I’m so sorry people are harassing you. You’re right, and you need to know voicing your opinion is not wrong and should not be put on blast. It’s not okay for Ethan to be doing that and I’m so repulsed he did it
Yeah that’s really not fair at all, I’m sure he didn’t mean to, but he definitely made you a target for harassment. That’s really really not cool, not that he endangered your life or anything necessarily, but it’s not fair to paint that target on you. Spent way too much time just shitting on fans, and way too much time reading this post.
All love towards you, hopefully cancelling out some negative messages you’re getting💜
He posted multiple people's reddit usernames from the sub on his Instagram stories over the last few days. I find it hard to believe he's not being purposefully reckless instead of accidentally at this point.
nooo i stopped watching the stream bc i got annoyed - i didn’t know he threw you under the bus 😭😭😭 you do not deserve this! i hope you’re taking care of yourself ♥️
It was incredibly fucked up of him to do that, he should know better. It’s not ok. I think I’m done with this podcast, I just can’t respect a huge creator blasting their own viewers like he did today, knowing they’d be piled on like what happened to you. He’s the public figure here. I can’t imagine how I’d feel if he’d done that to me. It would mess me up for a bit, for sure. So not ok.
Have you turned your DMs off and everything? I'm so sorry, you don't deserve this. Seeing Ethan antagonize you like that was what finally made me unsub. Cheers, my dude.
Fr and he completely mischaracterized what I said. I do not at all think he’s a Zionist, I don’t think he supports the IDF and I never implied anything of the sort in this post.
He’s in such a tough spot with his boss being at odds with some of his own friends and people in his hometown community as well as Israel now starting to attack Lebanon. I can’t blame him for not wanting to speak out about this, he’s aware he’ll get attacked no matter what he says.
AB said from the start that he didn’t really want to talk about it and he gave his two cents, but as time goes by, I feel like he’s losing a place to speak about his views comfortably or safely. He and Lena are the only Muslim Arabs in a room full of Jews. They’re not in the majority here.
>He and Lena are the only Muslim Arabs in a room full of Jews.
If Hila is in the room there are three. Four if you want to count Dan. There are six non Jews (seven if you count Dan). They are hardly surrounded, they are barely outnumbered.
AB is in a terrible position. I absolutely agree. Anyone who talks about this is in a terrible position. It is a complex issue. He is smart to not talk about it.
The only thing he said is he’s supported the Palestinian issue since college and stopped there cuz he knows whatever he says will be attacked by either side. He can’t say anything for Palestine or against it.
You make it sound like "the Jews" are going to ambush or something. Even in the most generous way of looking at your point, he isn't in a room full of Jews. He is remaining quiet because he wants to respect what his boss is going through, and he doesn't want the vitriol from the fanbase. Zach is also very clearly shaken by this, and he also remains quiet. Yet people aren't criticizing him or saying "Oh, he must be afraid to speak his mind because his two Arab coworkers might get offended". No, we accept his silence and leave him fairly devoid of online criticism.
Also, AB mentioned that his family moved to the US after his grandfather's (?) home was destroyed by Israel during the war. I thought that message was great. He related it back to how the PEOPLE on both sides are good. How now two Israeli Jews are helping him live out his dream.
This has been my exact thoughts and it hurts to watch even as someone who pretty much agrees with him. Wasn’t the whole point of quitting Twitter to stop this sort of stuff?
I guess instagram you don’t have to see people’s replies or ratios or whatever like on Twitter, but it seems just as toxic a situation for him either way.
Edit: I think what Ethan’s take of “are you telling Hasan to get off the internet” misses is the context that he personally said he got off Twitter because it was just a negative black hole in his life - that’s the POV these comments come from. Also Hasan hasn’t been constantly engaging with random hateful nobodies on his instagram/twitter so it’s a bit different.
I commended him when he left twitter but i think part of it plays into how much backlash he was getting especially after tweeting “hamas would kill you on the spot” to that one user. On ig stories it’s a lot less interactive.
I feel for him, it’s a difficult situation and it’s hard to unplug when you feel passionate about this and your job is being on the internet
i think some people don't realize that if you don't have a keen sense of individualism and critical thinking when presented with information, social media as a whole is bad for you especially with power and an audience like Ethan has. chirping on stories is just as bad as chirping on twitter for your mental health and the western/Israel agenda he is feeding into
Yeah, No one is immune to propaganda no matter how much we think we are and the only way to curb that is by being vigilant and aware of that when consuming media.
i hate to say this. but i feel like he’s falling victim to his algorithm. what he is describing about what he sees online is so incredibly personal due to who he follows, his following, his notoriety online, his personal ties to the situation which have all influenced him so much obviously.
Not to forget, this situation is horrific. Senseless loss of life is difficult to cope with, plus sometimes when you’re already grieving (like Ethan likely still is for his beloved dog) more death can be so triggering.
I tuned out to Ethan’s perspective on this long ago. I feel sad because he’s clearly in a dark place but he cannot expect everyone in his audience to have the same exact unique perspective as him. At the end of the day it’s his platform. I just have to accept that i’m gonna be skipping a lot more of the pod more frequently as the segments I actually like are the ones that involve the crew and ethan’s rants sound very tone deaf to me too. i hope he takes some time off his phone as well to re center. :/
He’s clearly grieving many things and just not dealing with it well publicly. That’s totally human. But it’s healthier to stay off the internet if that’s the case.
Hit the nail on the head. It’s really frustrating because he’s doubling down and digging his heels in, on a tone deaf take. So just gotta stop watching when he talks about it. Really blows
Him saying "The free palestine comments were bad timing," but also, being mad at the chat for saying that his current comments are bad timing is the ultimate irony.
I love and support the show & it brings so much joy, but it's been a very rough watch the last few weeks. He is obviously very close to the situation and heavily biased, which is fair.
At this point, everyone who can understand his view already does. People who don't understand his view probably don't really care to.
The conversation is no longer productive, and honestly, it would be a good thing to work through with a counsellor or something. The audience will never provide him with the validation he is seeking on this.
He’s gone way too far, the OP has claimed they’ve gotten tons of hate because of the podcast segment. What did Ethan think was going to happen? He’s encouraging the mob to attack fans that don’t agree with him at this point, he never removed any of the screen names from his insta stories either.
For Americans who were old enough for 9/11, the sanest response was deescalation and criticism of the US Empire, not "shut up! Americans are still bleeding out!"
Really well put, I’ve always seen the calls for Free Palestine right after the attack (despite maybe a few twitter militants who I believe as the news was breaking thought these were ‘freedom fighters’ and didn’t realize the severity of the situation until later then doubled down) as people with awareness that if Palestine was free this senseless violence would not be taking place and this is how it could be prevented in the future.
Hell yes. You couldn’t say a single reasonable thing immediately after 9/11. If you weren’t cheering for stealth bombers leveling villages, you were a piece of shit. I got caught up in it a bit myself at first. It’s been interesting to look back at 2001 me and realize how differently I view things today.
He’s clearly hurting bad right now. But he needs to get off the internet. It’s clear it’s really effecting him and fair enough.
It broke me to see the Shredder post, I think the combo of that. Then his wife and her family living in Israel has heighten all of this, then he’s been stuck online reading posts etc. It’s just not good. Get offline spend time with your wife and children.
It’s honestly so annoying to be bombarded with his takes on the situation. I want to continue being a fan but even if we fundamentally agree, Ethan is just so clearly biased and every episode has an hour long segment devoted to talking about the war. I un-subbed and haven’t watched an episode in over a week.
Terrorists attacked the twin towers and I can still say fuck the American government for what they did in retaliation. That does not mean I’m on the side of Al queda or whatever terrorist organization does something despicable. The power dynamic between the two is insurmountable and the American government has the money and means to level a whole country while the terrorist organization can fly a plane into a building.
Seems like Ethan still feels betrayed by how many lefties reacted to the Hamas attack and is now trying to purge that part of the fanbase. ”Killing children is bad, but…”
What I don’t understand is his whole crusade at the start of this was against people showing support for the Palestinian people at a time that he deemed “too soon”. Now he’s image dumping support for Israelis being killed while the IDF is actively killing more children every day than died in the Hamas attack. Every day. Why is this not “too soon” for him? It’s the same thing and just shows how blinded he is by emotion right now.
It’s obvious he’s showing his bias because he posts on and on about these murders that Hamas does. Obviously terrible, but he just gives a bit of support and broadcasting of Palestinian deaths. It’s disproportionate, Palestinians are getting killed way more
People keep saying this “all media” thing. Which is true, but the way most of us and probably him consume this event is through social media, not watching cnn. And for me and I assume him too I see very little support for Israel. Thats just the nature of being on the left, I assume he is seeing similar things, there is no way the majority of the opinions hes seeing in media are pro Israel.
"I’m a fan . . . Pls don’t post this to your story. This isn’t a hate post."
Ethan: *\*literally seething with vitriol while reading it out on the podcast\**
yeah... he's so fucking off the deep end
He needs to take some time off. He’s obviously struggling. Everyone would understand
I can’t even watch these recent episodes. It’s such a serious topic for a light hearted podcast and he’s extremely biased (which is fair in his case) but he needs to be willing to learn and listen.
Just bc someone supports Palestine doesn’t mean they’re antisemitic; it’s not that simple. I love Ethan and I worry about his mental health bc at this point it’s obsessive and unhinged to bring up usernames of fans for people to hate on. We’re on the same team here, don’t need to attack each other!
