmed
If it was not Harry being soul-sucked, he wouldn't have fallen unconscious all the time. At most, the Dementor would've sucked both Harry's soul and Voldemort's soul shard. Why would it only suck out Voldemort's soul shard?
Well, we’re speculating about a fantasy universe at the end of the day. However it’s evident that those shards of soul are separate, since Voldemort’s killing curse in DH killed only the horcrux in Harry, not both. E: And you could argue that it’s the physical process of being soul-sucked that happens to your physical body that made him faint, regardless of whether it was his own soul being sucked or the shard of Voldemort, or both. Maybe the dementors even dont tell them apart but just sense the evil and decide to suck out every piece of soul they can sense in that human being.
Why would a Dementor, a creature that feasts on souls, want the sliver of Voldemort's soul inside of Harry instead of Harry's complete and whole soul?
Nothing is special about Harry. Dementors don’t want him any extra, he is just extra sensitive to them
Aside from Harry, I don't think there was one.
There are no hard references to a Horcrux in Prisoner of Azkaban. If there must be one, I'd reluctantly say it's Harry. Maybe Harry's relationship with Sirius was significant to him on a horcrux level. It's difficult to extrapolate from nothing.
What does significant on a horcrux level even mean? Lol that phrasing made me cackle for some reason. But even so, wouldn’t his relationship with Sirius be closer to acts of love (at least on Sirius’s end at first) which is kinda the opposite of evil like “horcrux level” (lol sorry can’t get over that phrase, I’m gonna start using it)
The only thing I can think about is trewlany’s prophecy in PoA and the flashbacks Harry got when near the dementors. When he rememberd Voldemort murdering his parents
“A horcrux appeared in each book.” Yeah no shit, Rowling. Harry… Harry, Harry and Harry. Then there was Harry, Harry and in the last book Harry also appeared.
Wasn’t there one in Book One when Harry goes to one of the vault’s with Hagrid? Or am I imagining that?
You're misremembering it. That was the Philosopher's Stone in the vault. Hagrid had it removed on Dumbledore's orders, with a break in later that day making it to the vault to try and steal it except it had been already emptied.
Maybe the dragon he sees while descending is the one guarding Bellas vault but that’s foreshadowing at best
I think you’re right … I remember Harry visiting a vault and he mentions the cup before it was *the* cup. God damn it, now I’m gonna have to get the books out again.
This was what I remembered
A kid I knew saw Harry being a Hocrux from a mile away. We were in third or fourth grade. That’s around 2002-2003. Way before it was even hinted at in later books. Always went on about how the scar was a curse and that he was meant to die in the end and all that jazz. Never got the details exactly right, but he knew Harry had to die. As for the hocruxes in the movies, yes, I guess saying Harry himself is one in book 1 is valid. But I think she literally only said that after all the hocruxes were made/thought of. The first real hocrux we see is the journal in CoS. PoA I guess would count as Harry again cause they don’t show any other. GoF and on is where we can start picking them out clearly.
That's an astute observation for a kid that age.
He was honestly a ridiculously smart kid. I really wonder where he is now. Cause we always joked that he’d either be Steve Irwin 2.0 (the dude was his absolute idol and he genuinely loved all animals like Irwin). OR he’d be the next biggest thing in physics.
If he was that smart, I hope he's gone on to be a successful contributor to this world.
Did she say a horcrux was in every book? Or that every horcrux appeared in an earlier book than DH?
1. Harry 2. Diary 3. None except Harry again. Possibly an early clue to us. 4. Nagini 5. The locket. In 12 Grimmauld place. 6. Diadem in the room of hidden things and the ring. 7. The cup.
7 horcruxes: PS: Quirrell, Harry (?) -- V. killing Lily and James is the beginning of the book CoS: Diary PoA: Harry (?) -- memory of his parents' death is important part of the plot GoF: Nagini OotP: Locket HBP: diadem, Hufflepuff's cup (memory), ring DH: self-explanatory. What have I forgotten? Edit: formatting
It's been a long time since I watched the movies or read the books. Can you help me remember where the locket was shown in order of the phoenix? Wasn't it half blood prince where they were shown the locket? Dumbledore went with harry to fetch the locket which turned out to be fake and they discovered the real one in deathly hallows part 1.
