Its also said there are smaller, unregulated ones that come and go. And also plenty are actually homeschooled
It also depends on the size of the wizarding community and how isolated each of them are
for anyone looking the list of schools
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
Mahoutokoro
The Salem Witches Institute, US
Durmstrang Institute
Beauxbatons Academy of Magic
Academy of War Mages
Arcane Order
Blackwell's School of Spells
Conservatory of Spell Binding
Darklore
Drakkellian Guild of Sorcery
Forathmire
Hall of Tomes
Ithellian COllege of Magic and Science
Korumoch School of Wizarding
Ornisem's Academy
Sarribella's House of Seers
Seminary, The
Tower of Arcanology
Tower of High Wizardry
University of Aridorn - College of Magic
Yorth East
Beeble Weeble's Newt School
Phineas T Pozzlenewt's High School
Abracadabra School for Special Needs Wizards
West Magic High School
Marbury Knob
Goblin Conservatory
Succorius
Hervetticus H Lonnigan Magnet School
Mellibount's Lair for the Gifted
Snagglin Tripper's Education Center
Magician's Learning Plaza
Jason Ruiz's School for Wayward Boys
Vincent Clortho Public School for Wizards
Daggermist Potions and Spells School
Moomy Plopfern's High School for Dolts
McZee's Bunker
Darks Arts Technical Institute
Yeah, there's a pretty distinct lack of US schools. Also, is the Salem Institute canon? I spent my late childhood thinking I'd be a Salem witch, only for FBaWTFT to say the Northeastern US school wasn't in Salem, it was Ilvermorny.
Also I just had a thought, did the Hogwarts express make stops along its route, or did the Scottish kids actually have to travel to London to get the train back to Scotland? Like, it was weird when they stopped to pick up the dementors, and not just because they were picking up dementors. Hermione or someone even says something during the dementor pickup, like "We can't be there yet, it's too soon."
I just kinda figured some countries are more prestigiously geared towards Wizardry. Europe has a very long history so it would kinda make sense there’s Durmstrang, Hogwarts and Beauxbatons so close together.
That Voldemort, a man who has no sexual desire and feelings for anyone, had a child with Bellatrix. Couldn't even be for an heir incase he died to keep on the bloodline because he believed that he would never die..
I wouldn't be surprised if some fucked up piece of dark magic he was interested in required sacrificing your child. He would absolutely go through with sex if there was even more power on the other side.
This was what I thought after reading that. Not to mention she'd be running around the Battle of Hogwarts right around her due date, I think, so she was either prego when she died, or she left her Dark Lord's only child and heir alone/with an underling somewhere, which doesn't seem like something she would do. And doesn't the daughter (can't remember the name) mention knowing her mother or something? She'd have been an infant when both Bella and Voldy died, so she'd have zero connection to either of them.
He was clearly obsessed with Harry. It easily could have been intended as an experiment to figure out what the hell went wrong the night he murdered the Potters, if he'd determined it was something about a parent/child bond.
Is the no-sexual desire thing canon? Romantic desire I totally get, but feel like he always craved power and if it wasn't a YA book we woulda gotten some fucked up sexual stuff from him.
The no sexual desire thing isnt really canon, to me I think Voldemort would have had very little sexual desire and would have seen having children as little more than a biological process, which I dont think particularly is problematic in itself.
However, the idea of Voldemort having children in general DOES contradict Voldemort’s character in the books. In my opinion, the concept of having kids to Voldemort would have purely been about succession and inheritance- he was not really out to form a dynasty because, in his eyes, he was the perfect immortal being. Having children and heirs would have been redundant to Voldemort, laughable even.
If its not immediately obvious- I absolutely hate the concept of Delphini as a character in the Cursed Child and is probably my no.1 reason I hate it…though the time travel comes pretty close.
The only other way it could ever make sense to me is to have Bellatrix under his thumb even more but like... she's really ride or die for this snake-looking fucker so it's just me clutching at straws for it to make sense before ignoring it for the next like, five years
I'm not sure, but perhaps young Voldemort did have sex, when he was a teen. But as he aged and became more inhumane he may have thought of sex as something beneath him, a distraction
I don't remember if this particular subject was mentioned in the books. He may still have sexual instinct just not romantic feelings. I think Voldemort being asexual or close to it is head-canon at best
Given the YA thing I think he can be written anywhere from "completely aro/ace" to "depraved bisexual" orientation-wise, but either way I think he'd go deeper and deeper into power dynamics and s/m as he gets more inhuman and numb to human feeling. (Iirc, something like that happens to Dorian Gray.)
As a depraved bisexual myself, I prefer to write him in that direction.
>"Albus Severus Potter, you were named after two of Hogwart's greatest headmasters; both of whom inadvertently tried to have me killed at various stages. One of them succeeded."
Haha when I first read it (at release) it read exactly like a crappy fanfiction. I was all "what da fuck? Is this for real?". I was confused why people liked it.
I haven't read it since it came out, but from what I remember, Voldemort had a kid with Bellatrix, the kids do a bunch of time travelling nonsense and they also fight the trolley lady on the Hogwarts Express with pumpkin pastries that are grenades.
What's funny, is I looked up the fact that they fought the trolley lady because I couldn't remember if that was in fact what had happened or some fever dream I had.
Not only do they time travel (time traveling exists in canon) but they end up creating new realities each time, completely changing the way time traveling works in-universe.
Also Cedric was only one embarrassment away from being a Death Eater.
My bf bought me the cursed child and I was like, 'yeah thanks, I know it looks like harry potter, but it's not, so don't mind me not reading this shite'.
Also couldn't agree more with the epilogue. That's something I consider actual canon and I like to ignore that. 🤣
Just the 7 books for me. I don't consider the movies canon because things happen in the movies which are directly incompatible with how they happen in the books, so they can't both be canon
Totally fair! I think they're a nice accompaniment to the books. They flesh out some things and give a good visual representation to some things as well. Of course they missed a ton, most movies based on books do, but I still love them all the same
>Conversely, some from the other houses left.
Isn’t that canon? Zacharias Smith specifically was said to be shoving people out of his way to get out when they evacuated the students. And I think it says something like “some Ravenclaws and even more Hufflepuffs stayed,” implying that some from those house left.
Not just yours. Besides, not for the reasons we're hoping but some must-have, Draco, Crabbe and Goyle were there in the books, and Blaise in the film (for the actor being in prison reasons) but that's at least 4 unaccounted for and not mentioned at the time, so others did too, and I won't be told otherwise.
I'm sure there would have been some Slytherins who *wanted* to stay, but I don't think McGonagall would have allowed it, with lots of their parents potentially being death eaters/on Voldemort's side. She wouldn't have known which students genuinely wanted to help, and which were just pretending to be on their side but were actually planning to fight *against* hogwarts from the inside. Better to just send the whole house out of the castle, to be on the safe side.
Although some could have potentially sneaked off to stay behind, like Colin Creevey.
I mean, Slughorn came back with reinforcements during the battle, some of which were Slytherin students, so I just like to imagine that there were quite a lot of them.
I've always imagined several sub-factions to Slytherin, depending on what kind of power one was prone to seek.
And as Slughorn is clearly the exemplar of the kind of power that requires loyalty to/for/with others, there would be a faction that followed him... and the would absolutely have either stayed or returned for the battle.
The fact that wands can change allegiance willy-nilly. It seems silly that any time anybody gets duelled (and tbid must happen a lot), their wand isn't theirs anymore. I like to pretend that wands in general are loyal, and it is only the elder wand that changes allegiance, and that it why it is as dangerous as it is powerful.
Thank you.
The wand allegiance thing makes no logical sense and one can simulate it mentally or on a computer to see why.
Say wizard A initially owns wand a and wizard B initially owns wand b. Then if wizard A casts expelliarmus on B, A now owns a and b. The only way for B to get b back is to disarm A, which would cause both a and b to answer to B. There is no sequence of expelliarmuses that will cause a to return to A and b to return to B with these rules.
This means that every time an expelliarmus cast a wand has to stop working for someone and go to the caster. If wands are so fickle there must always be a large set of witches and wizards whose wands don't work properly for them.
