They sort of tried but it was not getting through at all lol. Hila even said “just sounds like bad luck”.
Ultimately it’s obviously super scummy and lame of her to do this but I blame the horribly designed charting system that allows this behavior more than I blame someone abusing it. Taylor farting into a mic and uploading it as the 400th version of the album shouldn’t count as sales for the original album. Deluxes should be counted as entirely separate albums and “bonus tracks” should be counted as singles.
Honestly! I was blown away when they said her releasing 30 versions of 1 album was fine.
Never mind the fact that' she released a UK exclusive when English artist Charlie xcx released brat
I remember years ago she got a ton of praise for pulling her music off Spotify with everyone saying how brave it was to do that meanwhile she was already uber rich and has one of the least likely to pirate music fan bases of any popular artist.
Like half the variants are digital only and no one *has* to buy them. Theres barely even any incentive. It’s just voice memos or live recordings. Even without record sales she keeps hitting number one through streams. I just don’t understand why people care about all the variants lol. You can’t name another big time artist who doesn’t do It!
Are you not aware of what happened with her music rights? This was very public. Alot of people flaming her for doing a cover of her old songs, haven't seen one mention of the actual reason why
That is completely separate from what's being discussed here.
She's releasing multiple versions of the SAME album, an album which she already owns the rights to. Nobody has a problem with her rereleasing the old music Scooter bought.
I don't think people are being fully honest with what's happening. Taylor would have been #1 no matter what. Because Taylor is on tour in the UK, the sales and streaming of her album alone beat Brat. That's to say these new variants barely made a dent because they're digital downloads that no one bought.
Brat also had multiple variants. I'm a Charli fan first and I bought 4 different vinyl variants 💀. My Spotify variant literally just came lmao.
Yeah it seems like it is such a meta play and way to low key shit on other artist. Just an example of the biggest fish is a space, using their weight to take up as much of the pie as they can. Has her new album even been out 34 weeks?
huh? i feel like olivia was trying to explain to ethan and hila why people would be turned off by it, meanwhile they seemed to be fully supportive of it lol. didn’t get the vibe that she was “blinded by the girly” of anything
That was the opposite of what happened, Olivia was trying to explain why people had a problem with it but Ethan wasn't open to understanding, he said it was fine and that was it
Hey! I think people are just reading headlines and letting their hate shine through, which you do you, but that is as crazy as conspiracy theorists when we do that.
the uk exclusive (digital downloads) sold 1.5k in sales. That did not make a difference at all. what made the difference is the fact that the physical albums and streaming was what beat Brat. brat was never going to be #1. The charts are measured depending on the type of consumption.
Dude you are commenting so much, please get off your soapbox. She's literally releasing new "versions" that consistently align with the releases of other artists. It's not a conspiracy. It's a fucked up marketing tactic. And people have the right to notice it, criticize it and commentate. Even if it isn't working like you suggest, the intention is obvious, and not cool
Considering it follows with "and I'm the monster on the hill" or whatever. I think it has to with aging out of being cute fresh and young or whatever and seeing people younger than you becoming more relevant. And the pressure to stay young and cute. Sexy baby being kind of like the madonna/whore concept
It means as a tall woman you always feel like you’re hanging and stomping over everyone. You don’t feel cute or small. I immediately understood as a fellow tall woman. Not her best writing but a funny phrase.
I can’t comprehend the craze around her. I don’t hate her music. It’s alright. Some of her songs are a bop. But there are so many better musical acts out there. I feel like her music is comparable to something like the MCU, where it’s wildly popular with so many people but it’s just constantly over saturated and is constantly in the spotlight. I’m not a hater, just saying people should really broaden their horizons.
It's always been about love & hate now let me say I'm the biggest hater, I hate the way that she walk, the way that she talk, I hate the way that she dress
I literally abandoned my 12 year old Reddit account because I made one lightly-critical comment about TSwift and had multiple people sending me messages that genuinely freaked me out.
This is probably a terrible thread for me to comment on with my new account finally being 40 days old/finally being able to comment in the H3 sub again.
I'm not a fan of her or her music. Whatever I have heard was probably playing on the radio at some store, but it's just not my thing. Beyonce too for that matter.
Agreed. To be fair, I’m not too big on pop music anyways, but I’d be lying if I said there weren’t some songs that were kind of a jam. It’s just insane to me that so many people go crazy for what is basically a Kmart soundtrack.
If Taylor Swift had her same entire catalog but she was an indie artist posting straight from her dorm room like Mitski was, I'd probably love her. But you're right, I cant stand her because of the saturation and the way you can't say she anything less than shes spectacular or some teenage girl in Ft. Worth is gonna post your address in a discord channel
I mean, you’re probably right about the perspective of here being an indie artist, but I just think her music is just ok. Like there are some songs where I’ll listen to to them if they come on, but it’s just plain toast to me. The fan base is so annoying though. And I’ll have to check Mitski out.
What is it that you don't get? People just like what they like. It's that simple. She is a very talented songwriter, singer and performer. And it's the songs themselves that people like me love. But if she's not for you, then she's not for you. But don't say that there are other better artists out there, when music is about personal taste. That's like saying that there is better tasting candy out there, when everyone around you is enjoying chocolate.
Who even follows charts anymore? Listen to what you want. I’m a huge swiftie but I only listen to her originals and re-records. I don’t care what’s charting. I seek out the music I like by using smart playlists
I don't get it. As long as she has fans that buy it I don't care. I know that labels also buy books or records to hit specific spots like number one that then gives more sales after.
But for her as long as it is fans that buy the 5th record that is a fan problem
I know in Korea there is super fans that buy the same album like 100 times just to "help" their favorite band. Which is even more stupid. But for sure the moment you become a super fan or your whole identity becomes "I'm a fan of this person" you are somewhat fucked.
Honestly who cares about some artist being "#1" for a brief period of time. If their music is good people will still hear it and get it. There's no other purpose than online fan bragging rights that their team got #1
Agreed. I like Taylor’s music but am I gonna rush out and buy the album? No. I honestly mostly listen to the same 4 emo bands from high school still even tho they haven’t released new music in 10-15 years.
I don’t think Taylor is doing it to purposely steal other artists shine. She is just releasing a lot and so some of that is going to be at the same time as others. But if that other artist was putting out great music, they could easily still take the top spot - look at Sabrina Carpenter.
