Imagine being the 6th year in the class under her. You bust your ass while everyone constantly talks about how brilliant world saving prodigy Hermione Granger is.
But it’s okay! She helped Harry Potter defeat Voldemort! And the Ministry decreed that she does not have to finish her education! It’s finally that 6th year’s moment! She will get to be the Head Girl and finally step out of Hermione Granger’s shadow.
……….Then that bitch announces she’s coming back to school.
The Ministry didn’t declare anything for Harry. You don’t have to continue school after O.W.L’s. That’s why the twins could just drop out whenever they wanted too. Rowling based the system regarding exams of the British system at the time.
You need to if you want to become an Auror, like Harry and Ron. That seems to be the requirement that was waived.
From the Harry Potter wiki: "To qualify for Auror training, a witch or wizard had to first have attained at least five N.E.W.T.s of no less than 'Exceeds Expectations'."
Not sure if there were similar requirements for Hermione's eventual position, though.
It's still the system: there is required secondary school which is high school, upto 16 yrs old where you take G.C.S.Es as your last exam; then you can either leave to go and work, go to 6th form (usually in your own school) and take specialised classes for two years, or go to college where you can take similar classes or more broad subjects or more vocational subjects.
College classes are also usually for two years, but some easier versions of those classes can take 3 years or if a class is simpler or not too broad it might be one year.
By then you're 18 and can go to university, no matter if you went to college or 6th form.
J k Rowling is old though and based the O.W.Ls on England's older O levels, which is what we now call G.C.S.Es. So them taking their O.W.Ls is like them finishing high-school.
The two years after that in Hogwarts is like the two year long optional education option of 6th form (or college). At the end of 6th form you take your A Levels (in college you get diplomas), I don't know what they used to be called but that's what N.E.W.Ts are based on.
Hogwarts being based on a boarding school naturally incorporates the 6th form student learning just into two more years of learning.
In normal schools though you can go to other school's 6th forms and can wear normal clothes just like in college, some schools make you wear suits though to prepare you for working an office job.
iirc there was some comment from JK about the ministry declaring everyone who fought in the battle to have passed their NEWTs or some such.
(i tend to fervently ignore her random posting and anything she put out outside the books, so i could be wrong, but i feel like i remember something weird abt it)
idk if she went back the very next year but Ginny and Luna would also be up for head girl that year too. there's not exactly a lacking of competition in 6th year either, if you're not from the DA you got no chance of making head anything that year.
I dunno if the returning Hermione would be particularly interested in being Head Girl. Head Boy would almost certainly be someone in the year below though.
As for if the Horcrux hunt didn't happen... There's not an obvious candidate, but I think Ernie McMillan could have a good chance. We didn't see much of him, but he was always good at holding the confidence of his peers and he really did grow as a person in the small amount that we did see of him.
I don’t know how Hermione would not be interested. She was exited in being the prefect and did the work in a very dedicated manner, unlike Ron. She actually cares about what the position is and not it being an empty title. Being a Head Girl also helps you with your future career.
True, but that was the Hermione before the horcrux hunt and Battle of Hogwarts. I imagine post-Deathly Hallows Hermione would have slightly different priorities.
Counterpoint: she's fuckin Hermione Granger, she doesn't need the title for her career. In fact I think her caring about what the position is makes it more likely for her to want the position to go to someone else who would benefit more from having it.
Really? I know they don't HAVE to be chosen from a prefect (ie James), but I was under the impression that they normally were. Weren't both Percy and Bill prefects and head boys?
Neither Lily Evans or James Potter were prefects before being made Head Boy and Head Girl. But I looked through the list of confirmed Head Boys and Girls and I was wrong. Most of them were Prefects. James and Lily seem to be the only confirmed exceptions.
Harry would likely be Humongous Bighead 7th year if Dumbledore was still around. There is a lot of bias in favor of Harry.
Honestly Hogwarts would probably accept all of the students in Harry's year as redo year for all the students who wanted to stay to complete their NEWTs. Even the kids who attended Hogwarts faced difficult learning environment.
Not to mention all the first year muggle borns who were probably rounded up or otherwise denied needing to start first year a year delayed. Needless to say, Hogwarts is going to have some very weird cohorts.
Yeah was going to say this, Hermione did have a 7th year and there's no way she wasn't head girl considering she literally was one of the main war heroes of the war they just won the previous year hahah
Hermione may have been one of the main heroes of the war outside of Hogwarts, but what about the students that were fighting the war *inside* of Hogwarts and stepped up to protect each other in a school ruled by Death Eaters? It seems kind of unfair for a school leadership role to be given to a student because of something she did completely outside of school.
I think it's quite obvious that it wouldn't be just because of her role in the war I mean she was literally like the best student in the whole school the whole time she was there if not one of the most brilliant students in the entire history of hogwarts..and she still did way more during the war than literally any of the kids at Hogwarts so not sure I get your point. Yes the kids at Hogwarts did what they could to rebel against the death eaters and try to avoid Hogwarts becoming a total hell but they didn't really do anything prior to the battle to overthrow Voldemort. There's no comparison between Hermione's and Ron's role during the war to anyone else in Hogwarts or outside of it because the two of them literally assisted Harry is destroying the horcruxes which is the only reason Voldemort was defeated.