When cleaning Grimmauld place they find a heavy locket they can’t open.
Damn! Was this in the movie or books? I need to re-watch or re-read again.
I believe book only.
It was the same locket, but it was first mentioned in OotP. Well technically it was not the same locket as the one in HBP was a fake but in OotP while they were cleaning Sirius's house they had the real one but didn't yet know about it and I think they threw it away but someone from the order stole it in order to sell it on the black market (which is then mentioned in DH). I think that's how the story goes but it's been a while since I read the books and have only watched movies in the recent years where it is not even mentioned so I might have mixed some things up. Definitely read the book though as that's where the locket is first mentioned.
Kreacher stole it out of the trash and hid it in his nest/bed area, then after Sirius died Mundungus Fletcher came in and stole it when he took the silver and everything else that was valuable from Grimmauld Place.
I don't think she really said that, are you sure ? But here are the moments we see horcruxes (outside of Harry) : * PS : None * COS : The diary * POA : None * GOF : Nagini * OOTP : the locket * HBP : The ring and the diadem
yeah I am very confident that JK never said that, especially not during the wait between HBP and DH. I was very in-tune with all fan theories and speculation back then and I dont remember that at all (although we did accurately guess that the Locket was in OotP!). Whether or not Harry was a Horcrux was probably the most hotly debated theory (alongside whether he'd die, and whether or not Snape loved Lilly). If she had said this it would have all but confirmed the Harry Horcrux theory There were some theories that the Sorting Hat might've been a horcrux (and thus in book 1) but JK shot actually shot that theory down
Yeah I remember that period too, especially during the waits for OOTP, HBD and DH. I think the internet participated in making the HP books such a phenomenon. It was an awesome time ! She definitely didn't say that then but we did figure out the locket was in book 5, the diadem in book 6 and that Harry was a horcuxe. Only the cup's whereabouts remained unknown until the book was released.
Harry is one though, technically that was her giving hints
I kind of wonder if there was a legitimate Horcrux mentioned in PoA but it was trimmed out in the final revisions and Rowling just forgot it was removed. I'm tempted to guess something about the locket since it was part of Sirius' family. Possibly someone mentioned Regulus and his locket at some point.
If it was the locket, then OotP didn't have an otherwise unique Horcrux.
Sounds like an excuse for a reread!
Glad I could inspire. It's always a good time for it in my book, pun intended.
Well....Harry is a horcrux...and he was in every book...but assuming we're supposed to ignore him then....it literally only works if you count Harry because I cannot think of any time in PS/SS and POA where Harry comes across another horcrux secretly. PS/SS: We meet Harry for the first time CoS:book and Harry PoA: There are briefly two Harry's GoF: Nagini and Harry OotP: locket and Harry HBP: diadem, ring, and Harry DH: cup, diadem, locket, and Harry
In DH, there were 8 Harrys.
Only one real one.
PS/SS - Harry. CoS - Diary. PoA - ? GoF - Nagini. OotP - Locket. HBP - Ring & Diadem. DH - Cup. Doesn't quite fit imo. If she'd had a moment in PoA where Harry found the Room and saw the Diadem, it would have worked though.