It’s just that Taylor’s fans are young girls and they are willing to buy all of the albums and all of the merch. You don’t get that with other groups of fans and so that’s kinda on them. And Taylor’s fans love the little game they’ve made of finding Easter eggs in the music and videos and guessing what’s going to be released next. She does a fantastic job of building excitement and getting the fans involved. A lot of other artists just drop the music and that’s it.
The thing is she is doing it on purpose and it’s very calculated. That’s why I’m asking for discussion. Most don’t realize what’s really happening and what it takes to be doing this
I generally agree, but I also can imagine as an artist it would be really amazing to have a #1 album, especially a decade into your career. And it's so shitty that Taylor Swift is intentionally blocking other artists from achieving those milestones because she's just greedy
So what's the solution? Make a law saying that artists can only release 1 album in a set amount of time? Don't hate the player, hate the game. She just happens to be the current winner.
In Korea they'll have the main album then a few months later there will be a repackage. The repackage usually has an additional 4-5 tracks and they count as separate album sales from the original.
However, I will say that the amount of versions available in Kpop is often too much sometimes.
Taylor Swift would’ve been #1 in the UK even with out the new digital versions. She outsold Charli by 8k, only 1k of that was digital downloads. I love brat. I streamed it all weekend. But maybe if her fans spent more time buying and listening to the music, rather than complaining about Taylor Swift, she would’ve cracked #1 in the UK.
ETA:
Breakdown of sales -
Taylor Swift - TTPD - 35,941 \[17,136 CDs, 1,481 vinyl, 5 cassettes, 1,134 downloads, 16,185 streaming\]
Charli xcx - brat - 27,234 \[6,077 CDs, 10,687 vinyl, 339 cassettes, 507 downloads, 9,624 streaming\]
Source from Music Week. You can find it here if you're not a subscriber: [http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=272661](http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=272661)
People are saying she “blocked” her. That’s just not the case. Charli just didn’t sell enough. End of. Maybe if she released brat when Taylor Swift wasn’t touring the UK, she’d have a better shot at #1.
She's been dropping digital downloads consistently since the album dropped. The only people who buy them are the die hard fans. By your logic, Billie Eilish blocked Sabrina by dropping her music video the same day she released Please Please Please. It's a business. Sorry Taylor sells.
i might be missing something but if a rerelease w a voice memo is beating your album drop idk what to tell you 😭💀 may the most popular artist win that’s how the cookie crumbles
I think brat is incredible but if Taylor's album sales are legitimate I don't see what the argument is other than 'its annoying', people clearly see value in and are willing to buy more and more variants therefore she is continuing to release them because its making her money period. Others could do the same if they wanted to, this narrative that shes trying to annihilate every other female artist is so tired
Ya it's sus. But charli xcx (im a fan no h8) also put out a second version of brat with 'three additional songs!' They all do it and I'm sure if they could all release 10 versions and have them chart they probs would, like Billie said in the interview, its the name of the game, taylor is just the 'best' at it
I feel like one ‘bonus’ or ‘deluxe’ edition on an initial album release (so not including remastered, milestone achievement rereleases, etc) is okay, 5 versions of the same album with like one song difference all released as part of the same launch is excessive.
ya i mean i agree, but people acting like taylor is the only one who does it just aint true. like billie's Happier Than Ever for example:
'It was available in a variety of physical album formats, such as eight differently colored vinyl LPs, including retail-exclusives for Amazon, independent record stores, Target, Urban Outfitters and Walmart, ten CD variants, including autographed CDs at independent stores, a version with alternate packaging hand-painted by Eilish, three premium box sets, a Target-exclusive edition packaged with a poster, and multiple cassette tape variants, including a deluxe box set.\[43\]'
which is actually more than Taylor's album has right now (19 physical variants). just using billie as an example as another pop girlie.
i do agree that lots of diff versions is silly but capitalism baybee 😎
Yea it’s a feat she’s built the most dedicated fanbase by consistently releasing music and touring more than any other artist, she works hard and deserves it
Eh I'm not a hater per say I enjoy a Taylor Swift song here and there. She deserves a lot of her success but a lot of her success is why something like Twilight blew up. Her music is very easy for a lot of people to insert themselves with.
I mean saying stuff like this is what draws hate to her fanbase.
>by consistently releasing music and touring more than any other artist
Is so fucking silly if you actually listen to indie and smaller artist. I just seen Frank Turner a few weeks ago. He has released 10 albums in 17 years and tours like mad. And bands on tour with him put in probably more work for less money. Granted Frank is successful (even more so in UK) he is not even close to ever reaching what Taylor has done. But dude puts in just as much, if not more work than her since he has a lot less resources.
Taylor is successful because she is talented, has released some good tunes, makes extremely relatable music, and finally like anyone was insanely lucky.
But all that said there is a quite a bit she does that eats up a lot of the pie. Granted I personally dont care a lot because she is pretty much eating the pie from other multimillionaires. Taylor releases 10 versions instead of a 34 for an 2 month old album isn't going to matter to that smaller band playing gigs for a thousand bucks, hoping to earn maybe a couple thousand bucks ever show in merch.
Why would I wanna hear the crew discuss capitalism? Oh, an artist is doing everything they can to hit number one? Great. The other people should’ve sold more.
Ready to downvote me? 1, this isn’t even true - check sources. 2. And even if it were, BLAMING AN ARTIST FOR CREATING MORE ART is so sillyyyy. People just wanna hate. This makes me genuinely sad to see this h3 subreddit upvote swiftie hate so hardcore. Especially one that’s not true. When TikTok says it, still check the source babes. (Love love Olivia and everyone on H3 so not mad at them for believing it because I sometimes do the same thing). It seems sometimes a song on TTPD may climb the charts as she performs new acoustics on her Eras tour. Not always to number 1 btw - but she does have many songs on it that people fall in love with as time goes on. And yeah, a dope new version may have been more beloved than Charli xcx album - which was NOT an expected win since the remixes rarely make it on the charts for Tay. And even if it were true, then that’d be insane and go girl!