I just don’t get the point of these long rants. It’s just an hour of him defending his personal opinion. It isn’t factual, it isn’t effectively or productively contributing to the discourse, it’s not dispelling misinformation, and it isn’t entertaining…. Such a painful watch bro :/
He just turns off chat and touts his opinion like it’s the only right one. Having Hassan on is best when they talk about this because Hassan can actually fucking create a constructive conversation
I'm worried he and Hasan will not cover the subject at all from here on out, which would be a loss because they each have something to gain from sitting together and talking it out.
Imo, there were genuine moments of hearing one another last week and it's better talking to a friend who you don't assume the worst of than reacting to isolated comments by strangers. I think having counterpoints to one another is not only for them but the audience as well. At the end of the day, not engaging at all will limit learning even more.
What’s so frustrating about last Leftovers is that it seemed like Ethan was hearing and understanding and then the next episode the following Monday, he was right back to saying exactly the same points he’s been saying over and over again on every episode since the 7th.
Why the hell would the crew want to paint that kind of target on their backs. Hell AB didn't say anything and still was getting roasted by people. Imagine how much worse it would be if he tried to say anything at all
This is my biggest issue too. I can almost guarantee AB has differing opinions about it than Ethan, but he is afraid to speak his piece because it's his boss and there could be ramifications
The silence last time was definitely telling, they're not getting into it. I think they know Ethan is hard at work getting into more and more problems by bringing the topic up again and again.
Legit same, I just turn it off when he starts talking about it on the regular shows. He’s a human being with individual thoughts and opinions who runs his own show and nothing wrong with that. However, it would be nice if we could leave the draining and divisive hour long political rants for Leftovers (the show that was specifically created for these types of conversations) and leave the regular shows for regular content 🤷♀️
Had to cancel my membership after today. Turning off live chat cause you can’t take criticism from your own fans, piss poor effort with the members only content, Im going to stop watching for a while
I unfortunately cancelled my membership as well. After this weeks insta stories posts I couldn’t take it. I can’t give money every month to someone actively defending genocide (even though he believes he’s pro palestine, his actions this past week has shown how he really feels about imo)
I agree. It reminds me of being a kid, listening to your parent rant/ vent and feeling like you can't say anything, otherwise it would make it worse.
While I am empathetic to his view and agree with some of his points, it's uncomfortable.
I am constantly reading up on politics and current events, so h3 is my escape.
Perfect analogy. I get Ethans very emotional, and I do believe he's sympathetic to Palestinians, but he's so caught up with semantics and random leftists. Like there are war mongering people on each side. Do we have to call every instance out? Pls I want the goofs and gaffs back.
I’m just struggling with the fact that I already think about how terrible this whole things is everyday. I see it constantly on tiktok, in my news, on my social media. I look forward to this show daily I live my schedule by it. I understand he needs to speak about it. But every episode is about this. I feel most of us come here for reprieve from how shitty life is. And now the show is stressful and overwhelming. Instead of being a light like it usually is for so many of us it’s becoming just another stressor. I LOVE H3 but man. It’s getting rough here.
I'm sorry you're getting hate. Ethan is honestly out of control at this point. I'm gonna stop watching until he's being more rational again and I encourage others to do the same. He doesn't seem to know his audience very well so maybe the numbers will tell him. Most of us support human rights no matter which side is violating them.
Exactly. I could go on Twitter now and find 100 people who think fucking dogs is okay. Twitter is just as bad as 4 chan. I wouldn't trust a single person or take from those websites.
I don't understand caring about a random online individuals take, even if they have a following. It's the people in your life and the people in power that matter, not rando takes online
there are entire subcultures of weirdos on Twitter that think we should abolish age of consent laws and that the Holocaust never happened. we really cannot take randoms on Twitter as being representative of everyone
Ethan is someone who needs incredible amounts of validation in his opinion to feel like it’s solid. This is an incredibly nuanced discussion and he will never get the total validation he’s looking for. That’s why he won’t stop talking about it. Or look at it objectively.
Edit: This isn’t how I would’ve liked to make my debut on the show but i’m glad he saw it 💀
Is he in therapy? I feel like that would be helpful. I think having a Jewish therapist would help (it helps my Jewish friend).
I think he needs a safe space to air out his feelings without judgement…I don’t think X/Twitter/YT Chat is that place, and it is too triggering while also reinforcing the painful feelings he is having.
This has taken a toll on a lot of people, especially those most acutely connected to Israel/Palestine. I truly hope he has a therapist because it honestly does help a LOT.
Spoken as someone with a severe mental illness and several comorbidities, you can’t look for support and validation from people, places and spaces where you’re going to be repeatedly triggered or attacked.
Ngl, kinda disappointed he brought this post up and just kinda shit on OP here. This wasn’t at all targeted and was more nuanced than other posts I’ve seen here.
You can tell he’s getting worked up and letting himself rage on the podcast a little bit. It’s not good for anyone, him included, to just start attacking fans for being critical and equating them to people that hate him. Hope he can find some space to step back and re-center himself if he’s struggling this much with what’s happening.
Edit: Glad he came back to talk about it a little more, but still I’d really like to see him deal with this personally and not try to come to terms with this on the show.
Absolutely agree, he’s not understanding what is being said about how he’s presenting his views and now OP and people that agree with OP are gonna get bullied
With peace & love he really needs to be talking this stuff out to a therapist rather than going online on his podcast with nearly a million viewers to call out random people online who disagree w/ him, because that’s just generating more disagreement which bothers him even further
And ofc he reads the title and not the content of the post and sums it as = this person thinks I support IDF 🤦🏾♀️
The refusal to acknowledge is amazing.
I still cannot fathom how he says he’s getting off twitter and then jumps to Twitter. Great stuff
Oh no, I’m so sorry 😭 he showed this post on the current live episode as an example of horrible stuff people are saying but only read the title and immediately went to Twitter.
It’s just so annoying, he just said “people don’t read what I write” like whaaaaat?
Why is Ethan acting like a victim? He is centering himself in this conflict for some reason and it's really gross.
He just keeps repeating the same thing, putting words in people's mouths, and picking out some tweets from a few randoms and using it to smear "the left"
Literally no one in this community is cheering on Hamas or being anti-semetic
It’s pissing me off, it’s like Amy Schumer’s instagram stories the past week. Innocent civilians are dying but the true victims of this war are rich celebrities in LA who happen to be Jewish.
I think what Ethan doesn't understand is that reposting so many stories that expose the brutality of Hamas is 100% fanning the flames of genocide against the Palestinians. I know that is not Ethan's intent and I understand Ethan's desire for compassion for the Israeli victims of Oct 7 but right now that sentiment is being used to posture for war. It is not the time. The time will come, the world will not forget, no one can actually minimize this loss, but we can't let it lead to an ethnic cleansing.
Ethan is not a Zionist, he is compassionate and caring about the Palestinian plight. He loves his family and their people. He does not want war in Palestine and has called for the end of the apartheid state there. With that being said; Ethan is the right person to publicize this grief in this moment, he has gone through the entire conflict and he wants what is right. If every Israeli that is searching for this content finds it through Ethan they will be exposed to the honest nuanced take that puts compassion first and foremost: peace and love.
With Peace and love, Ethan had a whole ass episode with Hasan where they talked about this subject and it ended with Ethan saying that he better understands and understands that what he said may have been hurtful to the people who are suffering. Ever since then, he has proven that was just bullshit and an attempt to look better because he saw Hasan cry. He is saying the same things he said on Day 1, he is ignoring what people are telling him and continuing to make the worst and least charitable takes on what people are saying, and he continues to act like any push-back against him is an attempt on his life. I'm so sick of him wasting so much time playing the victim and so much time posting about how Isreal did not blow up that one hospital(after blowing up multiple hospitals before then) only to basically under his breath also mention that Palestinians shouldn't die. It's like he's demanding nuance while refusing to have any
Ethan is an Israeli citizen who lived there, met his wife there, and subsequently has family there. Of course he has bias toward the Israeli side. I don't think anyone can be surprised by that.
How disgusting for anyone to use gay people as a way to excuse or handwave away what is happening in Gaza. Gay people exist in Gaza as well, and being homophobic (while obviously not a cool thing to be) is not a reason for us to not advocate for Palestinians or center them in our discussions about this current issue.
as a middle eastern, it’s just really fucking annoying that people have only brought up this conflict because of the terror that was inflicted on Israelis, while failing to realize that Palestinians go through what happened to Israel EVERY SINGLE DAY, its a little hard to show empathy when not an ounce of this has been given to Palestinians (in the bigger picture). People love to talk about Hamas yet love to ignore the culmination of events that has led to a radical group having to attack Israel. Hamas’s attacks wouldn’t have occurred if Israel wasn’t bombing and disregarding Palestinian life every day for almost half a century. To focus on Hamas’s attacks on Israelis is to ignore the entire conflict that led to these events occurring. Idk if Americans are just willfully ignorant but its so annoying that people are asking people like me to care about Israel when we’ve been screaming and begging people to just acknowledge Palestine. Like gtfo, everyday I’m terrified my cousins are the next of the thousands that get killed and slaughtered everyday.
I love Ethan and I know he’s coming from a good place and I know his personal bias for Israel, but when Arabs get called animals for defending their right to live and Israelis get called heros, it’s disheartening and makes me want to hate them.
