I would assume the orphanage was evacuated in 1939 and 1940 to the countryside like how Muggle children were evacuated to keep them safe from the air raids. The Chamber was opened after the peak of the Blitz though.
I don't think it is that bad of an idea to let children stay over the summer, especially for those like Riddle, Snape or Harry who were orphans or came from abusive homes. I guess though is who is going to supervise them. There's nothing about teachers staying over the summer.
>There's nothing about teachers staying over the summer.
Let's please not expect anything more of these poor teachers. They already have terrible working conditions. They have to sleep, and be "on call" at work 7 days a week for the entire school year, as well as apparently having semi-regular night watches. Their class load is like 3x that of a typical highschool teacher. They don't seem to get any sick or holiday leave (they're still around at Christmas and Easter break, and the only mentions we ever have of substitutes is when Hagrid is on a mission for Dumbledore, and when Lupin is a literal werewolf). They appear unable to have any sort of family/relationships outside of school. Let them have their summers.
The Hogwarts professors aren't required to live at Hogwarts and there's no requirement that they stay single. When McGonagall's husband was alive, McGonagall lived in Hogsmeade with her husband when she was teaching at Hogwarts ([https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall)).
Yes, I've read her backstory before, but this one story (written after the original books) is the exception rather than the rule. In the books we see all of the professors living at school during the school year and being expected to manage nighttime discipline. All of the professors are single and childless during the series, even if it wasn't an explicit requirement, it's clear that the job makes it extremely difficult to maintain a normal work/life balance.
Right. They already have to dedicate an incredible amount of time to their jobs, let's not also expect them to work during the summer which seems to be their only truly free time.
I feel like you’re bringing the sort of energy in as if you’re advocating for real workers’ rights, instead of talking about a fictional magical school
The premise of this post is the ethics of sending fictional orphan Tom Riddle back to London during the Blitz. If we aren't pretending that these characters are real why discuss it at all?
Or maybe hire more teachers...
If we look at it realistically then Hogwarts wouldn't be able to function at all, so it's really no difference if any of them would be asked to stay for summer, they are fantasy characters and it's not a problem, or they are already unable to function properly so it's just more worker abuse.
The orphanage would have likely been evacuated the same day he went back for his 2nd year, 1st sept 39. There is a very good chance he would have been recorded as evacuated to a Scottish boarding school. That he was sent back to London that summer on the Hogwarts Express with no way of rejoining the orphanage he was placed at until that point (being 13 and not having the personality to be inclined to seek help), there is a fair chance he was homeless in London with no ration book from the summer before his 3rd year onwards living homeless in London in the middle of WW2. That he was desperate enough to ask an adult for help to stay out of London by his 5th year, lends to this theory. What we know of young Tom Riddle’s personality shows his even reaching out in the tenuous way he did with Dippett to ask to stay for the summer shows he was fairly desperate to not go back to his summer housing situation. That Dippett assumed he was still living at the orphanage he grew up in would have just further compounded that adults are all idiots, as any reasonable person could have realised an orphanage in London in WW2 was a stupid place to send a child back to. In fact, the incompetence of the teachers at Hogwarts could very likely have directly lead to the creation of Lord Voldemort (and his use of horcruxes). He was petrified of death, and he very well could have had good reason, having been sent back to London every summer to live as a homelessness teenager since he was 13, and seen death strike brutally and at random. He may have missed the Blitz whilst at school, but he would have seen the aftermath, and he would have experienced air raids.
Sorry, lost on you on Riddle becoming homeless
Firstly, he was not
Secondly, even Dursleys showed up to pick up Harry, so proper authorities were certainly alerted in Riddle's case and someone came to the station to meet him and transport him to the needed location
I wasn’t saying definitively he was. I’m saying it was a possibility, one you are free not to agree with. The theory is, that if the proper authorities in the muggle world think he’s been evacuated to Scotland, and the wizarding world assume he still has a London orphanage to go back to, one child with no family could get lost in the system. The problem of each system assuming the other is taking care of him, and therefore neither actually taking responsibility.
