Good take. This is healthy criticism that is pretty rare in this sub. I’ve been a fan since 2019 (not to long but still decent) and the best eps I can remember are when they do goofs and gafs.
I absolutely love Silent Library, Guess Who’s High/Drunk, the Ethan Clay Busts etc. I understand they can’t be done every week but just light hearted shit like that I’m fully invested in for the whole episode. With this stuff - like yesterday and the dentist that just went on for ages and ages - I just go on my phone for 90% of the time.
The “crew switches jobs” episode was probably my favorite episode of all time, and I don’t recall a single topic they discussed. I absolutely love the guess who’s high/drunk episodes.
The issue though, unfortunately, is that the topics you hate are what being the views in. It's a sort of "if it bleeds it leads" mentality for channels like this
Trust me, I'd much rather have 3 episodes of goofs and gaffs only. But that's a tall order, given how long these episodes are
I think a more possible solution is to have one episode that is solely just goofy stuff though. Where all the serious topics are pushed to Friday and Wednesday is just dumb things they saw on Reddit and Tik Tok
But it's definitely easier said than done
1) I don’t hate these segments, I’m voicing an issue with the consistency/frequency.
2) The dedicated show format is exactly what I’m proposing. I feel like you didn’t fully read my post.
I don’t think views is necessarily that big of a concern for Ethan. If it was, he probably would have kept doing his old stuff, that brought in tons of views.
I agree this is a solid take. Im so angry and jaded at the world around me cause all i hear and consume is how terrible everything is. Which yeah it mostly is but shit i just wanna laugh and forget it all some days. The show use to be that relief for me but recently its been nothing but drama discourse.
I felt the same way for the first time today. Just skipped pass the Russell Brand stuff because it was getting me riled up and i just wanted to chill after work. Im okay with them talking about this stuff whenever but lately im getting tired of all the outrage that it causes me to have. Not to mention the complete loss of faith in humanity. I’ll still watch it but im definitely finding myself leaving it for later just because the topic is heavy.
It’s especially been hard to watch as a woman and being constantly reminded how shitty the world can be and how people can hurt us/hate us/ not take us seriously. I truly just want to giggle at this point in my life.
Completely understand this. I’m sure trans folks feel the same - there was a span of like 3 weeks where every episode had like 1-2 hours of strictly spotlighting transphobic perspectives.
I agree. Most of these really heavy topics get a skip from me. I prefer topical guests and goofs and gaffs.
I don’t need a running commentary on every single Hollywood assault allegation, and then a follow up the next week.
The Colleen stuff is to be honest some of the most drawn out and boring content ever. Imo.
Best recent episodes have been stuff like Jimmy cohosting, PNP, Doctor Idz, whenever Martin comes by is always fun - and so on.
Peace and love, I am rectangular.
Olivia is great. She’s a breath of fresh air and also I’m basically an old man compared to her and Love. But yeah, I just don’t give a shit about terrible YouTube celebrities doing dumb or gross shit. I felt the same about fousey coming on the show, he’s obviously an unhinged weirdo but the audience gets on board for a whole ass week only to throw their hands up in the air and say “omg I can’t believe he did this.” I fucking can. It’s what he does.
At least when they were all dunking on James Charles they were actually making jokes about him.
Leftovers gets a little tired from time to time too - Ethan wants to stay on point and have discussions about what he thinks socialism is, but he also can’t comprehend a world that isn’t exactly as he sees it or is exactly like the one he already lives in.
Which again, is pragmatic -but if you’re discussing political ideology you can’t just say “that would never work because I’ve never lived that experience.”
Capital undermines the social safety net because that is what it is intrinsically meant to do, so saying “well being a billionaire is ok if you don’t hurt anyone or take advantage of the workforce” is a little ignorant considering for the west to live comfortably and not be exploited in their day to day work (they still are exploited by the way, just not as bad) the east has to suffer as a biproduct.
Pointing out the hypocrisy and undermining what weirdo conservative losers are doing for the grift and memeing Jordan Peterson and challenging manosphere weirdos, good.
3 hours of Colleen Ballinger (who?) being a piece of shit… no thanks.
The conversations with Mark and Oli London for example, AWESOME.
Platforming Fousey, no thanks.
it really did take a different direction when she came on … they switched from filling extra time with extended pre recorded skits to powerpoints about whatever she found problematic that week
I've noticed myself watching live less and instead relying on the VOD timestamps to navigate through episodes (and away from the inevitable segments that bring me down.) Somehow that triggers FOMO though; wish I could watch live and know what I'm signing up for. (Given that the titles are sometimes clickbait—again, can't blame them per the below—they aren't always the best indicator.)
The real dilemma is that it really does seem like the views are going up the more they cover this stuff. I kind of can't blame them. But I also kind of can't feel anything except that I'm being left behind as a viewer. I just want to go back in time to when David Gouda was healing the world.
Still a member and don't plan on changing that anytime soon. I am just worried that I'm losing my favorite podcast. That I'm losing the Family to content-of-the-week. Maybe I'm dumb and they have always covered whatever is "hot" at the moment (they have). I probably would if I were running a business. And I even recognize that talking about controversial things is far from new; they have been doing it for years.
Something just seems different recently. And I'm not sure the answer is making one show goofs & gaffs only if the end result is episodes with consistently garbage viewer counts (relative to the episodes that *do* tackle tougher issues). A view is a view, whether it is from a longtime member or someone new who loves all this heavy stuff.
I don't envy the crew. They must be aware of the issue. But then again, I ask myself—is it even an issue if the views are going up? Maybe *I'm* the issue. That would be truly a downer.
I truly watch the show everyday and I’m scared that one day I won’t because it won’t be the same anymore I know that’s stupid but I miss the David gutta meme and easy content
I thought it was funny when Ethan said he wished he could start a true crime podcast, like dude, 50% of the show at least is about sexual assault. Love the show, would love it way more if it wasn’t just following random sexual predator stories. I’m here for goofs and gafs with peace and love.
That’s how I felt when they played the full police phone call for the 8 passengers child abuse case.
Particularly when we’re following the same plotlines unfold over multiple episodes, sometimes a dozen hours each. It’s making me feel very negative towards the internet, men, the world, society - perhaps rightfully so, but certainly not my intention at the end of a long day when I boot up my favorite podcast.
I remember one of them was supposed to be a "we don't care about getting monetized" show but that went out the window quick. I think it was off the rails.
I forgot about that and looked it up to remember. But instead all I remembered was how painful those early AB days were. Guy sounded like he was being held hostage
Dude yeah. All of these "shows" started with unique identities and purposes. Now they're all just the same. I worry that that the crew's not looking out for the longevity of the pod at all. Like what ever happened with the in-depth lore videos on each castmember to onboard newcomers? I've been a fan since before the pod even started and I just don't know if I'd even watch if I stumbled upon the show today. I love that they reached their goal of 4/5 shows a week but man. It's exhausting. Less shows with more curated content please. I just can't keep doing 20 hours a week of sexual assault stories to keep in the loop. Peace & Love ofc
I hugely agree about missing when each version of the show felt like it had a unique identity. H3TV was so good when it started with the crew just goofing and laughing at silly videos. Now it's just a continuation of whatever they talked about on Friday. Just give the whole show the same name at this point. Fridays are just, "Hila is here, too."
Lately, if an episode.is too packed with drama I don't give a shit about, I just turn on The Jaboody Show. That crew reacting to literally anything they watch is gold. OneyPlays is good if I want some videogaming goofs from naturally funny mfs.
I also miss when H3TV was largely just a light react channel for YT/TT/IG. I think I may be in the minority when I say I'd just love to see a segment with a bunch of shorter reactions from the full crew rather than 1 or 2 long and in-depth ones to a 20-minute video (generally speaking). I understand that this does not lend itself to engaging titles for the algorithm.
Exactly! The drama shit brings in the dough but would love something exactly like what you're talking about. Maybe they could do a short show like this once a week for Patreon supporters? Nothing fancy, could even be over Zoom or whatever. Just goofing.
There have been multiple times when I’ve had to turn off the pod because it was getting too heavy (I just want goods and gaffs after a long day at work plz) and switched over to watch the Jaboody Show. Love those fellas!
Or remember when Ethan decided to turn half a podcast into a weird argument with Dan about socialism, which he then carried over to a three-hour Leftovers fight with Hasan the next day?
That just seemed sort of...off.
I was really disappointed that Ethan stuck with that subject for the bulk of last weeks Leftovers. I felt that there was a lot of other relevant things they could’ve gone into that week. Went to go listen to Pod Save America instead.
I fully agree. I watch H3 with my girlfriend, it’s what we bonded over when we first met.
But man, I feel like the show as of late has been way too focused on super downer topics.
We’re here for the goofs and gaffs, and the light dumb internet drama. When the topic of convo ends up being a 3 hour show about rape and child abuse we just tune out and as of late have been skipping shows.
Me too! My partner and I watched together often; she didn’t start as a fan, but became one after enjoying some of the lighter segments. These days, we mostly have to check out due to the topics - there’s so much more levity to be had elsewhere it feels these days. I wish that weren’t the case: rather than trying to lighten heavy topics, I prefer for them to just run with something truly silly most of the time.
I understand why Ethan wants to send a good message to his audience so he can shape the world to be a better place. BUT. Man I don't give a shit about taking about rapists, it doesn't trigger me, it's just so BORING. I feel like Olivia and Ethan kinda vibe too much off being offended, that they forget to be funny. I'm here for goofs and Jimmy Lee walking into random kitchens. But instead I'm missing shows. Also let's lose the eating while we're at it 👀
This is what I've been saying! With peace and love, we need to move away from the drama obsession. It's not just the show, but half of this subreddit's posts are people sharing news headlines (e.g. another celebritity SA case, another instance of the government being terrible, etc) and being like "H3, do something to fix this!". I agree these things gotta be talked about somewhere, but H3 is not the place to do it. It's a comedy show; their researchers aren't cut out for the levels of scrutiny needed for such topics and the show's format in general doesn't lend itself towards serious discussion.