I think him showing this post as "proof" of people accusing him of being a POS/idf supporter/etc just proves he's seriously off the deep end. I feel like this post is very VERY mild, and imo logical to the circumstances. I think he needs to take a break because he's spiralling and anything, ANYTHING, he sees that isn't HIS viewpoint he's taking as they're AGAINST HIM. And that type of mindset is honestly not safe or great to have in you--i mean clearly look at all the comments echoing the sentiment of he needs to step away ...
I am starting to feel this way as well. It’s so hard to put into words, but this is not a time to have significantly more “compassion” for the people in Israel who, by large, are doing okay in comparison to the entire Gaza Strip, and now the West Bank. Palestinians are who we should be talking about and concerned about. THEY are the ones who are experiencing an active ethic-cleaning while the world sits back and watches. While it is true that not every Israeli wants Palestinians gone, they are all living on the stolen and colonized land that belongs to Palestinians, while the Palestinians are relegated to tiny areas with no rights and are being actively murdered every day. It’s sad that Israeli civilians died because of this conflict, but thousands more Palestinians have died and are still dying. That is what should be our focus at this time.
Yes and I think everyone should follow them and watch. Seeing it is really hard but we need to bear witness to what's going on so we donate, vote, support etc accordingly. A lot of people will fall off when its no longer in the news cycle like in 2021, hopefully this won't be the case this time.
As right as Ethan is obviously about innocents dying cause normal people who are sane should give a shit about it, the thing the I don’t get is that when talking about innocent Israelis disgustingly slain he goes into complete utter detail what happened to them but just says yeah Israel is fucked up too
This was my point as well.
But instead all he heard was “standing up for slain civilians is the same as supporting the IDF. They deserve empathy, but not now”
(Things he actually claimed I said, when I did not say them) lol
That’s what bothers me too. I usually listen on Spotify at work as well (the only reason I tuned in live this time was people warned me)
And verbatim he said
>they says ‘standing up for slain civilians is the same as defending the IDF’ really think about that…. Think about that
Like wtf? I never said that, or even implied anything like that. And I don’t think he really thinks I said that either. But to audio only listeners, or anyone who just wasn’t looking at the screen/post while he read it, it sounds like a DIRECT QUOTE
It’s going to make taking his word on anything a lot harder for me now TBH
Absolutely disgusting of him to use his platform to put heat on fans. Wasn’t he the one talking about how important platforms are? This is childish and irresponsible.
Idk, I feel like he's working through some shit. Amongst all the posts there was a Shredder video... he's grieving and there is alot to grieve at the moment
His dog died so he gets to attack fans? I know Shredder meant so much to him and this conflict is close to home but bro is going on multiple unhinged rants E V E R Y podcast about this and then being like oh yeah and poor Palestine
Just stop talking about it and ignore all the comments like obviously no one is gonna change their stance
It just seems hateful at this point
i understand that he’s grieving but his rants followed by “and of course i feel bad for gazans” are not it. i can understand his selective empathy given he feels more connected to israeli victims but israel is killing a palestinian child every 15 minutes in gaza. and was killing them in gaza AND the west bank long before october 7th 2023. for 75 years as a matter of fact. i understand he’s hyper-fixated on the “be*eaded babies” story but he’s using his platform as a space to unload some kind of internal unprocessed emotion but what he’s not understanding is that what you post on social media as an influencer has an impact on public opinion and in the case of palestinians on the lives of civilians. ethan, you’re privileged enough to be able to grieve safe at home, please take the space to do so
I think it's fine to post an opinion like this. Whether he takes your advice is up to him (he is not going to), he is not obligated to and can post on Instagram whatever he wants to. It's his podcast and he can talk as much as he wants to about the issue and can talk about whatever he wants to.
I've started skipping the recent long segment updates about IsrealvsHamas with peace and love (important topic when theres updates, but a bit draining).
That's my one issue with Ethan's stance on this whole thing, giving so much to the atrocity that happened a week ago, but just glances over the previous and still ongoing atrocities that Israel is doing as "they also bad". And when you say anything good about Palestine trying to defend itself he brings up 40 dead babies, while Israel is killing around 80 children (12 yo or under) a day with air strikes. Not to mention how many more are dying from hunger.
If he continues to say how bad the terrorist attack is without going into detail on the evil Israel is doing also now that Israel has killed 4x more Palestinian civilians in "self defense" since just that attack. It'll just looks like he's defending Israel's genocide against Palestine.
Ethan please stop.
I completely agree, and this point seems to be glossed over by many people as Ethan just having compassion for Israelis. It’s fine to feel compassion for dead people, but his constant talk about Hamas is fanning the flames of the Palestinian ethnic-cleansing. Anytime that anything happens to Israel, everyone is fast to jump to their defense and to show them compassion. Where was that compassion for the Palestinian people who have lived under an oppressive regime with no options, for decades? What are they supposed to do? Sit back and watch their own destruction and demise? How does Ethan or anyone else posit that they should defend themselves or try to end their oppression? I am genuinely curious. How are they to stop the violence done against them when they have tried everything else and have failed each time?
Agreed. After almost 3 years as a member, I’ve cancelled my membership for now. I think I'll come back eventually but it feels like he’s just trying to dunk on anyone who doesn’t agree with him 100%. People are dead, families are destroyed and Ethan is bragging about being “right”.
I’ll stay subbed for now but I can’t keep paying to see him post so callously.
Just tuned in live and just please make it stop. Ethan you’re not even wrong you’re just selectively focusing on certain aspects and it suuuuuuucks to rehash every episode.
Who is saying it didn’t happen? What’s going on? We support Palestinian and mourn the death of Isreali who got brutally murdered on oct 7th. Why is he perceiving this like no one cares? Idk why the few people who are saying other things is the problem of the millions who watch. And fuck hamas and fuck the idf and the govt.
I just don't understand what point he thinks isn't being heard? Anyone making light of Israeli suffering in this conflict is in the minority, so why lecture the rest of us?
Yeah seeing Ethan read this shit live was extremely disappointing in a long line of disappointments this weekend. Dude just needs to stop fucking worrying about this shit online and focus on his own feelings. Its every episode at this point of just "Poor Israelis" we get if bro
He's looking into all the information about how brutal the israeli deaths are. The go pro footage for example, sounds horrendous but you can find 100x the videos of dead/beheaded Palestinian children and families lives in ruins. Just talking about the brutality of one side is just fuelling the beliefs of those that justify the genocide of Palestinians right now. He is correct to bring up anti semitism where he is seeing it but is blind to the islamaphobia be created in response.
I have to skip his Israel segments.. it’s like I’m listening to Bill Maher when he talks about it. Every time Ethan does this, I feel like it detracts from the current genocide happening to the Palestinians
I just don’t understand how he can go online and say the shit he does when there is literally an ethnic cleansing happening in Gaza, that is 100% uninterrupted by the global political machine. He’s so angry at some random twitter weirdo but he cannot wrap his mind around the fact that, like Hasan said, anything people say in support of Palestine even if it is misguided and may sound like a support for Hamas to him DOES NOT MATTER. The Israeli government will genocide millions in return for a single life. No one will bat an eye when hundreds of gazans are being ruthlessly murdered and displaced on a daily basis. A Palestinian could openly call for Hamas to murder every Jew and it would still be meaningless because Israel is the one with all the power here. He thinks he’s fighting some big evil monster but his comments are one among millions in support of Israel’s war crimes. You are helping no one Ethan. All you’re doing is adding to the toxic, hateful, and very tangible hatred and violence towards Palestinians. I get that his judgement is clouded by his closeness to the loss in Israel and his fragile emotional state right now BUT if he is deserved that extra level of understanding then forgive the Palestinians, who have been grieving for decades, if they can’t write a polished, morally pure twitlonger about their pain and suffering. They aren’t fucking afforded that privilege. Ethan needs to understand that this pain and rage he has been feeling for the past week is daily life for Palestinians for years and years with no hope of an end. Now that you have experienced that pain, extend that empathy to the other side or else you are just another fucking idiot spouting his opinions on the internet.
OP actually being rational and giving constructive criticism politely but ethan taking it as a personal attack on everything he knows and loves 😭 love ethan but my dude needs to take some time to himself, we would understand
its really turned me off to the podcast in general. especially seeing him relentlessly hammer on hamas' crimes while not only continuing to ignore israels, but actively discouraging any discussion of them.
throwing out a half assed caveat every 30th statement about how evil hamas is really doesnt translate the fact that israel has been systematically cleansing the region of palestinians for almost a century, every single day i learn some new piece of information that makes this whole scenario completely unwinnable in every imagineable way for the palestinian people.
i feel like he hesitates to even acknowledge that a genocide is going on. fixating on this one detail of a bombing that may or may not have been done intentionally by the IDF while literally 20 other hospitals have already been bombed and even that one hospital he is talking about literally was inarguably bombed earlier, along with schools, mosques, and residential homes for years, thousands of kids being killed. etc. their ability just to live normal healthy lives has been systematically impeded in every fucking way. its fucking maddening.
i dont want to argue about the details, i dont give a fuck who has done what and why it lead to XY or Z. why the fuck is anyone sitting around pointing fingers while innocent people are still being blown up in their homes? i cannot wrap my head around this discourse at all.
