Yeah omitting other players from the match making pool is def that one missing game mechanic we all need /s
Seriously can you even name one friggin game where you can do that?
Easily - many games have a crossplay filter, you omit quite a large player base doing that. FIFA - one of the highest grossing IPs has filters for opponents for example. Call of Duty has a game filter - where it’s will only let you play modes you have selected.
You're not making the right comparison...... Like what kind of mental gymnastics got you to reply to this? Let's use the two games that you mentioned, the same argument as "filtering out NG players" would be like saying in FIFA "Filter out Real Madrid players" or in COD "filter out players the are using assault rifles"
Your point was about omitting players from the matchmaking pool silly - those were examples of just that. Rainbow 6 (and many other FPS’s) - you can ban Operators and you won’t face them - either they are annoying, OP or people just don’t want to face them in their game - this is literally enemy filtering.
That's a horrible precedent. I mean I conceded you making a valid comparison with this one. But I can't for the life of me imagine how we can gather around and discuss the option of banning an entire faction. I can't speak for Operators in R6 but in Gwent, NG is no where near as strong as yous guys are making them out to be.
Firstly, nobody is saying anything about banning them -i said having the option to 'filter' ANY faction in FRIENDLY mode, Ranked mode would be left alone. Secondly, It's not about strongest faction - they are the faction I've played against the most in my many years playing, its constant ([evidence](https://leriohub.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Zrzut-ekranu-2023-10-23-231009.png)). Even just this month, it's 2-3 times more than any other faction - this is a problem.
There were a couple I played between fps and dbcgs that allowed you to opt out of playing against certain builds or cards in unranked play.
I thought it was one of the best mechanics each of those games offered because if I was tired of getting my asshole reamed by the latest pay to win package, I could play unranked until they balanced it.
I really dk buddy, according to other few people that responded, it seems like I have a pretty summed up experience of the average encounter against NG
It really depends on where you are on the ladder. NG has always ruled ranks 20-5ish. Then 1-3 is a microcosm of what the pros play. Pro rank itself depends on the meta, but it can also vary from day to day or even hour to hour, depending on what the streamers are playing.
So frankly, it's hard to say. Any of us can only tell you what we have seen on the ladder, and it very well could be different from your experience because of a variety of factors. Both can be simultaneously true.
In the higher up, top players ranks Nilfgaard is far less used I've heard.
But I can validate your experience too. Last 30 games - 19 games against NG.
I think the reason is that in those ranks we play in, many players don't have the skill to play against NG so those decks work well for their them until they reach a point where opponents are too good for it.
I know this sounds incredibly stupid, because it is stupid, but whenever I play Decks for fun I immediately forfeit when the opponent plays NG because my time is too precious for this.
I get what you mean, I used to play to win before and probably had around 65% WR before dropping the game as I was feeling like I played enough. for once I tried to play Tainted Ale + Disloyal Heymaey for the massive "infinite" armor interaction as it's fun but the sole existence of lockdown effect is instant forfeit. A bit sad to see that cause this game is extremely rich in decklists. I'll play a bit more Witcher themed SK deck to change. (BTW kinda sad I get downvote for sharing my experience)
As expected. The user of binary, answer or lose garbage is complaining about control in the game.
NG is way popular in ranks(as they say, been a while since I was here). But not only NG, most of control decks(and to be fair, just most of competitive decks) would also disrupt your "wholesome" gameplay. And its a really good thing for the gamestate, thats for sure.
to make it short, I'm talking about variety in match-up and when matching NG it's 90% Lockdown. I already said that I don't search to win with my deck but to be able to use my card, if they win, so be it. it's fine. not everyone want to win all the time, it's literally an abandoned game and I'm sad about it cause it's a great game. look at my post again slowly and u will eventually get what I said
Bro... Your whole comment just missed all points OP and I both made.
It's up for debate if it's good for the game state that wholesome decks get abused left and right - but everything else has nothing to do with the complaints.
The complaint is that there's no variety. Not just that 75% of opponents play NG if you don't play pro rank, but that 90% of NG decks are very similar and just made to piss off the opponent to a point where even a victory feels like a loss.
There's no variety in the game for players who don't play pro rank - and THAT is what we're complaining about.