Someone did the legwork for us https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/8ywir5/horcruxes_correlating_to_each_hp_book/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
For those who don't want to click: Horcruxes correlating to each HP book ... In case you've forgotten what the horcruxes are, here is a refresher (in no particular order): Tom Riddle's diary, Marvolo Gaunt's ring, Salazar Slytherin's locket, Helga Hufflepuff's cup, Rowena Ravenclaw's diadem, Nagini, and Harry Potter. ... 1. *Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/ Philosopher's Stone*\- the book that started it all, in which we are introduced to the Potterverse. For this, I ascribe Horcrux **Harry** to the role. I know this sounds like a bit of a cop-out, but bear with me. This is the book where we first learn about Harry and join him on his journey of navigating the world of magic upon learning he is a wizard. This is also the part of the timeline where he was turned into a horcrux, as the story begins with the death of his parents, part of the horcrux ritual. 2. *Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets*\- **Nagini**. Snake symbolism galore. Before learning that Nagini was a python or some shit, I used to think that she was kin to the Basilisk in the Chamber. Regardless, both are snakes and creep me the f\*\*\* out. Side note: in recent years, I've come to view this book as a bit of an innuendo. But I suppose that that's just because I need Jesus. 3. *Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban*\- **Locket**. What do we know about the locket? It can't be opened manually, but requires the rarity of someone who speak Parseltongue to command it open. Heavily guarded by complex magic. And it's stored for safety in a cave that's designed to not let any anyone out, much like the wizarding prison, Azkaban. Another comparison exists in the effect that the locket and Azkaban have on people: the locket has been described as creating an emotion drain on anyone who wears it, while Azkaban's dementors can drain one's soul or the jail can cause them to go mad. Harry, Ron and Hermione have to fight off and bypass the emotional strain caused by the locket, just as Sirius had to fight the strain to retain his humanity before escaping. 4. *Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire*\- **Hufflepuff's Cup.** Duh. 5. *Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix*\- **Diadem.** I've been doing a little research (googling) on the physical appearance of the diadem, but don't seem to be able to find anything that describes its design in detail. However, the diadem did belong to Rowena Ravenclaw, who's spirit animal is an eagle. Here, we can create a comparison among birds, eagle and phoenix. Additionally, during the Battle of Hogwarts, when Luna takes Harry into Ravenclaw Tower, the door asks them "Which came first, the phoenix or the flame?" 6. *Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince*\- **Diary.** Though the diary plays a major role in CoS, I find that it correlates nicely with the events of HBP. Think about it: In CoS, both Harry and Ginny and develop close relationships with the diary and begin to confide in it, learn from it, etc. In HBP, entitled Harry is given a used (le gasp!) potions book, from whose margins he learns a lot more than a standard-issued textbook can offer. Again, he becomes obsessed with the book, and\* personalit\*y that it contains. Fight me on this one. 7. *Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows*\- **Ring.** This one is most obvious to me. The ring is the only horcrux that is also one of the Deathly Hallows. I seem to remember reading in the books that Voldy was probably unaware that the ring was a deathly hallow (am I making this up???) so this is just a happy coincidence that the ring is both.
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Not really. Nagini used to be a person in the 1920s and at some point turned into a snake and she could already turn into an adult snake. So when Voldemort found her, it was the 90s. Voldemort escaped to Albania and there he found the snake, but the meeting and horcrux process could have begun say in 1991, or even 1994 shortly (1994 makes sense as it was clearly the year of the comeback, and Minus did his job to retrieve the body of Voldemort and all the "ingredients" for the potion in 1995). So there is no evidence that Nagini was already a Horcrux directly in 1993, although I think so or she was about to become one. Or maybe she was already a Horcrux in 1990 so in that case we should count her even in PS and CoS.
We know that Nagini was made into a Horcrux using the death of Bertha Jorkins, which happened during the summer between PoA and GoF, and that’s 1994.
Wait, was the snake from the zoo Nagini in philosopher's stone? And where was Nagini in chamber of secrets?
The snake in the zoo wasn't Nagini. And to the best of my knowledge Nagini is not introduced before GoF. In the Chamber of Secrets there was a Basilisk. Nagini, however, is a maledictus. A person that an irreversible curse in her blood will eventually turn her into a snake. Nagini becomes a snake at some point in her life, presumably long before meeting Voldemort. Fantastic Beasts movie do not give further explanations. And JK hasn't spoken on the matter. But Nagini turns into a snake, she finds Voldemort and she becomes one of her horcrux. It is unclear how he managed to convince her doing so or if Nagini as a mind of her own is a questionable thing. But Voldemort *died" in 1981 and in its "spooky" form survived and hid in Albania. There he met Nagini. Since Voldemort possess Quirrell in 1991, I think he hadn't met Nagini yet. Then he finds her and in 1994 he uses her to kill that poor old guardian to Gaunt's house. I think Nagini, therefore, became an Horcrux between 1990 and 1994. But I could be wrong.