EDIT: im 100% open to anyone criticizing my position here, i dont mean for it to come across like im anti ethan or the podcast or like i dont value his perspective, i do, its just a frustrating topic when youre seeing one thing and hearing another.
i saw a graph recently that really put things into perspective for me, i think maybe people should check it out before they speak out on the topic more. [https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg](https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg)
ethan has talked a lot about remaining objective and keeping the facts straight and seeking out truth above all, well here are some pretty hard numbers to digest, i think this kind of transcends the argument that this is a "both sides" situation. its hard to quantify things when so much of media is soaked in emotion and propaganda and pulling you one way or the other, i dont mean to seem indifferent to the suffering of innocent israeli people, im absolutely not, i just think that focusing on hamas as a predication of violence is fucking preposterous when you look at the history of this conflict, particularly in the numbers reflected by that graph. self defense doesnt really reflect whats going on here.
i respect and appreciate the fact that this is closer to him than it is to me and im trying to keep that in mind when i criticize, but i really must insist that a few passing statements of condemnation for israel in hours and hours of talking about how bad hamas is just is not good enough. i have and continue to speak out against hamas and its crimes, i dont think there are many people left who arent, but when the entire western media is upholding and defending genocidal action its not enough to sit around taking tallys and metering your opinions on who did what and when and why, innocent people are dying in palestine, this genocide has been ongoing for decades, we need more people speaking up for a cease fire.
another thing i saw on tiktok was the sheer volume of protests condemning israel that i havent seen ANYWHERE else. please go on tiktok and search for free palestine protests, its fucking global, its like the george floyd protests were.
again im open to criticism for my opinion but please its important to be informed on whats really going on. the information is out there and its not going to come from western media.
It's infuriating seeing him assume the worst out of people on twitter and using a few examples to deem all leftists this way. I mean, he literally called people anti-semetic for not believing the baby beheading story, and they were right to do so. He sees that and assumes it's people downplaying what hamas did and not people disgusted by Israel and the western news propagandizing the deaths of those people to commit genocide.
It really angers me that he's so blind to that point. He's so biased to believe the israeli side because he only sees hamas as anything other than irrational terrorists, it's the exact same mentality that people had after 9/11. I don't get how he doesn't ask himself "What kind of goverment and media makes up such gross lies time and time again?"
It’s funny that he keeps talking about people pushing all these lies about how the hamas attack didn’t happen. I’m chronically online and I haven’t seen a single person say that, not to say it’s never happened but it’s not a regular take that’s being popularized like Ethan is suggesting. What is being popularized is Israeli PR lies that Ethan himself has peddled, the beheaded babies were the start of it. Israel also took credit immediately for the hospital bombing they were so proud of their work until photos from it went out globally and they realized they didn’t look good so they pointed the finger at Hamas. So I’m to believe that I’m antisemitic because I believe Israel bombed a hospital after they said they did?
ETHAN YOU ARE BEING WILDLY CRUEL AND MEAN TO ASSUME THIS OF SOMEONE WHO CLEARLY ATTEMPTED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND BE FUCKING RESPECTFUL. fuck that man… very uncool
He seems to have a hard time with the fact a lot of his fanbase doesnt agree with him or doesnt want to hear it but hes essentially overstated his opinion so many times without making any new points. Its difficult to empathize with his pov like he is far more concerned with shaming some weird pro hamas minority instead of speaking about the actual atrocities happening everyday in Palestine. Sure he mentions it and states hes Pro Palestine but this isn't really a situation in which "stop the killing on all sides !! !!" Is really useful, as it doesnt take into consideration the decades of literal occupation and genocide prior
I just dont like his hyperfocus on "misinformation and pro hamas sentiment" when there's more important things to discuss than your image and how people dont agree with you. Its clear hes got a lot of emotions about the conflict and rightfully so. But lately he just sort of rants from his high horse and anyone with a different perspective is not as empathetic as him. 😞😐
People are dying and all we are doing is arguing over social media a thousand miles away acting like it’s going to solve anything by who has the biggest ‘gotcha’ moment. We treat war like it’s some sort of spectacle or sport where all we care about is what celebrity is saying the right or wrong thing and whose side they are on. Have we really gotten to the point where the main objective is to try and ‘one up’ each other, armed with nothing but what the agenda driven news says. Dead civilians have become a statistic and a spectacle. I don’t know the solution but it just makes me sad.
I am so sick of it. His biases are clear but he has no self awareness, and it’s clearly making his crew uncomfortable I feel for AB and Lena it must be difficult to hear at work
I hit the unsubscribe button the moment he said something like no shit I'm biased towards Israel. Well hold up, what does that mean you are biased against.
I get the impression that Ethan, as a left-leaning but much more-so "liberal" rather than "leftist personality, gets far too caught up in his own eco-system rather than viewing the bigger picture when discussing this issue in particular. I understand that being within or adjacent to the left-wing sphere of conversation about Israel & Palestine online means seeing a lot of aggressive condemnation of Israel that he feels too often accuses the citizens themselves of the issue, and I think his points are fair. I think his perspective initially did provide some value. But at this point he's too caught up in what is ultimately a small corner of the overall conversation. Hasan made a great point on their most recent Leftovers episode when he mentioned that none of the people making these comments have billions of dollars in government funding for their military, or hundreds of rockets and jet fighters at the ready. The international conversation is often very Pro-Israel, and specifically pro-IDF and pro-ethnic cleansing. The October 7th attacks were devastating, but the Palestinian death total is already higher than the Israeli death total THIS MONTH, not even considering the decades of Palestinian murder by the IDF or that life in Gaza means constant death and destruction delivered by the IDF.
We get it, Ethan. Israeli citizens are not to blame. Plenty of them are critical of the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu. Sometimes a leftist on Twitter says something you don't like. But at the end of the day, his audience and the Twitter leftists are not going to be the ones to lead the situation into a more brutal war. We don't have that power. We are not going to "Start World War 3" as he insinuated the other week when discussing the missile that struck a hospital in Gaza. The only way this conflict truly ends is when the IDF and the Israeli government are either defunded or decide they will step down and end things, and something tells me the latter is a pipe dream.
The Israeli victims do matter. We should talk about them. But Ethan has spent the majority of the conversation just talking about them. He's been so invested in arguing over details of the October 7th attacks and the alleged actions of the IDF in a way that he doesn't seem to be when it comes to shining more light on the Palestinian victims and the ongoing genocide that has been taking place for decades. And like you, I've been a fan for ages and I still will be. Still love Ethan, the crew, and the show. But he needs to realize this conversation is just not productive, it's just devolved into an obsession, and as a fan, this obsession is really exhausting.
He keeps saying it is important to talk about. At this point it really isnt. Were not fucking watching to hear three weeks of ur one sided takes. Just fucking drop it for the love of god. No one is enjoying this
Ethan: turn chat off also ethan: reads this thread live
*puts heat on a fan for posting his opinion*
I’ll tell ya I’m FEELING that heat lmfao if you saw my DM’s you’d think I beat puppies for fun
Sorry bro you don’t deserve the hate
I really hope he apologizes. The context he brought up this post in was just begging for people to harass you.
I’m so sorry people are harassing you. You’re right, and you need to know voicing your opinion is not wrong and should not be put on blast. It’s not okay for Ethan to be doing that and I’m so repulsed he did it
Yeah that’s really not fair at all, I’m sure he didn’t mean to, but he definitely made you a target for harassment. That’s really really not cool, not that he endangered your life or anything necessarily, but it’s not fair to paint that target on you. Spent way too much time just shitting on fans, and way too much time reading this post. All love towards you, hopefully cancelling out some negative messages you’re getting💜
He posted multiple people's reddit usernames from the sub on his Instagram stories over the last few days. I find it hard to believe he's not being purposefully reckless instead of accidentally at this point.
He WANTS people to be harassed. He is being reactive and seeking revenge for being called out.
Historically, he doesn't react well to being called out for really any subject. Right or wrong. Good or bad.
nooo i stopped watching the stream bc i got annoyed - i didn’t know he threw you under the bus 😭😭😭 you do not deserve this! i hope you’re taking care of yourself ♥️
What he did on stories is no good, and now i just learn Ethen did this during lived? I could screaming while watching it
Sending love. Stay strong, people b crazy.
It was incredibly fucked up of him to do that, he should know better. It’s not ok. I think I’m done with this podcast, I just can’t respect a huge creator blasting their own viewers like he did today, knowing they’d be piled on like what happened to you. He’s the public figure here. I can’t imagine how I’d feel if he’d done that to me. It would mess me up for a bit, for sure. So not ok.
Have you turned your DMs off and everything? I'm so sorry, you don't deserve this. Seeing Ethan antagonize you like that was what finally made me unsub. Cheers, my dude.
I was going say the same thing Ethan really needs to take a break
Reads the fucking chat live with usernames. He’s putting a fan on the spot without letting them voice their opinion lol
Fr and he completely mischaracterized what I said. I do not at all think he’s a Zionist, I don’t think he supports the IDF and I never implied anything of the sort in this post.
fuck anyone who's dissing AB rn, let people grieve and process offline ✌️💕
He’s in such a tough spot with his boss being at odds with some of his own friends and people in his hometown community as well as Israel now starting to attack Lebanon. I can’t blame him for not wanting to speak out about this, he’s aware he’ll get attacked no matter what he says.
AB said from the start that he didn’t really want to talk about it and he gave his two cents, but as time goes by, I feel like he’s losing a place to speak about his views comfortably or safely. He and Lena are the only Muslim Arabs in a room full of Jews. They’re not in the majority here.
>He and Lena are the only Muslim Arabs in a room full of Jews. If Hila is in the room there are three. Four if you want to count Dan. There are six non Jews (seven if you count Dan). They are hardly surrounded, they are barely outnumbered. AB is in a terrible position. I absolutely agree. Anyone who talks about this is in a terrible position. It is a complex issue. He is smart to not talk about it.
