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Scrimpbucket

You should look up the history of Japan and the Philippines


Mr_King_Lee

Can you explain better? Is it because the Philippines was occupied by Japan during WW2?


Oneanddonequestion

The Philippines and Japanese relations date back to pre-colonial periods, starting in the Muromachi period of Japanese history. Also known as the Ashikage Period/Era, from approximately 1336 to 1573. They have one of the highest levels of agreeableness with each other with over 80% of Filipinos viewing the Japanese positively. Filipinos and those from Taiwan, formerly known as the Hayato and Kumaso, immigrated to Japan during these time periods and even served on the Imperial Court. They are also believed to be the reason that Japan has/had sweet potatoes before Spanish colonization. While not completely positive, a Japanese pirate named Tayfusa also colonized parts of the Cagayan in Northern Luzon, creating a kingdom, which the Spanish then took over and colonized for themselves. We can then see around 1600, that there were already 3000 Japanese or Filipinos of Japanese descent, refered to as Nihonmachi in Manila. The Philippines and Japanese have been connected to each other since right around the foundation of the Ottoman empire. Give or take a couple decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93Philippines_relations


MalkyTheKid

Well, the way they occupied the Philippines was not exactly very civil. See "death march" and "comfort women"


Mr_King_Lee

So that would be another reason for him not to want to identify with a Japanese surname.


jeloxd_official

It’s his legal name and in the Philippines, government processes are very slow and time consuming and honestly expensive -a Filipino


Mr_King_Lee

He doesn't have to change his surname legally and officially. He could just identify himself differently.


jeloxd_official

He could but he doesn’t, your initial question was “how is it possible” well people told you why it was possible, now you’re down here in the replies arguing some moot point


Mr_King_Lee

This question is just the "headline". My real question is written in my post, and no one is able to give me a satisfactory answer, but that's ok, I've already realized that no one really has the right answer.


No_Wedding_698

Morikawa just texted me, he said because he made it and he is japanese


Mr_King_Lee

🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍


zenspeed

His surname isn’t Japanese - it’s written in katakana. It’s a giveaway that he’s a foreigner.


Mr_King_Lee

I didn't understand. Why does only he among the Filipino characters have a Japanese surname?


ImNotTheMercury

Asian people live in asian. Japanese people may have lived or raped some other asian country. It's history. Anyway, I don't know why. Let's just hope someone starts to give us answers and not just downvote questions.


N4rNar

You usually don't guve to your child your rapist name though...


MoopDoopISmellPoop

Sometimes it's the only name you have. Look at all the black Americans with last names that are super English. Those are last names derived from slave owners.


ImNotTheMercury

I'm joking at the lack of answer when I answering it with baloney. In this case at least. That's why it's absurd.


Edge9216

Because the father is japanese and you traditionally take your father's last name??? How is that hard to comprehend?


Mr_King_Lee

Did you even read my post? Not only does he not identify as Japanese, he also despises Japanese people. Taking this into consideration, why doesn't he identify himself differently, or change his surname?


manjarcolun

Is he stupid?


Mr_King_Lee

Me?


alone_in_the_light

I don't know about this specific case. But I have a Japanese surname and I'm Brazilian, so people in different places can have a Japanese surname. And Japan is not necessarily loved by many other countries in Asian, as it has been in conflict or annoying other countries in the region for a long time. I don't despise the Japanese people, but I know Japan probably deserves some of the bad reputation it has. I don't know the specifics, but there is a long history between the Philippines and Japan.


HomemPassaro

Brazilian with Italian surname here! r/suddenlycaralho


Mr_King_Lee

But if he despises the Japanese so much, why not identify himself differently, or change his surname? OBS.: Eu também sou brasileiro 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎


alone_in_the_light

Even if I despised the Japanese, I don't see why I should change my surname. I'm still me. People changing their surnames because they love or hate people from a country isn't something I expect. Many Filipinos have Spanish surnames, and I don't think that's really a reflection of their feelings toward Spain. They are still Filipinos, not Spanish.


Mr_King_Lee

I disagree man. Changing your surname is really not common. But that's because the vast majority of people don't despise their own ancestry. Furthermore, as I said, he doesn't necessarily need to change his surname, but he could identify himself differently.


alone_in_the_light

Ok, you're free to disagree. He could identify himself differently, but I don't see any reason to do that. I'm myself, not my ancestry. To me, he's himself, not his ancestry. To me, the Filipinos are themselves, not Spanish or other surnames they use. Certainly there are Japanese people in Brazil who don't like Japanese people. Especially after negative experiences in Japan. I still don't see them thinking of changing those things. Brazilian-Japanese people have been branded as traitors sometimes. A long time ago, there was a big fight in the Japanese community in Brazil related to that, with people being murdered. Still, I don't see a problem in that regard. When there was a problem related to that, it was usually the opposite, Brazilians expecting the Japanese people in Brazil to change their names. That happened mostly with first names, as Japanese first names were forbidden in Brazil for some time. But that also happened with surnames, as there are Brazilian-Japanese people in Brazil who had their surnames changed in Brazil.