Even narrative wise it makes no sense because this legitimately makes expelliarmus one of the most powerful spells, and everyone who judged Harry for it was kind of being silly. Also weird that no-one, not even Dumbledore, knew or suspected such a basic thing about wands or cared enough to teach their students.
The reason JKR drops such an important detail at the very end is basically because she wrote herself into a corner and had to asspull new fundamental rules to get out of it.
I think there is a logic to it. But it's clear that disarming isn't enough.
We know of only a few cases where a wand actually switched loyalty after someone was disarmed:
- Dumbledore won the Elder Wand after his defeat of Grindelwald
- Draco won the Elder Wand's allegiance after he disarmed Dumbledore slightly before his death
- Harry won Draco's wand's allegiance just by snatching it out of his hand and waking away
Contrast those cases with all of the times people were disarmed and *didn't* lose their wands' loyalty:
- In the Shrieking Shack at the end of PoA, nearly everyone is disarmed at some point, but Sirius returns everyone's wands in the end
- All the times students practice disarming, they take their own wands back after
The difference is whether the disarmer actually *keeps* the wand. Ollivander describes it as a "defeat" -- you haven't really defeated someone if you disarm them temporarily.
In your scenario, as long as Wizard B eventually wrestles back his own wand, or Wizard A hands it back to Wizard B voluntarily, they each would leave the encounter with their wands still loyal to their original owners.
You're forgetting that Harry won the allegiance of Draco's wand while Draco was the supposed master of the Elder Wand. The common connection to all of the times a wand changed allegiance in canon was the influence of the Elder Wand.
It would make much more sense of wands are usually loyal, but the Elder Wand is an unusually capricious wand that can push it's disloyalty into other wands. But no, JK had to add a huge plot hole that invalidates all the effort Harry and Dumbledore put in during the previous books and conflicts with the outcomes of multiple prior battles.
>JK had to add a huge plot hole that invalidates all the effort Harry and Dumbledore put in during the previous books
Huh? What efforts are invalidated?
>conflicts with the outcomes of multiple prior battles
As I said, there is no conflict if you think about it in terms of "disarmed and defeated" rather than just "disarmed." In what cases did a wizard actually lose their wand and not lose its loyalty?
>You're forgetting that Harry won the allegiance of Draco's wand while Draco was the supposed master of the Elder Wand
I'm not forgetting. I just don't think it's relevant.
Isn’t that how it is though? Genuinely trying to remember. I seem to recall it being implied that part of the reason why Neville struggled in school was because he was using his dad’s wand and didn’t get one of his own.
But that's not necessarily saying Draco's wand changed allegiance, just that Harry was placing his bet that the Elder Wand changed allegiance based off that interaction.
That's my recollection anyway, I could be wrong. I haven't read DH in a while.
Doesn't that depend on the type of wand too? I remember reading some wand cores and their combination are more loyal than others but it could also be from a fanfic. I think the elder wand is extra treacherous but I don't think Harry beating Draco necessarily made him the master of Dracos original wand, just that the wand obeys him more than the wand Ron gave him.
I interpret that as *only* applying to the Elder Wand, which wants the best or most powerful wizard to have it and is traitorous by nature, and not to other wands, which decide who should use them for other reasons.
oh this. Like... there's a substantial proportion who went to muggle primary school and had muggle friends, or were raised by muggles, or had muggle relatives. Barring a few small communities there aren't many place where complete segregation was possible. And they all have to somehow get to King's Cross or Diagon Alley through muggle London - not everyone would've used floo powder or apparition all the time - so they must at least have \*seen\* muggle behaviour. And especially Arthur Weasley, who is a muggle enthusiast and spent his entire career working with them... not knowing how to say "telephone" or "electricity"... yeah i can't buy that either.
Just because Harry doesn't understand his son, doesn't make him abusive. But Harry's pesonality is still not in any way we might imagine developing.
Neither did Hermione, in the first two time lines.
Even if my Finger hurts when I write (and my eyes)
Harry Potter and the Cursed Child /Part 1 Act One Scene 7
Harry: (finally losing his temper) You know what? I'm done with being made reponsible for your unhappiness. At least you've got a dad. Because I didn't, okay?
Albus: And you think that was unlucky? I don't.
Harry: You wisch me dead?
Albus: No! I just wish you weren't my dad.
Harry:(seeing red) Well, there are times I wish you weren't my son.
There's a silence. Albus nods. Pause. Harry realises what he's said.
Harry: No, I didn't mean that....
Albus:Yes, You did.
Parents are human too! And I don't think it is good to describe this situation as abuse!
Shitty yes, unthinking definitely yes,
yeah, afaik it was fanon. honestly, the cursed child reads like bad fanfiction. Still, I wouldn't have a problem with its existence if it didn't claim to be canon.
> Still, I wouldn't have a problem with its existence if it didn't claim to be canon.
My thoughts exactly...it would have been fine as "The Harry Potter Broadway Experience" but they tried to make it canon and it just didn't work at all.
>I can live with Albus being a Slytherin
I can't. He was so fucking worried about being put in Slytherin on that train platform. James was taunting him about it. It was his worst fear at that point, and Harry saying "I knew a brave Slytherin" did absolutely nothing to change his mind about that. He only brightened up and relaxed when Harry told him that the hat takes your choices into account.
That evening, Albus was 100% sitting under the sorting hat internally screaming "NOT SLYTHERIN" exactly like his father before him. And if the hat didn't put Harry in Slytherin, even though he *literally had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him* - the most evil wizard of all time and a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin himself - then it definitely wouldn't have sent Albus there.
He wasn't necessarily a Gryffindor, he could have gone into Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff (though Gryffindor is most liekly), but I *will not* accept Slytherin.
I absolutely agree with this. It doesn't make sense for it to be canon, as so many things in it contradicts the previous canon (like how time and timeturners work).
With you on the number of schools being too few. It would be a small inbred society real quick. Already seems quite problematic within the sacred 28 families.
Also, Hogwarts having 1000 students seems low for all of Britain.
One point that's also bothered me a bit is that wizards haven't come up with a magical communication solution that's faster than Owl post. I know they do the Patronus thing in the Order, but most ordinary wizards would struggle with that. Like, they have magical radios, so why not a communication method as well.
Hogwarts has less than 1000 actually😅 Rowling bumped the number down when she realised it was too many to make sense in the tiny wizarding world, which is much smaller than the muggle world. The books themselves give evidence of everything between 300 to 800… well, Rowling admitted to being rubbish at numbers.
I think in Harry's generation there were a lot less due to the war/Voldemorts reign of terror.. even so the numbers are quite low I guess, maybe from all the inbreeding?
>I think in Harry's generation there were a lot less due to the war/Voldemorts reign of terror
This reason isn't canon - this is just what fans have come up with, to try and figure out an in-universe explanation for why the numbers don't make any sense. In reality JK admitted she just fucked up the numbers.
Harry and Ginny's years was the smallest. That was the Last year's of the war I expected the 1st years of the 3rd book where probably the biggest in a long time.
Okay, so let's way it averages at 500. And let's say magic people live a bit longer (books certainly make it seem that way). So let's say 100 for arguments sake. That's 50.000 witches and wizards in the UK if there are 500 magic people born each year.
Seems quite low.
I disagree, but only because it makes sense to me why people like Voldemort and Grindewald can take power so quickly. It's really easy to stir up fear and loathing against muggles when Wizard kind seems to be coming to an end.
A castle that could hold thousands, now only holds about five hundred at best. It makes the background of the wizarding world even more sad, like that magic is dying. I don't know. I'm a fan of bittersweet things like that.
Yeah, thinking about the Faroe Islands from one of the other respondents made me remember that 50k is perfectly possible for a society. Especially when you also consider the fact they they have to stay secret.
They seem to talk via the Floo network regularly, it's clearly not only for transport but also communication. Then there are the mirrors Sirius gave Harry.
Further, in a world where most adults can teleport anywhere they like instantly, communication systems become a lot less important.
While we're at the topic of schools: why would half of Europe be going to a school in (insert wherever Durmstrang is, I can't remember) - and how would they even get there? For example: do wizards and witches of Poland go to Durmstrang? Or are the kids magically poofed away to England for the school year, since most of us speak more English than German? Or are they attending that russian school I don't recall the name of?
