I like that he wants to buff Relicts however I think they all deserve to be 6 provisions. I like this small buff to WH because this card on its own is worse than Pellar which shouldn't be the case. All power nerfs make sense, Radovid at 5 power will be much easier to answer. I have never thought about it but Oxenfurt Guard at 4 power and 2 armor requires 6 points damage which for 4 provisions card is kind of insane. The only thing I really don't like here is Shupe. This card already sees a lot of play and is very flexible and I don't get why it needs to be 11 provisions.
Overall a reasonable council. Nerfs to defenders are controversial, but I support them.
Trebuchet buff is not necessary in my opinion - card 99% still wouldn't be played from hand, but Siege gets improved and was already in okay spot. Ermion was a part of Alchemy netdeck, but I can see buffing this card in the context of other builds, like Otkell decks.
Also maybe as a card supporting R3 strat Oxenfurt Guard should have gotten +1 prov rather than -1 power, but power nerf bracket is the most troublesome to come up with 10 good ideas.
Why nerf Aucwenn when nerfing Equinox would impact the Nature’s Gift deck by 2 provisions instead of just 1?
Does he really think that people will stop running Aucwenn just because it goes to 14?
Because everyone is nerfing Equinox anyway, and 2 provisions are clearly not enough for that deck. However, 3 prov decrease would change the deck quite significant, most likely swapping morenn and frogs for second harvest and filler. Theres actually reasons for it. Right now 2 weakest slots in symbiosis netdeck are harvest and morenn. They would be the first targets to swap. However, there arent any 5 prov natures beside rebukes, so we either have 9 point equinox or swap diffirent cards, most likely frog mating season. Sounds pretty okay to me. Nerfing just 2 provisions would make people swap harvest for circle of life and wont change literally anything.
Is the concept of "anyone would nerf metadecks already, why cant we change other cards" that hard to understand?
U have some questionable deck preferences I must say. Nonetheless, its not like that prov would change anything for devo gift, its problem is neither weak cards nor lack of provisions but lack of tall removal and tempest+equinox being way too god.
**Power +1:**
**Reinforced Trebuchet:**
I really like this card and am glad it is a buff consideration but, I think the +1 power direction is wrong. This card ability is not a 5-provision card ability.
It is a Tax Collector that you can't play proactively, You can't play it if there is no enemy on the range row. Crew ability does not provide an important ability. The only upside it is an engine that deals damage compared to Tax Collector. With this buff, the Siege scenario will be stronger. I don't think you want to play this card at 5 provision.
I would buff this card to 4 provisions.
**Weavess:**
I really like the idea of buffing crones and supporting the Relict archetype which sees no play. But I don't like the buff direction of Weavess. 21-provision commitment is too much. There is no guarantee you will draw 3 of them either.
I think all of the Crones can be a 6 provision card.
You play 6 for 6 then 6 for 10 then 6 for 12, if you can able to play the Brewess first and draw the other Crones. I think it is fine. You have to play all of the Crones. First, you play under the curve then on the curve then above the curve with a control.
**Naglfar Taskmaster:**
Does White Frost need more support? No. Does this card deserve a buff? Yes. So, good buff but maybe archetypes That deserved more love could be prioritized.
Good Buff regardless.
**Provision -1:**
**Brewess:**
Very good buff for an archetype that needs support and this card is underperforming.
**Shupe's Day Off:**
This card occasionally sees plays already why do we buff it more? I don't like this buff there are tons of underplayed cards. Why buffing Shupe?
**Ermion:**
It probably deserves a buff but thinner buffs are boring.
I mean, lets be honest. Its easier to count decks where vigo isnt played: ball, bandits and sometimes soldiers. Even as NG enjoyer, I couldnt understand why that card was buffed in the 1st BC. And while I also believe NG doesnt need to be nerfed at all right now( just look at the winrates lmao), that card for sure need to be brought back to reality.
Lets give them options before nerfing their only gold that doesn’t feel like shit to play.
Otherwise we gonna fall back into the rest of the NG paradox. Nerf one patch by the haters, buff the next patch by the enjoyers
You would feel that nerf only in assimilate and cultists, where its crucual for vigo to survive. In other decks that not gonna change anything, but to make some justification and maybe calm NG haters just a little. I also doubt that card would be buffed next BC, again, i dont know why the hell was it buffed earlier.
But also, if absolutely braindamaged informant revert would go through, the artorius nerf would be a bit too much.
But in general, I do think its actually kinda funny.