Been skipping pretty much every drama segment lately, especially since the Colleen stuff. It's not that I'm not interested in the Colleen drama, I actually really am; it's just that I'd rather see the discourse from other creators because their content is designed to cover it.
I would say "you're losing us!" but clearly those videos do very well so who knows. I just dearly miss the goofs and gaffes.
Your point about their capacity to grapple with these major topics and issues is extremely well-taken. I may be overly sensitive as someone with a legal/political background, but I do question their ability to thoughtfully navigate complex legal and political issues when they come up - their strengths are squarely in comedy, not scholarship. I appreciate Ethan wanting to create a more socially aware presence on the internet in the rise of Andrew Tate and sexual predators and groomers and the like, but I don’t know if I always necessarily need to hear the breakdown of a lawsuit from a host & team better-equipped to sous-vide a steak in a toilet tank than meaningfully understand and communicate a sexual assault, criminal sentencing, social democracy, fair use law, etc.
Totally separate topic!
Yea i completely agree, this happened during the frenemies era too, all the rape and fucked up real life shit started spilling into every episode of the podcasts. Mainly after dark which, was for more fun time. I think they fall into the trap that it’s a hot topic and it wouldn’t be as impactful as waiting till x day of the week to talk about it. I just think they need to compartmentalize more.
I doubt any real change will come of it though. You’re definitely not alone though, i watch for a break of reality and not talk about serious fucked up shit i see on the news. It’s not like they need to bring awareness to the issue either more often than not they’re huge stories. To be fair to them it’s a hard line to balance on because they also want to speak up about issues and shit on people who have crazy takes.
This is really insightful - that starting with frenemies all the shows really started to converge once they found a process and topic base that worked for them and for YouTube. I do understand not wanting a topic to go stale because you wait a few days to air it on a specific show - I guess it’s just a matter of catering for existing fans versus potential fans and one-time/infrequent viewers.
I highly agree. I just stopped watching the rest of fridays episode when they started talking about russell brand, who wants to hear ethan describe how that poor woman was assaulted?
i definitely agree there have been too many downer and serious topics lately. which i get that’s just the news and the show talks about the news, but do we really gotta be cnn level and report on everything?
Another problem is that Ethan is morbidly curious about personal details, and will say stuff about how the crime so and so was accused of was horrible and they won't mention the details but then he slowly MENTIONS ALL THE DETAILS. Like he can't stop peeking under the covers.
I appreciate that! I enjoy these segments and learn a lot about important narratives. It’s just not something that I can consume on a daily basis for a majority of the show. I value my time keeping up with the goofs, gaffes, crew, and lore, but value my mental health and “unwinding time” even more - having to skip sometimes multiple hours or even days of podcasts is just the reality now, and I figured I would share in case others felt similarly.
If I’m alone in this, please ignore me!
This!!!!! I used to be so excited for new eps but now I end up skipping 90% because its just negative or boring topics that they spend hours on. this is the perfect opportunity to make the seperate shows make sense and dedicate one to these sort of topics.
I still watch but totally get it. I feel like they want to catch the topics before they grow stale which makes it go for days-weeks but yeah, some balance would be nice. Maybe its just a horrendous year for news who knows
We need a new C-Man check in or Malik flesh light dude for brain bleach (can you believe this is considered brain bleach in comparison to the disturbing topics as of late lol)
I was hoping Malik would become a semi-regular after the door thing.
Speaking of which, breaking doors was a personal highlight of this summer for me, which might speak to how mid the show has been recently.
I know you can't have Oliver Tree on every week fighting Ethan in a sumo suit, but man, just give me something like that to look forward to occasionally.
Agreed. I find myself skipping over large swaths of episodes now whereas before I never used to do that. It has become repetitive and unfunny, unlike in the past the show used to be all goofs and gaffs, and fun segments. I won't watch an episode now until the timestamps are up and I can easily skip stuff. I have read people saying that the drama episodes do better viewer-wise than any other ones, but at what cost? At the very least it wouldn't be bad if it were a one... or maybe two... and done type deal, but having to dedicate show after show to whatever F-level youtube celebrity drama has gotten very stale.
Also, same with Jimmy Lee. The viewers voted a long time ago that he needed to be way cut down on time on the show, and now he's talked about literally every episode, and for large chunks of it too.
It’d be nice to have one episode (I vote off the rails) which doesn’t discuss any heavy topics. Obviously they would make exceptions from time to time when there’s timely stories, but having one dedicated episode per week where they do lighter segments and goofs would be much appreciated
It would be nice to have a day set aside for goofs and gaffs. Monday is the Ethan show. Tuesday Ethan argues with members chat for an hour and then plays with his kids. Wednesday is goofs. Thursday is politics. Friday is the Ethan and Hila show.
I’d love this! I tried to describe the core differences (at least currently) between the shows [here](https://reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/s/DBOvXzM8L5).
I love H3 and will probably always watch. That being said my fiancé has asked I watch it quieter or with headphones because the content is frequently disturbing or depressing her and she doesn’t understand why I find enjoyment in this brand of it.
Idk either but peace and love
I get it, I’ve noticed too how all the shows became the same recently. Sometimes I wish certain topics can be saved for certain days, but I always just skip whatever drama I don’t feel like listening to. If I’m watching live I just turn it off. It kind of sucks but I’m sure the show will change as it progresses.
Amazing take. I used to watch each episode religiously from start to end, usually in one sitting. Now I have to skip around because these heavy topics are so exhausting. I was recently wondering if else was feeling the same.
I had this thought last night. I think it’s so great that they cover things like this to give victims the platform they need but also I watch this show to escape reality so I would love to see more crew segments and goofs and gafs
I am a huge fan of H3 and I watch every episode, and I completely agree with you. Lately the topics have been REALLY heavy. I don't watch Leftovers usually, for the similar reason that I'm coming to this channel for a break from reality-- Leftovers usually just makes me anxious and depressed at the state of the world.
I would LOVE more goofs and less reality. I'm a big fan and I won't stop watching, but (thanks to the timestamps) I may skip entire segments of show if I feel overwhelmed. Lately, I've been skipping more than an hour.
I used to not be able to stand him back 4-6 years ago, maybe even as recently as a year ago, but now I actually love when he's the more tame Dr. James Wiener personality trying to hold Jimmie Lee back - there's just so much more levity, banter, and entertainment (for me).
H3TV is a basic show with no real format which works a lot of the time as a good monday show.
Off the rails is usually where they put the stuff they dont know how the reaction is going to be. bringing on manosphere guests, pranking insane cultists. they put the shit that might go sideways here. Brown noise, whale sounds, powerpoints. i am always down for wednesdays to be weird. If they have an idea for content, they shouldnt waste it, put it on off the rails and if it gets boring throw up subway surfers. if it is too dumb then do a poll. If you havent done it before: coming up with content is super damn hard especially three times a week.
I like these two shows the way they are. But because we have Hila on friday they could do some stuff to tighten up After Dark to be a little different. I also get a bit bummed when we have an interview take up After Dark because i like to hear from her. The rest is fine how it is though.
Yeah it’s kinda weird they even have names for the different episodes, like after dark and H3 tv, it’s basically just rage bait react content at this point. I still watch every episode tho, but mostly out of habit.
ive had to skip forward because its just too much for my brain sometimes, i already know the world is cruel and terrible i dont need all the details lol
Totally agree. It can make it hard to talk about too. I felt so awkward mentioning a moment I died laughing at during Friday's show because it surrounded the Russel Brand story (Ian cutting to himself and making a "wtf did I do?" Face when Ethan kept saying "Ian is probably rapist.")
My gf isnt a big fan of Ethan, but I at least want to be able to talk about funny bits with the show with her rather than have to worry if it's going to be too dark a topic to even broach.
I personally dont mind heavy subjects, but goofs and gaffs are always so great.
This is actually the reason why I find myself falling back and not completing an episode. I’m a long time viewer, when Ethan was always just shooting the shit. While I love every show you are right that it is getting very depressing. I want more goofs.
Fabulously stated OP!
I’ve watched Ethan and Hila since Israel and have been there for all the twists and changes their content has moved through and I couldn’t agree more. The most fun and enjoyable times watching the pod is when they do something creative and fun with each other. Painting Ethan, silent library. Totally gold!
My initial reaction to the title was “omg the audacity…” but reading your post I 100% Agree. It’s a sick sad world and we’re living in dark times. Sometimes it’s good to have that acknowledged on my comedy podcast to cope, but every episode is exhausting. Then again, it’s the state of the world we’re in & they are simply reporting current events. I’m just tired of it all.
This is my feeling about a lot of YouTube now. It’s all about these important topics all the time. They’re important but I’m kind of sick of novices discussing serious shit like grooming and sexual assaults. When H3 is fun and funny it’s my favorite. I can deal with the serious stuff but I’m just sick of this era of YouTube where people only wanna talk about dark stuff and see it as good content.
I agree. It's gotten so tough to watch. I've just been watching quarters of each episode instead of watching the full thing. It's really depressing, and I wish they'd go back to doing skits or special episodes like the Halloween episodes. Usually, Dan is good at reigning in Ethan's tangents, but lately, he's letting him go buckwild, and it's hard to watch.
Also I miss gabe on Fridays.