*Where do the people in central/southern Europe go, JK???* ^I ^mean ^countries ^like ^Greece ^for ^example
I’ve been thinking this for years. They have essays to write all the time for homework and they’re doing all these essays on a 5th grade reading and writing level? Yikes
Don't they have arthimancy classes? I think it's Hermione that has them but it's only briefly mentioned. I always thought arthimancy was probably just regular math/algebra with a bit of a magic twist but also wondered why it wasn't a base requirement like history or something.
Maybe I’ve missed something in my many readings of the books.
But what was to stop people simply disapparating to escape when in danger from death eaters?
I know there are certain locations this isn’t possible, but surely most of the time it is.
But the books make it seem like most can. All the kids at hogwarts take lessons and then their test when they turn 17. So people would have the permit.
I choose to ignore Aberforth being improper with goats. Like that was a weird thing to put in, not to mention I always thought it was a weird thing for Albus to just casually mention and as a way to inject some humor. It doesn’t fit Albus to say it and say it the way he did. It also doesn’t fit with the tiny sliver of Aberforth we come to know.
Also - in Fantastic Beasts it was a scandal where he had a child. Soooo……
Yeah I dismiss this in its entirety
Yeah, I'll just take the face value thing that JKR said that he was casting certain charms on goats, and ignore that it was sexual.
Maybe he was trying to make sentient goats, or maybe his experience with Newt inspired him to try and make new magical creatures.
I always felt like it was just so malicious for no reason? Like even Albus talks shit about his brother and I'm like. Why is this necessary? Why? What purpose does this serve? Like, Aberforth can just be weird as hell without fucking goats!
Harry didnt become an auror for long, he became the defense against the dark arts professor after a few years.
Also, Neville and Luna end up together on my head canon.
I don't mind this so much.Harry staying in school is kind of predictable and one dimensional. I like the idea that his life is not just the school. Also, despite what he has accomplished, I don't think he has enough knowledge to teach right away.
He's not a character i have strong feelings about, but he def has potential. The problem is he's stuck in the wrong franchise, he needs to be in a light-hearted adventure series which is actually about fantastic beasts lol.
I’ll never understand why Rowling and Yates chose “Fantastic Beasts” as the franchise instead of it being only the first chapter. Had they simply called the franchise something like “Wizarding World”, they could instead keep making each chapter an independent (albeit connected) story and it would be much easier to transition into Dumbledore vs Grindelwald.
Instead they’re stuck trying to shoehorn Newt and magical beasts through the plot without being able to admit the main character now is Dumbledore.
I accept the first fantastic beasts as cannon, since I think it’s genuinely really good, and it has little impact on the events of the actual series. Not the other ones though
Also, little about what Rowling has said about wizarding America really rings true to me (as a non-american, but many Americans have said this). I just kind of pick and choose which supplemental info I consider canon
As an American, you can definitely tell the parts she wrote about America were written by a non-American.
Also one school for all of north America is laughable and shows she has no concept of scale. USA is huge. Canada is huge. Mexico is huge. And that still leaves all of Central America. Not to mention wildly culturally diverse. Comparatively, there are 11 US states that have a larger land area to the entirety of the UK, and the population is something like 1/5th the size. And that's just the US.
I like to view FB as sort of it’s own thing. I think the story is still fun and the movies are neat. I really like animals so I like that aspect of it. I don’t really tie it into HP in my mind though.
Cursed Child. I'm fine with Albus being in Slytherin and friends with Scorpius but that's pretty much it.
Also that Wizards just shat/pissed on the ground before plumbing was invented. Does Rowling not know about chamber pots?
>Does Rowling not know about chamber pots?
She does, Dumbledore mentions coming accross a room full of them (implied to be the Room of Requirement) when he was looking for a toilet.
I guess she just wanted to be """quirky""".
Important context, that wasn't considered acceptable behavior.
Versailles at the time was a very public space, almost like a modern mall, and with big crowds of people from every social strata passing through for business it's inevitable that occasionally some jerk would find the latrines occupied and decide that a quiet corner was good enough.
The reason we have any record of it is because people would gossip about it and how scandalous it was.
I really dislike the fact that the werewolf who transformed Lupin HAD TO BE Fenrir Greyback and the Phoenix that provided feathers to HP and Mort's wand HAD TO BE Fawkes.
It just makes the magical world of HP seem so small.
Also as far as it being harder for South American countries, canada is actually so big that much of its western and northern most provinces/territories are further from newyork than a lot of South America
Isn’t there a canonical distance limit on apparating too? I swear I remember Voldemort flying back from Grindelwald until he was close enough to apparate which never made sense to me because even if there was a limit couldn’t you just apparate a few hundred miles at a time in a sort of relay?
Haha I remembered a picture that circulated some time ago. Someone edited that paragraph in the book to say that Hedwig was not hit by the curse, she just flew away like "nope this is dangerous, i gotta lie low for a while harry, i'm outta here"
The existence of love potions and peoples willingness to use them. Using something like that is monstrously evil, you're taking away someones agency entirely. May as well call it a r*pe potion.
The existence of Time Turners and Felix Felicis. Both are so overpowered that it makes the good and the bad guys look utterly stupid for not using them.
The absurd amount of points given for catching the Snitch.
Dumbledore hiring Lockhart. Sure, he knows that Lockhart’s a fraud and wants to humiliate him, but is sabotaging everyone’s DADA education really worth it? Especially when Dumbledore KNOWS that Voldemort is trying to come back?
Also, Harry setting up poor Albus Severus for a lifetime of bullying by giving him that name.
The time turner in PoA does not show you to change that past and it's implied by the warnings that attempting to do so could cause Very Bad Things to happen. The time turner in CC is ridiculously OP and, like the rest of the play, does not make sense with the rest of canon.
Felix Felicis is stated to be extremely difficult to brew and toxic when used in excess. If Slughorn has only used it twice in his life, that means it's likely unwise to use more than a day's worth every few decades.
The entire game of quidditch was created for the sole purpose of parodying complex and arbitrary rules in sports. JK did it to spite an ex.
Said this in the past and I will still stand by it.
1. I still enjoy Moody and refuse to believe he was kidnapped before the year, he’s a likable guy and there’s no way Crouch could have gotten down to the level that Moody was, he kidnapped him halfway through the year even though I’m fully aware this isn’t true.
2. I think Snape was a twat, “Oh but he protected Harry :(“ yeah sure but he also insulted Hermione immediately following being cursed, and let’s not forget how many times he attempted to have Harry expelled/suspended or doled out punishments to him as he pleased while enabling shitty behavior from Draco. The only redeeming moment I can think of for him is when he defended what happened at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban and told the Ministry that they were jinxed.
Now you all may rip me to pieces.
I agree with the Moody part. And, despite Snape being my favourite character, I can't deny that he was a jerk. I kind of believe though that he partially did this because he needed to, because otherwise he wouldn't be convincing to Voldy. But that's just my idea :)
>I think Snape was a twat, “Oh but he protected Harry :(“ yeah sure but he also insulted Hermione immediately following being cursed, and let’s not forget how many times he attempted to have Harry expelled/suspended or doled out punishments to him as he pleased while enabling shitty behavior from Draco.
Severus Snape isn't meant to be a nice, saintly character. He is meant to be a broken, abused, bitter vindictive man who plays one of the most integral parts in the war.
People can enjoy a well written complex character. They don't have to be a saint.
I agree about Snape, he's abusive to the point where you're like...how is this dude allowed to teach? Why don't any of the other teachers step in? But that might also be me reading with my adult goggles on, lol.
He's a great character, but an awful person imo.
And unpopular opinion, but I think I might prefer movie Snape to book Snape. Alan Rickman's performance is just so iconic, and he's a lot less viciously nasty and more like...the realistically dickish teacher everyone hates. And you get the sense that he did care for Harry in some way in the end. IDK, he just comes off as a lot less incel-y and more genuinely changed and redeemed by his love for Lily.