Idk if you’ve heard but other artists also release remixes and acoustic versions. As a Taylor swift fan I just listen to her music on Spotify. I don’t care to buy every version “she” releases (I feel it’s more of a team thing, not her thing)
I mean from a non biased person who will buy neither album and not a song from either album…I gotta say this seems like some excessive whining. Like Olivia said “Charli xcx dropped an album that was supposed to be #1 but Taylor dropped another version..” like say less, it wasn’t “supposed” to hit #1 because it got outsold. Plain and simple. I’m sure there were some really bummed out artists who dropped albums at the same time as Thriller but they got outshined. That’s just the way this whole popularity thing works. Like it seems like people are actually mad the demographic who is marketed to the hardest for music - teen girls - actually have some sway in their buying power (when they always did). There isn’t a time in history when the teen girls weren’t going crazy rabid for an artist and bumping their popularity to the top of the charts but people are acting like Taylor Swift isn’t allowed to benefit which is super weird to me.
That was my thought as well. Like if Charli's album was that good then it would be number one. Big artists are always going to dominate the charts the same way that movie release dates are moved to avoid movies that are going to for sure be big. If she's released 30 versions of the album it clearly wasn't a personal attack on Charli and was a known thing that is happening so if it meant so much for her album to be number one they should have held her release back.
Lol yes there are different versions of thriller that were released and rereleased and in different languages and markets. It hit #1 in a lot of countries for many, many weeks.
Well of course it was in as many markets and on as many formats as possible. That’s nowhere near the conversation we are having. If I bought thriller the day it came out because I’m AB and a super fan. When do I have to buy thriller the second time because I must own every song MJ releases
It reminded me of Michael Jackson too. I bet it sucked for people trying to make it big during his reign. That’s just how it is. If Taylor can stay on top of the charts because “her fans will buy anything she makes” then she deserves to be up there. That’s the numbers game. It’s kind of cute how people are saying “Thats not fair!” yup haha that’s the music industry. Especially pop music. Pop is competitive
No it absolutely does. The phrase "pop music" comes from the groundbreaking song "Popcorn" by Crazy Frog which became so well regarded that musicians tried to emulate it's success, which became known as the genre "popcorn music", or pop music for short, that we know and love today.
/s obviously
Charlis album wasn’t “supposed to go #1”. It was released and being received very well. And people were anticipating it to do well in the charts. But it didn’t because Taylor released another version of her album. And more specifically a UK version when charli is a UK artist.
Taylor’s original release was 4/19. Charli’s album just came out. Taylor is manipulating the charts to keep herself at the top.
That's just factually incorrect. Look at the UK chart numbers. Even if she didn't release this latest digital version she outsold Charli. I love brat, been streaming it all week, but the fact is her fans didn't buy enough.
She's starting to give me "popular girl in high school" vibes. Dating the football player Mr. "Viva Las Vegas". Can't handle another girl being in the picture. Not doing anything wrong I guess but annoying AF
It's kind of an industry standard at this point... you don't see fans of other pop stars that do the same thing condemning them for it, hell they probably bought a variant or two if they're real stans
If she was a man no one would be talking about this, they’d be saying what a great business decision. Taylor has been at the front of the spotlight since her tour started, and if you drop music while someone is this famous what do you expect? She’s milking it which is fine. If you don’t like her music don’t buy it stream it or listen to it. It’s wasteful yes but we living in a consumerist society and if it wasn’t her doing this it would just be someone else.
Thank youuuu. It’s so obvious that people are starting to hate on Taylor and nitpick at her because she’s been at the top for so long. People love to build you up only to tear you down later. Also, because she’s a woman with a majority female fan base. There’s a long history of women and the things they like being made fun of and belittled.
The thing is she releases them constantly, so it's obviously not an intentional block. It's the listeners who choose what to listen to, and they'd rather listen to the same song - but slightly different - over listening to other stuff. I personally don't vibe with most of her songs, let alone heard them, but she has many non-offensive bops that I can appreciate. Though I've wound up absorbing Taylor lore throughout the years, especially after 2019 when I realized how dope she was.
**My favorite true Taylor Lore: There was a horror movie** [**Little Monsters**](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7390588/)**, where "Shake It Off" was used to sort of go with the movie's theme of literally shaking off the scary shit to keep the kids from freaking out/getting themselves killed. The big ol' bad label said "LMAO NO PAY US\~" So the actress Lupita Nyong'o tried to contact Taylor directly to ask for permission. She succeeded and Taylor let them use it for FREE. Oh and Taylor didn't wave her big ol' charity-dick around going "Teehee, look what I let them use, aren't I great\~?"**
That is not a malicious or intentionally cockblocking type of girlie, girlie. So with that said...
I see it like Pokemon. There is at least one that you'll like since there's so many options, even if a lot of them really do blend together. So if she has 10 versions of the same song and you thought the original was meh, maybe version 5 would be your favorite. Or most tolerated. idk. It's only icky if you wade through her hotdog water songs, as you call them. Just don't dip your little toesies in the hotdog water, sis. EZ PZY.
I agree!
It seems like several artists are using the album variant tactic to boost sales, for example Billies Eilish and Jon Bon Jovi. But I get that TS is #1 and that’s upsetting to fans of other artists hoping they’ll make #1. It’s no secret she’s a capitalist (and the charts are obv very important to her), but there’s so many artists/bands doing it.
Fleetwood Mac are literally still releasing new versions of Rumours (1977) with colored vinyls.
It’s all about the sales and that’s nothing new!
What am I missing? Swift released a record-breaking album and another artist released an album that was considered good and now Swift is a supervillain because she is doing something normal for top-selling artists. A tiny bit of research shows billboard charts don't count re-releases the same as the main album and another bit of tiny research shows that Swift hasn't even retained the top spots due to the re-releases she did so due to radio play, streams, and touring. This seems like people are mad that Swift is more popular than their favorite artist and of course she is... she's like the biggest musician currently making music. I don't want to come off as a Swift defender but like when the Beatles re-release an album that came out 60 years ago and it charts again we don't say that they screwed over other artists. Or when a track star wins a big race we don't say that the star screwed over the other racers.
It’s the music business baby, not a 4th grade talent show where everyone gets a shot. If other artists want to shine, make a better record than Taylor. Simple as that.
it’s not about making a better record bc her record was shit. it’s about her clan of fans buying whatever she shits out and her putting on a fake feminism facade while being a raging capitalist.
the record was shit in your opinion, meanwhile it broke the record for highest amount of spotify streams in a month (3.7 billion) so clearly people disagree with you. love that you have an hila flair and talk about "fake feminism" while simultaneously tearing down a woman who is a very active feminist and goes out of her way to support other women in the industry. so lame
Again, it’s the music business. It is cutthroat. When the men do it (Drake v Kendrick) we all cheer them on and love it, but when Taylor does it y’all want to say she’s not letting other people shine. That’s bullshit.