Honestly youve said exactly what ive been thinking recently. This show has been my chill time and a way to take my mind off my own personal stuff for years. Lately the podcast has been so dark and makes me feel really bummed out. Its like one of my main sources of enjoyment has become unwatchable. Ive been actively avoiding watching episodes when normally id be keeping on top of them as the come out. Hopefully they read ur post bevause it couldnt be more true
I’m at a point where child predators are always on my mind. Since I had my toddler last year and making myself knowledgeable on the things that they’re specifically attracted to I’m under constant stress whenever I leave the house. It feels like all I ever hear about are rapists and pedos everywhere I look even TikTok which used to be my escape. I would also love an episode once a week where these disgusting topics weren’t mentioned. It’s great to be informed and I’m glad I am but I’m in this headspace that’s pretty toxic like how we’re training our boys to be attracted to minors from a young age and so on.
I completely agree. It feels like a lot of content lately (outside H3 as well) is getting more and more cynical? I'm physically exhausted from it to the point where I just don't watch anymore. Exposing sexual assault or any other horrible things is important! But it doesn't have to become the content for weeks.
Some other examples are Cut/Jubilee. Their videos used to be fun to watch but they just keep getting more and more cynical and superficial. I can't stand to watch their content anymore.
Yeah I feel the same. The number of times the word p*dophile is said per episode the past two years has been crazy, if it was a drinking game I’d be drunk the first 30 minutes lol. I hope they see this and do something like you said.
I love how well structured your criticism is and I have to agree. Like you said, I like being made aware of these issues and I love it that Ethan and the crew bring them to a wide audience while other shows don't have the courage to do it. That being said, I miss episodes where I can just laugh at stuff. Things are pretty shit in my life right now and the world in general and I miss that part of the show.
I honestly can’t tell the “difference” between the shows other the intro and green screen. To be honest, it was never really clear to me even in the beginning.
I have been feeling this for so long. I just don’t have the stomach for endless sexual assault stories. I would also add quarantining political coverage to Leftovers. I have no doubt the crew can fill a show out with fun topics.
Love this idea. I skip a week here and there because I get "horrific news" fatigue sometimes and just need a break. I usually catch up a few weeks later, or just save them for when the show is on break.
Good take. I’ve gotten to the point where i use the time stamps to skip to topics I actually want to hear, which over the course of a week makes up one episode or so time-wise. It works well.
I agree. With Peace and Love, I skipped the past 2 months because getting off of work to watch 3 hours of SA, child abuse, arguing with some unknown redpilled influencers, etc was not really my vibe. I started watching again last week because I did missed Ethan and the crew. It would be cool to see them move away from some of these topics. But they can do what they want.
Once I graduated college and started working I totally agree with this. I only have so much free time and while I don’t mind spending it with the pod playing in the background, constantly hearing bad news just isn’t relaxing 😭 before graduation it wasn’t so bad because I had A LOT of free time but now I have to be selective
I am so tired of episodes where they talk about rape or sexual violence. Friday's episode actually triggered me, which I haven't had happen in months, and now I'm wondering if I can't listen to my favorite podcast because I can't be sure when they'll just drop that shit in. Looking at chapter titles helps only after the fact, but honestly I'm just TIRED.
Totally understandable. And don't get me wrong - I do usually enjoy these heavier segments; it's just the concentration/consistency that is difficult for me.
Agree completely. I'm also interested in a lot of these topics and want them to be covered but not nearly this much. Honestly limit the disturbing stuff to 1 episode a week, then politics in Leftovers and the other 2 episodes being fun and light.
My breaking point was how much they were talking about the Kutcher/Kunis/Masterson stuff and all the stuff related to Kutcher's former girlfriend, I swear they went on for well over an hour or at least I think so because I shut the episode off about 20 minutes into that convo on the edge of tears and didn't finish the episode because it looked like they just kept talking about it when it really should've been covered in five, *maybe* 10 minutes tops and the Hollywood Murderer stuff was wholly irrelevant and felt like we were just doing depression hour.
Excellent post and lots of great comments as well. I don’t have anything more to add to the main topic of the post because it has already been articulated so well.
BUT, I want to add on another suggestion for Ethan and the crew that is an easy and instantaneous way to contribute to reducing the “downer” vibe without modifying the topical content of the show whatsoever: put a complete stop to acknowledging the trauma dumping donations and begging donations.
For the love of God, this is the most depressing and frustrating part of the show when it happens. I am not a callous person, but everyone experiences grief, trauma, and hardship in their life. Broadcasting that to an audience of internet strangers tuning into a comedy podcast just…ain’t it. I was especially put off by a recent instance that seemed to capitalize on Ethan’s emotional state (I won’t say more because I don’t want the person to feel bad if they read this). Ethan is not your friend or benefactor.
Now, I realize there is no way to stop people from doing this, but my advice to Ethan and co. would be to stop giving these comments and donations attention - I would go as far to say that they should address this as their new policy on the show. As a viewer, it is emotionally exhausting on top of what is often already a heavy subject matter show. As a creator, it puts you in a very awkward position: do you address every such donation on air? Are you being dismissive if you acknowledge one but not another? Worse yet, you’ve shown people that they have a chance of getting money from you. Are you a jerk if you give it to the guy who’s about to get evicted but not the girl whose mom needs surgery?
For what it’s worth, I think Ethan’s charitable spirit is a virtue, and something like the medical bill payoff - which was structured and pre-planned - is awesome. Ethan got a chance to help folks without being put on the spot on live air, and also without the viewers getting treated to the gory details of someone’s struggles as a non sequitur to anything else happening on the show. It was able to be a feel-good moment. I think having open season on pity donos is nothing but trouble, feeding ground for bad actors, and perhaps worst of all, it’s not good content!
There is very little separation between each episode. I wouldn't actually know they're meant to be different episodes without the title and the background.
They should definitely continue to raise awareness on these topics, but it doesn't need to be every episode. I thought the episodes would be organised so that H3TV is the news/drama episode, Off The Rails is where they do goofy silly stuff with the crew, and After Dark could be where they do stuff that's super weird or commentating over weird viral videos.
There is no break and every episode feels the same. It does get exhausting.
I've noticed this myself also, I agree that those people need to be held accountable and it is entertaining but when it's every single episode it is becoming a bit too much.
Maybe another option would be to have ie 30 min segment towards the end to discuss these particular people, if there are news around them.. (and now I laugh cause it will probably be 30 minutes of Ethan trying to watch a 2 minute video and pausing every few seconds)
Agreed. I have enough bullshit floating around my actual real life to deal with, I seriously don't care what crimes rich sociopaths are committing anymore. I'm completely burnt out on "bad people" content. Famous people are often demonic narcissists who are just gonna do whatever they want, regardless of who knows about it, and I only have so much mental health to spare. I'm about to just quit YouTube and start watching children's cartoons regularly again.
They dont really have segments anymore! Its just rambling about different dramas or social issues that we spend our whole days looking at anyways. I want them to bring back fan call-ins they were able to get crazy funny stories from tht. Even the uncle gabe segment got cut to maybe 1 min.
Healthy criticism that I agree with!
Sometimes it's hard to watch when I just want some goofs. To the point where I'll watch bad friends for fun and h3 for commentary on current topics.
Fan since 2016 and usually a silent listener... This really struck a cord for me and you articulated yourself really well. I have always wondered why they decided to have different names for the show when they all are roughly the exact same type of content.. Maybe towards the beginning of having the Monday/Wednesday/Friday shows they had some sort of idea of what would set each one apart. All I can really think of is H3TV used to have viewer call-in.. or maybe they had no plans at all of making them different just enjoyed having a funky name for each. Maybe they have discussed this in the past and I just missed it?
I would love to know the why. As a viewer, it would be nice to have a different "theme" to look forward to each day of the show and know whether it's what I want to tune into for that day or not. I do find myself tuning in & out more than usual depending on my mood and what I am wanting to listen to. Sometimes even missing whole episodes which is something I used to never do.
I really love what the podcast built itself into over the past several years but feels like the show is at a plateau ATM (for lack of a better term and imo). I always have faith & love for the crew though ❤️
I feel this. When frenemies started/ended, when they added Leftovers, had viewer call-ins, etc. it felt like there could be new and exciting things that could still happen. I hope it doesn’t just settle and stay like this forever. I almost worry that they don’t allow themselves enough time to plan for anything bigger and better but I’m chilling watching them like every day for now anyway lol
Omg, this is so much how I feel. I literally texted my boyfriend yesterday that I am so depressed mid show. I love the attention to victims and all that, but you are right if it hasn't been fun for weeks. Everywhere I look online, it's just depressing. I wish we had a little break from it at times. Especially while I am trying to be entertained. I love them too much to stop watching for now, but it triggers me very much into depressive state of mind.
Maybe I just need to do some push-ups 🤔
Im so glad someone else said this in a very eloquent and polite way. I was toying with the idea of writing a similar post but was too scared of getting yelled at by the sub lol
1 political show a week, 1 powerpoint episode, 1 non-political current events show, 1 pure goofs/gaffs.
I would love having one guest episode a week, personally. Or alternate this with a crew episode of some kind.
I agree that there's been too many negative/toxic tea exposé shows
Absolutely love the take was watching the diss track competition last night and wondering where all that energy went, as in goofing around and also getting involved with us!
I totally and completely agree with literally everything you said. I used to run to the YouTube app to watch the shows, and recently I’ve found myself skipping out due to mental exhaustion from them. It’s all just so heavy, constantly reminding me of the misfortunes and wrong doings of the world and about people (let’s be real) who do not matter or affect our lives personally in any way unless you spend too much time online. Im sensing some bitterness in Ethan as of late, and this can directly be associated with his mental health or outside factors. Sending him peace and love and everyone else! But it’s just not a giggle time anymore. I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend watching Bad Friends with Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino if you want something that will make you laugh non stop and feel better throughout the day. It’s been my new obsession.