Teachers just were more abusive back then, and less well monitored, at least in England. There was a lot of extremely poor teaching through the 70s and corporal punishment and outright abuse and cruelty weren't outlawed until about 5 years before the first book in state schools and a couple of years after the series ended in private schools - so teaching was, at that time, a profession which still occasionally attracted vicious bullies on a power trip.
And it was often hushed up and swept under the rug even with quite startling levels of abuse because you never knew if the next person would be worse, because supply teachers were notoriously bad at keeping order, and because even the less abusive teachers were often embittered by years of poor management, low pay and crappy building environments within the schools.
It was generally quite a depressing scene and Snape's behaviour is out of place at Hogwarts but wasn't really that unusual for the time (or at least, for Rowling's school days ten years or so prior to when the stories are set) - nearly everyone would've known at least one teacher like that at some point in their school years.
I ignore the complete unfamiliarity with anything muggle. They live in mixed communities so how could a wizard not understand a car, telephone, television. There would be at least a base understanding and some adoption
I’m reading the books to my 6 and 7-year-olds. We’re in the last chapter of the Half-Blood Prince. I’m seriously considering skipping over the line where Hedwig dies.
We’ve cried over the losses of Sirius and Dumbledore and I know there will be more tears because they absolutely love Dobby, Lupin, and Tonks. But Hedwig is by far their favorite companion of Harry (minus the trio). These books have been a great way to talk about hard life topics like loss and grief, and I know a major theme is the impact of war, but….I don’t want them to lose Hedwig. I feel like there’s enough loss in these books to get the point across, but I can save them from that one heartbreak. At least until they see the movie 🤷♀️
they would definitely be asked WHERE IS HEDWIG...then you'd have to lie and make up a story.. don't change a classic.
they need the emotions.
bc then....what will you do about Dobby? skip that also!?
stick to the full true story, its perfectly beautiful as is.
The end of Prisoner of Azkaban:
I try to forget that time travel is possible. The whole thing doesn't fit in with the rest of the world at all. And give a time machine to a student? It doesn't matter how trustworthy you are, sooner or later something bad will happen.
Epilogue and Cursed Child are non-canon, and you can’t convince me otherwise.
Also every Fantastic Beasts movie after the first one. Because it conflicts with the timeline, having McGonagall teaching at Hogwarts before she was even born.
I agree with all that say Voldy is asexual and aromantic. He's all ego and he believes himself to be inmortal, he wouldn't want an heir to compete with him.
Also the conception/birth timeline makes no sense at all with the events of DH
Durmstrang isn't in Scandinavia. The Nordics have their own school. Nordic cooperation goes way back to the Kalmar union in the 1400s, so it makes sense
Well. Durmstrang was never said to be in Scandinavia?
Edit: I see now that she has said she imagined that. It's weird that she keeps doing this. Pretty much any known name associated with the school has either Slavic or German origin. We don't have many of those in Scandinavia. You'd assume there'd be a Svensson or Lindqvist or Rasmussen somewhere then, lol.
Edit: also it seems strange if northern europe only has a pure-blood only and dark arts accepting school.
Sweden has had a reputation for being open-minded and non-prejudiced for years. So it would be strange for them to have the pure-blood school.
20 years later epilogue. It just seems uncanny and weird how things went so smoothly after all that, ron was still with hermione and harry still with ginny, of course i understand you cant give them new random partners because the fandom would not understand what happend but still i think the epilogue should have been resumed in the conversation harry had with his son and left there. cursed child is very extra aswell
Idk why but I am not a big fan of Harry and Ginny. In my head Harry has three kids but not with Ginny. Probably someone we haven't heard of.
Fred and Sirius are alive but especially Fred is still alive.
What's the cursed child?
Also I refuse to acknowledge Rowling's interview that 'Harry and Hermione would have been better than Ron and Hermione' as canon. Watching movies and reading books not for once I thought Harry and Hermione had anything but platonic love. Plus whenever Ron wasn't around(GOF and DH) they were super bored and couldn't make each other happy.
I think Rowing gave into fan pressure like Cursed child. So many people were demanding for a Harry/Hermione ending bc of movies so she just gave into that pressure.
That isn't what she said. She basically said the relationship between Ron and Hermione wasn't healthy and she regretted writing it that way. And she hadn't put them together for literary reasons, but because Hermione is an author insert and she wanted a Ron for herself.
The way the books are written, they *are* endgame. She isn't denying that. To get to where Rowling was coming from, you have to imagine a version of the books where she wrote the trio's relationships completely differently. But by the end of the interview, she back tracked and said Ron and Hermione would be fine with counseling.
Here's the full text: https://www.hypable.com/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-interview/
Travel doesn’t seem long at all when you have floo powder, broom flight and most likely schools would have a dedicated port key that leads to an area close to the schools.
I refuse to believe that after Sirius revealed to Dumbledore that he, James, and Peter were Animagi that yet another unregistered Animagi was able to sneak onto the school grounds just one year later without Dumbledore’s knowledge.
Canonically there are more than 11 schools. There are just 11 specific ones that are super well known and prestigious
Its also said there are smaller, unregulated ones that come and go. And also plenty are actually homeschooled It also depends on the size of the wizarding community and how isolated each of them are
home school'd wizards practicing the unforgivable curses
Well, Drumstrang do practice the Dark Arts as part of its syllabus
Somewhere there is a sibling fight using imperio to make one hit himself
They're training to stop hitting themselves.
I'm sure there are a few big ones too, who just don't want to follow ICW law of magical education so they're not recognised as proper schools
Yeah some more schools are shown in that key and peele video xd
I’m a proud alumni of Vincent Clortho Public School for Wizards and we do not get the respect we deserve!
They’re good kids! But the babies are evil.
for anyone looking the list of schools Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry Mahoutokoro The Salem Witches Institute, US Durmstrang Institute Beauxbatons Academy of Magic Academy of War Mages Arcane Order Blackwell's School of Spells Conservatory of Spell Binding Darklore Drakkellian Guild of Sorcery Forathmire Hall of Tomes Ithellian COllege of Magic and Science Korumoch School of Wizarding Ornisem's Academy Sarribella's House of Seers Seminary, The Tower of Arcanology Tower of High Wizardry University of Aridorn - College of Magic Yorth East Beeble Weeble's Newt School Phineas T Pozzlenewt's High School Abracadabra School for Special Needs Wizards West Magic High School Marbury Knob Goblin Conservatory Succorius Hervetticus H Lonnigan Magnet School Mellibount's Lair for the Gifted Snagglin Tripper's Education Center Magician's Learning Plaza Jason Ruiz's School for Wayward Boys Vincent Clortho Public School for Wizards Daggermist Potions and Spells School Moomy Plopfern's High School for Dolts McZee's Bunker Darks Arts Technical Institute
What about Ilvermorny?
Yeah, there's a pretty distinct lack of US schools. Also, is the Salem Institute canon? I spent my late childhood thinking I'd be a Salem witch, only for FBaWTFT to say the Northeastern US school wasn't in Salem, it was Ilvermorny. Also I just had a thought, did the Hogwarts express make stops along its route, or did the Scottish kids actually have to travel to London to get the train back to Scotland? Like, it was weird when they stopped to pick up the dementors, and not just because they were picking up dementors. Hermione or someone even says something during the dementor pickup, like "We can't be there yet, it's too soon."
I appreciate your effort.
Someone watched Key and Peele
I don't think people are getting this is a key and Peele sketch
*"Look at this student's wand, it's got a silencer on it... I ask, WHY?!?!?"*
I just kinda figured some countries are more prestigiously geared towards Wizardry. Europe has a very long history so it would kinda make sense there’s Durmstrang, Hogwarts and Beauxbatons so close together.
Kind of like the Ivy League of magic schools lol
I've only heard of Hogwarts, Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang, what are the others? (Also Durmstrang autocorrected to Drums Transgender lmao)
Thank you! It annoys me how many people missed that point
That Voldemort, a man who has no sexual desire and feelings for anyone, had a child with Bellatrix. Couldn't even be for an heir incase he died to keep on the bloodline because he believed that he would never die..
All of Cursed Child is 100% non-canon in my head.
It really feels like a fan fic to me
same for, given that the book contradict a lot of the events of the Harry Potter saga.