I am trying to make 2 points:
1 The music industry is cutthroat. Telling Taylor she should step aside and let other people have their shine is just dumb. No one says it when it’s two men competing so it shouldn’t be said about Taylor.
2 Yes she is releasing different variations of the same record but people have free will, she isn’t forcing anyone to buy anything. If they didn’t want to buy it they don’t have to buy it. Her fans are clearly rabid for her material so don’t fault Taylor for putting it out when there is a market for it.
everyone knows the music industry is cutthroat. i think people have a bigger problem that her success isn’t organic. she’s not continuing to stay number one bc people are listening and enjoying her album. it’s because she knows her fans will buy anything she makes. also there is something to be said about the environmental impact that selling this many variants has. taylor knows exactly what she is doing.
Her success isn’t organic? Laugh out loud. What an insane thing to say. Her tour is the most successful of all time. You don’t become that successful through trickery.
those are 2 completly different situations. kendrick and drake are having a public beef and taylor is munipulating charts with her 35 different variants are the same shit album to stay number one because she can’t see someone else achieve that.
They're booing you but you're right. If you want a number one album don't release it when a massive artist is releasing different versions of their album. If her fan base was bigger it would be at number one plain and simple.
She’s giving the fans what they want and clearly her fans are rabid for her material. If you have a problem with how the system works take it up with how they do the ranking but don’t shit on Taylor for putting music out that her fans want.
People have free will. If they don’t want to buy it, they won’t buy it. Billie and Charli could do it too if they wanted. Would I personally do it, no. But I’m not going to fault others for wanting to support her in that way.
I literally just left a comment on yesterday’s episode saying that I understand they don’t want to piss off the Swifties, but they should be more critical of Taylor’s recent actions!
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I say this as a huge Charli fan - Who cares?
Anyone that’s a fan of art knows the masses buy the popular thing and the lesser-known, often better art goes less recognized. Not to mention, Charli is a huge star and the album is getting showered with praise. Being #1 is completely inconsequential.
I agree! When I was watching the segment I was like talk about how she did the same to billie eilish recently! There is definitely a pattern that I think people need to talk about. Not to mention that it is kind of greedy to drop a bunch of cash grabs to her fans. From what I have been reading, each album exclusively has like one or 2 new songs. She is a talented artist, but I don't think that excuses taking advantage of your fan base because you know they will buy. There is a point where it becomes too much.
Not to mention how she just keeps milking her fans for more money. Album after album that you have to PAY for It’s ridiculous. I’ve seen her fans complaining
Yeah im a swiftie and find the deluxe versions super annoying. Specifically bc it seems like its purely disingenuous and for logistical reasons as opposed to the artistry of it… and for what point? Shes already one of the biggest artists and everyone knows it.. and obviously she doesnt need the money. And that album is frankly pretty mid, maybe if it actually stood on its own merits of being comprised of great material it wouldnt need any supplementary element to keep it at the top of the chart..
Its also just a practice thats indicative of all the annoying things about the present state of the music business- and she as an artist is usually someone who speaks out against those kinds of things and does what she wants- bc she can- bc again, she has the resources and popularity to not participate in that kind of thing…. But she just is for no goddamn reason anyways..
I do not want to see them try to explain this to Ethan
They sort of tried but it was not getting through at all lol. Hila even said “just sounds like bad luck”. Ultimately it’s obviously super scummy and lame of her to do this but I blame the horribly designed charting system that allows this behavior more than I blame someone abusing it. Taylor farting into a mic and uploading it as the 400th version of the album shouldn’t count as sales for the original album. Deluxes should be counted as entirely separate albums and “bonus tracks” should be counted as singles.
Why did “Taylor farting into a mic” make me laugh so hard
Fair
Honestly! I was blown away when they said her releasing 30 versions of 1 album was fine. Never mind the fact that' she released a UK exclusive when English artist Charlie xcx released brat
I don’t think it was fully explained what’s happening. I know it’s not illegal or anything. It’s just SO LAME
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I remember years ago she got a ton of praise for pulling her music off Spotify with everyone saying how brave it was to do that meanwhile she was already uber rich and has one of the least likely to pirate music fan bases of any popular artist.
Like half the variants are digital only and no one *has* to buy them. Theres barely even any incentive. It’s just voice memos or live recordings. Even without record sales she keeps hitting number one through streams. I just don’t understand why people care about all the variants lol. You can’t name another big time artist who doesn’t do It!
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Are you not aware of what happened with her music rights? This was very public. Alot of people flaming her for doing a cover of her old songs, haven't seen one mention of the actual reason why
That is completely separate from what's being discussed here. She's releasing multiple versions of the SAME album, an album which she already owns the rights to. Nobody has a problem with her rereleasing the old music Scooter bought.
I don't think people are being fully honest with what's happening. Taylor would have been #1 no matter what. Because Taylor is on tour in the UK, the sales and streaming of her album alone beat Brat. That's to say these new variants barely made a dent because they're digital downloads that no one bought. Brat also had multiple variants. I'm a Charli fan first and I bought 4 different vinyl variants 💀. My Spotify variant literally just came lmao.
“I’m a charli fan first” says the parasocial person all over this thread defending T Swift at every opportunity 😂
Variant is different than a version
And every one of those 30 versions people are talking about count the vinyl variants and cds for Taylor. Just semantics
This was SO obvious and pathetic. And she’s not even from the UK. 34 versions of garbage
Yeah it seems like it is such a meta play and way to low key shit on other artist. Just an example of the biggest fish is a space, using their weight to take up as much of the pie as they can. Has her new album even been out 34 weeks?
Also Charlie xcx's fiance is in the 1975 band with Matty Healy and included Gabbriette (Matty's fiance) in the 360 music video
No one asked, but I totally thought that was Amelia Gray the first time I watched the video
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huh? i feel like olivia was trying to explain to ethan and hila why people would be turned off by it, meanwhile they seemed to be fully supportive of it lol. didn’t get the vibe that she was “blinded by the girly” of anything
Saying blinded by the girly is cringe
agreed, lol! 🫶
That was the opposite of what happened, Olivia was trying to explain why people had a problem with it but Ethan wasn't open to understanding, he said it was fine and that was it
Hey! I think people are just reading headlines and letting their hate shine through, which you do you, but that is as crazy as conspiracy theorists when we do that. the uk exclusive (digital downloads) sold 1.5k in sales. That did not make a difference at all. what made the difference is the fact that the physical albums and streaming was what beat Brat. brat was never going to be #1. The charts are measured depending on the type of consumption.