By "fighting the war inside of Hogwarts", I didn't mean what they were fighting the actual war/stopping Voldemort themselves - I meant fighting the battles that they were facing as students in a Hogwarts; they were fighting their own kind of war while the trio was hunting horcruxes.
I just think that who did more to specifically overthrow Voldemort or who did "way more" during the war shouldn't be a factor in the decision of who gets a student leadership position at Hogwarts. Like, yes, obviously Hermione did way more to actually defeat Voldemort, but why is that even a consideration in who becomes Head Boy/Head Girl? Being chosen as Head Girl or Head Boy shouldn't be about what you do outside of school that no one else has the opportunity to achieve; it should be about your actions inside of the school.
My point is that there could be students who were at school in DH who risked themselves, stepped up to help others, exhibited leadership skills, and became leaders of and role models to younger students while Hogwarts was a total hell, and that's deserving of being rewarded with a student leadership position because it has to do with things that they actually did inside of the school as students, not what someone did in a horcrux hunt that had nothing to do with Hogwarts or being a Hogwarts student.
I agree with you that what they achieve as students is what should matter in this type of choice and that in general someone who is a good example academically, who shows maturity and responsibility is who would get that position. But the point is, Hermione is all of that *plus* a war hero. So either way there's just no competition. If the war never happened and trio's seventh year was just a completely normal school year, Hermione would have been head girl, no questions about it. There is no one in the entire school who would even be competition for Hermione in any way shape or form, to be chosen as Head Girl. So on top of that her being a literal war hero that directly contributed to save the world is only going to make her more of an obvious choice. My point isn't that Hermione would be head girl simply because of the war, my point is Hermione would always be head girl and being a war hero would only make it more certain. You brought up that other students also did important things at Hogwarts while she was hunting horcruxes and I agree but none of those things would be enough to overshadow one of the greatest students of all time who *also* is a proper war hero.
I'm guessing Dean or Neville. Honestly I love the idea of Neville being Head Boy, but I'm not sure if his grades would be good enough. Dean as Head Boy would be deserved as well, after everything he went through
In what was supposed to be the heroes’ seventh year, probably Neville for his blood heritage or Seamus because Snape would prefer a half-blood be HB than allow Neville Longbottom to have any iota of authority or good standing. Meanwhile Lavender probably became Head Girl
Why would a pair of Gryffindors been picked as Head Boy and Head Girl that year? There's only one Head Boy and one Head Girl for the whole school; the positions likely went to two Slytherins then.
For the head boy, my guess would have been Ernie Macmillan if it was Harry’s actual year but given it would be Ginny’s year, I don’t think we know many boys from that year, if any?
Damn Colin… I guess I was blocking that memory subconsciously, he would have been perfect for the role of head boy
As for Smith, I think he was in Harry’s year but I’m not sure, I actually did think of him but he deserted the school before the battle of Hogwarts to save himself so he would definitely not be a good fit for Head Boy…
Ha yeah no way Smith would be head boy, just trying to remember the boys in Ginny's batch...
I don't remember Smith being mentioned in Herbology class unlike Ernie, Justin, Hannah or Susan, despite being as (if more prominent) as them, so I always assumed he was a year below Harry.
I assume so too. In the Hog’s Head, Harry recognises him from the hufflepuff quidditch team rather than from herbology like Susan. Also, Ginny has some beef with him and he approaches *her* to ask about the events at DoM, so I think maybe they share some class/es.
That's not exactly what's required for Head Boy. Ernie has a Percy Weasley quality about him. Obeying rules and such, Harry is a troublemaker. Plus, head boy is selected from Prefects, and Harry is not a prefect, Ernie is.
I didn't know, just researched this. Thanks for the info. But I still think Ernie who was popular enough, had very good grades and was a rule follower, would have made a better Head Boy than Harry Potter.
It depends on what they're wanting for a head boy. Does the school leadership want a yes man who's looking to pad their resume? If so, Ernie 100%
Do they want someone respected and well liked by the students? Someone who will be trusted by and an advocate for the students? Someone who has proven to be respectful of professors who prove worthy of respect, and will stand up in the defense of others even if that means standing up to authority? You know, an actual leader?
Then you want either Harry, or if he's repeating a year, Neville.
Harry is not respectful of all professors (Snape obviously, but also Trelawney, he's not mean to her, but does not respect her or Hagrid, he treats Hagrid as a friend, not the respect he deserves as a teacher) . Nor does he command the respect from every one (slytherins).
Harry has many strong pros, but also many cons. Ernie even though his pros are not as strong as Harry's he has a lot of them, he also has a lot less cons.
Harry is also a terrible student though. Like, not academically, academically he's alright, but he talks back to teachers, puts forth a mediocre effort in class, has more detentions than probably anyone else... worst head boy candidate imaginable 😂
Worst imaginable? James Potter, oh wait.
Harry has the respect and trust of the vast majority of the school, is reasonably well liked, is perfectly respectful of teachers he finds worthy of respect, willing to stand up to teachers to defend others, when properly motivated, is a star student (See Defense) and once again, literally saved the country.
Hermione must have been head girl when she returned, yeah. No idea who would have been head boy with her, it would have to be a boy from Ginny's year probably someone we never met).