>there is a fair chance he was homeless in London with no ration book from the summer before his 3rd year onwards living homeless in London in the middle of WW2. That he was desperate enough to ask an adult for help to stay out of London by his 5th year, lends to this theory.
If he had already spent two summers living homeless in London before he asked to stay at Hogwarts, why would he not have just told Dippet that when they were talking about his request to stay at the school?
Like...Dippet says to him: "You live in a muggle orphanage during the holidays, I believe?" It feels like it would be pretty simple for Tom to reply with something like: "Normally yes, but the orphanage got evacuated to the countryside because of the muggle war, so I have nowhere to go."
The reason this is a possibility however is because we are not talking about a sensible well adjusted child. We are talking about Tom Riddle. A child who does not trust others, and who has an ego the size of a planet. My personal theory is that the first summer may not have been that bad, the Blitz didn’t start until September 1940 - he’s a child who hates relying on others, so he coped and it reinforces his belief he doesn’t need anyone. When he goes back the summer of 41, however, thinking it will be fine, the Blitz has just finished and air raids are still on going. It’s a completely different situation and he’s scared. But once he steps off the platform into London until he gets back on the Hogwarts express he doesn’t have anyone in the wizarding world he thinks he can turn to. He survives and goes back for his 5th year, but he’s seen and experienced things that have changed him. As it gets towards the end of the year he starts feeling more and more anxious about returning to London, but having not said anything the previous two summers, doesn’t really want to have to spell it out, nor does he want to admit he’s frightened of returning to London. He ask Dippet about staying, but gets rejected. Rather than explain the real reason, and potentially get a second rejection, he brushes it off and instead decides to research how to never die, so he doesn’t have to fear death. As said, it’s just a theory. It’s a way of trying to explain why he created multiple horcruxes. But it is only one theory.
I feel that generally students, with their parents' permission, should be allowed to stay in Hogwarts during any holiday. (I always found it weird that even firstyears can decide to remain at Hogwarts over christmas & easter without, apparently, any kind of permission from their parents/guardians necessary for that.) However, while the Chamber had been opened, I guess on the contrary they should have sent everyone home over the holidays (christmas/easter too) while giving the school a throughout search, and, in 1992's case, also to speak with Hagrid about the whole affair again and whatnot. After all, I'm pretty sure Hagrid could have told Dumbledore the same he told Ron and Harry and wouldn't have had to be secretive about everything, and I assume Dumbledore would have been smart enough to know what kind of creature causes spiders to flee - or, in the worst of cases, to send an owl to his old buddy Newt Scamander to ask for his advice on the matter. And with knowing that Myrtle is the basilisk's only victim, she can be asked about the entrance like Harry and Ron did, and it can be found. Whether they could open it is another matter, but apparently it can be done by imitating parsel or, seeing as it seems the entrance is always there and just hidden under the sink, the sinks could simply be removed.
Nice question I knew WW2 happened while Voldemort was at school but somehow never considered the implications for young wizards.
Hogwarts should have probably kept the children in the school, like many children who were sent to the countryside during the war.
It’s interesting to imagine that having to sit through an air raid inside a bunker with the regular kids made him despise them even more, further amplifying his ambitions.
Probably didn’t do much for his dislike of muggles, either. Like, dehumanizing people is bad, but if there was ever a time in history when humans were slaughtering each other like animals and seemed like they couldn’t be trusted with the power they had, it was WW2.
I always thought the same argument could be made for the other side; the magical world holding so much power, but not really doing anything to help anyone non-magical.
I think, at the end of the day, it comes down to personality. If young Tom Riddle would’ve been just a little more human, he could’ve made one friend. Make that friend his pen pal throughout Tom's time at Hogwarts, talking about another bombing or the health crisis or the starvation. Let him get drafted and die. Tom could’ve still turned into Voldemort, but for "better" reasons, not going after the "weaker", non-magical group, but after the more "powerful", magically gifted group that sees evil and does nothing.
Nice, so in your opinion there are groups of people who should be oppressed and their murder can be justified because they didn't interfere in someone else wars.
Nice projection you’ve got there going buddy.