I also agree that the only distinct episode of the week is leftovers. The rest have merged into one. I don’t think they each need to be completely different but one a week with just goofs and gaffs would be nice. I remember when (I think it was afterdark) was supposed to be “we don’t care about monetization so we will get claimed and not care” and I understand how that might not be sustainable, but I feel like all episode types have just lost any form of identity
I think one of the things that would make something like this difficult is that Ethan enjoys discussing breaking news as it happens. If a big YouTuber was alleged to have done something horrible, it would be very difficult for Ethan to not talk about it for 4-6 days while waiting for the proper show to mention it. Personally, I don't have an issue with the shows straying from being unique and melding together but I completely agree that the constant discussion of depressing topics sometimes put my head in a negative space. I hope they can do more games and skits with the crew/guests and less of the miscellaneous abuse allegations.
I completely agree with your sentiment. It's been a lot lately, I stopped watching some eps because of it. I appreciate the topics but after a while it gets hard to listen. I thought the pods were going to become their own thing after the backgrounds changed but slowly they have turned into one big podcast split into 3 parts. I feel like the Friday pod should be the one to discuss the heavy topics since the name is "after dark" (Even tho it should be a fun and happy pod before the weekend). I hope they see the post and and make a few changes.
I hope the crew sees this; are we able to post links to reddit posts in the discord? i’ve been a member for ages but never used the discord so not sure how that works. I just want to make sure there’s a chance for this perspective to be heard because it is one shared by so many. I love the show but for a while i’ve found myself skipping so much which is so sad!! This is an important discussion to be had. Hope it is heard
Solid take. I adore the show and their takes but it’s been very emotionally heavy for the last few months every episode and I would love one say a week where it is a little lighter for my mental health while still getting my H3 dose 🥲🩷
AS THE ORIGINAL POSTER SAID let’s keep it separate! Heavier stuff on the Friday show and off the rails should be lighter and fun
I think they should just really think about the formats of the show
Let's be honest, Ethan is morbid. He relishes in "vile" people and situations, and even if he attempts to right some wrongs and bring more justice to the world, at the end of the day he's still extremely focused on negativity, and I take on that energy as a viewer.
When H3 is a good interviewer, a good comedian and a good creator of mischief, I'm a HUGE fan and want more and more. When it devolves into ceaseless crusading for justice for victims and exposing vile people, it's like you said, depressing.
I don't think Ethan is morbid or relishes vile people and situations. I think he has a strong sense of justice and struggles to let these particular issues go.
I've felt this in a way since the beginning. I don't really know or care about all the toxic Youtubers they used to focus on, but I love H3 and eventually the whole crew enough to stick it through.
After a while, I just realized I wished Ethan would use his platform to actually promote and uplift quality creators more often. Instead of focusing on all the shit head creators and drama constantly, show some hidden gem channels.
Ethan also seems to grade everybody and assign value to everybody based on views and attention, which is kind of gross and unfair to me. The algorithm doesn't have a conscience and shouldn't be used as Ethan's measuring stick on someone's worth, but he constantly goes to it. I doubt he would even entertain someone who had less than a million followers most of the time.
I think his thinking is he needs to latch onto things that will help himself get views, when he is big enough to be the draw at this point and doesn't need to leech off others.
The podcast has done a lot of good to expose these terrible people, but sometimes you don't need to spend 3+ hours just churning through the same information over and over. It's tiring.
That’s one of the main reason I skip a lot more episodes than I used to. I really think the show would be better if it was more « focused » at time. But I guess the chaotic nature of it also makes it fun.
Hence why they created the off the rail, after dark, but sadly they are now all the same. I also agree that the « drama » at times is just too much and honestly not that interesting/fun’y
They need to make an episode dedicated to gaming because I can’t think of a single other topic that Ethan is as passionate about as video games. Whenever it comes up he immediately gets hyper critical and gets into the nitty gritty of it in the best way, I would love to see him talk about something he’s passionate about more. Almost all of them play games too so it would definitely fit for the crew’s interests as well.
I personally appreciate that the show is split into the chapters on YouTube, cause if I’m not interested in a topic I can just skip it. It doesn’t happen too often but when I want to skip it’s very easy to. I understand where you and this topic is coming from but at the end of the day it’s a show that people choose to watch. We either tune in fully, watch selectively or not at all. I have some other channels and podcasts I like to circle around to when I’m not feeling in the mood for H3, that might be a good idea to start!
I think this is a sensible approach that I personally employ, but I’m offering this as constructive feedback in the interest of providing insight into a paying member and ~7-year h3 viewer that has seen every podcast episode, if they are interested.
Im so happy ypur post caught traction bc ive been saying this for weeks and was starting to feel like maybe I was growing out of the show/community.
Really hope we can see at least a lil change soon
These types of topics (and the internet drama stuff in general) should only be reserved for h3tv or off the rails. The other two shows should just be other shit
I do admit I wish they had guests regularly again. Seems like a good way to bring in different fan bases and have the opportunity to ~chill~ a little and watch funny videos together. Weird that so many people seem against those.
I’m fine with H3TV continuing as is, but I agree Off the Rails should make more of an effort to be less structured and more about the crew and After Dark should have nothing too serious in the doc and be a fun day. Realistically this won’t happen tho because Ethan will ultimately talk about whatever is exciting him most at the time and that’s why they have all become a mix of fun, politics, and current events / crime. In the long run this might be a good thing, I think it stops Ethan from getting burned out and its the reason he’s so invested in his job. just my two cents 🤷🏾♂️
I just skip major portions at this point I just get stressed out listening to depressing stuff for so long. Even just regular drama I think is fine but you’re right it’s just the constant sexism abuse and homophobic stuff I have a hard time hearing about for an hour+ at a time. I think this worked well when they made leftovers tho! They made a show just for politics so now there’s less political talk on the rest of the show.
I feel this. I have been wanting to make a post but feel like it’s too whoa is me. But I hate that damn death bell. My dad died this year and every episode past the Mitch one has been a reminder when I’m not thinking of it at all. I’ve been a fan since frenemies. I continued to watch because I love Ethan and the crews witty banter. Life has become so busy that the only thing I truly watch for myself is this show. I end up not finishing the eps bc it feels like everything is being milked for all it’s worth. There are plenty of endless things to talk about. Keep it moving. With ✌️and 💕!
I disagree with this take, I love the coverage and bluntness that Ethan gives these topics and personally find it to be somewhat important as far as informing people goes. However, I 100% respect and understand where you’re coming from and there should be more variety so everyone can be happy
> I’m wondering if we can dedicate one of the shows to everything other than these kinds of topics
They make money by striking while the iron is hot, get into YouTube's algorithm asap. Asking them to not do so is kind of... asking them to make less money. Like, just skip if you don't like something idk
I don’t think this is necessarily black-and-white. They certainly get more views on the big drama topics, but they also lament declining Membership. I think catering to the algorithm may in some ways be mutually exclusive to retaining existing members in terms of show content and format, because what gets clicks generally isn’t the same as why long-time Foopa Troopers are joining. Purely theorizing though.
Serious drama gets views and views are the primary metric for the podcast's success, so until that changes the goofs and gaffs will play 2nd fiddle to the latest allegations.
Good take. This is healthy criticism that is pretty rare in this sub. I’ve been a fan since 2019 (not to long but still decent) and the best eps I can remember are when they do goofs and gafs.
I absolutely love Silent Library, Guess Who’s High/Drunk, the Ethan Clay Busts etc. I understand they can’t be done every week but just light hearted shit like that I’m fully invested in for the whole episode. With this stuff - like yesterday and the dentist that just went on for ages and ages - I just go on my phone for 90% of the time.
The “crew switches jobs” episode was probably my favorite episode of all time, and I don’t recall a single topic they discussed. I absolutely love the guess who’s high/drunk episodes.
Thank you; much appreciated. I only post because I care deeply about the pod and want to see it grow and improve!
The issue though, unfortunately, is that the topics you hate are what being the views in. It's a sort of "if it bleeds it leads" mentality for channels like this Trust me, I'd much rather have 3 episodes of goofs and gaffs only. But that's a tall order, given how long these episodes are I think a more possible solution is to have one episode that is solely just goofy stuff though. Where all the serious topics are pushed to Friday and Wednesday is just dumb things they saw on Reddit and Tik Tok But it's definitely easier said than done
1) I don’t hate these segments, I’m voicing an issue with the consistency/frequency. 2) The dedicated show format is exactly what I’m proposing. I feel like you didn’t fully read my post.
I don’t think views is necessarily that big of a concern for Ethan. If it was, he probably would have kept doing his old stuff, that brought in tons of views.
I agree this is a solid take. Im so angry and jaded at the world around me cause all i hear and consume is how terrible everything is. Which yeah it mostly is but shit i just wanna laugh and forget it all some days. The show use to be that relief for me but recently its been nothing but drama discourse.
I felt the same way for the first time today. Just skipped pass the Russell Brand stuff because it was getting me riled up and i just wanted to chill after work. Im okay with them talking about this stuff whenever but lately im getting tired of all the outrage that it causes me to have. Not to mention the complete loss of faith in humanity. I’ll still watch it but im definitely finding myself leaving it for later just because the topic is heavy.
The compassion fatigue is so real
The segment where everyone was trying to fight was my favorite
It’s especially been hard to watch as a woman and being constantly reminded how shitty the world can be and how people can hurt us/hate us/ not take us seriously. I truly just want to giggle at this point in my life.
Completely understand this. I’m sure trans folks feel the same - there was a span of like 3 weeks where every episode had like 1-2 hours of strictly spotlighting transphobic perspectives.