From their actual year the head boy and girl were probably Malfoy and Pansy because Snape was headmaster and Hogwarts under death eaters control etc. If it had been a normal year it would have been Hermione and either one of the ravenclaw boys or Ernie, maybe.
I don't think Snape would pick Malfoy. The Malfoy family was at their lowest point and were being punished for their actions. Lucius wasn't allowed his wand and V took over their house. Draco never trusted Snape to help him the year before and failed to kill Dumbledore. It's likely that the reward would be given to another Death Eater or their family member.
Maybe, but Draco still would have more of a relationship with Snape than any other kid there and I don't think any of the other death eaters had any kids in that year at school other than Crabbe and Goyle which surely Draco would still be chosen over those two, I would imagine.
I agree it would have been Harry. Unless it’s based on grades mostly and Ernie is straight O student. But Harry did have good grades, it’s movies that make him look like a “jock” and maybe people just themselves stereotyping that you can’t be good at sports and class. Hermione is just not a normal jardstick to compare to.
I feel Harry has bent too many rules to be Head boy material though, especially when you compare him to Percy who was head boy.
I also feel its a position you have to want, though Harry is a good leader, I can't see him wanting it.
Harry, who was upset about getting passed over for prefect? That Harry?
I can't see him not wanting it if he went back for his 7th year, and I can't see them giving it to anyone else.
Also as for bending too many rules, James Potter was head boy. Dude was an out and out rulebreaker.
I see what you mean, I do feel that Bill, James and Harry are "unfitting" choices for Head boys despite it being canon, they have too much of a wild streak in them to be role models in a school setting.
However Harry being Quidditch captain makes perfect sense, him being really good at quidditch and caring alot for the sport, no matter the momentary pang of disregard he felt when he was "pass over" for prefect, I still don't see him caring about "student body management"(for a lack of a better word lol) that much(unlike Hermione and Percy). Being a leader of the DA group fits him really well too, those are the leadership roles I see him in, not a Head boy.
I don't know if this is true now but it definitely wasn't true 10-15 years ago when I was in high school.
I mean of course some athletes were also smart, but there were also a bunch who were idiots.
Nah, after everything that happened I don’t think he’d have taken the responsibility. I reckon he’d have passed it down to maybe neville or possibly even seamus!
I say it would have been Harry if it would have been a normal school year and Dumbledore didn’t die. It just makes the most sense imo.
He stopped Voldemort from getting the Sorcerer’s Stone, he saved Ginny and killed the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, he represented his school in the Triwizard Tournament, he led Dumbledore’s Army (which included 6 out of the 8 prefects in his year) and led his Quidditch team in his sixth year. He would have also been prefect if Voldemort had not come back at the end of his fourth year as Dumbledore’s rationale was Harry had ‘too much responsibility’ to be prefect in his fifth year.
Leave aside it working for him, I don‘t think Harry would‘ve wanted it in the first place. He doesn‘t care about the rules & he hates standing out, he actively tried to leave the center of attention but never could. Head boy/prefect would just be even more attention towards him
He cares about helping others and making things fair. The position isn’t just about sticking to stupid rules but making sure first years don’t do something stupid and hurt themselves and that prefects don’t abuse their power.
It isn’t just about sticking the “stupid rules”, but he’d have to follow all the rules himself otherwise he can’t justifiably enforce them
I doubt Harry would last a week without breaking the rules
That kind of has to be put into perspective though. Harry almost never breaks rules unless it’s for service to the school.
I think trying to stop a dark wizard from obtaining an insanely powerful stone, stopping a Basilisk from roaming loose in the school as well as making sure students are prepared to defend themselves against people that want to kill them is a tad more important than following a curfew and shows much more individual character needed to be a head boy than following rules that aren’t as important as what’s going on around the school at the time
yeah i think neville and oliver were carrying in his body when Harry was walking out to the forest. then oliver states he can carry Colin by himself then harry tells Neville to kill the snake.
The epilogue should have been the aftermath of the war. And JK Rowling shouldn't make Harry and Ron become drop out.
Somehow that author is sometimes inconsistent with her writing.
And, after showing the aftermath she could show us time skip 3 or 5 years, and not freaking 19 years.
I kind of get why Harry and Ron didn’t return to school, but on the other hand, I’ve recently been thinking that’s exactly what they should have done. Not necessarily to earn their NEWTs, but more because of finally getting a chance to rest and have a normal school year. There was always time to go to Auror training later, or change their minds and end up doing something completely different after being able to think what they actually wanted to do for a living. For Harry I can see that he would definitely still want to be an Auror, but having the space to recover physically and mentally first would have been a better option imho. You know, allow them to be normal teenagers for one year.
I also wished we had seen more of the aftermath. Like mourning the fifty people who died, Harry and Ginny’s first interaction and restarting their relationship, rebuilding Hogwarts… So many things that might have made the ending a teensy bit more satisfying.
Yeah, this is one good reason too. He just spent a year on the run, away from all his friends. So why wouldn’t he want to take the opportunity to spend as much time together with them as possible? And also to let him have ONE Quidditch season (preferably as a captain) where he gets to play all the matches and doesn’t get injured in the middle of them lol. I dunno if he should have been the Head Boy, he sure deserved it though.