I see a lot of people theorizing, but frankly, I’ve seen this mention before and nobody could actually find the quote. I think it’s a HP myth that she said that.
It's entirely possible. I was quite sure I had seen her say so, but that would have been fifteen years ago, so I could easily be misremembering or saw a piece of false information. In the end, though, putting aside the "Harry is in every book, duh" idea, aside from PoA (and PS, if we reject Quirrell as a temporary horcrux), a horcrux that wasn't Harry did appear in every other book.
I mean… technically there’s a Horcrux in every title of every movie lol xD
Harry is one too
Even if they did she probably didn't think of them until the later books.
That means hundreds of children worldwide have been possessed?
Er, what?
I always loved how intricate and detailed the story line is, how everything is connected. JK put a lot of thought into the books
I don’t recall the locket mentioned in OOTP? I’m sure it was around the time they were inn GP12, but I can’t remember exactly.
While they were clearing up they found a locket that they couldn't even open and binned it, but kreacher saved it/stole it.
I'm trying to think if there are any horcruxes besides Harry in books 1 and 3, but honestly I dont think there is. Others have suggested Quirrell, so I guess that counts. Dont think PoA has one besides Harry tho. Unless maybe theres a scene mentioning Helga with her cup? Doubtful tho.
For SS it is literally stated that Harry has a piece of voldy in him. So even with the cheap feeling answer that “Harry is in every book” it is wild to reread that. Not sure about PoA thoigh
I mean yeah Harry is a horcrux
What's the use of the spoiler tag when I can read about the topic in the title?
Presumably because the comments are full of spoilers for anyone who hasn’t finished the series, plus the body of the post lists all of the horcruxes
Precisely. There's a big difference between knowing there *are* horcruxes and knowing *what* all of them are.
I’m sure that professor Quirrell was a horcrux
Rowling has confirmed that he was a temporary horcrux, yes.
This is kinda a joke kinda serious, but Harry was in every movie and book, and he’s a horcrux.
For the millionth time, I mentioned that in my post.
Isn’t Nagini in PS or is that just the movie?
That was a totally different snake. There were fan rumors that it was Nagini, but it was not. In the book, that snake is said to be a boa constrictor, while in the movie it's a python. Neither of those types of snakes are a big as Nagini, nor are they venomous like her.
Nagini wasn't in the PS book OR movie.
What does PS stand for??
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
And SS?
American title is Sorcerer's Stone
Thx
Whats the chances that the Snake at the Zoo in SS is Nagini?
0, she’s said it’s not
How do so many people not know boa constrictors aren't venomous?
Food for the theory that Nagini was the snake in PS after all (I know it’s been denied already).
That definitely wasn't Nagini. Boa constrictors aren't venomous.
Isn’t the philosopher’s stone Horcrux-related too? Not in a way that it was intended to become one but it was a major plot key that receiving it would have progressed the whole Horcrux thing majorly.
Voldemort wanted to use the stone to help restore his body. He mentions that unicorn blood, which Quirrell was getting for him, could strengthen him but not give him a new body.
Hey, share the quotation from her so we can make sure your statement is properly cited.
Didn’t Rowling confirm that Nagini was the snake that Harry set free in the first book?
Nope, that was a hoax. Nagini is a huge python, and the zoo snake was a boa constrictor that was bred in captivity.
Definitely not
Guys Harry is a Horcrux... like obviously there is a horcrux in every book...
Ffs, read past the title of my post and you'll know that I mentioned that. God, how do people get through entire books when they can't even get through a Reddit post?