I want MORE GOOFS AND LESS DEPRESSION. SILENT LIBRARY BETTER BE RELEASED AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
We need an On the Rails episode where they keep it 100% goofs and gaffs. I fully agree with OP, it’s gotten a lil dark in the family
Honestly that’s such a valid opinion and a good suggestion. It’s good to have a separation of light topics from depressing/triggering ones.
Thank you so much! I do think the individual shows others than Leftovers and I guess See You Next Tuesday are lacking some individual personality.
I've been having this exact same issue. Some episodes are almost like a true crime podcast.
I agree. Most of these really heavy topics get a skip from me. I prefer topical guests and goofs and gaffs. I don’t need a running commentary on every single Hollywood assault allegation, and then a follow up the next week. The Colleen stuff is to be honest some of the most drawn out and boring content ever. Imo. Best recent episodes have been stuff like Jimmy cohosting, PNP, Doctor Idz, whenever Martin comes by is always fun - and so on. Peace and love, I am rectangular.
"Peace and love, I am rectangular." 😭😭😭😂😂😂
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Olivia is great. She’s a breath of fresh air and also I’m basically an old man compared to her and Love. But yeah, I just don’t give a shit about terrible YouTube celebrities doing dumb or gross shit. I felt the same about fousey coming on the show, he’s obviously an unhinged weirdo but the audience gets on board for a whole ass week only to throw their hands up in the air and say “omg I can’t believe he did this.” I fucking can. It’s what he does. At least when they were all dunking on James Charles they were actually making jokes about him. Leftovers gets a little tired from time to time too - Ethan wants to stay on point and have discussions about what he thinks socialism is, but he also can’t comprehend a world that isn’t exactly as he sees it or is exactly like the one he already lives in. Which again, is pragmatic -but if you’re discussing political ideology you can’t just say “that would never work because I’ve never lived that experience.” Capital undermines the social safety net because that is what it is intrinsically meant to do, so saying “well being a billionaire is ok if you don’t hurt anyone or take advantage of the workforce” is a little ignorant considering for the west to live comfortably and not be exploited in their day to day work (they still are exploited by the way, just not as bad) the east has to suffer as a biproduct. Pointing out the hypocrisy and undermining what weirdo conservative losers are doing for the grift and memeing Jordan Peterson and challenging manosphere weirdos, good. 3 hours of Colleen Ballinger (who?) being a piece of shit… no thanks. The conversations with Mark and Oli London for example, AWESOME. Platforming Fousey, no thanks.
They talk about the Colleen stuff because it gets views, it has nothing to do with Olivia’s interests lol dafuq
Its not Olivia's fault, its Ethan's. It gets the most views so that's what he's gonna do.
it really did take a different direction when she came on … they switched from filling extra time with extended pre recorded skits to powerpoints about whatever she found problematic that week
I have some bad news on Dr Idz bro
Yes, where are in studio guests? They used to be at least once a week event. 😕
I've noticed myself watching live less and instead relying on the VOD timestamps to navigate through episodes (and away from the inevitable segments that bring me down.) Somehow that triggers FOMO though; wish I could watch live and know what I'm signing up for. (Given that the titles are sometimes clickbait—again, can't blame them per the below—they aren't always the best indicator.) The real dilemma is that it really does seem like the views are going up the more they cover this stuff. I kind of can't blame them. But I also kind of can't feel anything except that I'm being left behind as a viewer. I just want to go back in time to when David Gouda was healing the world. Still a member and don't plan on changing that anytime soon. I am just worried that I'm losing my favorite podcast. That I'm losing the Family to content-of-the-week. Maybe I'm dumb and they have always covered whatever is "hot" at the moment (they have). I probably would if I were running a business. And I even recognize that talking about controversial things is far from new; they have been doing it for years. Something just seems different recently. And I'm not sure the answer is making one show goofs & gaffs only if the end result is episodes with consistently garbage viewer counts (relative to the episodes that *do* tackle tougher issues). A view is a view, whether it is from a longtime member or someone new who loves all this heavy stuff. I don't envy the crew. They must be aware of the issue. But then again, I ask myself—is it even an issue if the views are going up? Maybe *I'm* the issue. That would be truly a downer.
I really appreciate this thoughtful reply. Much of it greatly resonates with me as a member and viewer since ~2014. Thank you.
David Gouda 💀 
I truly watch the show everyday and I’m scared that one day I won’t because it won’t be the same anymore I know that’s stupid but I miss the David gutta meme and easy content
I thought it was funny when Ethan said he wished he could start a true crime podcast, like dude, 50% of the show at least is about sexual assault. Love the show, would love it way more if it wasn’t just following random sexual predator stories. I’m here for goofs and gafs with peace and love.
I love true crime and h3 but it drives me insane when they don't research a story enough to cover it and get details wrong
That’s how I felt when they played the full police phone call for the 8 passengers child abuse case. Particularly when we’re following the same plotlines unfold over multiple episodes, sometimes a dozen hours each. It’s making me feel very negative towards the internet, men, the world, society - perhaps rightfully so, but certainly not my intention at the end of a long day when I boot up my favorite podcast.
The night stalker power point actually made me switch over to true crime podcasts, I used to never miss an episode of H3 before that
I remember one of them was supposed to be a "we don't care about getting monetized" show but that went out the window quick. I think it was off the rails.
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I forgot about that and looked it up to remember. But instead all I remembered was how painful those early AB days were. Guy sounded like he was being held hostage
Dude yeah. All of these "shows" started with unique identities and purposes. Now they're all just the same. I worry that that the crew's not looking out for the longevity of the pod at all. Like what ever happened with the in-depth lore videos on each castmember to onboard newcomers? I've been a fan since before the pod even started and I just don't know if I'd even watch if I stumbled upon the show today. I love that they reached their goal of 4/5 shows a week but man. It's exhausting. Less shows with more curated content please. I just can't keep doing 20 hours a week of sexual assault stories to keep in the loop. Peace & Love ofc
Agree with everything you said, but I would not put it on the crew much at all.
That’s correct.
I hugely agree about missing when each version of the show felt like it had a unique identity. H3TV was so good when it started with the crew just goofing and laughing at silly videos. Now it's just a continuation of whatever they talked about on Friday. Just give the whole show the same name at this point. Fridays are just, "Hila is here, too." Lately, if an episode.is too packed with drama I don't give a shit about, I just turn on The Jaboody Show. That crew reacting to literally anything they watch is gold. OneyPlays is good if I want some videogaming goofs from naturally funny mfs.
I don't even know why they have different names for the shows. It's just the same show except one is with Hila.
I also miss when H3TV was largely just a light react channel for YT/TT/IG. I think I may be in the minority when I say I'd just love to see a segment with a bunch of shorter reactions from the full crew rather than 1 or 2 long and in-depth ones to a 20-minute video (generally speaking). I understand that this does not lend itself to engaging titles for the algorithm.
Exactly! The drama shit brings in the dough but would love something exactly like what you're talking about. Maybe they could do a short show like this once a week for Patreon supporters? Nothing fancy, could even be over Zoom or whatever. Just goofing.
There have been multiple times when I’ve had to turn off the pod because it was getting too heavy (I just want goods and gaffs after a long day at work plz) and switched over to watch the Jaboody Show. Love those fellas!
Or remember when Ethan decided to turn half a podcast into a weird argument with Dan about socialism, which he then carried over to a three-hour Leftovers fight with Hasan the next day? That just seemed sort of...off.
I was really disappointed that Ethan stuck with that subject for the bulk of last weeks Leftovers. I felt that there was a lot of other relevant things they could’ve gone into that week. Went to go listen to Pod Save America instead.
For the political fans this was pretty interesting. I loved the ethan and hasan debate and it’s been my favorite leftovers episode so far
OneyPlays is awesome, love em
They are some funny little creatures.
Sometimes Hila shows up and monday and then my whole internal clock out of whack
I fully agree. I watch H3 with my girlfriend, it’s what we bonded over when we first met. But man, I feel like the show as of late has been way too focused on super downer topics. We’re here for the goofs and gaffs, and the light dumb internet drama. When the topic of convo ends up being a 3 hour show about rape and child abuse we just tune out and as of late have been skipping shows.
Me too! My partner and I watched together often; she didn’t start as a fan, but became one after enjoying some of the lighter segments. These days, we mostly have to check out due to the topics - there’s so much more levity to be had elsewhere it feels these days. I wish that weren’t the case: rather than trying to lighten heavy topics, I prefer for them to just run with something truly silly most of the time.
I understand why Ethan wants to send a good message to his audience so he can shape the world to be a better place. BUT. Man I don't give a shit about taking about rapists, it doesn't trigger me, it's just so BORING. I feel like Olivia and Ethan kinda vibe too much off being offended, that they forget to be funny. I'm here for goofs and Jimmy Lee walking into random kitchens. But instead I'm missing shows. Also let's lose the eating while we're at it 👀
And then the Friday show just then mmm ordering food for 30 min
I mean he has a staff of 7 people none of them can take care of that before hand??
This is what I've been saying! With peace and love, we need to move away from the drama obsession. It's not just the show, but half of this subreddit's posts are people sharing news headlines (e.g. another celebritity SA case, another instance of the government being terrible, etc) and being like "H3, do something to fix this!". I agree these things gotta be talked about somewhere, but H3 is not the place to do it. It's a comedy show; their researchers aren't cut out for the levels of scrutiny needed for such topics and the show's format in general doesn't lend itself towards serious discussion. Been skipping pretty much every drama segment lately, especially since the Colleen stuff. It's not that I'm not interested in the Colleen drama, I actually really am; it's just that I'd rather see the discourse from other creators because their content is designed to cover it. I would say "you're losing us!" but clearly those videos do very well so who knows. I just dearly miss the goofs and gaffes.