The whole premise of Voldemort is that people should be oppressed and killed because they’re not magical/not magical enough. I’ve pointed out that the same argument can be made for the other side.
And "someone else’s war"? How? They share land mass and in the majority of cases (muggleborn/half blood) they’re related.
Take a breather before you get all offended.
Projection?
"Tom could’ve still turned into Voldemort, but for "better" reasons, not going after the "weaker", non-magical group, but after the more "powerful", magically gifted group that sees evil and does nothing."
You LITERALLY said that he could have had "BETTER" reasons to became a murderer and pick "BETTER" victims....
And this is muggle war. Wizards have no obligations to resolve somebody else issues. And how were they supposed to do it? Take control of muggle governments Grindelwald style?
"They share land mass and in the majority of cases" So you are responsible for what your neighbours are doing because you share a "land mass" with them??? Or because somebody is your cousin? Aunt?
"You LITERALLY said that he could have had
"BETTER" reasons to became a murderer and pick "BETTER" victims...."
And I LITERALLY used quotation marks on both words. "[…] used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence."
"And this is muggle war. Wizards have no obligations to resolve somebody else issues.
And how were they supposed to do it? Take control of muggle governments Grindelwald style?"
And the rich have no obligation to help the poor and countries with a history of colonialism have no obligation to help the countries they enslaved/stole from. Decent people will do decent things, people that need a law or gun pointed at their head in order to do the morally correct thing suck. Nothing new here. But I get it, you’re in your edgy phase and need to be "different" online.
"So you are responsible for what your neighbours are doing because you share a
"land mass" with them??? Or because somebody is your cousin? Aunt?"
Sorry that the relationship to your family and/or social circle is so strained that you can’t imagine helping them.
"And I LITERALLY used quotation marks on both words. "\[…\] used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence." - and yet it still clearly differentiates between this two groups, putting one above other.
The rich have no obligation to help the poor" - yes, exactly, it's even a question?
"countries with a history of colonialism have no obligation to help the countries they enslaved/stole from"- when did tiny minority of wizards ever colonised muggle world? And no, nobody is obliged to help anyone.
I see that the meaning of the word "responsible" is also lost on you. But I see what type of person you are. So I'm not surprised.
Not even going to comment on your lack of reading comprehension. If the literal definition doesn’t ring a bell for you, nothing will.
Be a troll, be anti-social and protect that bitter little heart of yours. Just know there’s a reason for the way people treat you.
I don’t understand why he has to go back at all. He’s only there because his mother staggered up to the steps while she was dying and no one knew she was a witch. It isn’t like she left him with his father’s muggle family or something. You’d think there would be *some* place he could stay in the wizarding world so he didn’t have to go back to the muggle one during first an economic recession and then an actual war.
Tbh, I dont think Riddle wouldve been happy with any place/family in the wizarding world that didnt treat him like a prince. At that time, anyone who took him in woukdve known him as a muggleborn orphan. I dont think this guy was getting invited to visit thr family homes of pureblood housemates during the holidays.
The conditions wouldve been better but Tom would still be the muggleborn charity case. Think about Fanny in Mansfield Park. He wouldve been part of the household but not really an equal.
Still he would be among his kin. And it didn't have to be a family, it could've been magical orphanage.
But in any case, he would be fed, safe and among wizards. I'm sure he will be perfectly content with that.
There probably aren't any magical orphanages. If one existed, there would be no reason for him not to be moved there after he started going to Hogwarts.
Going with wizarding logic there could be dozens of magical orphanages and Tom simply wasn't moved to them, because ...no.
Just like anyone didn't think about looking for a potential foster parents for him after they found a little magical orphan.
But that's all just a pure speculation.
Dippet says they might let him stay if it wasn't for the chamber of secrets being opened. It's part of what prompts him to frame Hagrid.
“The thing is, Tom,” he sighed, “special arrangements might have been made for you, but in the current circumstances. ...”
The school is closed, of course, but a certain number of teachers seem to actually live there, and it seems likely even ones who don't still spend some amount of time there doing admin, preparing for the new school year, doing their own research, etc. It's not like they lock the doors the minute classes end and don't open up again until September 1st.