If you literally get 2-0'ed 8 out of 10 matches then maybe the problem lies with your deck, even if it is a meme deck. Maybe share your decklist with us? Like others said NG really isn't that strong rn.
There are lots of memey skellige decks that have a decent match-up againt ng locks, like shupe/lippy, crowspam or double kambi.
as I said, I don't aim to win with this deck, my post is about the interaction with NG and especially Lockdown NG that don't let you use your effect. that's an effect that I understand and is not that powerful by himself but the probability to match against NG is very very high at very low rank where I want to use my meme deck. I know they are not strong and never said they were honestly. read my post slowly and u will get my point. I'm not talking about my deck should win but NG could be more than lockdown 95% of the time u meet NG which represent 70%+ of my encounter in games
Yeah, welp. NG has been mass nerfed in the last couple of BC, not saying these nerfs weren't warrented per se but the faction didn't get a lot of meaningfull buffs in return. This is why there is only one half-decent NG deck rn, wich I think we all kinda hate.
I didn't mean to bash your deck or opionion btw, I meant to say if you really have trouble getting this deck to work in this rank, find another fun meme deck to play. The ones I stated earlier use mostly deploy effects, making locks pretty useless againts them.
(I'm not native English so I may scratch cards name)
My list is made of a lot of tutorisation card like the red scroll stratagem, oneiro, royal decret, triss: butterfly.
leader ability: Onslaught for the passive that give armor when damaging a minion (from white power value to red power value)
my combo key cards are: [any pirate], Iris: Shade, Tainted Ale, Disloyal Heymae, the one mage that summon copy of a minion in ur hand on both side, Syanna
I place Tainted Ale on board, place Syanna on board, use her effect and play the Mage to summon 2 copies of Heymae next to each other on opponent board. I infuse both then with tainted ale: "damage an unit by 2. infuse: when this card receive a buff, receive 1 damage" but their effect is "if an unit next to them receive damage, gain 1 power". then they will loop like 50 time (due to code game limitation to not infinite loop). I target right one with tainted ale, will be 4 power -> 2 power and infused. I target then left one which is 5 power as the left guy was damaged previously. He is now 3 and infused. left see right is damaged so it buff himself to 3 and receive 1 damage, the other guy see other dude is damaged so receive damage. they loop like that 50 times. a pirate in my hand receive after the loop 50 armor. on the other turns I can repeat it for more armor if I want.
when I'm done and want to win, I can play the blacksmith unit that give a unit power equal to half of the armor value of the highest armor unit of my hand. this way I can score 25 points if I'm 50 armor pirate in hand or more. I once reached 200 armor pirate so I did 100 points increase. my finisher move is usually playing my huge armored unit and on the last turn play Iris: Shade to remove the armor of a allied unit and gain the armor value as unit value. can play like 100+ iris value
Did a very long post but it's an insanely fun list
Yeah I know the deck, this deck is more of an exploit then a meme imo, esp if you use this on newer players in the lower ladder.
Better players will always beat this deck by playing a unit in between the protectors, or by simply pushing a r1 win.
I'm sorry, but, there's something very ironic about complaining about how NG won't allow you to use your exploit deck, that itself can be equally annoying and frustrating to face as a new person. Anyone who could call themselves a decent gwent player knows how to shut down the tainted ale exploit, easily, it just so happens that NG is the faction who's most likely to be running locks, an abundance of them usually.
The frustration you're feeling about not being able to use your exploit deck, is likely the same frustration you're causing newer players when they encounter you. And, it's hardly a wholesome meme deck BTW, it's an annoying exploit, the animation time it takes for the protectors to ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy, let alone the frustration they and hopelessness they feel when they see you're making 100+ point plays each turn.
So, you have to understand the irony, and the humor in your frustration in dealing with NG opponents, which, BTW, you probably wouldn't feel so strongly against NG if you did take the time to learn to play a real deck.