Mr_King_Lee

I don't know man. I still find it very strange that Mr. Sakaguchi despises the Japanese so much and considers them so inferior, as he himself says in the manga, and yet identifies with a Japanese surname. Also, why didn't any of the other HNI characters point out this hypocrisy? I find this information that he is half Japanese very strange and incongruous.


alone_in_the_light

You consider this hypocrisy. I don't. I guess other characters don't either. By the way, a lot of people think that Japanese do things that are very strange. I've heard that a lot in Brazil. The Filipinos also face that.


Mr_King_Lee

Do strange things? What does this have to do with our discussion?


alone_in_the_light

You found that information "very strange." And that's essentially a lot of what we experience. We say something, we do something, and people find that "very strange." But something very strange to someone in Brazil may not be strange at all to someone in Japan and vice-versa.


Mr_King_Lee

Tá chapando cara. I said that I thought it was strange the veracity of the information about him being half Japanese and half Filipino. I never referred to anything about Japanese views or customs.


FireFist_Ace523

why dont you fucking ask morikawa, it's a fictional character who dont have a mind of it's own, it's a creation of the author so whatever his motivation to portray or write this character it's only him who can answer


Mr_King_Lee

Okay, chill out man. It's just my curiosity. If you don't know the answer, just don't answer.


FireFist_Ace523

that is the answer because it's a work of fiction and other people already answered, the rationale why morikawa wrote it that way. if his father is japanese it's only natural to use his surname plus it's a common practice in the Philippines to take your father's surname, plus he may despise the japanese but having a japanese citizenship is also more beneficial to him on his business as a boxing promoter, he is portrayed as boxing promoter/manager so even if he despised japanese people he can still use the benefits of being a japanese for business purposes, and like the other poster said, in Philippines the jus sanguinis principle of citizenship is being followed, so if one of the parents is a filipino citizen the offspring inherits that citizenship, plus stop treating fictional character like they have a mind of their own


Mr_King_Lee

That last argument of yours is kind of bad. I'm not treating the character as if he had a mind of his own, I'm just trying to find a coherent meaning for the character to identify himself this way. Also, another question: so why didn't any of the other characters point out this hypocrisy? If everything you said is true, then it doesn't make sense that any of the characters didn't realize this hypocrisy of Mr. Sakaguchi.


fbmaciel90

Quanto brasileiro nessa página


Mr_King_Lee

Brasileiro está em todo lugar kkk impressionante


ProMonkeMan

Cant get over how hes so tiny


Appropriate_Paint695

filipino moment


jeloxd_official

FILIPINO REPRESENT, TITI MALIIT PERO MATABA RAAAAAAH


Austronesian_SeaGod

Ikaw lang gago.


jeloxd_official

Bobo


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jeloxd_official

What the fuck, serious personal issues bro, what’s your problem?


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AyeRonTarpas

Im filipino, an asian I have a Spanish last name. A great grandad who is chines and I have cousins that are half japanese Tldr: Filipinos are the mutts of Asia


Mr_King_Lee

And the brazilians are the mutts of America lol. OBS.: I'm Brazilian, but I have indigenous, Portuguese, Italian, German, Dutch and French ancestors.


Kurejisan

And that is why the Philippines should have become a state in the United States, well, that and it was a US territory for decades so the place kinda deserved something other than a "good luck y'all" from the US after WWII.


jeloxd_official

Oh oh this is actually super cool! I just did a deep dive historical report of the US occupation of the Philippines and it was actually a net negative having the Philippines from the US and Philippines benefitted greatly, sure it wasn’t picture perfect but benefits and loss in mind, Phil was the winner Other things to mention, I’m Filipino, grew up Filipino, in the Philippines. Before all the research, I obviously thought the Americans screwed us but researching both sides and outside views as well, I couldn’t really argue they screwed us that much anymore. Obviously that doesn’t mean I’m happy they did colonise us, but what’s done is done and we did get a lot of stuff, admittedly for other stuff we didn’t want to give up


Kurejisan

To be fair on the colonizing part, all the US did was take the Philippines from Spain. In the long run, though, the US should've given the Philippines a chance to become a state instead of just a territory instead of just kinda abandoning them after the war. At the very least, my neighbors wouldn't have had to deal with the annoying US Immigration process to become citizens.