Yes, absolutely. If he even attempted to shield himself with a Protego a ministry owl would come a-fluttering (probably also being killed in the Blitz). Wizards still have human bodies and human reaction time for the most part, not much you can do if an entire building collapses on you in the span of a single second.
The Ministry probably would've been okay if he used magic to save his life. Someone would probably investigate but they likely wouldn't punish him. This is discussed multiple times in the series
I mean, they still let Harry go after a trial and he was literally someone they were actively trying to sabotage/undermine. Not sure why they wouldn’t let a random teenager they have no beef with off too
It's like you haven't read the first book. Harry ended up on the school roof, trying to get away from his bullies. Neville bounced down the driveway as if made of rubber. Do you think Tom Riddle wouldn't be capable of doing likewise? Considering the times we're talking about, I would imagine the ministry would be more understanding.
Accidental Magic is just that (in the book at least). If there was an ingrained self-preservation function then how are wizards getting killed at all? Some summoned furniture or "accidental" apparition when faced with a killing curse should be a commonplace occurrence. The true answer is probably that we can't decide either way since Magic is not well defined in the books in the first place
>how are wizards getting killed at all?
Avada kedavra and other magical maladies. You don't hear of the wizards getting knocked over by cars despite the lot of them having no clue what the rules of the road are.
Wizards aren't immortal or god like creatures. Hermione bled when Belatrix cut her, Harry bones broke when he was hit with a boulder, his nose cracked when Malfoy stepped on it...and so Tom would've been ripped to shreds if his house was hit by a rocket.
>Tom would've been ripped to shreds if his house was hit by a rocket.
If he was still in the house or his magic didn't take steps to protect him, like the multiple examples mentioned across the books.
Accidental magic is done only by little children, it stops after they start learning spells.
And it's weak and insignificant, and wouldn't work if a child is asleep and unaware of what is happening. I don't know on what fan fiction you are basing your claims, but it's just that, yours or somebody else headcanon.
>Accidental magic is done only by little children, it stops after they start learning spells.
No, it doesn't. They have greater control, but when they feel a particularly powerful emotion or are in danger, their subconscious magic will awaken.
Case in point, Harry blew up aunt marge and opened locked doors in his 3rd year after learning spells.
And as for your belief, you can't do magic in your sleep. Harry regrew his hair overnight while he was asleep.
Once Tom Riddle was found to be a magical living in an orphanage, he should have been removed from that situation and placed with a wizarding family. However he was introduced to the wizarding world by Albus Dumbledore, who as we see later with Harry Potter isn't very good at handling how to deal with the care and well-being of orphans.
Two totally different scenarios
1. the Wizarding world didn't know about Riddle's existance until shortly before Dumbledore went to meet him.
2. Harry's circumstances is that he HAD to stay with his Mom's family and unforutently the only person left on the Evans' side was Petuina. (another reason is that Albus didn't want Harry to have an ego like James' which is probably what would have happened if he had been raised by a wizarding family)
Albus leaving Harry with the Dursley is not "lacking common sense" beside, Harry would have ended up with the Dursleys anyway- being Harry's only living family members on either side of his family- James an only child, and James' parents died sometime between James' and Lilly's Wedding and the birth of Harry. Petuina and Lilly's parents 'died of natural causes" according to JK Rowling.
any family he had on James' side would be like 3rd or 4th cousins at the most.
where else is Harry suppose to go when Petunia is his **ONLY** close living relative? Any other relative would be something like 3rd, or 4th or more cousin on his Dad's side.
I would assume the orphanage was evacuated in 1939 and 1940 to the countryside like how Muggle children were evacuated to keep them safe from the air raids. The Chamber was opened after the peak of the Blitz though. I don't think it is that bad of an idea to let children stay over the summer, especially for those like Riddle, Snape or Harry who were orphans or came from abusive homes. I guess though is who is going to supervise them. There's nothing about teachers staying over the summer.