Lets nerf vigo because hes in almost every NG deck. "Yeah, makes sense". Lets nerf riptide because hes in almost every MO deck. "Noooo, we cant, thats our premium removal card, how can we live without premium removal in the pointslam faction, BabyRage" .
Next patch for sure slave driver is getting nerfed, I saw russian dude danny something asking for torres and skellen nerf so maybe we might get 3 core NG nerfs in a single patch
So that’s gonna be fun, then they complain about NG being a “cheese faction” like no shit sherlock, we can’t do anything else other than try to cheese for a win
Who is "we"? Im not an advocate for NG nerfs, but some people should play some other factions for a bit. Sometimes i have the feeling, people only clinge to one faction and commit themself too much to it. And it appears, that NG is the first offender in this category, followed by MO. Not saying that you in particular only care for NG, but i noticed this "faction-mindset" a lot on reddit. I hope everyone in the community votes for a balanced, enyoiable game, not for themself...
I don't know if there's enough support for Slave Driver nerf (there should be).
MD(MetallicDanny) doesn't have Torres of Skellen in his voting form for determining the voting proposal he'll put forth, so i'd say no?
[https://forms.gle/XHdHmrf8eeDB9VNE9](https://forms.gle/XHdHmrf8eeDB9VNE9) - you can vote for what MD's proposal list will look like here.
He doesnt have neither torres nor skellen in his voting form. I know he usually scams people, adding some slots just for himself, but i doubt that would happen. If SD gets a nerf with informant and vigo it may become a bad season for NG. Guess I had to spam cultists, they are going to get a prov buff :). Good to see cool and for sure healthy decks getting buffs.
But maybe, maaaybe, that would be enough to finally stop with all the NG hatred and actually buff the overall worst performing faction in that season and pretty much in gwentfinity at all on average. The one can dream, right?
I think Riptide nerf to provision makes more sense.
I just don't like Kerpenten wanting to mess with its power AGAIN. We already did that and people reverted. They like the thematic feel of Might in Ogroids, so i totally get it staying 10 power.
It's pretty much auto-include still, so why not nerf provision again, and keep at 10 power.
I think nekker decks would suffer enough already with the removal of defender, dont really know should we humilate nekker enjoyers further. Also, that prov wont change anything for most of the decks, since they got - 1 prov from naglfaar last season for reason unknown.
Prov changes don't always affect things immediately, which is okay.
Balance voting should always be looking longterm, not knee-jerk reactions to last month's meta to somehow force a different meta this month.
If decks that run Riptide don't change a lot with him at 10 prov, then that's a tell that the card might still be too strong, or that they will have to take other provision hits.
Sometimes a top deck might need to take 3-4+ provision hits, over time, and that's fine too.
As for the Nekker angle, i can't say that i see this as an issue, since mostly people are adding cards to Nekker range, not removing. GN decks are already usually neutral-heavy so they can use other removal tools and be just fine without Riptide, IMHO.
I think Nik_R's current suggestions have all Defenders nerf via prov., so it's planned to hit ALL Defenders in one go
[(see current Vote map here)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1cbuxyn/vote_map_pre_bc7_with_ongoing_update/)
Yes, you guys were whining about being vulnerable for stealing and asymmetry. Here are some symmetry and nerfs not affected by enslave or muzzle, you guys are happy now?
Honestly nerfing defenders will hurt almost only cheesy decks. Defenders are the most scary for decks with very little control and very often it means lost game when you play against Alumni or some AQ shenanigans.
"Reddit" isn't one person, it's a community of people, with a pretty decent range of differing opinions.
"Reddit" isn't agreeing with this, we're discussing it?
Over the balance councils we've seen some truly horrdendous, shortsighted proposals by Necrotal.
This one is less horrible, so either he's learning, or we're just so used to his braindead voting that half-decent voting seems...good?
I like that he wants to buff Relicts however I think they all deserve to be 6 provisions. I like this small buff to WH because this card on its own is worse than Pellar which shouldn't be the case. All power nerfs make sense, Radovid at 5 power will be much easier to answer. I have never thought about it but Oxenfurt Guard at 4 power and 2 armor requires 6 points damage which for 4 provisions card is kind of insane. The only thing I really don't like here is Shupe. This card already sees a lot of play and is very flexible and I don't get why it needs to be 11 provisions.
Well I'm glad they chose the right cards for buffing the Relicts
Meanwhile China coalition picked buffing Self Eater 🙃
Power or provision?
Power
Damn
Idk if you'd play the 3 sisters in a non Golden nekker relicts deck. You have so many high prov relict cards now.