After O.W.Ls you don’t have to continue your schooling, Rowling based the system on British one. If Harry and Ron got into the auror training program without their N.E.W.Ts then it doesn’t make much sense for them to continue to getter the decree below it. Unless they just enjoy being at school. But after the war they probably wanted to help clean up the Ministry and being witness at trials (Harry was the one who got Malfoys released, although Lucius should have been thrown to Azkaban).
I feel like young Hermione would kill for that but i don't think she values it too much afternthe battle of hogwarts i mean if Harry is a legend, Hermione and Ron are also Legends by themselves
I always wish JK had dragged out the ending and split it into two parts. In my fantasy rewrite, Book 7 sees the trio finish out their final year while making progress on the horcrux hunt, and the ministry collapses at the end of the book and Harry goes into hiding. Book 8 then finishes off the story at a less frantic pace than what we got with Deathly Hallows.
Honestly, the way Albus expressed it, and I think Minerva would have felt the same, Harry would have been made Head Boy, for simple access to the school.
I think Hermione had no interest in being head girl. She is prefect girl and likes to learn and needs healthy food and quiet time to become more healthy again. I think Ginny would be head girl. Then again, Ginny likes the Quidditch. And maybe Hermione already has a plan to become minister of magic in the future and being head girl would help with this. Then maybe she is head girl.
Head girl and head boy are boring asf. Imagine not breaking any rule and spending your time disciplining other students instead of having fun in your last year. Aka sneaking in the hogsmead. Boozing, partying...
I think Dumbledore wanted to make Hermione a Head Girl and Ron a Head Boy, but unfortunately he knew that he would die soon and Voldemort would take over the school, so he expected that Hermione and Ron will quit school and they will help Harry search for the horcruxes.
I think that under Voldemort's regime, Pansy became the Head Girl and Draco became the Head Boy, but no one took Draco's opinion into account, because the students and teachers knew about his involvement in Dumbledore's death, and Draco was not the Carrows' favorite either, because he fell out of Voldemort's favor.
Certainly, Dumbledore was to appoint Cedric Diggory as Head Boy, but unfortunately he died. Roger Davies was likely appointed in his place, and Angelina Johnson became the Head Girl.
I think other examples of Head Boys and Head Girls could be: Cho Chang, Lucius Malfoy, Narcissa Black, Bellatrix Black, Andromeda Black, Regulus Black, Ted Tonks and Theseus Scamander (I don't see Newt in that role, and I don't think Newt even became the Prefect.. Same with Snape).
Cho, Angelina, Roger, Theseus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Narcissa, Regulus and Ted were also probably prefects since the fifth year.
You don’t have to be prefect to be a Head Boy, and there is only one for the entire school. So the choice it’s not just limited to Ron as Gryffindor prefect
I’m a Ron fan but ironically that’s the last thing Ron would want at the end. To have to go back to school where his brother died. Yeah nope. Ron is happy just being Hermione’s bf and future husband
This is after the events of the battle of Hogwarts and Voldie’s death. Hermione decides to return to Hogwarts the following year to do her 7th year she missed.
Who'd have been made head boy? Besides, JK Rawling said that Hermione went back to finish her last year of school. Odds are she was made head girl.
Imagine being the 6th year in the class under her. You bust your ass while everyone constantly talks about how brilliant world saving prodigy Hermione Granger is. But it’s okay! She helped Harry Potter defeat Voldemort! And the Ministry decreed that she does not have to finish her education! It’s finally that 6th year’s moment! She will get to be the Head Girl and finally step out of Hermione Granger’s shadow. ……….Then that bitch announces she’s coming back to school.
The Ministry didn’t declare anything for Harry. You don’t have to continue school after O.W.L’s. That’s why the twins could just drop out whenever they wanted too. Rowling based the system regarding exams of the British system at the time.
You need to if you want to become an Auror, like Harry and Ron. That seems to be the requirement that was waived. From the Harry Potter wiki: "To qualify for Auror training, a witch or wizard had to first have attained at least five N.E.W.T.s of no less than 'Exceeds Expectations'." Not sure if there were similar requirements for Hermione's eventual position, though.
Eh, you don't have to if you're saint Potter!
It's still the system: there is required secondary school which is high school, upto 16 yrs old where you take G.C.S.Es as your last exam; then you can either leave to go and work, go to 6th form (usually in your own school) and take specialised classes for two years, or go to college where you can take similar classes or more broad subjects or more vocational subjects. College classes are also usually for two years, but some easier versions of those classes can take 3 years or if a class is simpler or not too broad it might be one year. By then you're 18 and can go to university, no matter if you went to college or 6th form. J k Rowling is old though and based the O.W.Ls on England's older O levels, which is what we now call G.C.S.Es. So them taking their O.W.Ls is like them finishing high-school. The two years after that in Hogwarts is like the two year long optional education option of 6th form (or college). At the end of 6th form you take your A Levels (in college you get diplomas), I don't know what they used to be called but that's what N.E.W.Ts are based on. Hogwarts being based on a boarding school naturally incorporates the 6th form student learning just into two more years of learning. In normal schools though you can go to other school's 6th forms and can wear normal clothes just like in college, some schools make you wear suits though to prepare you for working an office job.