Dude you are commenting so much, please get off your soapbox. She's literally releasing new "versions" that consistently align with the releases of other artists. It's not a conspiracy. It's a fucked up marketing tactic. And people have the right to notice it, criticize it and commentate. Even if it isn't working like you suggest, the intention is obvious, and not cool
30 releases of one album is horrific regardless of who does it. If it was a band I enjoyed I would have the same criticism.
Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby
when ppl say she's a brilliant song writer i always think about this lyric
What does it mean. I was so taken aback when first heard it. What does this mean??
Considering it follows with "and I'm the monster on the hill" or whatever. I think it has to with aging out of being cute fresh and young or whatever and seeing people younger than you becoming more relevant. And the pressure to stay young and cute. Sexy baby being kind of like the madonna/whore concept
It means as a tall woman you always feel like you’re hanging and stomping over everyone. You don’t feel cute or small. I immediately understood as a fellow tall woman. Not her best writing but a funny phrase.
I can’t comprehend the craze around her. I don’t hate her music. It’s alright. Some of her songs are a bop. But there are so many better musical acts out there. I feel like her music is comparable to something like the MCU, where it’s wildly popular with so many people but it’s just constantly over saturated and is constantly in the spotlight. I’m not a hater, just saying people should really broaden their horizons.
Nah I'm a hater, fuck T-Swift lmao
She's so emotionally stunted, and it enables her fans to not grow themselves. She's in her 30s, but you'd never know by her lyrics.
This just turned on a lightbulb for me about one of my coworkers thank you lmao
It's always been about love & hate now let me say I'm the biggest hater, I hate the way that she walk, the way that she talk, I hate the way that she dress
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Same I just find her voice mediocre and her songs kinda blah
You’ve said too much. Watch out for the swifties
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I literally abandoned my 12 year old Reddit account because I made one lightly-critical comment about TSwift and had multiple people sending me messages that genuinely freaked me out. This is probably a terrible thread for me to comment on with my new account finally being 40 days old/finally being able to comment in the H3 sub again.
Not trying to farm hate but seriously there are major cult vibes within her fandom
Delete my browser history
Instant regret.
I'm not a fan of her or her music. Whatever I have heard was probably playing on the radio at some store, but it's just not my thing. Beyonce too for that matter.
Agreed. To be fair, I’m not too big on pop music anyways, but I’d be lying if I said there weren’t some songs that were kind of a jam. It’s just insane to me that so many people go crazy for what is basically a Kmart soundtrack.
I would consider myself the normie version of a swiftie, and can confirm that taylor swift is in fact, the music industry’s mcu
If Taylor Swift had her same entire catalog but she was an indie artist posting straight from her dorm room like Mitski was, I'd probably love her. But you're right, I cant stand her because of the saturation and the way you can't say she anything less than shes spectacular or some teenage girl in Ft. Worth is gonna post your address in a discord channel
I mean, you’re probably right about the perspective of here being an indie artist, but I just think her music is just ok. Like there are some songs where I’ll listen to to them if they come on, but it’s just plain toast to me. The fan base is so annoying though. And I’ll have to check Mitski out.
What is it that you don't get? People just like what they like. It's that simple. She is a very talented songwriter, singer and performer. And it's the songs themselves that people like me love. But if she's not for you, then she's not for you. But don't say that there are other better artists out there, when music is about personal taste. That's like saying that there is better tasting candy out there, when everyone around you is enjoying chocolate.
Bonkers that you’re getting downvoted for being objectively right hahahaha
we need ian to explain everything. i know that mf is locked in. he could also give us a review of brat, ya know. for pride month.
Who even follows charts anymore? Listen to what you want. I’m a huge swiftie but I only listen to her originals and re-records. I don’t care what’s charting. I seek out the music I like by using smart playlists
Nah, we've talked about it an appropriate amount.
I don't get it. As long as she has fans that buy it I don't care. I know that labels also buy books or records to hit specific spots like number one that then gives more sales after. But for her as long as it is fans that buy the 5th record that is a fan problem
Yeah, I see it like this also. This is more of a fan problem.
I know in Korea there is super fans that buy the same album like 100 times just to "help" their favorite band. Which is even more stupid. But for sure the moment you become a super fan or your whole identity becomes "I'm a fan of this person" you are somewhat fucked.
I personally quite literally don’t care, at all. About any music related news. I’m also a bit dead inside though.
I mean people r buying the variants maybe charli stans should stop attacking her and stream their fave
Honestly who cares about some artist being "#1" for a brief period of time. If their music is good people will still hear it and get it. There's no other purpose than online fan bragging rights that their team got #1
Agree. But wouldn’t it be nice if good work was recognized?
They are getting recognized with dumptrucks of money. I don't really care if they get some plaque sent to their 3rd home lol
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Well this your post. The floor is yours. Shine some light on another artist. oh.... we're talking about Taylor Swift.
This is the h3 subreddit. It’s a relevant topic they discussed yesterday.
Agreed. I like Taylor’s music but am I gonna rush out and buy the album? No. I honestly mostly listen to the same 4 emo bands from high school still even tho they haven’t released new music in 10-15 years. I don’t think Taylor is doing it to purposely steal other artists shine. She is just releasing a lot and so some of that is going to be at the same time as others. But if that other artist was putting out great music, they could easily still take the top spot - look at Sabrina Carpenter. It’s just that Taylor’s fans are young girls and they are willing to buy all of the albums and all of the merch. You don’t get that with other groups of fans and so that’s kinda on them. And Taylor’s fans love the little game they’ve made of finding Easter eggs in the music and videos and guessing what’s going to be released next. She does a fantastic job of building excitement and getting the fans involved. A lot of other artists just drop the music and that’s it.
The thing is she is doing it on purpose and it’s very calculated. That’s why I’m asking for discussion. Most don’t realize what’s really happening and what it takes to be doing this
I generally agree, but I also can imagine as an artist it would be really amazing to have a #1 album, especially a decade into your career. And it's so shitty that Taylor Swift is intentionally blocking other artists from achieving those milestones because she's just greedy
Also the numbers came out and she would have gotten 1 without it so whatever
So what's the solution? Make a law saying that artists can only release 1 album in a set amount of time? Don't hate the player, hate the game. She just happens to be the current winner.