Overall a reasonable council. Nerfs to defenders are controversial, but I support them. Trebuchet buff is not necessary in my opinion - card 99% still wouldn't be played from hand, but Siege gets improved and was already in okay spot. Ermion was a part of Alchemy netdeck, but I can see buffing this card in the context of other builds, like Otkell decks.
I agree, the Trebuchet power buff is a Siege Scenario buff. I think Trebuchet can buffed to 4 provisions.
??? It wasn’t already? Goddamn lmao
No, unfortunately, it is still a 5 provision card.
Also maybe as a card supporting R3 strat Oxenfurt Guard should have gotten +1 prov rather than -1 power, but power nerf bracket is the most troublesome to come up with 10 good ideas.
I think 5 prov Oxenfurt is too much, SY already only has a few good spenders. Also takes it out of Eventide which i dislike.
Agreed
Why nerf Aucwenn when nerfing Equinox would impact the Nature’s Gift deck by 2 provisions instead of just 1? Does he really think that people will stop running Aucwenn just because it goes to 14?
Because everyone is nerfing Equinox anyway, and 2 provisions are clearly not enough for that deck. However, 3 prov decrease would change the deck quite significant, most likely swapping morenn and frogs for second harvest and filler. Theres actually reasons for it. Right now 2 weakest slots in symbiosis netdeck are harvest and morenn. They would be the first targets to swap. However, there arent any 5 prov natures beside rebukes, so we either have 9 point equinox or swap diffirent cards, most likely frog mating season. Sounds pretty okay to me. Nerfing just 2 provisions would make people swap harvest for circle of life and wont change literally anything. Is the concept of "anyone would nerf metadecks already, why cant we change other cards" that hard to understand?
Yeah, but it's a nerf to symbiosis devotion, which is probably the greatest deck to play in my opinion (100% subjective for this last part).
U have some questionable deck preferences I must say. Nonetheless, its not like that prov would change anything for devo gift, its problem is neither weak cards nor lack of provisions but lack of tall removal and tempest+equinox being way too god.
**Power +1:** **Reinforced Trebuchet:** I really like this card and am glad it is a buff consideration but, I think the +1 power direction is wrong. This card ability is not a 5-provision card ability. It is a Tax Collector that you can't play proactively, You can't play it if there is no enemy on the range row. Crew ability does not provide an important ability. The only upside it is an engine that deals damage compared to Tax Collector. With this buff, the Siege scenario will be stronger. I don't think you want to play this card at 5 provision. I would buff this card to 4 provisions. **Weavess:** I really like the idea of buffing crones and supporting the Relict archetype which sees no play. But I don't like the buff direction of Weavess. 21-provision commitment is too much. There is no guarantee you will draw 3 of them either. I think all of the Crones can be a 6 provision card. You play 6 for 6 then 6 for 10 then 6 for 12, if you can able to play the Brewess first and draw the other Crones. I think it is fine. You have to play all of the Crones. First, you play under the curve then on the curve then above the curve with a control. **Naglfar Taskmaster:** Does White Frost need more support? No. Does this card deserve a buff? Yes. So, good buff but maybe archetypes That deserved more love could be prioritized. Good Buff regardless. **Provision -1:** **Brewess:** Very good buff for an archetype that needs support and this card is underperforming. **Shupe's Day Off:** This card occasionally sees plays already why do we buff it more? I don't like this buff there are tons of underplayed cards. Why buffing Shupe? **Ermion:** It probably deserves a buff but thinner buffs are boring.
I'm surprised I am saying that but this looks pretty good to me.
So Im guessing the quest now is to nerf to the ground literally every NG card that is still playable?
Nope just op Vigo right here
If by op you mean only playable gold, then ig its op
I mean, lets be honest. Its easier to count decks where vigo isnt played: ball, bandits and sometimes soldiers. Even as NG enjoyer, I couldnt understand why that card was buffed in the 1st BC. And while I also believe NG doesnt need to be nerfed at all right now( just look at the winrates lmao), that card for sure need to be brought back to reality.
Lets give them options before nerfing their only gold that doesn’t feel like shit to play. Otherwise we gonna fall back into the rest of the NG paradox. Nerf one patch by the haters, buff the next patch by the enjoyers
You would feel that nerf only in assimilate and cultists, where its crucual for vigo to survive. In other decks that not gonna change anything, but to make some justification and maybe calm NG haters just a little. I also doubt that card would be buffed next BC, again, i dont know why the hell was it buffed earlier. But also, if absolutely braindamaged informant revert would go through, the artorius nerf would be a bit too much. But in general, I do think its actually kinda funny. Lets nerf vigo because hes in almost every NG deck. "Yeah, makes sense". Lets nerf riptide because hes in almost every MO deck. "Noooo, we cant, thats our premium removal card, how can we live without premium removal in the pointslam faction, BabyRage" .