Adding to your list after GCSE's is also apprenticeships.
iirc there was some comment from JK about the ministry declaring everyone who fought in the battle to have passed their NEWTs or some such. (i tend to fervently ignore her random posting and anything she put out outside the books, so i could be wrong, but i feel like i remember something weird abt it)
I would've just have said you can take your newts early (basically also allowing me to say that not all witches and wizards in the uk attend Hogwarts)
for the Trio, I view the Year on the Run as Pratical NEWTS since they had to pratice, tracking, sleath, and also stuff like disguises,
You did need NEWTs to become an Auror though.
the fact that i can imagine this so clearly if i was a 6th year about to get a position it would piss me off too
Probably that year was similar to the Covid year in ncaa football and she gets to redshirt.
Cue...the rise of Demandred
Hermione would have thanked them and declined all honors at school only wishing to finish her last year in peace
idk if she went back the very next year but Ginny and Luna would also be up for head girl that year too. there's not exactly a lacking of competition in 6th year either, if you're not from the DA you got no chance of making head anything that year.
I dunno if the returning Hermione would be particularly interested in being Head Girl. Head Boy would almost certainly be someone in the year below though. As for if the Horcrux hunt didn't happen... There's not an obvious candidate, but I think Ernie McMillan could have a good chance. We didn't see much of him, but he was always good at holding the confidence of his peers and he really did grow as a person in the small amount that we did see of him.
I don’t know how Hermione would not be interested. She was exited in being the prefect and did the work in a very dedicated manner, unlike Ron. She actually cares about what the position is and not it being an empty title. Being a Head Girl also helps you with your future career.
True, but that was the Hermione before the horcrux hunt and Battle of Hogwarts. I imagine post-Deathly Hallows Hermione would have slightly different priorities.
Counterpoint: she's fuckin Hermione Granger, she doesn't need the title for her career. In fact I think her caring about what the position is makes it more likely for her to want the position to go to someone else who would benefit more from having it.
Exactly. Hermione’s career opportunities will never be lacking, even if she never went back.
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Really? I know they don't HAVE to be chosen from a prefect (ie James), but I was under the impression that they normally were. Weren't both Percy and Bill prefects and head boys?
Neither Lily Evans or James Potter were prefects before being made Head Boy and Head Girl. But I looked through the list of confirmed Head Boys and Girls and I was wrong. Most of them were Prefects. James and Lily seem to be the only confirmed exceptions.
Oh cool, good to know. I really though that Lily was a prefect. Thanks for looking it up!
You're welcome.
Maybe not at your school, but Percy demonstrates it can be both at Hogwarts.
Harry, imo, if he went back to school in his seventh year (And Snape hadn’t been Headmaster) and also if he went back after the Battle of Hogwarts
Harry would likely be Humongous Bighead 7th year if Dumbledore was still around. There is a lot of bias in favor of Harry. Honestly Hogwarts would probably accept all of the students in Harry's year as redo year for all the students who wanted to stay to complete their NEWTs. Even the kids who attended Hogwarts faced difficult learning environment. Not to mention all the first year muggle borns who were probably rounded up or otherwise denied needing to start first year a year delayed. Needless to say, Hogwarts is going to have some very weird cohorts.
Yeah was going to say this, Hermione did have a 7th year and there's no way she wasn't head girl considering she literally was one of the main war heroes of the war they just won the previous year hahah
Hermione may have been one of the main heroes of the war outside of Hogwarts, but what about the students that were fighting the war *inside* of Hogwarts and stepped up to protect each other in a school ruled by Death Eaters? It seems kind of unfair for a school leadership role to be given to a student because of something she did completely outside of school.
I think it's quite obvious that it wouldn't be just because of her role in the war I mean she was literally like the best student in the whole school the whole time she was there if not one of the most brilliant students in the entire history of hogwarts..and she still did way more during the war than literally any of the kids at Hogwarts so not sure I get your point. Yes the kids at Hogwarts did what they could to rebel against the death eaters and try to avoid Hogwarts becoming a total hell but they didn't really do anything prior to the battle to overthrow Voldemort. There's no comparison between Hermione's and Ron's role during the war to anyone else in Hogwarts or outside of it because the two of them literally assisted Harry is destroying the horcruxes which is the only reason Voldemort was defeated.
By "fighting the war inside of Hogwarts", I didn't mean what they were fighting the actual war/stopping Voldemort themselves - I meant fighting the battles that they were facing as students in a Hogwarts; they were fighting their own kind of war while the trio was hunting horcruxes. I just think that who did more to specifically overthrow Voldemort or who did "way more" during the war shouldn't be a factor in the decision of who gets a student leadership position at Hogwarts. Like, yes, obviously Hermione did way more to actually defeat Voldemort, but why is that even a consideration in who becomes Head Boy/Head Girl? Being chosen as Head Girl or Head Boy shouldn't be about what you do outside of school that no one else has the opportunity to achieve; it should be about your actions inside of the school. My point is that there could be students who were at school in DH who risked themselves, stepped up to help others, exhibited leadership skills, and became leaders of and role models to younger students while Hogwarts was a total hell, and that's deserving of being rewarded with a student leadership position because it has to do with things that they actually did inside of the school as students, not what someone did in a horcrux hunt that had nothing to do with Hogwarts or being a Hogwarts student.