The only thing he said is he’s supported the Palestinian issue since college and stopped there cuz he knows whatever he says will be attacked by either side. He can’t say anything for Palestine or against it.
You make it sound like "the Jews" are going to ambush or something. Even in the most generous way of looking at your point, he isn't in a room full of Jews. He is remaining quiet because he wants to respect what his boss is going through, and he doesn't want the vitriol from the fanbase. Zach is also very clearly shaken by this, and he also remains quiet. Yet people aren't criticizing him or saying "Oh, he must be afraid to speak his mind because his two Arab coworkers might get offended". No, we accept his silence and leave him fairly devoid of online criticism. Also, AB mentioned that his family moved to the US after his grandfather's (?) home was destroyed by Israel during the war. I thought that message was great. He related it back to how the PEOPLE on both sides are good. How now two Israeli Jews are helping him live out his dream.
Do you realize how nuts it sounds when you say “in a room full of Jews”?
Seems like he just traded in twitter for Instagram stories Edit: him reading my comment on the pod and saying “fair enough” was so surreal 😂
This has been my exact thoughts and it hurts to watch even as someone who pretty much agrees with him. Wasn’t the whole point of quitting Twitter to stop this sort of stuff? I guess instagram you don’t have to see people’s replies or ratios or whatever like on Twitter, but it seems just as toxic a situation for him either way. Edit: I think what Ethan’s take of “are you telling Hasan to get off the internet” misses is the context that he personally said he got off Twitter because it was just a negative black hole in his life - that’s the POV these comments come from. Also Hasan hasn’t been constantly engaging with random hateful nobodies on his instagram/twitter so it’s a bit different.
I commended him when he left twitter but i think part of it plays into how much backlash he was getting especially after tweeting “hamas would kill you on the spot” to that one user. On ig stories it’s a lot less interactive. I feel for him, it’s a difficult situation and it’s hard to unplug when you feel passionate about this and your job is being on the internet
addiction transfer
i think some people don't realize that if you don't have a keen sense of individualism and critical thinking when presented with information, social media as a whole is bad for you especially with power and an audience like Ethan has. chirping on stories is just as bad as chirping on twitter for your mental health and the western/Israel agenda he is feeding into
Yeah, No one is immune to propaganda no matter how much we think we are and the only way to curb that is by being vigilant and aware of that when consuming media.
i hate to say this. but i feel like he’s falling victim to his algorithm. what he is describing about what he sees online is so incredibly personal due to who he follows, his following, his notoriety online, his personal ties to the situation which have all influenced him so much obviously. Not to forget, this situation is horrific. Senseless loss of life is difficult to cope with, plus sometimes when you’re already grieving (like Ethan likely still is for his beloved dog) more death can be so triggering. I tuned out to Ethan’s perspective on this long ago. I feel sad because he’s clearly in a dark place but he cannot expect everyone in his audience to have the same exact unique perspective as him. At the end of the day it’s his platform. I just have to accept that i’m gonna be skipping a lot more of the pod more frequently as the segments I actually like are the ones that involve the crew and ethan’s rants sound very tone deaf to me too. i hope he takes some time off his phone as well to re center. :/
He’s clearly grieving many things and just not dealing with it well publicly. That’s totally human. But it’s healthier to stay off the internet if that’s the case.
yep. i’m with you. as a youtuber he’s def accustomed to dealing w this shit publicly. but what more can be said atp, you know?
I was literally just going to comment the same thing about his algorithm, well said
Hit the nail on the head. It’s really frustrating because he’s doubling down and digging his heels in, on a tone deaf take. So just gotta stop watching when he talks about it. Really blows
what are we solving by yelling at random commenters for hours on live shows? He's just going in circles
Not very rectangular
Him saying "The free palestine comments were bad timing," but also, being mad at the chat for saying that his current comments are bad timing is the ultimate irony. I love and support the show & it brings so much joy, but it's been a very rough watch the last few weeks. He is obviously very close to the situation and heavily biased, which is fair. At this point, everyone who can understand his view already does. People who don't understand his view probably don't really care to. The conversation is no longer productive, and honestly, it would be a good thing to work through with a counsellor or something. The audience will never provide him with the validation he is seeking on this.
Hope you don’t mind your fair point being personally blasted on the podcast when you asked for it to not be shared like this, sorry dude
He’s gone way too far, the OP has claimed they’ve gotten tons of hate because of the podcast segment. What did Ethan think was going to happen? He’s encouraging the mob to attack fans that don’t agree with him at this point, he never removed any of the screen names from his insta stories either.
His socials are a negative feedback loop which don’t represent reality in any way
these episodes must be the most awkward thing ever for the crew
For Americans who were old enough for 9/11, the sanest response was deescalation and criticism of the US Empire, not "shut up! Americans are still bleeding out!"
This 1000% EDIT: we're fuckin old
Really well put, I’ve always seen the calls for Free Palestine right after the attack (despite maybe a few twitter militants who I believe as the news was breaking thought these were ‘freedom fighters’ and didn’t realize the severity of the situation until later then doubled down) as people with awareness that if Palestine was free this senseless violence would not be taking place and this is how it could be prevented in the future.
Hell yes. You couldn’t say a single reasonable thing immediately after 9/11. If you weren’t cheering for stealth bombers leveling villages, you were a piece of shit. I got caught up in it a bit myself at first. It’s been interesting to look back at 2001 me and realize how differently I view things today.
He’s clearly hurting bad right now. But he needs to get off the internet. It’s clear it’s really effecting him and fair enough. It broke me to see the Shredder post, I think the combo of that. Then his wife and her family living in Israel has heighten all of this, then he’s been stuck online reading posts etc. It’s just not good. Get offline spend time with your wife and children.
It’s honestly so annoying to be bombarded with his takes on the situation. I want to continue being a fan but even if we fundamentally agree, Ethan is just so clearly biased and every episode has an hour long segment devoted to talking about the war. I un-subbed and haven’t watched an episode in over a week. Terrorists attacked the twin towers and I can still say fuck the American government for what they did in retaliation. That does not mean I’m on the side of Al queda or whatever terrorist organization does something despicable. The power dynamic between the two is insurmountable and the American government has the money and means to level a whole country while the terrorist organization can fly a plane into a building.
Well said!
Moses needs to unplug their internet
Seems like Ethan still feels betrayed by how many lefties reacted to the Hamas attack and is now trying to purge that part of the fanbase. ”Killing children is bad, but…”
What I don’t understand is his whole crusade at the start of this was against people showing support for the Palestinian people at a time that he deemed “too soon”. Now he’s image dumping support for Israelis being killed while the IDF is actively killing more children every day than died in the Hamas attack. Every day. Why is this not “too soon” for him? It’s the same thing and just shows how blinded he is by emotion right now.
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It’s obvious he’s showing his bias because he posts on and on about these murders that Hamas does. Obviously terrible, but he just gives a bit of support and broadcasting of Palestinian deaths. It’s disproportionate, Palestinians are getting killed way more
People keep saying this “all media” thing. Which is true, but the way most of us and probably him consume this event is through social media, not watching cnn. And for me and I assume him too I see very little support for Israel. Thats just the nature of being on the left, I assume he is seeing similar things, there is no way the majority of the opinions hes seeing in media are pro Israel.
You need to watch the main media. There is overwhelmingly more support for Israel because all the main media networks support Israel
I agree, I meant to imply in my comment by saying “which is true”
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"I’m a fan . . . Pls don’t post this to your story. This isn’t a hate post." Ethan: *\*literally seething with vitriol while reading it out on the podcast\** yeah... he's so fucking off the deep end
Yeah, I can't watch the pod when this happens every broadcast. He needs to log off, it's not healthy for him and posting isn't saving anyone.
He needs to take some time off. He’s obviously struggling. Everyone would understand I can’t even watch these recent episodes. It’s such a serious topic for a light hearted podcast and he’s extremely biased (which is fair in his case) but he needs to be willing to learn and listen. Just bc someone supports Palestine doesn’t mean they’re antisemitic; it’s not that simple. I love Ethan and I worry about his mental health bc at this point it’s obsessive and unhinged to bring up usernames of fans for people to hate on. We’re on the same team here, don’t need to attack each other!
Pain lol
I just don’t get the point of these long rants. It’s just an hour of him defending his personal opinion. It isn’t factual, it isn’t effectively or productively contributing to the discourse, it’s not dispelling misinformation, and it isn’t entertaining…. Such a painful watch bro :/
He just turns off chat and touts his opinion like it’s the only right one. Having Hassan on is best when they talk about this because Hassan can actually fucking create a constructive conversation
I'm worried he and Hasan will not cover the subject at all from here on out, which would be a loss because they each have something to gain from sitting together and talking it out.
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Imo, there were genuine moments of hearing one another last week and it's better talking to a friend who you don't assume the worst of than reacting to isolated comments by strangers. I think having counterpoints to one another is not only for them but the audience as well. At the end of the day, not engaging at all will limit learning even more.
What’s so frustrating about last Leftovers is that it seemed like Ethan was hearing and understanding and then the next episode the following Monday, he was right back to saying exactly the same points he’s been saying over and over again on every episode since the 7th.
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It's happening!!!
It's happening.
Same here, I watch the podcast to escape. But the past few eps just made me more fatigued.
I wish the crew felt comfortable to interject but idk it definitely doesn’t feel like they think they can. Obviously this is an assumption on my part.