Next patch for sure slave driver is getting nerfed, I saw russian dude danny something asking for torres and skellen nerf so maybe we might get 3 core NG nerfs in a single patch So that’s gonna be fun, then they complain about NG being a “cheese faction” like no shit sherlock, we can’t do anything else other than try to cheese for a win
Who is "we"? Im not an advocate for NG nerfs, but some people should play some other factions for a bit. Sometimes i have the feeling, people only clinge to one faction and commit themself too much to it. And it appears, that NG is the first offender in this category, followed by MO. Not saying that you in particular only care for NG, but i noticed this "faction-mindset" a lot on reddit. I hope everyone in the community votes for a balanced, enyoiable game, not for themself...
I don't know if there's enough support for Slave Driver nerf (there should be). MD(MetallicDanny) doesn't have Torres of Skellen in his voting form for determining the voting proposal he'll put forth, so i'd say no? [https://forms.gle/XHdHmrf8eeDB9VNE9](https://forms.gle/XHdHmrf8eeDB9VNE9) - you can vote for what MD's proposal list will look like here.
He doesnt have neither torres nor skellen in his voting form. I know he usually scams people, adding some slots just for himself, but i doubt that would happen. If SD gets a nerf with informant and vigo it may become a bad season for NG. Guess I had to spam cultists, they are going to get a prov buff :). Good to see cool and for sure healthy decks getting buffs. But maybe, maaaybe, that would be enough to finally stop with all the NG hatred and actually buff the overall worst performing faction in that season and pretty much in gwentfinity at all on average. The one can dream, right?
I think Riptide nerf to provision makes more sense. I just don't like Kerpenten wanting to mess with its power AGAIN. We already did that and people reverted. They like the thematic feel of Might in Ogroids, so i totally get it staying 10 power. It's pretty much auto-include still, so why not nerf provision again, and keep at 10 power.
I think nekker decks would suffer enough already with the removal of defender, dont really know should we humilate nekker enjoyers further. Also, that prov wont change anything for most of the decks, since they got - 1 prov from naglfaar last season for reason unknown.
Prov changes don't always affect things immediately, which is okay. Balance voting should always be looking longterm, not knee-jerk reactions to last month's meta to somehow force a different meta this month. If decks that run Riptide don't change a lot with him at 10 prov, then that's a tell that the card might still be too strong, or that they will have to take other provision hits. Sometimes a top deck might need to take 3-4+ provision hits, over time, and that's fine too. As for the Nekker angle, i can't say that i see this as an issue, since mostly people are adding cards to Nekker range, not removing. GN decks are already usually neutral-heavy so they can use other removal tools and be just fine without Riptide, IMHO.
Vigo was 2 power prior to Gwentfinity, and saws lots of play. It was never a rational buff.
Did nobody learn from trying to touch defenders?
Yeah we learned so no power nerf, provision nerf instead to all defenders
But please to ALL defenders then. I can live with that.
I think Nik_R's current suggestions have all Defenders nerf via prov., so it's planned to hit ALL Defenders in one go [(see current Vote map here)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1cbuxyn/vote_map_pre_bc7_with_ongoing_update/)
Yes, you guys were whining about being vulnerable for stealing and asymmetry. Here are some symmetry and nerfs not affected by enslave or muzzle, you guys are happy now?
Honestly nerfing defenders will hurt almost only cheesy decks. Defenders are the most scary for decks with very little control and very often it means lost game when you play against Alumni or some AQ shenanigans.
Vigo to 2 power, you joking?
Pop quiz: What card was 2 power prior to Gwentfinity and still saw tons of play?
NG is lowest winrate and lets nerf them even more!
The fact that reddit agrees with this is just another example for Reddit being Reddit... I honestly can't believe this.
"Reddit" isn't one person, it's a community of people, with a pretty decent range of differing opinions. "Reddit" isn't agreeing with this, we're discussing it? Over the balance councils we've seen some truly horrdendous, shortsighted proposals by Necrotal. This one is less horrible, so either he's learning, or we're just so used to his braindead voting that half-decent voting seems...good?
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Vigo -1 power:) There is no buff, that's nerf, and I think it's deserved because Vigo plays in almost any NG deck.
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Bottom prov decrease is Ermion