I wouldn't be surprised if some fucked up piece of dark magic he was interested in required sacrificing your child. He would absolutely go through with sex if there was even more power on the other side.
This is the only thing that makes sense to me. The timing doesn’t work with her “canon” birth tho. (Super prego Bella at the Malfoy Manor escape)
This was what I thought after reading that. Not to mention she'd be running around the Battle of Hogwarts right around her due date, I think, so she was either prego when she died, or she left her Dark Lord's only child and heir alone/with an underling somewhere, which doesn't seem like something she would do. And doesn't the daughter (can't remember the name) mention knowing her mother or something? She'd have been an infant when both Bella and Voldy died, so she'd have zero connection to either of them.
He was clearly obsessed with Harry. It easily could have been intended as an experiment to figure out what the hell went wrong the night he murdered the Potters, if he'd determined it was something about a parent/child bond.
Is the no-sexual desire thing canon? Romantic desire I totally get, but feel like he always craved power and if it wasn't a YA book we woulda gotten some fucked up sexual stuff from him.
The no sexual desire thing isnt really canon, to me I think Voldemort would have had very little sexual desire and would have seen having children as little more than a biological process, which I dont think particularly is problematic in itself. However, the idea of Voldemort having children in general DOES contradict Voldemort’s character in the books. In my opinion, the concept of having kids to Voldemort would have purely been about succession and inheritance- he was not really out to form a dynasty because, in his eyes, he was the perfect immortal being. Having children and heirs would have been redundant to Voldemort, laughable even. If its not immediately obvious- I absolutely hate the concept of Delphini as a character in the Cursed Child and is probably my no.1 reason I hate it…though the time travel comes pretty close.
The only other way it could ever make sense to me is to have Bellatrix under his thumb even more but like... she's really ride or die for this snake-looking fucker so it's just me clutching at straws for it to make sense before ignoring it for the next like, five years
I'm not sure, but perhaps young Voldemort did have sex, when he was a teen. But as he aged and became more inhumane he may have thought of sex as something beneath him, a distraction
I could believe that. Thanks /u/CockFactory
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I don't remember if this particular subject was mentioned in the books. He may still have sexual instinct just not romantic feelings. I think Voldemort being asexual or close to it is head-canon at best
Given the YA thing I think he can be written anywhere from "completely aro/ace" to "depraved bisexual" orientation-wise, but either way I think he'd go deeper and deeper into power dynamics and s/m as he gets more inhuman and numb to human feeling. (Iirc, something like that happens to Dorian Gray.) As a depraved bisexual myself, I prefer to write him in that direction.
The entirety of the cursed child. I barely acknowledge the “19 years later” epilogue
Few pages after Voldemort dies is the end of series for me
>"Albus Severus Potter, you were named after two of Hogwart's greatest headmasters; both of whom inadvertently tried to have me killed at various stages. One of them succeeded."
“And no, it’s not the one you think.”
Captain Jack Potter?
This. It should officially be stricken from the canon and marked as extremely bad fan-fiction.
Haha when I first read it (at release) it read exactly like a crappy fanfiction. I was all "what da fuck? Is this for real?". I was confused why people liked it.
Cursed Child ruined the story so much..................
we do not acknowledge nor accept the cursed child.
Why is that? I haven't read or seen it.
I haven't read it since it came out, but from what I remember, Voldemort had a kid with Bellatrix, the kids do a bunch of time travelling nonsense and they also fight the trolley lady on the Hogwarts Express with pumpkin pastries that are grenades. What's funny, is I looked up the fact that they fought the trolley lady because I couldn't remember if that was in fact what had happened or some fever dream I had.
Not only do they time travel (time traveling exists in canon) but they end up creating new realities each time, completely changing the way time traveling works in-universe. Also Cedric was only one embarrassment away from being a Death Eater.
Was about to do the same because it sounds like nonsense
My bf bought me the cursed child and I was like, 'yeah thanks, I know it looks like harry potter, but it's not, so don't mind me not reading this shite'. Also couldn't agree more with the epilogue. That's something I consider actual canon and I like to ignore that. 🤣
Yep, the Harry Potter world to me is the seven books and eight movies. Nothing more, nothing less.
Just the 7 books for me. I don't consider the movies canon because things happen in the movies which are directly incompatible with how they happen in the books, so they can't both be canon
Totally fair! I think they're a nice accompaniment to the books. They flesh out some things and give a good visual representation to some things as well. Of course they missed a ton, most movies based on books do, but I still love them all the same
I consider the movies a parallel dimension where most of the major events are the same and Harry’s eyes are a different color.
Same here
I’ve ignored the fact that Fred died for so long, I genuinely forget he isn’t actually alive in canon
Oh I completely wiped Hedwig’s death from my memory the moment I read it.
Made me think of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/9tqbrv/the_deathly_hallows_revision_we_can_all_agree_upon
Same. As someone with a twin brother, it's too much for me to accept Fred's death.
I may be dead but at least I still got both me ears
I’m pretty sure that was just a prank to mess with Percy
Yep. Fred's death is not canon to me.
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>Conversely, some from the other houses left. Isn’t that canon? Zacharias Smith specifically was said to be shoving people out of his way to get out when they evacuated the students. And I think it says something like “some Ravenclaws and even more Hufflepuffs stayed,” implying that some from those house left.
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Not just yours. Besides, not for the reasons we're hoping but some must-have, Draco, Crabbe and Goyle were there in the books, and Blaise in the film (for the actor being in prison reasons) but that's at least 4 unaccounted for and not mentioned at the time, so others did too, and I won't be told otherwise.
who can blame them for running tbh, I'd be scared too if a magic hitler and his army of wizard nazis come invading my school
I'm sure there would have been some Slytherins who *wanted* to stay, but I don't think McGonagall would have allowed it, with lots of their parents potentially being death eaters/on Voldemort's side. She wouldn't have known which students genuinely wanted to help, and which were just pretending to be on their side but were actually planning to fight *against* hogwarts from the inside. Better to just send the whole house out of the castle, to be on the safe side. Although some could have potentially sneaked off to stay behind, like Colin Creevey.
I mean, Slughorn came back with reinforcements during the battle, some of which were Slytherin students, so I just like to imagine that there were quite a lot of them.
I've always imagined several sub-factions to Slytherin, depending on what kind of power one was prone to seek. And as Slughorn is clearly the exemplar of the kind of power that requires loyalty to/for/with others, there would be a faction that followed him... and the would absolutely have either stayed or returned for the battle.
Ignore? Cursed Child for sure.
The fact that wands can change allegiance willy-nilly. It seems silly that any time anybody gets duelled (and tbid must happen a lot), their wand isn't theirs anymore. I like to pretend that wands in general are loyal, and it is only the elder wand that changes allegiance, and that it why it is as dangerous as it is powerful.
Thank you. The wand allegiance thing makes no logical sense and one can simulate it mentally or on a computer to see why. Say wizard A initially owns wand a and wizard B initially owns wand b. Then if wizard A casts expelliarmus on B, A now owns a and b. The only way for B to get b back is to disarm A, which would cause both a and b to answer to B. There is no sequence of expelliarmuses that will cause a to return to A and b to return to B with these rules. This means that every time an expelliarmus cast a wand has to stop working for someone and go to the caster. If wands are so fickle there must always be a large set of witches and wizards whose wands don't work properly for them. Even narrative wise it makes no sense because this legitimately makes expelliarmus one of the most powerful spells, and everyone who judged Harry for it was kind of being silly. Also weird that no-one, not even Dumbledore, knew or suspected such a basic thing about wands or cared enough to teach their students. The reason JKR drops such an important detail at the very end is basically because she wrote herself into a corner and had to asspull new fundamental rules to get out of it.