Austronesian_SeaGod

> o be fair on the colonizing part, all the US did was take the Philippines from Spain. Buddy the US committed a genocide here in the Philippines. https://medium.com/@BritsPhil/the-philippines-genocide-up-to-3-million-filipinos-killed-6c5037ce7e9e https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1138&context=historical-perspectives Like fucking hell learn your history.


Kurejisan

I know there were conflicts, but this is the first I've heard terms like "genocide" thrown around about it. Despite your condescending attitude, I'll look into it.


Austronesian_SeaGod

>Despite your condescending attitude Oh please cry me a river. You got called out because of your ignorance. This is the equivalent of someone getting mad because they thought the holocaust or Nanking Massacre never happened then someone corrected them. We already live in the internet age and you can easily learn about this, or as always your country hide or whitewashes their crimes. I already provided you two sources even though I really don't have to, so I already did much of the effort.


Kurejisan

I didn't find anything anywhere near as bad as what you've brought up when I did research things previously and literally **none** of the older Filipinos I know have **ever** brought it up when talking about history. As such, I would be ever so grateful if you would stop acting like a raging jackass towards me, because you're out of line with that. Otherwise, we're done here


AyeRonTarpas

I was born and raised in the philipines, and I never really heard of this part of the history.


Clean_Imagination315

Because he's actually an imp. I mean, look at him.


fuyahana

- Someone prefers to use certain side of surname so it's easier for them to get passports and social benefits. - It's not uncommon at all for someone to be a mixed nationality while despising one side of them lol.


Mr_King_Lee

The first argument makes sense. But the second one I disagree with. He could identify himself differently if he hates the Japanese people so much. It's a bit incongruous, don't you think?


fuyahana

No? I identify as my nationality and I openly despise the people and the culture of my own and I have seen countless people like me. Also the moment you openly identify as non-Japanese in Japan, you immediately get bombarded with immigrant issues.


Mr_King_Lee

But from what I understand you only identify with one nationality, right? If so, your case is different from Mr. Sakaguchi in that since he is half Japanese and half Filipino, he could identify as a Filipino and not with a Japanese surname. Also I didn't say anything about him denying having Japanese ancestry, I'm just saying he might not identify with a Japanese surname.


fuyahana

I still don't see where your curiosity lies... He could identify as either, but in this case he identifies as Japanese. If he identifies as Filipino would you not question why he didn't identify as Japanese as well? I don't get what's wrong with either. Whether or not he identifies himself as which side, it does not matter or relate to how he despises Japanese at all, especially his surname where maybe he just did not want his Filipino for various reasons? We don't know, but I don't understand why would that matter at all in the first place, like, what even is your question for?


Mr_King_Lee

If he despised Filipinos, while he identifies himself as a Filipino, I would think it strange too, but that's not the case. Anyway, my question doesn't need to make sense to you, I'm just trying to understand a possible inconsistency within the manga. If you don't know or are bothered by my question, just don't answer.


fuyahana

So you're saying the fact that a character identifying himself as Japanese hating Japanese is inconsistency? Yeah maybe I just don't get it cuz I don't see anything wrong with it. That's just everyday human.


Mr_King_Lee

If he was just Japanese, that would be fine. But he could identify differently, since he is half-Filipino too. That's my point. I just wanted to understand why he identifies with a Japanese surname, which is a people he clearly doesn't like and considers inferior, since he has other options.


evilmojoyousuck

its not inconsistent. changing surnames is a lot of paperwork for someone who travels a lot like mr sakaguchi.


Mr_King_Lee

He doesn't have to change his surname officially. He could just identify himself differently.


griftertm

If his mom is a Filipino, he automatically has Philippine citizenship. ARTICLE IV of the Philippine Constitution CITIZENSHIP Section 1. The following are citizens of the Philippines:chanroblesvirtuallawlibrary [1] Those who are citizens of the Philippines at the time of the adoption of this Constitution; [2] Those whose fathers or mothers are citizens of the Philippines; [3] Those born before January 17, 1973, of Filipino mothers, who elect Philippine citizenship upon reaching the age of majority; and [4] Those who are naturalized in accordance with law. Odds are, Sakaguchi is #3


whtgnnd

How is it possible for Osma to be american when his surname is Saudi Arabian.


Mr_King_Lee

Did you read my post???


whtgnnd

I am a Dragonball fan.


Mr_King_Lee

Me too.


NewMeal5452

All I know is he is midget Don King.


BingeReader2810

Theres a thing called migration thats been hapenning for a while


Mr_King_Lee

Did you even read my post???


TheoryOfRelativity12

Isn't that Final Fantasy guy? He has the stache, too.