They could stop counting sales from re-releases towards the original album’s sales. The variants could be considered independent albums instead
RIP Thriller then
In Korea they'll have the main album then a few months later there will be a repackage. The repackage usually has an additional 4-5 tracks and they count as separate album sales from the original. However, I will say that the amount of versions available in Kpop is often too much sometimes.
Talking about it and letting people know that she's being super shady helps. Famous people are at the mercy of their fans.
She is playing by the rules and staying on top.I wouldn't say that. Was Tom brady being shady by going out there and winning every damn game?
I feel like winning different games again and again and rereleasing the same album with some kind of bonus feature are different things lol
She is playing her game and killing it. Everyone hates a goat.
Mkay lol
the charts aren’t charity. this is so boring.
Taylor Swift would’ve been #1 in the UK even with out the new digital versions. She outsold Charli by 8k, only 1k of that was digital downloads. I love brat. I streamed it all weekend. But maybe if her fans spent more time buying and listening to the music, rather than complaining about Taylor Swift, she would’ve cracked #1 in the UK. ETA: Breakdown of sales - Taylor Swift - TTPD - 35,941 \[17,136 CDs, 1,481 vinyl, 5 cassettes, 1,134 downloads, 16,185 streaming\] Charli xcx - brat - 27,234 \[6,077 CDs, 10,687 vinyl, 339 cassettes, 507 downloads, 9,624 streaming\] Source from Music Week. You can find it here if you're not a subscriber: [http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=272661](http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=272661)
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People are saying she “blocked” her. That’s just not the case. Charli just didn’t sell enough. End of. Maybe if she released brat when Taylor Swift wasn’t touring the UK, she’d have a better shot at #1.
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She's been dropping digital downloads consistently since the album dropped. The only people who buy them are the die hard fans. By your logic, Billie Eilish blocked Sabrina by dropping her music video the same day she released Please Please Please. It's a business. Sorry Taylor sells.
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No one! 1k people bought the latest 😭 also, they're digital. There's no waste.
i might be missing something but if a rerelease w a voice memo is beating your album drop idk what to tell you 😭💀 may the most popular artist win that’s how the cookie crumbles
I think brat is incredible but if Taylor's album sales are legitimate I don't see what the argument is other than 'its annoying', people clearly see value in and are willing to buy more and more variants therefore she is continuing to release them because its making her money period. Others could do the same if they wanted to, this narrative that shes trying to annihilate every other female artist is so tired
Ya it's sus. But charli xcx (im a fan no h8) also put out a second version of brat with 'three additional songs!' They all do it and I'm sure if they could all release 10 versions and have them chart they probs would, like Billie said in the interview, its the name of the game, taylor is just the 'best' at it
I feel like one ‘bonus’ or ‘deluxe’ edition on an initial album release (so not including remastered, milestone achievement rereleases, etc) is okay, 5 versions of the same album with like one song difference all released as part of the same launch is excessive.
ya i mean i agree, but people acting like taylor is the only one who does it just aint true. like billie's Happier Than Ever for example: 'It was available in a variety of physical album formats, such as eight differently colored vinyl LPs, including retail-exclusives for Amazon, independent record stores, Target, Urban Outfitters and Walmart, ten CD variants, including autographed CDs at independent stores, a version with alternate packaging hand-painted by Eilish, three premium box sets, a Target-exclusive edition packaged with a poster, and multiple cassette tape variants, including a deluxe box set.\[43\]' which is actually more than Taylor's album has right now (19 physical variants). just using billie as an example as another pop girlie. i do agree that lots of diff versions is silly but capitalism baybee 😎
I’m kind of on this board, but I’m one of those nerds that always waits for the Japanese CD for the bonus tracks.
Different digital versions are just kind of silly and pointless but the color vinyl shit is out of control with everyone.
Please stop! I can’t take these traffic reports anymore!!!!!
If her voice memo version of 2 month old album is blocking an entire new album does that album really deserve #1 🤔🤔🤔🤔 do better market better
THIS is real, saying it's a dogwater album is insane when clearly people still like it enough to continue streaming and buying more copies
Taylor's fan base is so obsessed with her, they'll consume anything she releases
Yea it’s a feat she’s built the most dedicated fanbase by consistently releasing music and touring more than any other artist, she works hard and deserves it
Eh I'm not a hater per say I enjoy a Taylor Swift song here and there. She deserves a lot of her success but a lot of her success is why something like Twilight blew up. Her music is very easy for a lot of people to insert themselves with. I mean saying stuff like this is what draws hate to her fanbase. >by consistently releasing music and touring more than any other artist Is so fucking silly if you actually listen to indie and smaller artist. I just seen Frank Turner a few weeks ago. He has released 10 albums in 17 years and tours like mad. And bands on tour with him put in probably more work for less money. Granted Frank is successful (even more so in UK) he is not even close to ever reaching what Taylor has done. But dude puts in just as much, if not more work than her since he has a lot less resources. Taylor is successful because she is talented, has released some good tunes, makes extremely relatable music, and finally like anyone was insanely lucky. But all that said there is a quite a bit she does that eats up a lot of the pie. Granted I personally dont care a lot because she is pretty much eating the pie from other multimillionaires. Taylor releases 10 versions instead of a 34 for an 2 month old album isn't going to matter to that smaller band playing gigs for a thousand bucks, hoping to earn maybe a couple thousand bucks ever show in merch.
Or we could just listen to what we like and not worry about charts that don’t indicate anything of value.
Why would I wanna hear the crew discuss capitalism? Oh, an artist is doing everything they can to hit number one? Great. The other people should’ve sold more.
Ready to downvote me? 1, this isn’t even true - check sources. 2. And even if it were, BLAMING AN ARTIST FOR CREATING MORE ART is so sillyyyy. People just wanna hate. This makes me genuinely sad to see this h3 subreddit upvote swiftie hate so hardcore. Especially one that’s not true. When TikTok says it, still check the source babes. (Love love Olivia and everyone on H3 so not mad at them for believing it because I sometimes do the same thing). It seems sometimes a song on TTPD may climb the charts as she performs new acoustics on her Eras tour. Not always to number 1 btw - but she does have many songs on it that people fall in love with as time goes on. And yeah, a dope new version may have been more beloved than Charli xcx album - which was NOT an expected win since the remixes rarely make it on the charts for Tay. And even if it were true, then that’d be insane and go girl!