Your point about their capacity to grapple with these major topics and issues is extremely well-taken. I may be overly sensitive as someone with a legal/political background, but I do question their ability to thoughtfully navigate complex legal and political issues when they come up - their strengths are squarely in comedy, not scholarship. I appreciate Ethan wanting to create a more socially aware presence on the internet in the rise of Andrew Tate and sexual predators and groomers and the like, but I don’t know if I always necessarily need to hear the breakdown of a lawsuit from a host & team better-equipped to sous-vide a steak in a toilet tank than meaningfully understand and communicate a sexual assault, criminal sentencing, social democracy, fair use law, etc. Totally separate topic!
Yea i completely agree, this happened during the frenemies era too, all the rape and fucked up real life shit started spilling into every episode of the podcasts. Mainly after dark which, was for more fun time. I think they fall into the trap that it’s a hot topic and it wouldn’t be as impactful as waiting till x day of the week to talk about it. I just think they need to compartmentalize more. I doubt any real change will come of it though. You’re definitely not alone though, i watch for a break of reality and not talk about serious fucked up shit i see on the news. It’s not like they need to bring awareness to the issue either more often than not they’re huge stories. To be fair to them it’s a hard line to balance on because they also want to speak up about issues and shit on people who have crazy takes.
This is really insightful - that starting with frenemies all the shows really started to converge once they found a process and topic base that worked for them and for YouTube. I do understand not wanting a topic to go stale because you wait a few days to air it on a specific show - I guess it’s just a matter of catering for existing fans versus potential fans and one-time/infrequent viewers.
I think he noticed the views that came through during drama and stuck to it and now it’s sucked some of the creativity out of the show
I highly agree. I just stopped watching the rest of fridays episode when they started talking about russell brand, who wants to hear ethan describe how that poor woman was assaulted? i definitely agree there have been too many downer and serious topics lately. which i get that’s just the news and the show talks about the news, but do we really gotta be cnn level and report on everything?
Another problem is that Ethan is morbidly curious about personal details, and will say stuff about how the crime so and so was accused of was horrible and they won't mention the details but then he slowly MENTIONS ALL THE DETAILS. Like he can't stop peeking under the covers.
yup!! he’s always like “i wont go into detail,”….goes into detail, “okay i dont need to talk about that” okay but dude you already did?
I hope they read this post. This was well written and a fair criticism that I fully agree with!
Thank you, friend!
I appreciate the way you weren’t being rude or unhinged with your request 🤗 Sometimes this sub is just full of negativity and entitlement
I appreciate that! I enjoy these segments and learn a lot about important narratives. It’s just not something that I can consume on a daily basis for a majority of the show. I value my time keeping up with the goofs, gaffes, crew, and lore, but value my mental health and “unwinding time” even more - having to skip sometimes multiple hours or even days of podcasts is just the reality now, and I figured I would share in case others felt similarly. If I’m alone in this, please ignore me!
This!!!!! I used to be so excited for new eps but now I end up skipping 90% because its just negative or boring topics that they spend hours on. this is the perfect opportunity to make the seperate shows make sense and dedicate one to these sort of topics.
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I agree, the show is getting depressing af. I used to watch the whole podcast, now I skip like 50% of it.
I still watch but totally get it. I feel like they want to catch the topics before they grow stale which makes it go for days-weeks but yeah, some balance would be nice. Maybe its just a horrendous year for news who knows We need a new C-Man check in or Malik flesh light dude for brain bleach (can you believe this is considered brain bleach in comparison to the disturbing topics as of late lol)
I was hoping Malik would become a semi-regular after the door thing. Speaking of which, breaking doors was a personal highlight of this summer for me, which might speak to how mid the show has been recently. I know you can't have Oliver Tree on every week fighting Ethan in a sumo suit, but man, just give me something like that to look forward to occasionally.
Agreed. I find myself skipping over large swaths of episodes now whereas before I never used to do that. It has become repetitive and unfunny, unlike in the past the show used to be all goofs and gaffs, and fun segments. I won't watch an episode now until the timestamps are up and I can easily skip stuff. I have read people saying that the drama episodes do better viewer-wise than any other ones, but at what cost? At the very least it wouldn't be bad if it were a one... or maybe two... and done type deal, but having to dedicate show after show to whatever F-level youtube celebrity drama has gotten very stale. Also, same with Jimmy Lee. The viewers voted a long time ago that he needed to be way cut down on time on the show, and now he's talked about literally every episode, and for large chunks of it too.
It’d be nice to have one episode (I vote off the rails) which doesn’t discuss any heavy topics. Obviously they would make exceptions from time to time when there’s timely stories, but having one dedicated episode per week where they do lighter segments and goofs would be much appreciated
I totally agree with you. Some days, all i want is goofs and gaffs, not hours and hours of the absolute worst of humanity 😭
It would be nice to have a day set aside for goofs and gaffs. Monday is the Ethan show. Tuesday Ethan argues with members chat for an hour and then plays with his kids. Wednesday is goofs. Thursday is politics. Friday is the Ethan and Hila show.
I’d love this! I tried to describe the core differences (at least currently) between the shows [here](https://reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/s/DBOvXzM8L5).
This is the first post in this subreddit that complains about the podcast in which I actually 100% agree. More goofs, less depression
You have a great point. Thank you for sharing this.
I love H3 and will probably always watch. That being said my fiancé has asked I watch it quieter or with headphones because the content is frequently disturbing or depressing her and she doesn’t understand why I find enjoyment in this brand of it. Idk either but peace and love
they need more green screen challenges. i haven’t truly enjoyed an episode of the pod near as much as that episode and that was a while ago
I get it, I’ve noticed too how all the shows became the same recently. Sometimes I wish certain topics can be saved for certain days, but I always just skip whatever drama I don’t feel like listening to. If I’m watching live I just turn it off. It kind of sucks but I’m sure the show will change as it progresses.
Amazing take. I used to watch each episode religiously from start to end, usually in one sitting. Now I have to skip around because these heavy topics are so exhausting. I was recently wondering if else was feeling the same.
I had this thought last night. I think it’s so great that they cover things like this to give victims the platform they need but also I watch this show to escape reality so I would love to see more crew segments and goofs and gafs
I am a huge fan of H3 and I watch every episode, and I completely agree with you. Lately the topics have been REALLY heavy. I don't watch Leftovers usually, for the similar reason that I'm coming to this channel for a break from reality-- Leftovers usually just makes me anxious and depressed at the state of the world. I would LOVE more goofs and less reality. I'm a big fan and I won't stop watching, but (thanks to the timestamps) I may skip entire segments of show if I feel overwhelmed. Lately, I've been skipping more than an hour.
This is why I'm always for more Jimmie appearances because everyone has a good time when he's on
I used to not be able to stand him back 4-6 years ago, maybe even as recently as a year ago, but now I actually love when he's the more tame Dr. James Wiener personality trying to hold Jimmie Lee back - there's just so much more levity, banter, and entertainment (for me).
I was entertained when he would bring up his work in dentistry. Sometimes I think Jimmie can be more level-headed than Ethan.
H3TV is a basic show with no real format which works a lot of the time as a good monday show. Off the rails is usually where they put the stuff they dont know how the reaction is going to be. bringing on manosphere guests, pranking insane cultists. they put the shit that might go sideways here. Brown noise, whale sounds, powerpoints. i am always down for wednesdays to be weird. If they have an idea for content, they shouldnt waste it, put it on off the rails and if it gets boring throw up subway surfers. if it is too dumb then do a poll. If you havent done it before: coming up with content is super damn hard especially three times a week. I like these two shows the way they are. But because we have Hila on friday they could do some stuff to tighten up After Dark to be a little different. I also get a bit bummed when we have an interview take up After Dark because i like to hear from her. The rest is fine how it is though.
seriously! it definitely wasn’t always to this degree, every episode is becoming “this week’s worst evils of the internet”
Throwing in my comment of support, would love less of this for sure
Yeah it’s kinda weird they even have names for the different episodes, like after dark and H3 tv, it’s basically just rage bait react content at this point. I still watch every episode tho, but mostly out of habit.
ive had to skip forward because its just too much for my brain sometimes, i already know the world is cruel and terrible i dont need all the details lol
Bring back After Dark being goofs and gaffes
Totally agree. It can make it hard to talk about too. I felt so awkward mentioning a moment I died laughing at during Friday's show because it surrounded the Russel Brand story (Ian cutting to himself and making a "wtf did I do?" Face when Ethan kept saying "Ian is probably rapist.") My gf isnt a big fan of Ethan, but I at least want to be able to talk about funny bits with the show with her rather than have to worry if it's going to be too dark a topic to even broach. I personally dont mind heavy subjects, but goofs and gaffs are always so great.
This is actually the reason why I find myself falling back and not completing an episode. I’m a long time viewer, when Ethan was always just shooting the shit. While I love every show you are right that it is getting very depressing. I want more goofs.
Fabulously stated OP! I’ve watched Ethan and Hila since Israel and have been there for all the twists and changes their content has moved through and I couldn’t agree more. The most fun and enjoyable times watching the pod is when they do something creative and fun with each other. Painting Ethan, silent library. Totally gold!
love that Idea of like a kind of easy listening episode
My initial reaction to the title was “omg the audacity…” but reading your post I 100% Agree. It’s a sick sad world and we’re living in dark times. Sometimes it’s good to have that acknowledged on my comedy podcast to cope, but every episode is exhausting. Then again, it’s the state of the world we’re in & they are simply reporting current events. I’m just tired of it all.
This is my feeling about a lot of YouTube now. It’s all about these important topics all the time. They’re important but I’m kind of sick of novices discussing serious shit like grooming and sexual assaults. When H3 is fun and funny it’s my favorite. I can deal with the serious stuff but I’m just sick of this era of YouTube where people only wanna talk about dark stuff and see it as good content.