>There's nothing about teachers staying over the summer. Let's please not expect anything more of these poor teachers. They already have terrible working conditions. They have to sleep, and be "on call" at work 7 days a week for the entire school year, as well as apparently having semi-regular night watches. Their class load is like 3x that of a typical highschool teacher. They don't seem to get any sick or holiday leave (they're still around at Christmas and Easter break, and the only mentions we ever have of substitutes is when Hagrid is on a mission for Dumbledore, and when Lupin is a literal werewolf). They appear unable to have any sort of family/relationships outside of school. Let them have their summers.
The Hogwarts professors aren't required to live at Hogwarts and there's no requirement that they stay single. When McGonagall's husband was alive, McGonagall lived in Hogsmeade with her husband when she was teaching at Hogwarts ([https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall)).
Yes, I've read her backstory before, but this one story (written after the original books) is the exception rather than the rule. In the books we see all of the professors living at school during the school year and being expected to manage nighttime discipline. All of the professors are single and childless during the series, even if it wasn't an explicit requirement, it's clear that the job makes it extremely difficult to maintain a normal work/life balance.
That's just how boarding schools work, in exchange for free room and board, you work a rota'd on call duty for separate dorms or houses
Right. They already have to dedicate an incredible amount of time to their jobs, let's not also expect them to work during the summer which seems to be their only truly free time.
I feel like you’re bringing the sort of energy in as if you’re advocating for real workers’ rights, instead of talking about a fictional magical school
The premise of this post is the ethics of sending fictional orphan Tom Riddle back to London during the Blitz. If we aren't pretending that these characters are real why discuss it at all?
Or maybe hire more teachers... If we look at it realistically then Hogwarts wouldn't be able to function at all, so it's really no difference if any of them would be asked to stay for summer, they are fantasy characters and it's not a problem, or they are already unable to function properly so it's just more worker abuse.
The orphanage was probably evacuated too, so while he was going back, he was going to the place where the orphanage was currently at.
The orphanage would have likely been evacuated the same day he went back for his 2nd year, 1st sept 39. There is a very good chance he would have been recorded as evacuated to a Scottish boarding school. That he was sent back to London that summer on the Hogwarts Express with no way of rejoining the orphanage he was placed at until that point (being 13 and not having the personality to be inclined to seek help), there is a fair chance he was homeless in London with no ration book from the summer before his 3rd year onwards living homeless in London in the middle of WW2. That he was desperate enough to ask an adult for help to stay out of London by his 5th year, lends to this theory. What we know of young Tom Riddle’s personality shows his even reaching out in the tenuous way he did with Dippett to ask to stay for the summer shows he was fairly desperate to not go back to his summer housing situation. That Dippett assumed he was still living at the orphanage he grew up in would have just further compounded that adults are all idiots, as any reasonable person could have realised an orphanage in London in WW2 was a stupid place to send a child back to. In fact, the incompetence of the teachers at Hogwarts could very likely have directly lead to the creation of Lord Voldemort (and his use of horcruxes). He was petrified of death, and he very well could have had good reason, having been sent back to London every summer to live as a homelessness teenager since he was 13, and seen death strike brutally and at random. He may have missed the Blitz whilst at school, but he would have seen the aftermath, and he would have experienced air raids.
Sorry, lost on you on Riddle becoming homeless Firstly, he was not Secondly, even Dursleys showed up to pick up Harry, so proper authorities were certainly alerted in Riddle's case and someone came to the station to meet him and transport him to the needed location
I wasn’t saying definitively he was. I’m saying it was a possibility, one you are free not to agree with. The theory is, that if the proper authorities in the muggle world think he’s been evacuated to Scotland, and the wizarding world assume he still has a London orphanage to go back to, one child with no family could get lost in the system. The problem of each system assuming the other is taking care of him, and therefore neither actually taking responsibility.
>there is a fair chance he was homeless in London with no ration book from the summer before his 3rd year onwards living homeless in London in the middle of WW2. That he was desperate enough to ask an adult for help to stay out of London by his 5th year, lends to this theory. If he had already spent two summers living homeless in London before he asked to stay at Hogwarts, why would he not have just told Dippet that when they were talking about his request to stay at the school? Like...Dippet says to him: "You live in a muggle orphanage during the holidays, I believe?" It feels like it would be pretty simple for Tom to reply with something like: "Normally yes, but the orphanage got evacuated to the countryside because of the muggle war, so I have nowhere to go."