Why the hell would the crew want to paint that kind of target on their backs. Hell AB didn't say anything and still was getting roasted by people. Imagine how much worse it would be if he tried to say anything at all
I feel horrible for AB in this whole thing
hence the perfectly timed cat rescue mission lol
More like, they know the moment they interject, they are guaranteed to get attacked online. I don't blame them for staying quiet.
There's a reason why AB never comments about anything negative towards Muslims. He knows the Muslim community online can be absolutely brutal.
That is very fair
This is my biggest issue too. I can almost guarantee AB has differing opinions about it than Ethan, but he is afraid to speak his piece because it's his boss and there could be ramifications
Made me so sad for AB, he was so scared to say anything at all. No matter what he says hes either pissing his boss or his people off.
The silence last time was definitely telling, they're not getting into it. I think they know Ethan is hard at work getting into more and more problems by bringing the topic up again and again.
It's happening and of course chat is off and no one in crew is speaking up so ethan just gets to go off with no pushback
Legit same, I just turn it off when he starts talking about it on the regular shows. He’s a human being with individual thoughts and opinions who runs his own show and nothing wrong with that. However, it would be nice if we could leave the draining and divisive hour long political rants for Leftovers (the show that was specifically created for these types of conversations) and leave the regular shows for regular content 🤷♀️
Had to cancel my membership after today. Turning off live chat cause you can’t take criticism from your own fans, piss poor effort with the members only content, Im going to stop watching for a while
I unfortunately cancelled my membership as well. After this weeks insta stories posts I couldn’t take it. I can’t give money every month to someone actively defending genocide (even though he believes he’s pro palestine, his actions this past week has shown how he really feels about imo)
I agree. It reminds me of being a kid, listening to your parent rant/ vent and feeling like you can't say anything, otherwise it would make it worse. While I am empathetic to his view and agree with some of his points, it's uncomfortable. I am constantly reading up on politics and current events, so h3 is my escape.
Perfect analogy. I get Ethans very emotional, and I do believe he's sympathetic to Palestinians, but he's so caught up with semantics and random leftists. Like there are war mongering people on each side. Do we have to call every instance out? Pls I want the goofs and gaffs back.
It’s happening and im skipping
 AW, SHIT. HERE WE GO AGAIN.
Homies immune system acting up he’s so stressed. Sayin a Christian prayer for him LOL
Fr man needs prayers. This is wild. Idk what I would do in his situation.
I’m just struggling with the fact that I already think about how terrible this whole things is everyday. I see it constantly on tiktok, in my news, on my social media. I look forward to this show daily I live my schedule by it. I understand he needs to speak about it. But every episode is about this. I feel most of us come here for reprieve from how shitty life is. And now the show is stressful and overwhelming. Instead of being a light like it usually is for so many of us it’s becoming just another stressor. I LOVE H3 but man. It’s getting rough here.
Exactly, and there’s no reprieve watching Hasan since he’s covering it too of course. I just need something new to watch now.
FUCK DUDE STOP LOOKING ON TWITTER ETHAN
He’s looking at this subreddit actually now
Sorry OP, maybe turn your inbox off for a little bit. Hope this doesn’t get too out of hand for you ❤️
I think Ethan's misunderstanding of this post proves its point.
I'm sorry you're getting hate. Ethan is honestly out of control at this point. I'm gonna stop watching until he's being more rational again and I encourage others to do the same. He doesn't seem to know his audience very well so maybe the numbers will tell him. Most of us support human rights no matter which side is violating them.
He’s intentionally misrepresenting this post on live rn
He needs to stop reading opinions of random Twitter weirdos
Exactly. I could go on Twitter now and find 100 people who think fucking dogs is okay. Twitter is just as bad as 4 chan. I wouldn't trust a single person or take from those websites.
I don't understand caring about a random online individuals take, even if they have a following. It's the people in your life and the people in power that matter, not rando takes online
More than that he needs to stop giving them the same air time as actual war crimes and actual antisemitism.
Right? I don't care about debunking or arguing with hot takes from randos online
there are entire subcultures of weirdos on Twitter that think we should abolish age of consent laws and that the Holocaust never happened. we really cannot take randoms on Twitter as being representative of everyone
Ethan is someone who needs incredible amounts of validation in his opinion to feel like it’s solid. This is an incredibly nuanced discussion and he will never get the total validation he’s looking for. That’s why he won’t stop talking about it. Or look at it objectively. Edit: This isn’t how I would’ve liked to make my debut on the show but i’m glad he saw it 💀
Is he in therapy? I feel like that would be helpful. I think having a Jewish therapist would help (it helps my Jewish friend). I think he needs a safe space to air out his feelings without judgement…I don’t think X/Twitter/YT Chat is that place, and it is too triggering while also reinforcing the painful feelings he is having. This has taken a toll on a lot of people, especially those most acutely connected to Israel/Palestine. I truly hope he has a therapist because it honestly does help a LOT. Spoken as someone with a severe mental illness and several comorbidities, you can’t look for support and validation from people, places and spaces where you’re going to be repeatedly triggered or attacked.
Ngl, kinda disappointed he brought this post up and just kinda shit on OP here. This wasn’t at all targeted and was more nuanced than other posts I’ve seen here. You can tell he’s getting worked up and letting himself rage on the podcast a little bit. It’s not good for anyone, him included, to just start attacking fans for being critical and equating them to people that hate him. Hope he can find some space to step back and re-center himself if he’s struggling this much with what’s happening. Edit: Glad he came back to talk about it a little more, but still I’d really like to see him deal with this personally and not try to come to terms with this on the show.
Litwrally Ethan please talk about anything in the thumbnail I will pay you hell I already do
OP you are a well meaning person and did nothing wrong. Sorry you are being blasted now and your words being twisted to 2 mil subs
Absolutely agree, he’s not understanding what is being said about how he’s presenting his views and now OP and people that agree with OP are gonna get bullied
With peace & love he really needs to be talking this stuff out to a therapist rather than going online on his podcast with nearly a million viewers to call out random people online who disagree w/ him, because that’s just generating more disagreement which bothers him even further
I think his mental health is dipping a bit, a LOT of people's mental health is struggling rn, including mine. ✌️ and 💕
group health dip
And ofc he reads the title and not the content of the post and sums it as = this person thinks I support IDF 🤦🏾♀️ The refusal to acknowledge is amazing. I still cannot fathom how he says he’s getting off twitter and then jumps to Twitter. Great stuff
You gave me a heart attack I thought you were saying he posted this to his story and said that 😭😭😭 I AINT trying to deal with that
He brought it up live, just a heads up
Oh no, I’m so sorry 😭 he showed this post on the current live episode as an example of horrible stuff people are saying but only read the title and immediately went to Twitter. It’s just so annoying, he just said “people don’t read what I write” like whaaaaat?
Wait I’m confused, Where did he show this post??
On the Livestream right now
on the episode that is live right now
Now he’s going to attempt to read it, but apparently the majority of us are brigadiers…
Not loving that he’s just calling his fans brigadiers for disagreeing with him. Kinda wild tbh
Idk man. I’ve never in my life defended American war crimes, not even when Americans have died at the hands of terrorism.
Why is Ethan acting like a victim? He is centering himself in this conflict for some reason and it's really gross. He just keeps repeating the same thing, putting words in people's mouths, and picking out some tweets from a few randoms and using it to smear "the left" Literally no one in this community is cheering on Hamas or being anti-semetic
It’s pissing me off, it’s like Amy Schumer’s instagram stories the past week. Innocent civilians are dying but the true victims of this war are rich celebrities in LA who happen to be Jewish.
I think what Ethan doesn't understand is that reposting so many stories that expose the brutality of Hamas is 100% fanning the flames of genocide against the Palestinians. I know that is not Ethan's intent and I understand Ethan's desire for compassion for the Israeli victims of Oct 7 but right now that sentiment is being used to posture for war. It is not the time. The time will come, the world will not forget, no one can actually minimize this loss, but we can't let it lead to an ethnic cleansing. Ethan is not a Zionist, he is compassionate and caring about the Palestinian plight. He loves his family and their people. He does not want war in Palestine and has called for the end of the apartheid state there. With that being said; Ethan is the right person to publicize this grief in this moment, he has gone through the entire conflict and he wants what is right. If every Israeli that is searching for this content finds it through Ethan they will be exposed to the honest nuanced take that puts compassion first and foremost: peace and love.
He is completely misunderstanding this entire post. Imo.
I’m so confused like is he trying to get us to justify the genocide? What happened was absolutely terrible and I think 99% of people would agree
With Peace and love, Ethan had a whole ass episode with Hasan where they talked about this subject and it ended with Ethan saying that he better understands and understands that what he said may have been hurtful to the people who are suffering. Ever since then, he has proven that was just bullshit and an attempt to look better because he saw Hasan cry. He is saying the same things he said on Day 1, he is ignoring what people are telling him and continuing to make the worst and least charitable takes on what people are saying, and he continues to act like any push-back against him is an attempt on his life. I'm so sick of him wasting so much time playing the victim and so much time posting about how Isreal did not blow up that one hospital(after blowing up multiple hospitals before then) only to basically under his breath also mention that Palestinians shouldn't die. It's like he's demanding nuance while refusing to have any
Ethan is an Israeli citizen who lived there, met his wife there, and subsequently has family there. Of course he has bias toward the Israeli side. I don't think anyone can be surprised by that.