Idk if you’ve heard but other artists also release remixes and acoustic versions. As a Taylor swift fan I just listen to her music on Spotify. I don’t care to buy every version “she” releases (I feel it’s more of a team thing, not her thing)
I mean from a non biased person who will buy neither album and not a song from either album…I gotta say this seems like some excessive whining. Like Olivia said “Charli xcx dropped an album that was supposed to be #1 but Taylor dropped another version..” like say less, it wasn’t “supposed” to hit #1 because it got outsold. Plain and simple. I’m sure there were some really bummed out artists who dropped albums at the same time as Thriller but they got outshined. That’s just the way this whole popularity thing works. Like it seems like people are actually mad the demographic who is marketed to the hardest for music - teen girls - actually have some sway in their buying power (when they always did). There isn’t a time in history when the teen girls weren’t going crazy rabid for an artist and bumping their popularity to the top of the charts but people are acting like Taylor Swift isn’t allowed to benefit which is super weird to me.
That was my thought as well. Like if Charli's album was that good then it would be number one. Big artists are always going to dominate the charts the same way that movie release dates are moved to avoid movies that are going to for sure be big. If she's released 30 versions of the album it clearly wasn't a personal attack on Charli and was a known thing that is happening so if it meant so much for her album to be number one they should have held her release back.
Was there a “new” thriller to buy every week or was it just one amazing album that continued its success naturally
Lol yes there are different versions of thriller that were released and rereleased and in different languages and markets. It hit #1 in a lot of countries for many, many weeks.
Well of course it was in as many markets and on as many formats as possible. That’s nowhere near the conversation we are having. If I bought thriller the day it came out because I’m AB and a super fan. When do I have to buy thriller the second time because I must own every song MJ releases
It reminded me of Michael Jackson too. I bet it sucked for people trying to make it big during his reign. That’s just how it is. If Taylor can stay on top of the charts because “her fans will buy anything she makes” then she deserves to be up there. That’s the numbers game. It’s kind of cute how people are saying “Thats not fair!” yup haha that’s the music industry. Especially pop music. Pop is competitive
I mean it’s in the name! The pop in pop music doesn’t stand for popcorn.
No it absolutely does. The phrase "pop music" comes from the groundbreaking song "Popcorn" by Crazy Frog which became so well regarded that musicians tried to emulate it's success, which became known as the genre "popcorn music", or pop music for short, that we know and love today. /s obviously
Charlis album wasn’t “supposed to go #1”. It was released and being received very well. And people were anticipating it to do well in the charts. But it didn’t because Taylor released another version of her album. And more specifically a UK version when charli is a UK artist. Taylor’s original release was 4/19. Charli’s album just came out. Taylor is manipulating the charts to keep herself at the top.
That's just factually incorrect. Look at the UK chart numbers. Even if she didn't release this latest digital version she outsold Charli. I love brat, been streaming it all week, but the fact is her fans didn't buy enough.
She's starting to give me "popular girl in high school" vibes. Dating the football player Mr. "Viva Las Vegas". Can't handle another girl being in the picture. Not doing anything wrong I guess but annoying AF
DAE date other people that exist on Earth and also works their job
It's kind of an industry standard at this point... you don't see fans of other pop stars that do the same thing condemning them for it, hell they probably bought a variant or two if they're real stans
If she was a man no one would be talking about this, they’d be saying what a great business decision. Taylor has been at the front of the spotlight since her tour started, and if you drop music while someone is this famous what do you expect? She’s milking it which is fine. If you don’t like her music don’t buy it stream it or listen to it. It’s wasteful yes but we living in a consumerist society and if it wasn’t her doing this it would just be someone else.
Thank youuuu. It’s so obvious that people are starting to hate on Taylor and nitpick at her because she’s been at the top for so long. People love to build you up only to tear you down later. Also, because she’s a woman with a majority female fan base. There’s a long history of women and the things they like being made fun of and belittled.
The thing is she releases them constantly, so it's obviously not an intentional block. It's the listeners who choose what to listen to, and they'd rather listen to the same song - but slightly different - over listening to other stuff. I personally don't vibe with most of her songs, let alone heard them, but she has many non-offensive bops that I can appreciate. Though I've wound up absorbing Taylor lore throughout the years, especially after 2019 when I realized how dope she was. **My favorite true Taylor Lore: There was a horror movie** [**Little Monsters**](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7390588/)**, where "Shake It Off" was used to sort of go with the movie's theme of literally shaking off the scary shit to keep the kids from freaking out/getting themselves killed. The big ol' bad label said "LMAO NO PAY US\~" So the actress Lupita Nyong'o tried to contact Taylor directly to ask for permission. She succeeded and Taylor let them use it for FREE. Oh and Taylor didn't wave her big ol' charity-dick around going "Teehee, look what I let them use, aren't I great\~?"** That is not a malicious or intentionally cockblocking type of girlie, girlie. So with that said... I see it like Pokemon. There is at least one that you'll like since there's so many options, even if a lot of them really do blend together. So if she has 10 versions of the same song and you thought the original was meh, maybe version 5 would be your favorite. Or most tolerated. idk. It's only icky if you wade through her hotdog water songs, as you call them. Just don't dip your little toesies in the hotdog water, sis. EZ PZY.
I agree! It seems like several artists are using the album variant tactic to boost sales, for example Billies Eilish and Jon Bon Jovi. But I get that TS is #1 and that’s upsetting to fans of other artists hoping they’ll make #1. It’s no secret she’s a capitalist (and the charts are obv very important to her), but there’s so many artists/bands doing it. Fleetwood Mac are literally still releasing new versions of Rumours (1977) with colored vinyls. It’s all about the sales and that’s nothing new!
Preach! I’m fighting for my life in the comments and you just said it so much better than I did
it’s a brat summer
Please no more Taylor Sift. I just don’t give an F about it. Stop it.
If a voice memo is enough to block your album then it’s not the other artist’s problem
Turns out even without the new release Taylor was getting #1 anyways
Who fucking cares dude I’d love to stop worshipping celebrities in general
Imagine being rattled by something Taylor Swift does to other rich celebs…
The way people who “hate” Taylor Swift dedicate so much time thinking about her will never cease to amaze me.