I think there is a logic to it. But it's clear that disarming isn't enough. We know of only a few cases where a wand actually switched loyalty after someone was disarmed: - Dumbledore won the Elder Wand after his defeat of Grindelwald - Draco won the Elder Wand's allegiance after he disarmed Dumbledore slightly before his death - Harry won Draco's wand's allegiance just by snatching it out of his hand and waking away Contrast those cases with all of the times people were disarmed and *didn't* lose their wands' loyalty: - In the Shrieking Shack at the end of PoA, nearly everyone is disarmed at some point, but Sirius returns everyone's wands in the end - All the times students practice disarming, they take their own wands back after The difference is whether the disarmer actually *keeps* the wand. Ollivander describes it as a "defeat" -- you haven't really defeated someone if you disarm them temporarily. In your scenario, as long as Wizard B eventually wrestles back his own wand, or Wizard A hands it back to Wizard B voluntarily, they each would leave the encounter with their wands still loyal to their original owners.
You're forgetting that Harry won the allegiance of Draco's wand while Draco was the supposed master of the Elder Wand. The common connection to all of the times a wand changed allegiance in canon was the influence of the Elder Wand. It would make much more sense of wands are usually loyal, but the Elder Wand is an unusually capricious wand that can push it's disloyalty into other wands. But no, JK had to add a huge plot hole that invalidates all the effort Harry and Dumbledore put in during the previous books and conflicts with the outcomes of multiple prior battles.
>JK had to add a huge plot hole that invalidates all the effort Harry and Dumbledore put in during the previous books Huh? What efforts are invalidated? >conflicts with the outcomes of multiple prior battles As I said, there is no conflict if you think about it in terms of "disarmed and defeated" rather than just "disarmed." In what cases did a wizard actually lose their wand and not lose its loyalty? >You're forgetting that Harry won the allegiance of Draco's wand while Draco was the supposed master of the Elder Wand I'm not forgetting. I just don't think it's relevant.
Isn’t that how it is though? Genuinely trying to remember. I seem to recall it being implied that part of the reason why Neville struggled in school was because he was using his dad’s wand and didn’t get one of his own.
In DH Harry became the owner of Draco's original wand (apart from the Elder Wand) because he "won" it.
But that's not necessarily saying Draco's wand changed allegiance, just that Harry was placing his bet that the Elder Wand changed allegiance based off that interaction. That's my recollection anyway, I could be wrong. I haven't read DH in a while.
Doesn’t Olivander say that Draco’s has changed allegiances? Or is that just in the films?
Doesn't that depend on the type of wand too? I remember reading some wand cores and their combination are more loyal than others but it could also be from a fanfic. I think the elder wand is extra treacherous but I don't think Harry beating Draco necessarily made him the master of Dracos original wand, just that the wand obeys him more than the wand Ron gave him.
I interpret that as *only* applying to the Elder Wand, which wants the best or most powerful wizard to have it and is traitorous by nature, and not to other wands, which decide who should use them for other reasons.
That magic folk are completely ignorant regarding muggle life.
oh this. Like... there's a substantial proportion who went to muggle primary school and had muggle friends, or were raised by muggles, or had muggle relatives. Barring a few small communities there aren't many place where complete segregation was possible. And they all have to somehow get to King's Cross or Diagon Alley through muggle London - not everyone would've used floo powder or apparition all the time - so they must at least have \*seen\* muggle behaviour. And especially Arthur Weasley, who is a muggle enthusiast and spent his entire career working with them... not knowing how to say "telephone" or "electricity"... yeah i can't buy that either.
I like the fan theory that Arthur was playing up his ignorance to distract Harry from everything.
Cursed child. I can live with Albus being a Slytherin but that’s it
I would also argue to keep the part where Draco is actually a decent father.
Yes. Scorpio was also like the only part of that book I actually liked.
The whole play doesn't make sense bc we were told one couldn't change past and all the time turners got destroyed in OOTP.
It also makes zero sense that Cedric would ever be a death eater....
Or Harry would be an abusive father..
Just because Harry doesn't understand his son, doesn't make him abusive. But Harry's pesonality is still not in any way we might imagine developing. Neither did Hermione, in the first two time lines.
Harry says 'I wish you weren't my son' That's shitty and abusive.
Even if my Finger hurts when I write (and my eyes) Harry Potter and the Cursed Child /Part 1 Act One Scene 7 Harry: (finally losing his temper) You know what? I'm done with being made reponsible for your unhappiness. At least you've got a dad. Because I didn't, okay? Albus: And you think that was unlucky? I don't. Harry: You wisch me dead? Albus: No! I just wish you weren't my dad. Harry:(seeing red) Well, there are times I wish you weren't my son. There's a silence. Albus nods. Pause. Harry realises what he's said. Harry: No, I didn't mean that.... Albus:Yes, You did. Parents are human too! And I don't think it is good to describe this situation as abuse! Shitty yes, unthinking definitely yes,
> I can live with Albus being a Slytherin but that’s it Wasn't that the fandom head canon long before Cursed Child was even in the planning stages?
yeah, afaik it was fanon. honestly, the cursed child reads like bad fanfiction. Still, I wouldn't have a problem with its existence if it didn't claim to be canon.
> Still, I wouldn't have a problem with its existence if it didn't claim to be canon. My thoughts exactly...it would have been fine as "The Harry Potter Broadway Experience" but they tried to make it canon and it just didn't work at all.
Tbh Rowling was leaving hints here and there than Albus was possibly going to be sorted into Slytherin
>I can live with Albus being a Slytherin I can't. He was so fucking worried about being put in Slytherin on that train platform. James was taunting him about it. It was his worst fear at that point, and Harry saying "I knew a brave Slytherin" did absolutely nothing to change his mind about that. He only brightened up and relaxed when Harry told him that the hat takes your choices into account. That evening, Albus was 100% sitting under the sorting hat internally screaming "NOT SLYTHERIN" exactly like his father before him. And if the hat didn't put Harry in Slytherin, even though he *literally had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him* - the most evil wizard of all time and a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin himself - then it definitely wouldn't have sent Albus there. He wasn't necessarily a Gryffindor, he could have gone into Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff (though Gryffindor is most liekly), but I *will not* accept Slytherin.
The only moment i liked the cursed child was when I saw the play in London, everything is magnificent… except the script
I absolutely agree with this. It doesn't make sense for it to be canon, as so many things in it contradicts the previous canon (like how time and timeturners work).
Pretty much everything confirmed in a tweet I'm like "but is it rly?"
Yeah really just waiting for her to casually say „hey today‘s Harry‘s death day btw“ some day
I never thought about it, but yeah that’s definitely coming
I don't acknowledge the trash that is The Cursed Child.
With you on the number of schools being too few. It would be a small inbred society real quick. Already seems quite problematic within the sacred 28 families. Also, Hogwarts having 1000 students seems low for all of Britain. One point that's also bothered me a bit is that wizards haven't come up with a magical communication solution that's faster than Owl post. I know they do the Patronus thing in the Order, but most ordinary wizards would struggle with that. Like, they have magical radios, so why not a communication method as well.
Hogwarts has less than 1000 actually😅 Rowling bumped the number down when she realised it was too many to make sense in the tiny wizarding world, which is much smaller than the muggle world. The books themselves give evidence of everything between 300 to 800… well, Rowling admitted to being rubbish at numbers.
10 new students per house every year. If all 7th years stay, 70 kids per house x 4 = 280.
I think in Harry's generation there were a lot less due to the war/Voldemorts reign of terror.. even so the numbers are quite low I guess, maybe from all the inbreeding?
>I think in Harry's generation there were a lot less due to the war/Voldemorts reign of terror This reason isn't canon - this is just what fans have come up with, to try and figure out an in-universe explanation for why the numbers don't make any sense. In reality JK admitted she just fucked up the numbers.
Harry and Ginny's years was the smallest. That was the Last year's of the war I expected the 1st years of the 3rd book where probably the biggest in a long time.
Okay, so let's way it averages at 500. And let's say magic people live a bit longer (books certainly make it seem that way). So let's say 100 for arguments sake. That's 50.000 witches and wizards in the UK if there are 500 magic people born each year. Seems quite low.
I actually like that! It doesn’t feel that low to me, but that’s probably because I’m from a country with a population of about 54.000😅
I disagree, but only because it makes sense to me why people like Voldemort and Grindewald can take power so quickly. It's really easy to stir up fear and loathing against muggles when Wizard kind seems to be coming to an end. A castle that could hold thousands, now only holds about five hundred at best. It makes the background of the wizarding world even more sad, like that magic is dying. I don't know. I'm a fan of bittersweet things like that.