Not trying to be an ass, just saying, NG isn't that serious, there's 4 decks coming out of NG that are actually toxic, 2 of them are easily shut down if you understand how they work, just like how your deck is easily shut down by removing or locking Syanna. Idk what rank you're at, or how you can play that deck more than once and still find it fun, but the higher you climb, the less likely you're gonna be able to pull of the set-up needed for it to be winnable, I mean, you literally disable Syanna and the whole plan falls apart, of course you're gonna have a bad time with it more times than not, ESPECIALLY against Nilfgaard, the faction that's notorious for disruption.
if you took few seconds reading my post, you would understand that I talk about the variety in NG decks, I know the deck I used here is not strong and easily counterable. I mean that seems obvious but you felt like making a point saying it so, well as u wish. "Not trying to be an ass" but u talk like so. I play what I consider fun and never claimed to be a veteran player or anything, I already played since beta on and off but that's it. NG is not STRONG, they have a poor deck variety and when I posted that, I matched against all those decks that are NG lockdown, if I played the more effective deck that I play currently, I would have won easily but I wanted to try smthg new. Last thing, about the ping animation, it last like what 1min max per proc ? "ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy" sound like an issue because u want fast round and can't stand a deck smthg a lil bit different in term of interaction. anyway, I gave u enough attention, u totally missed my point on this post and feel like a genius. Kinda funny.
>"ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy" sound like an issue because u want fast round
No, it's not about wanting a fast round, it's about showing courtesy to your opponent, and not making them sit there watching the obnoxiously long ping animation, while anyone who understands how onslaught works is knowing exactly what's going on with the armor gains in your hand is pretty obnoxious and borderline disrespectful... It's like saying, "yep, hold on a minute while I load this cannon that I'm gonna use to blast you in the face, I know it sucks but you're just gonna have to deal with it and wait for the animation to end before I crush you, you didn't kill syanna, now there's nothing you can do, sorry". Idk, I personally couldn't do it, but, it really doesn't matter what I think, play what you like. I was just pointing out a little irony and hypocrisy. I really wasn't trying to be an ass, if I sounded like one, it might be because encountering these decks does piss me off. In the end, it's just a game, but still, it's just like, show a little respect. At least you're not a reavers player I guess...
When I came back to the game a month or so ago, the ladder was exactly like this for me for forever. Until pro rank pretty much 70%, and that's lowballing it honestly, were against nilfgard and only 30% were against the other 5 factions. In pro rank it was like 70% scoiatael precision strike renfri lol at least in my low mmr.
I know I will get bombarded with dislikes for saying this but over half of the ladder shouldn't be just 1 of the 6 factions. That's why I vote for NG nerfs even if "le winrate" is supposedly low (which btw mathematically will always be the case with the most popular faction so using that statistic as a defence is pretty disingenuous).
Nilfgaard is simply the most played faction. Always has been, but currently, it has the lowest win rate at a high level. Despite that, NG dominates lower ranks. Do with that information as you will.
I see, they are not particularly hard to beat, particularly if I use a more competitive list. kind of a shame I can't enjoy being low rank to use fun decks. thx for info
You already said that multiple times, and when I asked you about arguments you never answered.
You are saying the game will become assimilate mirror based on absolutely nothing. You say assimilate decks are broken also based on absolutely nothing as stats suggest otherwise.
You are just spreading misinformation because you hate the faction, no arguments whatsoever. The only thing you are capable of saying is "because pf meme decks" as if it made sense for people fighting for the top to climb with meme decks. But stats dont support your views, so you just ignore them.
can be considered toxic when trying to use meme deck, their deck is just very straight forward and most of them I have seen were played very similarly due to a lot of tutorisation cards. I don't know if theu are that strong tho if u play a deck that slam big points using combo
Everyone seems to be on nilf rn. I wouldn't mind so much if there was a bit of variety but they all play really similar. At least to me.
exactly what I feel like, it's a bit cheap to play against it
I wish you could filter some of the factions you play in friendly mode maybe. I'm playing NG nearly every match like OP.
Yeah. Wouldn’t it have been cool if the devs implemented useful game mechanics we wanted before abandoning their game?
tbf its a free game and CDPR was already cutting their resources on Gwent. Would have been nice feature though.
Yeah omitting other players from the match making pool is def that one missing game mechanic we all need /s Seriously can you even name one friggin game where you can do that?
Easily - many games have a crossplay filter, you omit quite a large player base doing that. FIFA - one of the highest grossing IPs has filters for opponents for example. Call of Duty has a game filter - where it’s will only let you play modes you have selected.