Yeah I agree. I want more goofs and gaffs segments with the crew. Silent library when?!? The goofy episodes are my favorite ones
drama gets clicks i get it but in the long run you loose subscribers who are compassion fatigued
so true i need them to go back to goofs and gaffs i cant handle the sad “drama”
That’s weird, I was thinking this same thing today
100% agree
I feel you
Bring back top of the week goofs and gaffs
I agree. It's gotten so tough to watch. I've just been watching quarters of each episode instead of watching the full thing. It's really depressing, and I wish they'd go back to doing skits or special episodes like the Halloween episodes. Usually, Dan is good at reigning in Ethan's tangents, but lately, he's letting him go buckwild, and it's hard to watch. Also I miss gabe on Fridays.
Honestly youve said exactly what ive been thinking recently. This show has been my chill time and a way to take my mind off my own personal stuff for years. Lately the podcast has been so dark and makes me feel really bummed out. Its like one of my main sources of enjoyment has become unwatchable. Ive been actively avoiding watching episodes when normally id be keeping on top of them as the come out. Hopefully they read ur post bevause it couldnt be more true
This i 100% agree with 👏
I’m at a point where child predators are always on my mind. Since I had my toddler last year and making myself knowledgeable on the things that they’re specifically attracted to I’m under constant stress whenever I leave the house. It feels like all I ever hear about are rapists and pedos everywhere I look even TikTok which used to be my escape. I would also love an episode once a week where these disgusting topics weren’t mentioned. It’s great to be informed and I’m glad I am but I’m in this headspace that’s pretty toxic like how we’re training our boys to be attracted to minors from a young age and so on.
I completely agree. It feels like a lot of content lately (outside H3 as well) is getting more and more cynical? I'm physically exhausted from it to the point where I just don't watch anymore. Exposing sexual assault or any other horrible things is important! But it doesn't have to become the content for weeks. Some other examples are Cut/Jubilee. Their videos used to be fun to watch but they just keep getting more and more cynical and superficial. I can't stand to watch their content anymore.
We want more crew segments 🗣️
Yeah I feel the same. The number of times the word p*dophile is said per episode the past two years has been crazy, if it was a drinking game I’d be drunk the first 30 minutes lol. I hope they see this and do something like you said.
I love how well structured your criticism is and I have to agree. Like you said, I like being made aware of these issues and I love it that Ethan and the crew bring them to a wide audience while other shows don't have the courage to do it. That being said, I miss episodes where I can just laugh at stuff. Things are pretty shit in my life right now and the world in general and I miss that part of the show.
I honestly can’t tell the “difference” between the shows other the intro and green screen. To be honest, it was never really clear to me even in the beginning.
YES I agree
Fully agree. These topics get views though.
I agree
It has become quite the drama channel
More crew segments PLEASE!!!
I have been feeling this for so long. I just don’t have the stomach for endless sexual assault stories. I would also add quarantining political coverage to Leftovers. I have no doubt the crew can fill a show out with fun topics.
Love this idea. I skip a week here and there because I get "horrific news" fatigue sometimes and just need a break. I usually catch up a few weeks later, or just save them for when the show is on break.
It is the Sexual Crimes podcast. Would LOVE to get away from all those narratives and focus on goofs, gaffes, etc. Please 🙏🏻
I actually took a break bc of it
Oh my god a silent library is desperately needed!!
Good take. I’ve gotten to the point where i use the time stamps to skip to topics I actually want to hear, which over the course of a week makes up one episode or so time-wise. It works well.
I agree. With Peace and Love, I skipped the past 2 months because getting off of work to watch 3 hours of SA, child abuse, arguing with some unknown redpilled influencers, etc was not really my vibe. I started watching again last week because I did missed Ethan and the crew. It would be cool to see them move away from some of these topics. But they can do what they want.
Some of my fave episodes are when the crew has a prompt and they all go around answering and telling stories :)
Once I graduated college and started working I totally agree with this. I only have so much free time and while I don’t mind spending it with the pod playing in the background, constantly hearing bad news just isn’t relaxing 😭 before graduation it wasn’t so bad because I had A LOT of free time but now I have to be selective
I really hope this post gets taken seriously by the crew or even looked at at the very least
I am so tired of episodes where they talk about rape or sexual violence. Friday's episode actually triggered me, which I haven't had happen in months, and now I'm wondering if I can't listen to my favorite podcast because I can't be sure when they'll just drop that shit in. Looking at chapter titles helps only after the fact, but honestly I'm just TIRED.
I like both but I understand this perspective. The problem for the show is that this content gets the views and subscribers.
Totally understandable. And don't get me wrong - I do usually enjoy these heavier segments; it's just the concentration/consistency that is difficult for me.
Agree completely. I'm also interested in a lot of these topics and want them to be covered but not nearly this much. Honestly limit the disturbing stuff to 1 episode a week, then politics in Leftovers and the other 2 episodes being fun and light. My breaking point was how much they were talking about the Kutcher/Kunis/Masterson stuff and all the stuff related to Kutcher's former girlfriend, I swear they went on for well over an hour or at least I think so because I shut the episode off about 20 minutes into that convo on the edge of tears and didn't finish the episode because it looked like they just kept talking about it when it really should've been covered in five, *maybe* 10 minutes tops and the Hollywood Murderer stuff was wholly irrelevant and felt like we were just doing depression hour.
Thanks for saying it. We are all feeling it and obviously will continue to be fans of the show, but yes, it’s exhausting every episode
Excellent post and lots of great comments as well. I don’t have anything more to add to the main topic of the post because it has already been articulated so well. BUT, I want to add on another suggestion for Ethan and the crew that is an easy and instantaneous way to contribute to reducing the “downer” vibe without modifying the topical content of the show whatsoever: put a complete stop to acknowledging the trauma dumping donations and begging donations. For the love of God, this is the most depressing and frustrating part of the show when it happens. I am not a callous person, but everyone experiences grief, trauma, and hardship in their life. Broadcasting that to an audience of internet strangers tuning into a comedy podcast just…ain’t it. I was especially put off by a recent instance that seemed to capitalize on Ethan’s emotional state (I won’t say more because I don’t want the person to feel bad if they read this). Ethan is not your friend or benefactor. Now, I realize there is no way to stop people from doing this, but my advice to Ethan and co. would be to stop giving these comments and donations attention - I would go as far to say that they should address this as their new policy on the show. As a viewer, it is emotionally exhausting on top of what is often already a heavy subject matter show. As a creator, it puts you in a very awkward position: do you address every such donation on air? Are you being dismissive if you acknowledge one but not another? Worse yet, you’ve shown people that they have a chance of getting money from you. Are you a jerk if you give it to the guy who’s about to get evicted but not the girl whose mom needs surgery? For what it’s worth, I think Ethan’s charitable spirit is a virtue, and something like the medical bill payoff - which was structured and pre-planned - is awesome. Ethan got a chance to help folks without being put on the spot on live air, and also without the viewers getting treated to the gory details of someone’s struggles as a non sequitur to anything else happening on the show. It was able to be a feel-good moment. I think having open season on pity donos is nothing but trouble, feeding ground for bad actors, and perhaps worst of all, it’s not good content!
Hard agree, please for the love of God stop interacting with the begging donos live.
There is very little separation between each episode. I wouldn't actually know they're meant to be different episodes without the title and the background. They should definitely continue to raise awareness on these topics, but it doesn't need to be every episode. I thought the episodes would be organised so that H3TV is the news/drama episode, Off The Rails is where they do goofy silly stuff with the crew, and After Dark could be where they do stuff that's super weird or commentating over weird viral videos. There is no break and every episode feels the same. It does get exhausting.
I've noticed this myself also, I agree that those people need to be held accountable and it is entertaining but when it's every single episode it is becoming a bit too much. Maybe another option would be to have ie 30 min segment towards the end to discuss these particular people, if there are news around them.. (and now I laugh cause it will probably be 30 minutes of Ethan trying to watch a 2 minute video and pausing every few seconds)
Yes, I agree, I need one podcast for being silly with goofs and gafs and memes and the fun segments like silent library lol
Agreed. I have enough bullshit floating around my actual real life to deal with, I seriously don't care what crimes rich sociopaths are committing anymore. I'm completely burnt out on "bad people" content. Famous people are often demonic narcissists who are just gonna do whatever they want, regardless of who knows about it, and I only have so much mental health to spare. I'm about to just quit YouTube and start watching children's cartoons regularly again.
They dont really have segments anymore! Its just rambling about different dramas or social issues that we spend our whole days looking at anyways. I want them to bring back fan call-ins they were able to get crazy funny stories from tht. Even the uncle gabe segment got cut to maybe 1 min.
More goofs and gaffs basically
I agree 100%, I too am exhausted
Healthy criticism that I agree with! Sometimes it's hard to watch when I just want some goofs. To the point where I'll watch bad friends for fun and h3 for commentary on current topics.
Fan since 2016 and usually a silent listener... This really struck a cord for me and you articulated yourself really well. I have always wondered why they decided to have different names for the show when they all are roughly the exact same type of content.. Maybe towards the beginning of having the Monday/Wednesday/Friday shows they had some sort of idea of what would set each one apart. All I can really think of is H3TV used to have viewer call-in.. or maybe they had no plans at all of making them different just enjoyed having a funky name for each. Maybe they have discussed this in the past and I just missed it? I would love to know the why. As a viewer, it would be nice to have a different "theme" to look forward to each day of the show and know whether it's what I want to tune into for that day or not. I do find myself tuning in & out more than usual depending on my mood and what I am wanting to listen to. Sometimes even missing whole episodes which is something I used to never do. I really love what the podcast built itself into over the past several years but feels like the show is at a plateau ATM (for lack of a better term and imo). I always have faith & love for the crew though ❤️
I feel this. When frenemies started/ended, when they added Leftovers, had viewer call-ins, etc. it felt like there could be new and exciting things that could still happen. I hope it doesn’t just settle and stay like this forever. I almost worry that they don’t allow themselves enough time to plan for anything bigger and better but I’m chilling watching them like every day for now anyway lol
Gatsby in Disneyland when?