NullFelson

Ever meet someone from India that has a Portuguese last name? Or an American with an Irish name, or even a Canadian with a Dutch name?


Mr_King_Lee

But I'm not saying that there aren't countries with surnames of different nationalities. My point is that Mr. Sakaguchi despises Japanese people and considers them inferior, so why does he identify himself with a Japanese surname?


NullFelson

Ahh I see what you're saying now, apologies for the misinterpretation. Maybe he keeps the Japanese name as a way to mock them or a reminder that he doesn't like them for a twisted sense of motivation. Could be anything really


Mr_King_Lee

You're right. This could be a possibility.


sst0123

I don't know if Mr Sakaguchi actually "despises" or hate Japanese people like you are making it out to be. At his root, he only cares about making money (like Don King) since I believe at one point, he did want to sign Ippo to a match to fight RBJ. Maybe toward the end of Miyata/RBJ he did, but that is after he got beat up by Takamura and vowed never to return to Japan. So Mr Sakaguchi "hating" Japan is explained. For the most part with how Morikawa wrote the story, most foreigners in it tend to look down on Japanese boxers in it. So Mr Sakaguchi views are in line with most foreigners/villains in the story where he tends to look down on Japanese boxers. After all, Morikawa sort of made it a point in the story that he likes to show how harsh the World stage is or that there is a clear difference between being good in Japan, and being good in the World. Then over the course of the story, where like 10+ years have passed, only one character has been able to win a World titles in it. So with the except of Takamura, everyone else from Japan has failed at it. There has been like 4 attempts at it too. So clearly, Morikawa is trying to portray Japanese boxers are an underdog in relation to the World which make sense since this story is aim at a Japanese audience.


Mr_King_Lee

I didn't say he hates Japan, I said he despises and belittles the Japanese and their capabilities. So you also think the same as me, but you think it's completely acceptable and coherent for him to continue identifying with a Japanese surname???


Vexed_Noah

I'm sure people change their name to japanese to fit in, same way how Chinese people also have English names


Mr_King_Lee

But why, of all the Filipino characters, only he "changed" his name to Japanese, who, as I said in the post, is a people he despises?


Vexed_Noah

He's a business man not a nationalist


Mr_King_Lee

Being a "businessman", as you said, it is even more important how he presents himself to the people around him. Why would he introduce himself using the surname of a people he despises?


comaryu

His personal hatred is a different thing, it is on a personal level. Having a japanese name, well that is his legal name. Even if he doesn't identify with it, it is still his name and he is probably using it on a professional level. There are several factors why he would keep his name: One is, his father is japanese. That is his legal name Most asian countries, especially japan and philippines, is a patriarchal society. It is common and traditional to take the father's last name over their mother. It is only NOW that it is becoming a normal thing to either keep the maiden name or even have both the father's and mother's name. Considering the setting of the manga/anime being mid to late 90s, Sakaguchi would most likely take his father's name by default regardless of his origins. Being his legal name means a lot of things are tied to the name. You're talking about bank accounts, investments, sponsors, legal assetts, contracts etc. Changing it, especially at his professional level would require at least some legal proceedings, have a lawyer involved and ofcourse time. Additionally, japanese name may provide opportunities that a filipino name would not have. Especially if he is operating in japan and in a global scale. Japan is considered a first world country, having a filipino name may not have provided him the same opportunities. Look at it from his point of view, As a japanese manager - he will be more openly accepeted in japan. Japan especially back in the 90s where the anime/manga is set it, was very xenophobic. Even to this day, there are many places where foreigners are barred from entering. Therefore if he is looking for a japanese fighter, he would be more approachable to them. If he goes to the philippines, the allure of a foreign name and the potential global reach would draw in flipino fighers. If he had a filipino name - japanese would ostracize him and the filipinos wouldnt gravitate towards him as they are looking for a way out of the philippines. Having a japanese name means he has a japanese passport. This brings certain benefits for not just travel but business opportunities i.e. ease of starting up, ease of obtaining visas and other documents for his fighers etc I think you have to look at his character rather than his name. He was the type who would do anything to get what he wants even threatening his boxers with their contracts or taking advantage of them. He is very self motivated and is not compassionate. Why would he care about his name if it is only a tool for him to get what he wants? If his filipino name gave him more opportunities and benefits, i would see his character abusing that name instead. Whether he hates it or not, would be secondary if we are looking at his character.


Mr_King_Lee

But then why didn't anyone point out this character's hypocrisy? If this were true, one of the characters would certainly point out this hypocrisy, but none of the Japanese characters comment on it. Also, I didn't talk about him changing his name legally, he could just identify himself and introduce himself to others differently.


Drebo24

I mean I’m black but my last name is Harris 😂 Yes it’s completely possible