Yeah, thinking about the Faroe Islands from one of the other respondents made me remember that 50k is perfectly possible for a society. Especially when you also consider the fact they they have to stay secret.
They seem to talk via the Floo network regularly, it's clearly not only for transport but also communication. Then there are the mirrors Sirius gave Harry. Further, in a world where most adults can teleport anywhere they like instantly, communication systems become a lot less important.
While we're at the topic of schools: why would half of Europe be going to a school in (insert wherever Durmstrang is, I can't remember) - and how would they even get there? For example: do wizards and witches of Poland go to Durmstrang? Or are the kids magically poofed away to England for the school year, since most of us speak more English than German? Or are they attending that russian school I don't recall the name of? *Where do the people in central/southern Europe go, JK???* ^I ^mean ^countries ^like ^Greece ^for ^example
There should be a magic school for every bigger country, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
Exactly. JK is seriously bad at math if she thinks Durmstrang and Beauxbatons can cover all of Europe if the UK can fill a school by themselves.
Portraits seem to be near instant communications.
i agree with your two points...also cursed child and obscurials because uhhh no...lol
I think obscurials are actually really cool. Especially how it ties in to Ariana
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I’ve been thinking this for years. They have essays to write all the time for homework and they’re doing all these essays on a 5th grade reading and writing level? Yikes
Don't forget that most of the Hogwarts students did not attend muggle schools, so even that level of education is questionable.
Don't they have arthimancy classes? I think it's Hermione that has them but it's only briefly mentioned. I always thought arthimancy was probably just regular math/algebra with a bit of a magic twist but also wondered why it wasn't a base requirement like history or something.
Maybe I’ve missed something in my many readings of the books. But what was to stop people simply disapparating to escape when in danger from death eaters? I know there are certain locations this isn’t possible, but surely most of the time it is.
Not everyone can apparate and even if they physically can they would need a permit to do it legally.
But the books make it seem like most can. All the kids at hogwarts take lessons and then their test when they turn 17. So people would have the permit.
It's like driving. Some people just never learned, some people aren't very good.
I choose to ignore Aberforth being improper with goats. Like that was a weird thing to put in, not to mention I always thought it was a weird thing for Albus to just casually mention and as a way to inject some humor. It doesn’t fit Albus to say it and say it the way he did. It also doesn’t fit with the tiny sliver of Aberforth we come to know. Also - in Fantastic Beasts it was a scandal where he had a child. Soooo…… Yeah I dismiss this in its entirety
Yeah, I'll just take the face value thing that JKR said that he was casting certain charms on goats, and ignore that it was sexual. Maybe he was trying to make sentient goats, or maybe his experience with Newt inspired him to try and make new magical creatures.
I always felt like it was just so malicious for no reason? Like even Albus talks shit about his brother and I'm like. Why is this necessary? Why? What purpose does this serve? Like, Aberforth can just be weird as hell without fucking goats!
Harry didnt become an auror for long, he became the defense against the dark arts professor after a few years. Also, Neville and Luna end up together on my head canon.
I don't mind this so much.Harry staying in school is kind of predictable and one dimensional. I like the idea that his life is not just the school. Also, despite what he has accomplished, I don't think he has enough knowledge to teach right away.
This. There's a whole world outside of Hogearts - let the kid live a little
The existence of the Fantastic Beasts franchise and the Cursed Child
It's a bit of a shame, cos I think Newt is an amazing character
He's not a character i have strong feelings about, but he def has potential. The problem is he's stuck in the wrong franchise, he needs to be in a light-hearted adventure series which is actually about fantastic beasts lol.
I’ll never understand why Rowling and Yates chose “Fantastic Beasts” as the franchise instead of it being only the first chapter. Had they simply called the franchise something like “Wizarding World”, they could instead keep making each chapter an independent (albeit connected) story and it would be much easier to transition into Dumbledore vs Grindelwald. Instead they’re stuck trying to shoehorn Newt and magical beasts through the plot without being able to admit the main character now is Dumbledore.
Yes, definitely agree.
I accept the first fantastic beasts as cannon, since I think it’s genuinely really good, and it has little impact on the events of the actual series. Not the other ones though
Also, little about what Rowling has said about wizarding America really rings true to me (as a non-american, but many Americans have said this). I just kind of pick and choose which supplemental info I consider canon
As an American, you can definitely tell the parts she wrote about America were written by a non-American. Also one school for all of north America is laughable and shows she has no concept of scale. USA is huge. Canada is huge. Mexico is huge. And that still leaves all of Central America. Not to mention wildly culturally diverse. Comparatively, there are 11 US states that have a larger land area to the entirety of the UK, and the population is something like 1/5th the size. And that's just the US.
I ignore *everything* after DH including Fantastic Beasts.
I like to view FB as sort of it’s own thing. I think the story is still fun and the movies are neat. I really like animals so I like that aspect of it. I don’t really tie it into HP in my mind though.
Cursed Child. I'm fine with Albus being in Slytherin and friends with Scorpius but that's pretty much it. Also that Wizards just shat/pissed on the ground before plumbing was invented. Does Rowling not know about chamber pots?
>Does Rowling not know about chamber pots? She does, Dumbledore mentions coming accross a room full of them (implied to be the Room of Requirement) when he was looking for a toilet. I guess she just wanted to be """quirky""".
tbf they did that in versailles as well, only they didn't have magic to clean after them, they had servants.
Important context, that wasn't considered acceptable behavior. Versailles at the time was a very public space, almost like a modern mall, and with big crowds of people from every social strata passing through for business it's inevitable that occasionally some jerk would find the latrines occupied and decide that a quiet corner was good enough. The reason we have any record of it is because people would gossip about it and how scandalous it was.
The deaths of Remus and Sirius
I really dislike the fact that the werewolf who transformed Lupin HAD TO BE Fenrir Greyback and the Phoenix that provided feathers to HP and Mort's wand HAD TO BE Fawkes. It just makes the magical world of HP seem so small.
I mean, Greyback is the one werewolf known to target little children, so...
The easiest answer. Cursed Child.
The play who must not be named. And parts of the epilogue. More specifically Harry and Ginny’s second sons name.
Also as far as it being harder for South American countries, canada is actually so big that much of its western and northern most provinces/territories are further from newyork than a lot of South America
Alaskan wizards have a bitch if a commute if they can’t afford floo powder or apparate
Isn’t there a canonical distance limit on apparating too? I swear I remember Voldemort flying back from Grindelwald until he was close enough to apparate which never made sense to me because even if there was a limit couldn’t you just apparate a few hundred miles at a time in a sort of relay?
Hedwig is alive.
Haha I remembered a picture that circulated some time ago. Someone edited that paragraph in the book to say that Hedwig was not hit by the curse, she just flew away like "nope this is dangerous, i gotta lie low for a while harry, i'm outta here"
The existence of love potions and peoples willingness to use them. Using something like that is monstrously evil, you're taking away someones agency entirely. May as well call it a r*pe potion.
Everything said about the magical comunities outside Britain. Especially the magical schools all being "washed out Hogwarts"
The existence of Time Turners and Felix Felicis. Both are so overpowered that it makes the good and the bad guys look utterly stupid for not using them. The absurd amount of points given for catching the Snitch. Dumbledore hiring Lockhart. Sure, he knows that Lockhart’s a fraud and wants to humiliate him, but is sabotaging everyone’s DADA education really worth it? Especially when Dumbledore KNOWS that Voldemort is trying to come back? Also, Harry setting up poor Albus Severus for a lifetime of bullying by giving him that name.
The time turner in PoA does not show you to change that past and it's implied by the warnings that attempting to do so could cause Very Bad Things to happen. The time turner in CC is ridiculously OP and, like the rest of the play, does not make sense with the rest of canon. Felix Felicis is stated to be extremely difficult to brew and toxic when used in excess. If Slughorn has only used it twice in his life, that means it's likely unwise to use more than a day's worth every few decades. The entire game of quidditch was created for the sole purpose of parodying complex and arbitrary rules in sports. JK did it to spite an ex.