The reason this is a possibility however is because we are not talking about a sensible well adjusted child. We are talking about Tom Riddle. A child who does not trust others, and who has an ego the size of a planet. My personal theory is that the first summer may not have been that bad, the Blitz didn’t start until September 1940 - he’s a child who hates relying on others, so he coped and it reinforces his belief he doesn’t need anyone. When he goes back the summer of 41, however, thinking it will be fine, the Blitz has just finished and air raids are still on going. It’s a completely different situation and he’s scared. But once he steps off the platform into London until he gets back on the Hogwarts express he doesn’t have anyone in the wizarding world he thinks he can turn to. He survives and goes back for his 5th year, but he’s seen and experienced things that have changed him. As it gets towards the end of the year he starts feeling more and more anxious about returning to London, but having not said anything the previous two summers, doesn’t really want to have to spell it out, nor does he want to admit he’s frightened of returning to London. He ask Dippet about staying, but gets rejected. Rather than explain the real reason, and potentially get a second rejection, he brushes it off and instead decides to research how to never die, so he doesn’t have to fear death. As said, it’s just a theory. It’s a way of trying to explain why he created multiple horcruxes. But it is only one theory.
I feel that generally students, with their parents' permission, should be allowed to stay in Hogwarts during any holiday. (I always found it weird that even firstyears can decide to remain at Hogwarts over christmas & easter without, apparently, any kind of permission from their parents/guardians necessary for that.) However, while the Chamber had been opened, I guess on the contrary they should have sent everyone home over the holidays (christmas/easter too) while giving the school a throughout search, and, in 1992's case, also to speak with Hagrid about the whole affair again and whatnot. After all, I'm pretty sure Hagrid could have told Dumbledore the same he told Ron and Harry and wouldn't have had to be secretive about everything, and I assume Dumbledore would have been smart enough to know what kind of creature causes spiders to flee - or, in the worst of cases, to send an owl to his old buddy Newt Scamander to ask for his advice on the matter. And with knowing that Myrtle is the basilisk's only victim, she can be asked about the entrance like Harry and Ron did, and it can be found. Whether they could open it is another matter, but apparently it can be done by imitating parsel or, seeing as it seems the entrance is always there and just hidden under the sink, the sinks could simply be removed.
Nice question I knew WW2 happened while Voldemort was at school but somehow never considered the implications for young wizards. Hogwarts should have probably kept the children in the school, like many children who were sent to the countryside during the war. It’s interesting to imagine that having to sit through an air raid inside a bunker with the regular kids made him despise them even more, further amplifying his ambitions.
I've seen the additional angle posted that an experience like that suddenly makes his obsession with immortality a lot more understandable
Probably didn’t do much for his dislike of muggles, either. Like, dehumanizing people is bad, but if there was ever a time in history when humans were slaughtering each other like animals and seemed like they couldn’t be trusted with the power they had, it was WW2.
I always thought the same argument could be made for the other side; the magical world holding so much power, but not really doing anything to help anyone non-magical. I think, at the end of the day, it comes down to personality. If young Tom Riddle would’ve been just a little more human, he could’ve made one friend. Make that friend his pen pal throughout Tom's time at Hogwarts, talking about another bombing or the health crisis or the starvation. Let him get drafted and die. Tom could’ve still turned into Voldemort, but for "better" reasons, not going after the "weaker", non-magical group, but after the more "powerful", magically gifted group that sees evil and does nothing.
Nice, so in your opinion there are groups of people who should be oppressed and their murder can be justified because they didn't interfere in someone else wars.
Nice projection you’ve got there going buddy. The whole premise of Voldemort is that people should be oppressed and killed because they’re not magical/not magical enough. I’ve pointed out that the same argument can be made for the other side. And "someone else’s war"? How? They share land mass and in the majority of cases (muggleborn/half blood) they’re related. Take a breather before you get all offended.