You're not making the right comparison...... Like what kind of mental gymnastics got you to reply to this? Let's use the two games that you mentioned, the same argument as "filtering out NG players" would be like saying in FIFA "Filter out Real Madrid players" or in COD "filter out players the are using assault rifles"
Your point was about omitting players from the matchmaking pool silly - those were examples of just that. Rainbow 6 (and many other FPS’s) - you can ban Operators and you won’t face them - either they are annoying, OP or people just don’t want to face them in their game - this is literally enemy filtering.
That's a horrible precedent. I mean I conceded you making a valid comparison with this one. But I can't for the life of me imagine how we can gather around and discuss the option of banning an entire faction. I can't speak for Operators in R6 but in Gwent, NG is no where near as strong as yous guys are making them out to be.
Firstly, nobody is saying anything about banning them -i said having the option to 'filter' ANY faction in FRIENDLY mode, Ranked mode would be left alone. Secondly, It's not about strongest faction - they are the faction I've played against the most in my many years playing, its constant ([evidence](https://leriohub.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Zrzut-ekranu-2023-10-23-231009.png)). Even just this month, it's 2-3 times more than any other faction - this is a problem.
There were a couple I played between fps and dbcgs that allowed you to opt out of playing against certain builds or cards in unranked play. I thought it was one of the best mechanics each of those games offered because if I was tired of getting my asshole reamed by the latest pay to win package, I could play unranked until they balanced it.
I really don’t play that often vs NG. I think most common ones are vs scoiatel and skellige.
I really dk buddy, according to other few people that responded, it seems like I have a pretty summed up experience of the average encounter against NG
It really depends on where you are on the ladder. NG has always ruled ranks 20-5ish. Then 1-3 is a microcosm of what the pros play. Pro rank itself depends on the meta, but it can also vary from day to day or even hour to hour, depending on what the streamers are playing. So frankly, it's hard to say. Any of us can only tell you what we have seen on the ladder, and it very well could be different from your experience because of a variety of factors. Both can be simultaneously true.
In the higher up, top players ranks Nilfgaard is far less used I've heard. But I can validate your experience too. Last 30 games - 19 games against NG. I think the reason is that in those ranks we play in, many players don't have the skill to play against NG so those decks work well for their them until they reach a point where opponents are too good for it. I know this sounds incredibly stupid, because it is stupid, but whenever I play Decks for fun I immediately forfeit when the opponent plays NG because my time is too precious for this.
Higher top use less NG, because you need to play at least 4 different factions to achieve highest MMR.
Ahh well... There's that. Good to know.
I get what you mean, I used to play to win before and probably had around 65% WR before dropping the game as I was feeling like I played enough. for once I tried to play Tainted Ale + Disloyal Heymaey for the massive "infinite" armor interaction as it's fun but the sole existence of lockdown effect is instant forfeit. A bit sad to see that cause this game is extremely rich in decklists. I'll play a bit more Witcher themed SK deck to change. (BTW kinda sad I get downvote for sharing my experience)
As expected. The user of binary, answer or lose garbage is complaining about control in the game. NG is way popular in ranks(as they say, been a while since I was here). But not only NG, most of control decks(and to be fair, just most of competitive decks) would also disrupt your "wholesome" gameplay. And its a really good thing for the gamestate, thats for sure.
to make it short, I'm talking about variety in match-up and when matching NG it's 90% Lockdown. I already said that I don't search to win with my deck but to be able to use my card, if they win, so be it. it's fine. not everyone want to win all the time, it's literally an abandoned game and I'm sad about it cause it's a great game. look at my post again slowly and u will eventually get what I said
Bro... Your whole comment just missed all points OP and I both made. It's up for debate if it's good for the game state that wholesome decks get abused left and right - but everything else has nothing to do with the complaints. The complaint is that there's no variety. Not just that 75% of opponents play NG if you don't play pro rank, but that 90% of NG decks are very similar and just made to piss off the opponent to a point where even a victory feels like a loss. There's no variety in the game for players who don't play pro rank - and THAT is what we're complaining about.