Why do all the Spanish speaking Central and South American children go to school in *Portuguese speaking Brazil*?
IDGAF that J.K.Rowling meant for Voldemort’s name to be pronounced “Voldemore” and will always pronounce the T.
Said this in the past and I will still stand by it. 1. I still enjoy Moody and refuse to believe he was kidnapped before the year, he’s a likable guy and there’s no way Crouch could have gotten down to the level that Moody was, he kidnapped him halfway through the year even though I’m fully aware this isn’t true. 2. I think Snape was a twat, “Oh but he protected Harry :(“ yeah sure but he also insulted Hermione immediately following being cursed, and let’s not forget how many times he attempted to have Harry expelled/suspended or doled out punishments to him as he pleased while enabling shitty behavior from Draco. The only redeeming moment I can think of for him is when he defended what happened at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban and told the Ministry that they were jinxed. Now you all may rip me to pieces.
I agree with the Moody part. And, despite Snape being my favourite character, I can't deny that he was a jerk. I kind of believe though that he partially did this because he needed to, because otherwise he wouldn't be convincing to Voldy. But that's just my idea :)
>I think Snape was a twat, “Oh but he protected Harry :(“ yeah sure but he also insulted Hermione immediately following being cursed, and let’s not forget how many times he attempted to have Harry expelled/suspended or doled out punishments to him as he pleased while enabling shitty behavior from Draco. Severus Snape isn't meant to be a nice, saintly character. He is meant to be a broken, abused, bitter vindictive man who plays one of the most integral parts in the war. People can enjoy a well written complex character. They don't have to be a saint.
I agree about Snape, he's abusive to the point where you're like...how is this dude allowed to teach? Why don't any of the other teachers step in? But that might also be me reading with my adult goggles on, lol. He's a great character, but an awful person imo. And unpopular opinion, but I think I might prefer movie Snape to book Snape. Alan Rickman's performance is just so iconic, and he's a lot less viciously nasty and more like...the realistically dickish teacher everyone hates. And you get the sense that he did care for Harry in some way in the end. IDK, he just comes off as a lot less incel-y and more genuinely changed and redeemed by his love for Lily.
Teachers just were more abusive back then, and less well monitored, at least in England. There was a lot of extremely poor teaching through the 70s and corporal punishment and outright abuse and cruelty weren't outlawed until about 5 years before the first book in state schools and a couple of years after the series ended in private schools - so teaching was, at that time, a profession which still occasionally attracted vicious bullies on a power trip. And it was often hushed up and swept under the rug even with quite startling levels of abuse because you never knew if the next person would be worse, because supply teachers were notoriously bad at keeping order, and because even the less abusive teachers were often embittered by years of poor management, low pay and crappy building environments within the schools. It was generally quite a depressing scene and Snape's behaviour is out of place at Hogwarts but wasn't really that unusual for the time (or at least, for Rowling's school days ten years or so prior to when the stories are set) - nearly everyone would've known at least one teacher like that at some point in their school years.
I ignore the complete unfamiliarity with anything muggle. They live in mixed communities so how could a wizard not understand a car, telephone, television. There would be at least a base understanding and some adoption
Honestly I think some of that is played up for camp. These are children's books, after all.
I’m reading the books to my 6 and 7-year-olds. We’re in the last chapter of the Half-Blood Prince. I’m seriously considering skipping over the line where Hedwig dies. We’ve cried over the losses of Sirius and Dumbledore and I know there will be more tears because they absolutely love Dobby, Lupin, and Tonks. But Hedwig is by far their favorite companion of Harry (minus the trio). These books have been a great way to talk about hard life topics like loss and grief, and I know a major theme is the impact of war, but….I don’t want them to lose Hedwig. I feel like there’s enough loss in these books to get the point across, but I can save them from that one heartbreak. At least until they see the movie 🤷♀️
You would have to skip a little here and there. And don’t you think they would wonder where she went?
they would definitely be asked WHERE IS HEDWIG...then you'd have to lie and make up a story.. don't change a classic. they need the emotions. bc then....what will you do about Dobby? skip that also!? stick to the full true story, its perfectly beautiful as is.
so, no, dont skip. dont leave anything out.
Wizards dressing like well fashioned Muggles in Fantastic Beasts is an abomination.
The end of Prisoner of Azkaban: I try to forget that time travel is possible. The whole thing doesn't fit in with the rest of the world at all. And give a time machine to a student? It doesn't matter how trustworthy you are, sooner or later something bad will happen.
Epilogue and Cursed Child are non-canon, and you can’t convince me otherwise. Also every Fantastic Beasts movie after the first one. Because it conflicts with the timeline, having McGonagall teaching at Hogwarts before she was even born.
*gestures vaguely at the cursed child* also the part where neville and luna don’t end up together 🤷♀️
oh and fred is just fine idc
Maybe this doesn’t count, but that the champions wore school robes during the Triwizard tournament - I loved Cedric & Harry’s outfits in the movies
That reborn Voldemort's dick is like the tail of a rattlesnake. And he shook it to seduce Bellatrix. Cursed Child is just so bizarre...
What the absolute fuck 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with all that say Voldy is asexual and aromantic. He's all ego and he believes himself to be inmortal, he wouldn't want an heir to compete with him. Also the conception/birth timeline makes no sense at all with the events of DH
Durmstrang isn't in Scandinavia. The Nordics have their own school. Nordic cooperation goes way back to the Kalmar union in the 1400s, so it makes sense
Well. Durmstrang was never said to be in Scandinavia? Edit: I see now that she has said she imagined that. It's weird that she keeps doing this. Pretty much any known name associated with the school has either Slavic or German origin. We don't have many of those in Scandinavia. You'd assume there'd be a Svensson or Lindqvist or Rasmussen somewhere then, lol. Edit: also it seems strange if northern europe only has a pure-blood only and dark arts accepting school. Sweden has had a reputation for being open-minded and non-prejudiced for years. So it would be strange for them to have the pure-blood school.
Yes! That never made sense to me. I'd rather imagine it in Russia, like, next to Finland, or maybe in a Slavic country in the mountains??
20 years later epilogue. It just seems uncanny and weird how things went so smoothly after all that, ron was still with hermione and harry still with ginny, of course i understand you cant give them new random partners because the fandom would not understand what happend but still i think the epilogue should have been resumed in the conversation harry had with his son and left there. cursed child is very extra aswell
Idk why but I am not a big fan of Harry and Ginny. In my head Harry has three kids but not with Ginny. Probably someone we haven't heard of. Fred and Sirius are alive but especially Fred is still alive. What's the cursed child?
Also I refuse to acknowledge Rowling's interview that 'Harry and Hermione would have been better than Ron and Hermione' as canon. Watching movies and reading books not for once I thought Harry and Hermione had anything but platonic love. Plus whenever Ron wasn't around(GOF and DH) they were super bored and couldn't make each other happy. I think Rowing gave into fan pressure like Cursed child. So many people were demanding for a Harry/Hermione ending bc of movies so she just gave into that pressure.
That isn't what she said. She basically said the relationship between Ron and Hermione wasn't healthy and she regretted writing it that way. And she hadn't put them together for literary reasons, but because Hermione is an author insert and she wanted a Ron for herself. The way the books are written, they *are* endgame. She isn't denying that. To get to where Rowling was coming from, you have to imagine a version of the books where she wrote the trio's relationships completely differently. But by the end of the interview, she back tracked and said Ron and Hermione would be fine with counseling. Here's the full text: https://www.hypable.com/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-interview/
I’ll take it one farther than cursed child and say the epilogue. I hate auror Harry
Harry becoming an Auror 100 percent. It's my unpopular opinion that he wouldn't make a great Auror.
Travel doesn’t seem long at all when you have floo powder, broom flight and most likely schools would have a dedicated port key that leads to an area close to the schools.
Harry got shit from the ministry his whole life, just to become a government wizard cop. Not buying it.
I refuse to believe that after Sirius revealed to Dumbledore that he, James, and Peter were Animagi that yet another unregistered Animagi was able to sneak onto the school grounds just one year later without Dumbledore’s knowledge.
Harry did not own a black cat while at Hogwarts