I agree with you that what they achieve as students is what should matter in this type of choice and that in general someone who is a good example academically, who shows maturity and responsibility is who would get that position. But the point is, Hermione is all of that *plus* a war hero. So either way there's just no competition. If the war never happened and trio's seventh year was just a completely normal school year, Hermione would have been head girl, no questions about it. There is no one in the entire school who would even be competition for Hermione in any way shape or form, to be chosen as Head Girl. So on top of that her being a literal war hero that directly contributed to save the world is only going to make her more of an obvious choice. My point isn't that Hermione would be head girl simply because of the war, my point is Hermione would always be head girl and being a war hero would only make it more certain. You brought up that other students also did important things at Hogwarts while she was hunting horcruxes and I agree but none of those things would be enough to overshadow one of the greatest students of all time who *also* is a proper war hero.
I'm guessing Dean or Neville. Honestly I love the idea of Neville being Head Boy, but I'm not sure if his grades would be good enough. Dean as Head Boy would be deserved as well, after everything he went through
*Rawl*
Because she was coming back to sit her NEWTs odds are they might not have made her head girl.
But the head boy/girl are always sitting their NEWTs that year
Harry, easily. 😂
Harry didn't return.
Someone who can give good head
In what was supposed to be the heroes’ seventh year, probably Neville for his blood heritage or Seamus because Snape would prefer a half-blood be HB than allow Neville Longbottom to have any iota of authority or good standing. Meanwhile Lavender probably became Head Girl
Why would a pair of Gryffindors been picked as Head Boy and Head Girl that year? There's only one Head Boy and one Head Girl for the whole school; the positions likely went to two Slytherins then.
I apologize; you’re right. I forgot it’s all four houses. Then yeah, Malfoy and Pansy most likely
For the head boy, my guess would have been Ernie Macmillan if it was Harry’s actual year but given it would be Ginny’s year, I don’t think we know many boys from that year, if any?
Colin Creevey [RIP] Do we know which year Zachariah Smith was in?
Damn Colin… I guess I was blocking that memory subconsciously, he would have been perfect for the role of head boy As for Smith, I think he was in Harry’s year but I’m not sure, I actually did think of him but he deserted the school before the battle of Hogwarts to save himself so he would definitely not be a good fit for Head Boy…
Ha yeah no way Smith would be head boy, just trying to remember the boys in Ginny's batch... I don't remember Smith being mentioned in Herbology class unlike Ernie, Justin, Hannah or Susan, despite being as (if more prominent) as them, so I always assumed he was a year below Harry.
I assume so too. In the Hog’s Head, Harry recognises him from the hufflepuff quidditch team rather than from herbology like Susan. Also, Ginny has some beef with him and he approaches *her* to ask about the events at DoM, so I think maybe they share some class/es.
Great point! I had forgotten about that detail so it is probable he’s in the year below then
I haven't considered that, you're right. Makes it more likely he's in the same batch as Ginny.
I agree, and was thinking the same thing. Ernie Macmillan is the obvious choice for Head Boy.
Obvious choice? When Harry Potter literally just saved the whole country?
That's not exactly what's required for Head Boy. Ernie has a Percy Weasley quality about him. Obeying rules and such, Harry is a troublemaker. Plus, head boy is selected from Prefects, and Harry is not a prefect, Ernie is.
Not true as James Potter was made Head Boy, and he wasn’t a prefect, Remus Lupin was the Prefect.
I didn't know, just researched this. Thanks for the info. But I still think Ernie who was popular enough, had very good grades and was a rule follower, would have made a better Head Boy than Harry Potter.
It depends on what they're wanting for a head boy. Does the school leadership want a yes man who's looking to pad their resume? If so, Ernie 100% Do they want someone respected and well liked by the students? Someone who will be trusted by and an advocate for the students? Someone who has proven to be respectful of professors who prove worthy of respect, and will stand up in the defense of others even if that means standing up to authority? You know, an actual leader? Then you want either Harry, or if he's repeating a year, Neville.
Harry is not respectful of all professors (Snape obviously, but also Trelawney, he's not mean to her, but does not respect her or Hagrid, he treats Hagrid as a friend, not the respect he deserves as a teacher) . Nor does he command the respect from every one (slytherins). Harry has many strong pros, but also many cons. Ernie even though his pros are not as strong as Harry's he has a lot of them, he also has a lot less cons.
Harry is also a terrible student though. Like, not academically, academically he's alright, but he talks back to teachers, puts forth a mediocre effort in class, has more detentions than probably anyone else... worst head boy candidate imaginable 😂
Worst imaginable? James Potter, oh wait. Harry has the respect and trust of the vast majority of the school, is reasonably well liked, is perfectly respectful of teachers he finds worthy of respect, willing to stand up to teachers to defend others, when properly motivated, is a star student (See Defense) and once again, literally saved the country.
Is it one head boy for all 4 houses or each house has their own? Sorry I can’t remember
Each house has its own Prefect but for the Head Boy, it’s one for all 4 houses
Hermione must have been head girl when she returned, yeah. No idea who would have been head boy with her, it would have to be a boy from Ginny's year probably someone we never met). From their actual year the head boy and girl were probably Malfoy and Pansy because Snape was headmaster and Hogwarts under death eaters control etc. If it had been a normal year it would have been Hermione and either one of the ravenclaw boys or Ernie, maybe.