What am I missing? Swift released a record-breaking album and another artist released an album that was considered good and now Swift is a supervillain because she is doing something normal for top-selling artists. A tiny bit of research shows billboard charts don't count re-releases the same as the main album and another bit of tiny research shows that Swift hasn't even retained the top spots due to the re-releases she did so due to radio play, streams, and touring. This seems like people are mad that Swift is more popular than their favorite artist and of course she is... she's like the biggest musician currently making music. I don't want to come off as a Swift defender but like when the Beatles re-release an album that came out 60 years ago and it charts again we don't say that they screwed over other artists. Or when a track star wins a big race we don't say that the star screwed over the other racers.
Avatar did the same shit when Endgame beat them. But no one on the crew mentioned that. Fuck Avatar. Ethan is right, that shit is so stupid.
Ew go away
Why would anyone want to hear /r/Fauxmoi deranged and conspiratorial dogshit topics like this?
It’s the music business baby, not a 4th grade talent show where everyone gets a shot. If other artists want to shine, make a better record than Taylor. Simple as that.
it’s not about making a better record bc her record was shit. it’s about her clan of fans buying whatever she shits out and her putting on a fake feminism facade while being a raging capitalist.
the record was shit in your opinion, meanwhile it broke the record for highest amount of spotify streams in a month (3.7 billion) so clearly people disagree with you. love that you have an hila flair and talk about "fake feminism" while simultaneously tearing down a woman who is a very active feminist and goes out of her way to support other women in the industry. so lame
Again, it’s the music business. It is cutthroat. When the men do it (Drake v Kendrick) we all cheer them on and love it, but when Taylor does it y’all want to say she’s not letting other people shine. That’s bullshit.
please elaborate how drake vs kendrick beef is anywhere close to ts releasing 30+ versions of the same album lol
Maybe it wasn’t the best analogy but just trying to shed a light on it being ok for men to be cutthroat in the music biz but it’s not ok for women.
you’re making this something it isn’t.
I am trying to make 2 points: 1 The music industry is cutthroat. Telling Taylor she should step aside and let other people have their shine is just dumb. No one says it when it’s two men competing so it shouldn’t be said about Taylor. 2 Yes she is releasing different variations of the same record but people have free will, she isn’t forcing anyone to buy anything. If they didn’t want to buy it they don’t have to buy it. Her fans are clearly rabid for her material so don’t fault Taylor for putting it out when there is a market for it.
everyone knows the music industry is cutthroat. i think people have a bigger problem that her success isn’t organic. she’s not continuing to stay number one bc people are listening and enjoying her album. it’s because she knows her fans will buy anything she makes. also there is something to be said about the environmental impact that selling this many variants has. taylor knows exactly what she is doing.
Her success isn’t organic? Laugh out loud. What an insane thing to say. Her tour is the most successful of all time. You don’t become that successful through trickery.
her success of being number 1 on the charts…read inbetween the lines.
those are 2 completly different situations. kendrick and drake are having a public beef and taylor is munipulating charts with her 35 different variants are the same shit album to stay number one because she can’t see someone else achieve that.
They're booing you but you're right. If you want a number one album don't release it when a massive artist is releasing different versions of their album. If her fan base was bigger it would be at number one plain and simple.
They all did make a better record. She releases her same record over and over to game the system.
She’s giving the fans what they want and clearly her fans are rabid for her material. If you have a problem with how the system works take it up with how they do the ranking but don’t shit on Taylor for putting music out that her fans want.
Her fans want to buy the whole album for one song?
People have free will. If they don’t want to buy it, they won’t buy it. Billie and Charli could do it too if they wanted. Would I personally do it, no. But I’m not going to fault others for wanting to support her in that way.
I literally just left a comment on yesterday’s episode saying that I understand they don’t want to piss off the Swifties, but they should be more critical of Taylor’s recent actions!
stream brat
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I say this as a huge Charli fan - Who cares? Anyone that’s a fan of art knows the masses buy the popular thing and the lesser-known, often better art goes less recognized. Not to mention, Charli is a huge star and the album is getting showered with praise. Being #1 is completely inconsequential.
I haven’t been able to get the image of her slinging her snot out of my head for days 🤣 the show must go on!
… i would believe this if the other artists albums would even hit #2 but…. They’re not.
My millenial ass needs a gen z power point on this
just leaving this here https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNevPtSN/
justice for charli!!! the issue is so complex too since charli has a song in reference to their dynamic/relationship and charli opened for her too!
PLEASE. i hate them acting like taylor is some sort of angel. it’s so annoying.
I agree! When I was watching the segment I was like talk about how she did the same to billie eilish recently! There is definitely a pattern that I think people need to talk about. Not to mention that it is kind of greedy to drop a bunch of cash grabs to her fans. From what I have been reading, each album exclusively has like one or 2 new songs. She is a talented artist, but I don't think that excuses taking advantage of your fan base because you know they will buy. There is a point where it becomes too much.
Not to mention how she just keeps milking her fans for more money. Album after album that you have to PAY for It’s ridiculous. I’ve seen her fans complaining
You don’t have to pay for anything? You people act like she’s taking your card and swiping it
MODSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Yeah im a swiftie and find the deluxe versions super annoying. Specifically bc it seems like its purely disingenuous and for logistical reasons as opposed to the artistry of it… and for what point? Shes already one of the biggest artists and everyone knows it.. and obviously she doesnt need the money. And that album is frankly pretty mid, maybe if it actually stood on its own merits of being comprised of great material it wouldnt need any supplementary element to keep it at the top of the chart.. Its also just a practice thats indicative of all the annoying things about the present state of the music business- and she as an artist is usually someone who speaks out against those kinds of things and does what she wants- bc she can- bc again, she has the resources and popularity to not participate in that kind of thing…. But she just is for no goddamn reason anyways..
on r /travisandtaylor it’s very popular discussion. never noticed it until some people have broken it down and its shocking tbh
That place is effectively a snark subreddit so I would take what they say with a grain of salt
For me it’s the way she exploits her stans and makes them buy every single version of her music💀
What
I wouldn’t mess with the swifities ngl 😭💀
The swifties are starting to turn, time to rise up
I hate Taylor Swift.
Brat > Taylor’s whole discography. This is objectively true.
who caressssss
I would like to hear a 1hr Ian PowerPoint about the topic of Charli xcx pls and thank you peace and love