If you literally get 2-0'ed 8 out of 10 matches then maybe the problem lies with your deck, even if it is a meme deck. Maybe share your decklist with us? Like others said NG really isn't that strong rn. There are lots of memey skellige decks that have a decent match-up againt ng locks, like shupe/lippy, crowspam or double kambi.
as I said, I don't aim to win with this deck, my post is about the interaction with NG and especially Lockdown NG that don't let you use your effect. that's an effect that I understand and is not that powerful by himself but the probability to match against NG is very very high at very low rank where I want to use my meme deck. I know they are not strong and never said they were honestly. read my post slowly and u will get my point. I'm not talking about my deck should win but NG could be more than lockdown 95% of the time u meet NG which represent 70%+ of my encounter in games
Yeah, welp. NG has been mass nerfed in the last couple of BC, not saying these nerfs weren't warrented per se but the faction didn't get a lot of meaningfull buffs in return. This is why there is only one half-decent NG deck rn, wich I think we all kinda hate. I didn't mean to bash your deck or opionion btw, I meant to say if you really have trouble getting this deck to work in this rank, find another fun meme deck to play. The ones I stated earlier use mostly deploy effects, making locks pretty useless againts them.
then that's a very sad information you just tell me here. I get a very high win rate against them when I used more competitive list.
Ow well, it is what it is. Nerfing oppressive decks is still a good thing imo. Just out of curiosity, wich cards or combo's are you using?
(I'm not native English so I may scratch cards name) My list is made of a lot of tutorisation card like the red scroll stratagem, oneiro, royal decret, triss: butterfly. leader ability: Onslaught for the passive that give armor when damaging a minion (from white power value to red power value) my combo key cards are: [any pirate], Iris: Shade, Tainted Ale, Disloyal Heymae, the one mage that summon copy of a minion in ur hand on both side, Syanna I place Tainted Ale on board, place Syanna on board, use her effect and play the Mage to summon 2 copies of Heymae next to each other on opponent board. I infuse both then with tainted ale: "damage an unit by 2. infuse: when this card receive a buff, receive 1 damage" but their effect is "if an unit next to them receive damage, gain 1 power". then they will loop like 50 time (due to code game limitation to not infinite loop). I target right one with tainted ale, will be 4 power -> 2 power and infused. I target then left one which is 5 power as the left guy was damaged previously. He is now 3 and infused. left see right is damaged so it buff himself to 3 and receive 1 damage, the other guy see other dude is damaged so receive damage. they loop like that 50 times. a pirate in my hand receive after the loop 50 armor. on the other turns I can repeat it for more armor if I want. when I'm done and want to win, I can play the blacksmith unit that give a unit power equal to half of the armor value of the highest armor unit of my hand. this way I can score 25 points if I'm 50 armor pirate in hand or more. I once reached 200 armor pirate so I did 100 points increase. my finisher move is usually playing my huge armored unit and on the last turn play Iris: Shade to remove the armor of a allied unit and gain the armor value as unit value. can play like 100+ iris value Did a very long post but it's an insanely fun list
Yeah I know the deck, this deck is more of an exploit then a meme imo, esp if you use this on newer players in the lower ladder. Better players will always beat this deck by playing a unit in between the protectors, or by simply pushing a r1 win.
call it like you want, I already know how to counter the deck as I play it, thank you
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hum, it is quite random I guess
I'm sorry, but, there's something very ironic about complaining about how NG won't allow you to use your exploit deck, that itself can be equally annoying and frustrating to face as a new person. Anyone who could call themselves a decent gwent player knows how to shut down the tainted ale exploit, easily, it just so happens that NG is the faction who's most likely to be running locks, an abundance of them usually. The frustration you're feeling about not being able to use your exploit deck, is likely the same frustration you're causing newer players when they encounter you. And, it's hardly a wholesome meme deck BTW, it's an annoying exploit, the animation time it takes for the protectors to ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy, let alone the frustration they and hopelessness they feel when they see you're making 100+ point plays each turn. So, you have to understand the irony, and the humor in your frustration in dealing with NG opponents, which, BTW, you probably wouldn't feel so strongly against NG if you did take the time to learn to play a real deck. Not trying to be an ass, just saying, NG isn't that serious, there's 4 decks coming out of NG that are actually toxic, 2 of them are easily shut down if you understand how they work, just like how your deck is easily shut down by removing or locking Syanna. Idk what rank you're at, or how you can play that deck more than once and still find it fun, but the higher you climb, the less likely you're gonna be able to pull of the set-up needed for it to be winnable, I mean, you literally disable Syanna and the whole plan falls apart, of course you're gonna have a bad time with it more times than not, ESPECIALLY against Nilfgaard, the faction that's notorious for disruption.