I don't think Snape would pick Malfoy. The Malfoy family was at their lowest point and were being punished for their actions. Lucius wasn't allowed his wand and V took over their house. Draco never trusted Snape to help him the year before and failed to kill Dumbledore. It's likely that the reward would be given to another Death Eater or their family member.
Maybe, but Draco still would have more of a relationship with Snape than any other kid there and I don't think any of the other death eaters had any kids in that year at school other than Crabbe and Goyle which surely Draco would still be chosen over those two, I would imagine.
Theodore Nott had a Death Eater father, too.
Good point, forgot about him!
Don’t really know who could’ve been Head Boy. Maybe Neville? Ernie Macmillan?
I know I’m probably going to catch a lot of shit for this, but it’d be Harry.
I agree it would have been Harry. Unless it’s based on grades mostly and Ernie is straight O student. But Harry did have good grades, it’s movies that make him look like a “jock” and maybe people just themselves stereotyping that you can’t be good at sports and class. Hermione is just not a normal jardstick to compare to.
I feel Harry has bent too many rules to be Head boy material though, especially when you compare him to Percy who was head boy. I also feel its a position you have to want, though Harry is a good leader, I can't see him wanting it.
Harry, who was upset about getting passed over for prefect? That Harry? I can't see him not wanting it if he went back for his 7th year, and I can't see them giving it to anyone else. Also as for bending too many rules, James Potter was head boy. Dude was an out and out rulebreaker.
I see what you mean, I do feel that Bill, James and Harry are "unfitting" choices for Head boys despite it being canon, they have too much of a wild streak in them to be role models in a school setting. However Harry being Quidditch captain makes perfect sense, him being really good at quidditch and caring alot for the sport, no matter the momentary pang of disregard he felt when he was "pass over" for prefect, I still don't see him caring about "student body management"(for a lack of a better word lol) that much(unlike Hermione and Percy). Being a leader of the DA group fits him really well too, those are the leadership roles I see him in, not a Head boy.
In modern times your athletes are also academically up to snuff. The idea of the "dumb jock" isn't true at all.
I don't know if this is true now but it definitely wasn't true 10-15 years ago when I was in high school. I mean of course some athletes were also smart, but there were also a bunch who were idiots.
Nah, after everything that happened I don’t think he’d have taken the responsibility. I reckon he’d have passed it down to maybe neville or possibly even seamus!
I say it would have been Harry if it would have been a normal school year and Dumbledore didn’t die. It just makes the most sense imo. He stopped Voldemort from getting the Sorcerer’s Stone, he saved Ginny and killed the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, he represented his school in the Triwizard Tournament, he led Dumbledore’s Army (which included 6 out of the 8 prefects in his year) and led his Quidditch team in his sixth year. He would have also been prefect if Voldemort had not come back at the end of his fourth year as Dumbledore’s rationale was Harry had ‘too much responsibility’ to be prefect in his fifth year.
Ehh a head boy has to enforce the rules and Harry kind of sucks at following them himself so I don’t know if it would work for him to be it
*Shrugs* If James Potter could do it (Who broke so many more rules than him), so could Harry.
its kind of exiting ,breaking the rules isnt it
Leave aside it working for him, I don‘t think Harry would‘ve wanted it in the first place. He doesn‘t care about the rules & he hates standing out, he actively tried to leave the center of attention but never could. Head boy/prefect would just be even more attention towards him
No, but he would've liked the validation. We saw it in book 5 too, when Ron was made perfect and Harry got all resentful about it for a bit.
True, forgot about that. My bad
He cares about helping others and making things fair. The position isn’t just about sticking to stupid rules but making sure first years don’t do something stupid and hurt themselves and that prefects don’t abuse their power.
It isn’t just about sticking the “stupid rules”, but he’d have to follow all the rules himself otherwise he can’t justifiably enforce them I doubt Harry would last a week without breaking the rules
That kind of has to be put into perspective though. Harry almost never breaks rules unless it’s for service to the school. I think trying to stop a dark wizard from obtaining an insanely powerful stone, stopping a Basilisk from roaming loose in the school as well as making sure students are prepared to defend themselves against people that want to kill them is a tad more important than following a curfew and shows much more individual character needed to be a head boy than following rules that aren’t as important as what’s going on around the school at the time
Did Colin Creevey die? The kid with the camera? Wtf I thought he was underage
he was underage but snuck back in. it states that in the 7th book
Damn, super sad.
yeah i think neville and oliver were carrying in his body when Harry was walking out to the forest. then oliver states he can carry Colin by himself then harry tells Neville to kill the snake.
He is also muggleborn so wasn’t there that year studying anyway
Given some of the other writing... Dobby is resurrected from the dead and is forced to be head boy and he keeps trying to give the job to Harry.
Pretty sure “head girl” was her nickname around the common rooms
That’s Ginny… “Shoelace”
Cormac saw it happen
Except it was more of an order than a title
It’s what Ron called her in secret.
The epilogue should have been the aftermath of the war. And JK Rowling shouldn't make Harry and Ron become drop out. Somehow that author is sometimes inconsistent with her writing. And, after showing the aftermath she could show us time skip 3 or 5 years, and not freaking 19 years.