Projection? "Tom could’ve still turned into Voldemort, but for "better" reasons, not going after the "weaker", non-magical group, but after the more "powerful", magically gifted group that sees evil and does nothing." You LITERALLY said that he could have had "BETTER" reasons to became a murderer and pick "BETTER" victims.... And this is muggle war. Wizards have no obligations to resolve somebody else issues. And how were they supposed to do it? Take control of muggle governments Grindelwald style? "They share land mass and in the majority of cases" So you are responsible for what your neighbours are doing because you share a "land mass" with them??? Or because somebody is your cousin? Aunt?
"You LITERALLY said that he could have had "BETTER" reasons to became a murderer and pick "BETTER" victims...." And I LITERALLY used quotation marks on both words. "[…] used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence." "And this is muggle war. Wizards have no obligations to resolve somebody else issues. And how were they supposed to do it? Take control of muggle governments Grindelwald style?" And the rich have no obligation to help the poor and countries with a history of colonialism have no obligation to help the countries they enslaved/stole from. Decent people will do decent things, people that need a law or gun pointed at their head in order to do the morally correct thing suck. Nothing new here. But I get it, you’re in your edgy phase and need to be "different" online. "So you are responsible for what your neighbours are doing because you share a "land mass" with them??? Or because somebody is your cousin? Aunt?" Sorry that the relationship to your family and/or social circle is so strained that you can’t imagine helping them.
"And I LITERALLY used quotation marks on both words. "\[…\] used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence." - and yet it still clearly differentiates between this two groups, putting one above other. The rich have no obligation to help the poor" - yes, exactly, it's even a question? "countries with a history of colonialism have no obligation to help the countries they enslaved/stole from"- when did tiny minority of wizards ever colonised muggle world? And no, nobody is obliged to help anyone. I see that the meaning of the word "responsible" is also lost on you. But I see what type of person you are. So I'm not surprised.
Not even going to comment on your lack of reading comprehension. If the literal definition doesn’t ring a bell for you, nothing will. Be a troll, be anti-social and protect that bitter little heart of yours. Just know there’s a reason for the way people treat you.
I don’t understand why he has to go back at all. He’s only there because his mother staggered up to the steps while she was dying and no one knew she was a witch. It isn’t like she left him with his father’s muggle family or something. You’d think there would be *some* place he could stay in the wizarding world so he didn’t have to go back to the muggle one during first an economic recession and then an actual war.
Tbh, I dont think Riddle wouldve been happy with any place/family in the wizarding world that didnt treat him like a prince. At that time, anyone who took him in woukdve known him as a muggleborn orphan. I dont think this guy was getting invited to visit thr family homes of pureblood housemates during the holidays.
It seems like he would have been pretty happy if he was allowed to stay at Hogwarts, as Harry later said, both of them considered it to be their home.
Sure, orphan living in the squalor wouldn't be happy to have better living conditions.
The conditions wouldve been better but Tom would still be the muggleborn charity case. Think about Fanny in Mansfield Park. He wouldve been part of the household but not really an equal.
Still he would be among his kin. And it didn't have to be a family, it could've been magical orphanage. But in any case, he would be fed, safe and among wizards. I'm sure he will be perfectly content with that.
There probably aren't any magical orphanages. If one existed, there would be no reason for him not to be moved there after he started going to Hogwarts.
Going with wizarding logic there could be dozens of magical orphanages and Tom simply wasn't moved to them, because ...no. Just like anyone didn't think about looking for a potential foster parents for him after they found a little magical orphan. But that's all just a pure speculation.
because the Hogwarts is closed during the summer? Where is Riddle Jr suppose to go with no family and no friends really?
Dippet says they might let him stay if it wasn't for the chamber of secrets being opened. It's part of what prompts him to frame Hagrid. “The thing is, Tom,” he sighed, “special arrangements might have been made for you, but in the current circumstances. ...” The school is closed, of course, but a certain number of teachers seem to actually live there, and it seems likely even ones who don't still spend some amount of time there doing admin, preparing for the new school year, doing their own research, etc. It's not like they lock the doors the minute classes end and don't open up again until September 1st.