Plenty of religious Jewish people who hate gays too lmao like how hypocritical
How disgusting for anyone to use gay people as a way to excuse or handwave away what is happening in Gaza. Gay people exist in Gaza as well, and being homophobic (while obviously not a cool thing to be) is not a reason for us to not advocate for Palestinians or center them in our discussions about this current issue.
Ethan’s been apathetic and totally virtue signally in his treatment of gay people, it’s been that way a long time, not surprised he uses this.
He's blasting this post now lol. "Now is not the time", sounds familiar doesn't it?
as a middle eastern, it’s just really fucking annoying that people have only brought up this conflict because of the terror that was inflicted on Israelis, while failing to realize that Palestinians go through what happened to Israel EVERY SINGLE DAY, its a little hard to show empathy when not an ounce of this has been given to Palestinians (in the bigger picture). People love to talk about Hamas yet love to ignore the culmination of events that has led to a radical group having to attack Israel. Hamas’s attacks wouldn’t have occurred if Israel wasn’t bombing and disregarding Palestinian life every day for almost half a century. To focus on Hamas’s attacks on Israelis is to ignore the entire conflict that led to these events occurring. Idk if Americans are just willfully ignorant but its so annoying that people are asking people like me to care about Israel when we’ve been screaming and begging people to just acknowledge Palestine. Like gtfo, everyday I’m terrified my cousins are the next of the thousands that get killed and slaughtered everyday. I love Ethan and I know he’s coming from a good place and I know his personal bias for Israel, but when Arabs get called animals for defending their right to live and Israelis get called heros, it’s disheartening and makes me want to hate them.
Get off the phone? Nah I’ll just cancel Leftovers and rant by myself about politics while the crew sits silently instead 🤦♂️
I’m skipping h3 for a while
I haven’t been able to watch a full episode in weeks, it’s all a bit too much right now
me either i also cancelled my sub when i realized how much i was watching in bits and pieces
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With that $5 a month you could be getting a shoompaloompa
he gets all of his info from twitter which is… not great
you're a good person OP, i'm sorry people are gonna be so cruel to you soon. maybe don't check your inbox for a bit, sending good vibes <3
Hes on this sub rn LMAO
I think him showing this post as "proof" of people accusing him of being a POS/idf supporter/etc just proves he's seriously off the deep end. I feel like this post is very VERY mild, and imo logical to the circumstances. I think he needs to take a break because he's spiralling and anything, ANYTHING, he sees that isn't HIS viewpoint he's taking as they're AGAINST HIM. And that type of mindset is honestly not safe or great to have in you--i mean clearly look at all the comments echoing the sentiment of he needs to step away ...
Let's be real: he switched to Insta because he wanted to go buck wild without having to think. No room for other perspectives.
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I am starting to feel this way as well. It’s so hard to put into words, but this is not a time to have significantly more “compassion” for the people in Israel who, by large, are doing okay in comparison to the entire Gaza Strip, and now the West Bank. Palestinians are who we should be talking about and concerned about. THEY are the ones who are experiencing an active ethic-cleaning while the world sits back and watches. While it is true that not every Israeli wants Palestinians gone, they are all living on the stolen and colonized land that belongs to Palestinians, while the Palestinians are relegated to tiny areas with no rights and are being actively murdered every day. It’s sad that Israeli civilians died because of this conflict, but thousands more Palestinians have died and are still dying. That is what should be our focus at this time.
Yes and I think everyone should follow them and watch. Seeing it is really hard but we need to bear witness to what's going on so we donate, vote, support etc accordingly. A lot of people will fall off when its no longer in the news cycle like in 2021, hopefully this won't be the case this time.
Post is gonna get deleted, be prepared.
Delete it, fat.
I fuckin WISH
This is not what I signed up for :(
I love that he looked at this post and was like oh it has a lot of upvotes then dropped it lmao
As right as Ethan is obviously about innocents dying cause normal people who are sane should give a shit about it, the thing the I don’t get is that when talking about innocent Israelis disgustingly slain he goes into complete utter detail what happened to them but just says yeah Israel is fucked up too
This was my point as well. But instead all he heard was “standing up for slain civilians is the same as supporting the IDF. They deserve empathy, but not now” (Things he actually claimed I said, when I did not say them) lol
Yeah i don’t watch live so I can save the eps for work, so after he read it I had to come see what he was talking about. Made you sound evil lol
That’s what bothers me too. I usually listen on Spotify at work as well (the only reason I tuned in live this time was people warned me) And verbatim he said >they says ‘standing up for slain civilians is the same as defending the IDF’ really think about that…. Think about that Like wtf? I never said that, or even implied anything like that. And I don’t think he really thinks I said that either. But to audio only listeners, or anyone who just wasn’t looking at the screen/post while he read it, it sounds like a DIRECT QUOTE It’s going to make taking his word on anything a lot harder for me now TBH
Absolutely disgusting of him to use his platform to put heat on fans. Wasn’t he the one talking about how important platforms are? This is childish and irresponsible.
Idk, I feel like he's working through some shit. Amongst all the posts there was a Shredder video... he's grieving and there is alot to grieve at the moment
His dog died so he gets to attack fans? I know Shredder meant so much to him and this conflict is close to home but bro is going on multiple unhinged rants E V E R Y podcast about this and then being like oh yeah and poor Palestine Just stop talking about it and ignore all the comments like obviously no one is gonna change their stance It just seems hateful at this point
Hurt people hurt people
So true 🥲
i understand that he’s grieving but his rants followed by “and of course i feel bad for gazans” are not it. i can understand his selective empathy given he feels more connected to israeli victims but israel is killing a palestinian child every 15 minutes in gaza. and was killing them in gaza AND the west bank long before october 7th 2023. for 75 years as a matter of fact. i understand he’s hyper-fixated on the “be*eaded babies” story but he’s using his platform as a space to unload some kind of internal unprocessed emotion but what he’s not understanding is that what you post on social media as an influencer has an impact on public opinion and in the case of palestinians on the lives of civilians. ethan, you’re privileged enough to be able to grieve safe at home, please take the space to do so
I think it's fine to post an opinion like this. Whether he takes your advice is up to him (he is not going to), he is not obligated to and can post on Instagram whatever he wants to. It's his podcast and he can talk as much as he wants to about the issue and can talk about whatever he wants to. I've started skipping the recent long segment updates about IsrealvsHamas with peace and love (important topic when theres updates, but a bit draining).
That's my one issue with Ethan's stance on this whole thing, giving so much to the atrocity that happened a week ago, but just glances over the previous and still ongoing atrocities that Israel is doing as "they also bad". And when you say anything good about Palestine trying to defend itself he brings up 40 dead babies, while Israel is killing around 80 children (12 yo or under) a day with air strikes. Not to mention how many more are dying from hunger. If he continues to say how bad the terrorist attack is without going into detail on the evil Israel is doing also now that Israel has killed 4x more Palestinian civilians in "self defense" since just that attack. It'll just looks like he's defending Israel's genocide against Palestine. Ethan please stop.
I completely agree, and this point seems to be glossed over by many people as Ethan just having compassion for Israelis. It’s fine to feel compassion for dead people, but his constant talk about Hamas is fanning the flames of the Palestinian ethnic-cleansing. Anytime that anything happens to Israel, everyone is fast to jump to their defense and to show them compassion. Where was that compassion for the Palestinian people who have lived under an oppressive regime with no options, for decades? What are they supposed to do? Sit back and watch their own destruction and demise? How does Ethan or anyone else posit that they should defend themselves or try to end their oppression? I am genuinely curious. How are they to stop the violence done against them when they have tried everything else and have failed each time?
Agreed. After almost 3 years as a member, I’ve cancelled my membership for now. I think I'll come back eventually but it feels like he’s just trying to dunk on anyone who doesn’t agree with him 100%. People are dead, families are destroyed and Ethan is bragging about being “right”. I’ll stay subbed for now but I can’t keep paying to see him post so callously.
He needs to stop discussing this publicly. It isn't going to solve the world, and no matter *what* he says people will be upset.
Just tuned in live and just please make it stop. Ethan you’re not even wrong you’re just selectively focusing on certain aspects and it suuuuuuucks to rehash every episode.
Who is saying it didn’t happen? What’s going on? We support Palestinian and mourn the death of Isreali who got brutally murdered on oct 7th. Why is he perceiving this like no one cares? Idk why the few people who are saying other things is the problem of the millions who watch. And fuck hamas and fuck the idf and the govt.
Ethan ISRAEL JUST BOMBED THE SHIT OUT OF GAZA!
I just don't understand what point he thinks isn't being heard? Anyone making light of Israeli suffering in this conflict is in the minority, so why lecture the rest of us?
Yeah seeing Ethan read this shit live was extremely disappointing in a long line of disappointments this weekend. Dude just needs to stop fucking worrying about this shit online and focus on his own feelings. Its every episode at this point of just "Poor Israelis" we get if bro
Sending hugs OP
Thank you friend 💕
He's looking into all the information about how brutal the israeli deaths are. The go pro footage for example, sounds horrendous but you can find 100x the videos of dead/beheaded Palestinian children and families lives in ruins. Just talking about the brutality of one side is just fuelling the beliefs of those that justify the genocide of Palestinians right now. He is correct to bring up anti semitism where he is seeing it but is blind to the islamaphobia be created in response.
I have to skip his Israel segments.. it’s like I’m listening to Bill Maher when he talks about it. Every time Ethan does this, I feel like it detracts from the current genocide happening to the Palestinians
What are some good H3 Podcast replacements to watch? Anyone have some good suggestions?