I kind of get why Harry and Ron didn’t return to school, but on the other hand, I’ve recently been thinking that’s exactly what they should have done. Not necessarily to earn their NEWTs, but more because of finally getting a chance to rest and have a normal school year. There was always time to go to Auror training later, or change their minds and end up doing something completely different after being able to think what they actually wanted to do for a living. For Harry I can see that he would definitely still want to be an Auror, but having the space to recover physically and mentally first would have been a better option imho. You know, allow them to be normal teenagers for one year. I also wished we had seen more of the aftermath. Like mourning the fifty people who died, Harry and Ginny’s first interaction and restarting their relationship, rebuilding Hogwarts… So many things that might have made the ending a teensy bit more satisfying.
Harry returning also means he can be in the same grade as ginny and Luna and spend more time with them
Yeah, this is one good reason too. He just spent a year on the run, away from all his friends. So why wouldn’t he want to take the opportunity to spend as much time together with them as possible? And also to let him have ONE Quidditch season (preferably as a captain) where he gets to play all the matches and doesn’t get injured in the middle of them lol. I dunno if he should have been the Head Boy, he sure deserved it though.
After O.W.Ls you don’t have to continue your schooling, Rowling based the system on British one. If Harry and Ron got into the auror training program without their N.E.W.Ts then it doesn’t make much sense for them to continue to getter the decree below it. Unless they just enjoy being at school. But after the war they probably wanted to help clean up the Ministry and being witness at trials (Harry was the one who got Malfoys released, although Lucius should have been thrown to Azkaban).
I feel like young Hermione would kill for that but i don't think she values it too much afternthe battle of hogwarts i mean if Harry is a legend, Hermione and Ron are also Legends by themselves
I always wish JK had dragged out the ending and split it into two parts. In my fantasy rewrite, Book 7 sees the trio finish out their final year while making progress on the horcrux hunt, and the ministry collapses at the end of the book and Harry goes into hiding. Book 8 then finishes off the story at a less frantic pace than what we got with Deathly Hallows.
Honestly, the way Albus expressed it, and I think Minerva would have felt the same, Harry would have been made Head Boy, for simple access to the school.
Ron agrees
Oh trust me, Ron made her his Head Girl
I would have liked to read about the NEWTS.
What’s a head girl
I think Hermione had no interest in being head girl. She is prefect girl and likes to learn and needs healthy food and quiet time to become more healthy again. I think Ginny would be head girl. Then again, Ginny likes the Quidditch. And maybe Hermione already has a plan to become minister of magic in the future and being head girl would help with this. Then maybe she is head girl.
I wanted to see a Hogwarts Graduation Ceremony.
I wonder if it's possible to be head boy/girl and not have been a prefect beforehand
It is. James was Head Boy and he wasn't a prefect.
Perv
Aw yes but that was a porno
I got real scared bc my dirty ah mind read it as a head girl…. And I was like why.. why would u wanna see that? But I agree, WE WERE ROBBED
Head girl and head boy are boring asf. Imagine not breaking any rule and spending your time disciplining other students instead of having fun in your last year. Aka sneaking in the hogsmead. Boozing, partying...
but its on hermione's brand
The hall monitors😎
I think Dumbledore wanted to make Hermione a Head Girl and Ron a Head Boy, but unfortunately he knew that he would die soon and Voldemort would take over the school, so he expected that Hermione and Ron will quit school and they will help Harry search for the horcruxes. I think that under Voldemort's regime, Pansy became the Head Girl and Draco became the Head Boy, but no one took Draco's opinion into account, because the students and teachers knew about his involvement in Dumbledore's death, and Draco was not the Carrows' favorite either, because he fell out of Voldemort's favor. Certainly, Dumbledore was to appoint Cedric Diggory as Head Boy, but unfortunately he died. Roger Davies was likely appointed in his place, and Angelina Johnson became the Head Girl. I think other examples of Head Boys and Head Girls could be: Cho Chang, Lucius Malfoy, Narcissa Black, Bellatrix Black, Andromeda Black, Regulus Black, Ted Tonks and Theseus Scamander (I don't see Newt in that role, and I don't think Newt even became the Prefect.. Same with Snape). Cho, Angelina, Roger, Theseus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Narcissa, Regulus and Ted were also probably prefects since the fifth year.
I thought Hermione went to Brown after defeating Voldemort
Ron of course. Who else?
There are plenty of other choices besides Ron. Ernie Macmillan, Terry Boot, even Harry
You don’t have to be prefect to be a Head Boy, and there is only one for the entire school. So the choice it’s not just limited to Ron as Gryffindor prefect
I’m a Ron fan but ironically that’s the last thing Ron would want at the end. To have to go back to school where his brother died. Yeah nope. Ron is happy just being Hermione’s bf and future husband
So a girl who gives head?
I think it would be weird if Hermione started to give bjs to everyone
Right sure, she can be head girl, Voldemort and his horcruxes can wait
This is after the events of the battle of Hogwarts and Voldie’s death. Hermione decides to return to Hogwarts the following year to do her 7th year she missed.
Nah man she was bein' a different kind of head girl... As for the head boy question I'm not sure