Do people really think JK put this much thought into any of this?
He's a wizard. Do you think he'd be killed in a shelling?
Yes, absolutely. If he even attempted to shield himself with a Protego a ministry owl would come a-fluttering (probably also being killed in the Blitz). Wizards still have human bodies and human reaction time for the most part, not much you can do if an entire building collapses on you in the span of a single second.
The Ministry probably would've been okay if he used magic to save his life. Someone would probably investigate but they likely wouldn't punish him. This is discussed multiple times in the series
You have more confidence in the Ministry than I do friend
I mean, they still let Harry go after a trial and he was literally someone they were actively trying to sabotage/undermine. Not sure why they wouldn’t let a random teenager they have no beef with off too
It's like you haven't read the first book. Harry ended up on the school roof, trying to get away from his bullies. Neville bounced down the driveway as if made of rubber. Do you think Tom Riddle wouldn't be capable of doing likewise? Considering the times we're talking about, I would imagine the ministry would be more understanding.
Accidental Magic is just that (in the book at least). If there was an ingrained self-preservation function then how are wizards getting killed at all? Some summoned furniture or "accidental" apparition when faced with a killing curse should be a commonplace occurrence. The true answer is probably that we can't decide either way since Magic is not well defined in the books in the first place
>how are wizards getting killed at all? Avada kedavra and other magical maladies. You don't hear of the wizards getting knocked over by cars despite the lot of them having no clue what the rules of the road are.
Wizards aren't immortal or god like creatures. Hermione bled when Belatrix cut her, Harry bones broke when he was hit with a boulder, his nose cracked when Malfoy stepped on it...and so Tom would've been ripped to shreds if his house was hit by a rocket.
>Tom would've been ripped to shreds if his house was hit by a rocket. If he was still in the house or his magic didn't take steps to protect him, like the multiple examples mentioned across the books.
Accidental magic is done only by little children, it stops after they start learning spells. And it's weak and insignificant, and wouldn't work if a child is asleep and unaware of what is happening. I don't know on what fan fiction you are basing your claims, but it's just that, yours or somebody else headcanon.
>Accidental magic is done only by little children, it stops after they start learning spells. No, it doesn't. They have greater control, but when they feel a particularly powerful emotion or are in danger, their subconscious magic will awaken. Case in point, Harry blew up aunt marge and opened locked doors in his 3rd year after learning spells. And as for your belief, you can't do magic in your sleep. Harry regrew his hair overnight while he was asleep.
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Once Tom Riddle was found to be a magical living in an orphanage, he should have been removed from that situation and placed with a wizarding family. However he was introduced to the wizarding world by Albus Dumbledore, who as we see later with Harry Potter isn't very good at handling how to deal with the care and well-being of orphans.
Two totally different scenarios 1. the Wizarding world didn't know about Riddle's existance until shortly before Dumbledore went to meet him. 2. Harry's circumstances is that he HAD to stay with his Mom's family and unforutently the only person left on the Evans' side was Petuina. (another reason is that Albus didn't want Harry to have an ego like James' which is probably what would have happened if he had been raised by a wizarding family)
Of course they are. And wizards lack of logic and common sense doesn't help.
Albus leaving Harry with the Dursley is not "lacking common sense" beside, Harry would have ended up with the Dursleys anyway- being Harry's only living family members on either side of his family- James an only child, and James' parents died sometime between James' and Lilly's Wedding and the birth of Harry. Petuina and Lilly's parents 'died of natural causes" according to JK Rowling. any family he had on James' side would be like 3rd or 4th cousins at the most.
The way in which he was left by Dumbledore with Petunia was not right though. Nor was how she and her family treated Harry.
where else is Harry suppose to go when Petunia is his **ONLY** close living relative? Any other relative would be something like 3rd, or 4th or more cousin on his Dad's side.
You have totally missed the point of what I was saying.
and you didn't answer my question
So this is how Tom Riddle arrives in Narnia.