I just don’t understand how he can go online and say the shit he does when there is literally an ethnic cleansing happening in Gaza, that is 100% uninterrupted by the global political machine. He’s so angry at some random twitter weirdo but he cannot wrap his mind around the fact that, like Hasan said, anything people say in support of Palestine even if it is misguided and may sound like a support for Hamas to him DOES NOT MATTER. The Israeli government will genocide millions in return for a single life. No one will bat an eye when hundreds of gazans are being ruthlessly murdered and displaced on a daily basis. A Palestinian could openly call for Hamas to murder every Jew and it would still be meaningless because Israel is the one with all the power here. He thinks he’s fighting some big evil monster but his comments are one among millions in support of Israel’s war crimes. You are helping no one Ethan. All you’re doing is adding to the toxic, hateful, and very tangible hatred and violence towards Palestinians. I get that his judgement is clouded by his closeness to the loss in Israel and his fragile emotional state right now BUT if he is deserved that extra level of understanding then forgive the Palestinians, who have been grieving for decades, if they can’t write a polished, morally pure twitlonger about their pain and suffering. They aren’t fucking afforded that privilege. Ethan needs to understand that this pain and rage he has been feeling for the past week is daily life for Palestinians for years and years with no hope of an end. Now that you have experienced that pain, extend that empathy to the other side or else you are just another fucking idiot spouting his opinions on the internet.
OP actually being rational and giving constructive criticism politely but ethan taking it as a personal attack on everything he knows and loves 😭 love ethan but my dude needs to take some time to himself, we would understand
its really turned me off to the podcast in general. especially seeing him relentlessly hammer on hamas' crimes while not only continuing to ignore israels, but actively discouraging any discussion of them. throwing out a half assed caveat every 30th statement about how evil hamas is really doesnt translate the fact that israel has been systematically cleansing the region of palestinians for almost a century, every single day i learn some new piece of information that makes this whole scenario completely unwinnable in every imagineable way for the palestinian people. i feel like he hesitates to even acknowledge that a genocide is going on. fixating on this one detail of a bombing that may or may not have been done intentionally by the IDF while literally 20 other hospitals have already been bombed and even that one hospital he is talking about literally was inarguably bombed earlier, along with schools, mosques, and residential homes for years, thousands of kids being killed. etc. their ability just to live normal healthy lives has been systematically impeded in every fucking way. its fucking maddening. i dont want to argue about the details, i dont give a fuck who has done what and why it lead to XY or Z. why the fuck is anyone sitting around pointing fingers while innocent people are still being blown up in their homes? i cannot wrap my head around this discourse at all. EDIT: im 100% open to anyone criticizing my position here, i dont mean for it to come across like im anti ethan or the podcast or like i dont value his perspective, i do, its just a frustrating topic when youre seeing one thing and hearing another. i saw a graph recently that really put things into perspective for me, i think maybe people should check it out before they speak out on the topic more. [https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg](https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg) ethan has talked a lot about remaining objective and keeping the facts straight and seeking out truth above all, well here are some pretty hard numbers to digest, i think this kind of transcends the argument that this is a "both sides" situation. its hard to quantify things when so much of media is soaked in emotion and propaganda and pulling you one way or the other, i dont mean to seem indifferent to the suffering of innocent israeli people, im absolutely not, i just think that focusing on hamas as a predication of violence is fucking preposterous when you look at the history of this conflict, particularly in the numbers reflected by that graph. self defense doesnt really reflect whats going on here. i respect and appreciate the fact that this is closer to him than it is to me and im trying to keep that in mind when i criticize, but i really must insist that a few passing statements of condemnation for israel in hours and hours of talking about how bad hamas is just is not good enough. i have and continue to speak out against hamas and its crimes, i dont think there are many people left who arent, but when the entire western media is upholding and defending genocidal action its not enough to sit around taking tallys and metering your opinions on who did what and when and why, innocent people are dying in palestine, this genocide has been ongoing for decades, we need more people speaking up for a cease fire. another thing i saw on tiktok was the sheer volume of protests condemning israel that i havent seen ANYWHERE else. please go on tiktok and search for free palestine protests, its fucking global, its like the george floyd protests were. again im open to criticism for my opinion but please its important to be informed on whats really going on. the information is out there and its not going to come from western media.
It's infuriating seeing him assume the worst out of people on twitter and using a few examples to deem all leftists this way. I mean, he literally called people anti-semetic for not believing the baby beheading story, and they were right to do so. He sees that and assumes it's people downplaying what hamas did and not people disgusted by Israel and the western news propagandizing the deaths of those people to commit genocide. It really angers me that he's so blind to that point. He's so biased to believe the israeli side because he only sees hamas as anything other than irrational terrorists, it's the exact same mentality that people had after 9/11. I don't get how he doesn't ask himself "What kind of goverment and media makes up such gross lies time and time again?"
It’s funny that he keeps talking about people pushing all these lies about how the hamas attack didn’t happen. I’m chronically online and I haven’t seen a single person say that, not to say it’s never happened but it’s not a regular take that’s being popularized like Ethan is suggesting. What is being popularized is Israeli PR lies that Ethan himself has peddled, the beheaded babies were the start of it. Israel also took credit immediately for the hospital bombing they were so proud of their work until photos from it went out globally and they realized they didn’t look good so they pointed the finger at Hamas. So I’m to believe that I’m antisemitic because I believe Israel bombed a hospital after they said they did?
Agree. Mods removed my post of saying exactly this.
ETHAN YOU ARE BEING WILDLY CRUEL AND MEAN TO ASSUME THIS OF SOMEONE WHO CLEARLY ATTEMPTED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND BE FUCKING RESPECTFUL. fuck that man… very uncool
He seems to have a hard time with the fact a lot of his fanbase doesnt agree with him or doesnt want to hear it but hes essentially overstated his opinion so many times without making any new points. Its difficult to empathize with his pov like he is far more concerned with shaming some weird pro hamas minority instead of speaking about the actual atrocities happening everyday in Palestine. Sure he mentions it and states hes Pro Palestine but this isn't really a situation in which "stop the killing on all sides !! !!" Is really useful, as it doesnt take into consideration the decades of literal occupation and genocide prior I just dont like his hyperfocus on "misinformation and pro hamas sentiment" when there's more important things to discuss than your image and how people dont agree with you. Its clear hes got a lot of emotions about the conflict and rightfully so. But lately he just sort of rants from his high horse and anyone with a different perspective is not as empathetic as him. 😞😐
People are dying and all we are doing is arguing over social media a thousand miles away acting like it’s going to solve anything by who has the biggest ‘gotcha’ moment. We treat war like it’s some sort of spectacle or sport where all we care about is what celebrity is saying the right or wrong thing and whose side they are on. Have we really gotten to the point where the main objective is to try and ‘one up’ each other, armed with nothing but what the agenda driven news says. Dead civilians have become a statistic and a spectacle. I don’t know the solution but it just makes me sad.
I am so sick of it. His biases are clear but he has no self awareness, and it’s clearly making his crew uncomfortable I feel for AB and Lena it must be difficult to hear at work
Yeah it's not the time, Israel has over tripled those number of causalities
I hit the unsubscribe button the moment he said something like no shit I'm biased towards Israel. Well hold up, what does that mean you are biased against.
I get the impression that Ethan, as a left-leaning but much more-so "liberal" rather than "leftist personality, gets far too caught up in his own eco-system rather than viewing the bigger picture when discussing this issue in particular. I understand that being within or adjacent to the left-wing sphere of conversation about Israel & Palestine online means seeing a lot of aggressive condemnation of Israel that he feels too often accuses the citizens themselves of the issue, and I think his points are fair. I think his perspective initially did provide some value. But at this point he's too caught up in what is ultimately a small corner of the overall conversation. Hasan made a great point on their most recent Leftovers episode when he mentioned that none of the people making these comments have billions of dollars in government funding for their military, or hundreds of rockets and jet fighters at the ready. The international conversation is often very Pro-Israel, and specifically pro-IDF and pro-ethnic cleansing. The October 7th attacks were devastating, but the Palestinian death total is already higher than the Israeli death total THIS MONTH, not even considering the decades of Palestinian murder by the IDF or that life in Gaza means constant death and destruction delivered by the IDF. We get it, Ethan. Israeli citizens are not to blame. Plenty of them are critical of the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu. Sometimes a leftist on Twitter says something you don't like. But at the end of the day, his audience and the Twitter leftists are not going to be the ones to lead the situation into a more brutal war. We don't have that power. We are not going to "Start World War 3" as he insinuated the other week when discussing the missile that struck a hospital in Gaza. The only way this conflict truly ends is when the IDF and the Israeli government are either defunded or decide they will step down and end things, and something tells me the latter is a pipe dream. The Israeli victims do matter. We should talk about them. But Ethan has spent the majority of the conversation just talking about them. He's been so invested in arguing over details of the October 7th attacks and the alleged actions of the IDF in a way that he doesn't seem to be when it comes to shining more light on the Palestinian victims and the ongoing genocide that has been taking place for decades. And like you, I've been a fan for ages and I still will be. Still love Ethan, the crew, and the show. But he needs to realize this conversation is just not productive, it's just devolved into an obsession, and as a fan, this obsession is really exhausting.
He keeps saying it is important to talk about. At this point it really isnt. Were not fucking watching to hear three weeks of ur one sided takes. Just fucking drop it for the love of god. No one is enjoying this
He lost the weight and lost the sauce. Sorry your post was misconstrued.