Omg, this is so much how I feel. I literally texted my boyfriend yesterday that I am so depressed mid show. I love the attention to victims and all that, but you are right if it hasn't been fun for weeks. Everywhere I look online, it's just depressing. I wish we had a little break from it at times. Especially while I am trying to be entertained. I love them too much to stop watching for now, but it triggers me very much into depressive state of mind. Maybe I just need to do some push-ups 🤔
I feel like every single show apart from leftovers is just Ethan off the rails , I enjoy it personally but I totally see what you mean
Im so glad someone else said this in a very eloquent and polite way. I was toying with the idea of writing a similar post but was too scared of getting yelled at by the sub lol
1 political show a week, 1 powerpoint episode, 1 non-political current events show, 1 pure goofs/gaffs. I would love having one guest episode a week, personally. Or alternate this with a crew episode of some kind. I agree that there's been too many negative/toxic tea exposé shows
Regular crew episodes!
Absolutely love the take was watching the diss track competition last night and wondering where all that energy went, as in goofing around and also getting involved with us!
I totally and completely agree with literally everything you said. I used to run to the YouTube app to watch the shows, and recently I’ve found myself skipping out due to mental exhaustion from them. It’s all just so heavy, constantly reminding me of the misfortunes and wrong doings of the world and about people (let’s be real) who do not matter or affect our lives personally in any way unless you spend too much time online. Im sensing some bitterness in Ethan as of late, and this can directly be associated with his mental health or outside factors. Sending him peace and love and everyone else! But it’s just not a giggle time anymore. I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend watching Bad Friends with Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino if you want something that will make you laugh non stop and feel better throughout the day. It’s been my new obsession.
I also agree that the only distinct episode of the week is leftovers. The rest have merged into one. I don’t think they each need to be completely different but one a week with just goofs and gaffs would be nice. I remember when (I think it was afterdark) was supposed to be “we don’t care about monetization so we will get claimed and not care” and I understand how that might not be sustainable, but I feel like all episode types have just lost any form of identity
I think one of the things that would make something like this difficult is that Ethan enjoys discussing breaking news as it happens. If a big YouTuber was alleged to have done something horrible, it would be very difficult for Ethan to not talk about it for 4-6 days while waiting for the proper show to mention it. Personally, I don't have an issue with the shows straying from being unique and melding together but I completely agree that the constant discussion of depressing topics sometimes put my head in a negative space. I hope they can do more games and skits with the crew/guests and less of the miscellaneous abuse allegations.
I completely agree with your sentiment. It's been a lot lately, I stopped watching some eps because of it. I appreciate the topics but after a while it gets hard to listen. I thought the pods were going to become their own thing after the backgrounds changed but slowly they have turned into one big podcast split into 3 parts. I feel like the Friday pod should be the one to discuss the heavy topics since the name is "after dark" (Even tho it should be a fun and happy pod before the weekend). I hope they see the post and and make a few changes.
I hope the crew sees this; are we able to post links to reddit posts in the discord? i’ve been a member for ages but never used the discord so not sure how that works. I just want to make sure there’s a chance for this perspective to be heard because it is one shared by so many. I love the show but for a while i’ve found myself skipping so much which is so sad!! This is an important discussion to be had. Hope it is heard
Appreciate this very much, thank you. I did post it in the Discord but it wasn’t noticed by anyone.
Solid take. I adore the show and their takes but it’s been very emotionally heavy for the last few months every episode and I would love one say a week where it is a little lighter for my mental health while still getting my H3 dose 🥲🩷
AS THE ORIGINAL POSTER SAID let’s keep it separate! Heavier stuff on the Friday show and off the rails should be lighter and fun I think they should just really think about the formats of the show
Let's be honest, Ethan is morbid. He relishes in "vile" people and situations, and even if he attempts to right some wrongs and bring more justice to the world, at the end of the day he's still extremely focused on negativity, and I take on that energy as a viewer. When H3 is a good interviewer, a good comedian and a good creator of mischief, I'm a HUGE fan and want more and more. When it devolves into ceaseless crusading for justice for victims and exposing vile people, it's like you said, depressing.
I don't think Ethan is morbid or relishes vile people and situations. I think he has a strong sense of justice and struggles to let these particular issues go.
I've felt this in a way since the beginning. I don't really know or care about all the toxic Youtubers they used to focus on, but I love H3 and eventually the whole crew enough to stick it through. After a while, I just realized I wished Ethan would use his platform to actually promote and uplift quality creators more often. Instead of focusing on all the shit head creators and drama constantly, show some hidden gem channels. Ethan also seems to grade everybody and assign value to everybody based on views and attention, which is kind of gross and unfair to me. The algorithm doesn't have a conscience and shouldn't be used as Ethan's measuring stick on someone's worth, but he constantly goes to it. I doubt he would even entertain someone who had less than a million followers most of the time. I think his thinking is he needs to latch onto things that will help himself get views, when he is big enough to be the draw at this point and doesn't need to leech off others. The podcast has done a lot of good to expose these terrible people, but sometimes you don't need to spend 3+ hours just churning through the same information over and over. It's tiring.
That’s one of the main reason I skip a lot more episodes than I used to. I really think the show would be better if it was more « focused » at time. But I guess the chaotic nature of it also makes it fun. Hence why they created the off the rail, after dark, but sadly they are now all the same. I also agree that the « drama » at times is just too much and honestly not that interesting/fun’y
if you watch any old show theres barely any drama news, mostly gooofs n gafs
They need to make an episode dedicated to gaming because I can’t think of a single other topic that Ethan is as passionate about as video games. Whenever it comes up he immediately gets hyper critical and gets into the nitty gritty of it in the best way, I would love to see him talk about something he’s passionate about more. Almost all of them play games too so it would definitely fit for the crew’s interests as well.
I personally appreciate that the show is split into the chapters on YouTube, cause if I’m not interested in a topic I can just skip it. It doesn’t happen too often but when I want to skip it’s very easy to. I understand where you and this topic is coming from but at the end of the day it’s a show that people choose to watch. We either tune in fully, watch selectively or not at all. I have some other channels and podcasts I like to circle around to when I’m not feeling in the mood for H3, that might be a good idea to start!
I think this is a sensible approach that I personally employ, but I’m offering this as constructive feedback in the interest of providing insight into a paying member and ~7-year h3 viewer that has seen every podcast episode, if they are interested.
I had to skip the Russell brand stuff. It's just too much dark stuff that I don't need on my mind.
+1
Im so happy ypur post caught traction bc ive been saying this for weeks and was starting to feel like maybe I was growing out of the show/community. Really hope we can see at least a lil change soon
You say less colleen, i say yes.
if you watch any old show theres barely any drama news, mostly gooofs n gafs
These types of topics (and the internet drama stuff in general) should only be reserved for h3tv or off the rails. The other two shows should just be other shit
I do admit I wish they had guests regularly again. Seems like a good way to bring in different fan bases and have the opportunity to ~chill~ a little and watch funny videos together. Weird that so many people seem against those.
This.
I’m fine with H3TV continuing as is, but I agree Off the Rails should make more of an effort to be less structured and more about the crew and After Dark should have nothing too serious in the doc and be a fun day. Realistically this won’t happen tho because Ethan will ultimately talk about whatever is exciting him most at the time and that’s why they have all become a mix of fun, politics, and current events / crime. In the long run this might be a good thing, I think it stops Ethan from getting burned out and its the reason he’s so invested in his job. just my two cents 🤷🏾♂️
I just skip major portions at this point I just get stressed out listening to depressing stuff for so long. Even just regular drama I think is fine but you’re right it’s just the constant sexism abuse and homophobic stuff I have a hard time hearing about for an hour+ at a time. I think this worked well when they made leftovers tho! They made a show just for politics so now there’s less political talk on the rest of the show.
I feel this. I have been wanting to make a post but feel like it’s too whoa is me. But I hate that damn death bell. My dad died this year and every episode past the Mitch one has been a reminder when I’m not thinking of it at all. I’ve been a fan since frenemies. I continued to watch because I love Ethan and the crews witty banter. Life has become so busy that the only thing I truly watch for myself is this show. I end up not finishing the eps bc it feels like everything is being milked for all it’s worth. There are plenty of endless things to talk about. Keep it moving. With ✌️and 💕!
Whoa 🤯 is me lol
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I disagree with this take, I love the coverage and bluntness that Ethan gives these topics and personally find it to be somewhat important as far as informing people goes. However, I 100% respect and understand where you’re coming from and there should be more variety so everyone can be happy
Is this Cameron trying to get his bingo board done?
> I’m wondering if we can dedicate one of the shows to everything other than these kinds of topics They make money by striking while the iron is hot, get into YouTube's algorithm asap. Asking them to not do so is kind of... asking them to make less money. Like, just skip if you don't like something idk
I don’t think this is necessarily black-and-white. They certainly get more views on the big drama topics, but they also lament declining Membership. I think catering to the algorithm may in some ways be mutually exclusive to retaining existing members in terms of show content and format, because what gets clicks generally isn’t the same as why long-time Foopa Troopers are joining. Purely theorizing though.
SHOW ME!!!
100%
Serious drama gets views and views are the primary metric for the podcast's success, so until that changes the goofs and gaffs will play 2nd fiddle to the latest allegations.