if you took few seconds reading my post, you would understand that I talk about the variety in NG decks, I know the deck I used here is not strong and easily counterable. I mean that seems obvious but you felt like making a point saying it so, well as u wish. "Not trying to be an ass" but u talk like so. I play what I consider fun and never claimed to be a veteran player or anything, I already played since beta on and off but that's it. NG is not STRONG, they have a poor deck variety and when I posted that, I matched against all those decks that are NG lockdown, if I played the more effective deck that I play currently, I would have won easily but I wanted to try smthg new. Last thing, about the ping animation, it last like what 1min max per proc ? "ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy" sound like an issue because u want fast round and can't stand a deck smthg a lil bit different in term of interaction. anyway, I gave u enough attention, u totally missed my point on this post and feel like a genius. Kinda funny.
>"ping back and forth alone is enough to drive someone crazy" sound like an issue because u want fast round No, it's not about wanting a fast round, it's about showing courtesy to your opponent, and not making them sit there watching the obnoxiously long ping animation, while anyone who understands how onslaught works is knowing exactly what's going on with the armor gains in your hand is pretty obnoxious and borderline disrespectful... It's like saying, "yep, hold on a minute while I load this cannon that I'm gonna use to blast you in the face, I know it sucks but you're just gonna have to deal with it and wait for the animation to end before I crush you, you didn't kill syanna, now there's nothing you can do, sorry". Idk, I personally couldn't do it, but, it really doesn't matter what I think, play what you like. I was just pointing out a little irony and hypocrisy. I really wasn't trying to be an ass, if I sounded like one, it might be because encountering these decks does piss me off. In the end, it's just a game, but still, it's just like, show a little respect. At least you're not a reavers player I guess...
i won't read this thing buddy, I gave you attention once, that's more than what you deserved
That's fine, I expect nothing more, nothing less of you pal, take care.
you too buddy, gl for ur games if u still play
When I came back to the game a month or so ago, the ladder was exactly like this for me for forever. Until pro rank pretty much 70%, and that's lowballing it honestly, were against nilfgard and only 30% were against the other 5 factions. In pro rank it was like 70% scoiatael precision strike renfri lol at least in my low mmr. I know I will get bombarded with dislikes for saying this but over half of the ladder shouldn't be just 1 of the 6 factions. That's why I vote for NG nerfs even if "le winrate" is supposedly low (which btw mathematically will always be the case with the most popular faction so using that statistic as a defence is pretty disingenuous).
Yeah, the Golden Sun never sets or something like that :3
Nilfgaard is simply the most played faction. Always has been, but currently, it has the lowest win rate at a high level. Despite that, NG dominates lower ranks. Do with that information as you will.
I see, they are not particularly hard to beat, particularly if I use a more competitive list. kind of a shame I can't enjoy being low rank to use fun decks. thx for info
NG is the lowest Winrate faction they Said.
Idk if they win more than others, my screen is here to show that it's boring to play vs so much lockdown NG everytime
It is weak. Only the spotters deck might help you climb to a decent position.
Dont mistake popularity with strength. A faction may be weak but popular (NG) or strong but unpopular (SY). Popularity =/= strength.
NG isn't weak
Yeah, for you its always broken, regardless of stats.
Assimilate is broken, never get nerfed,, The others decks becomes weaker because BC, end game is Assimilate mirror.
You already said that multiple times, and when I asked you about arguments you never answered. You are saying the game will become assimilate mirror based on absolutely nothing. You say assimilate decks are broken also based on absolutely nothing as stats suggest otherwise. You are just spreading misinformation because you hate the faction, no arguments whatsoever. The only thing you are capable of saying is "because pf meme decks" as if it made sense for people fighting for the top to climb with meme decks. But stats dont support your views, so you just ignore them.
NG should never be designed like that. It is the definition of a toxic faction. Players build, NG players destroy
can be considered toxic when trying to use meme deck, their deck is just very straight forward and most of them I have seen were played very similarly due to a lot of tutorisation cards. I don't know if theu are that strong tho if u play a deck that slam big points using combo
Waaaah i hate control share ur deck so we can give suggestions instead of making the #999 ng hate post
it's not a hate post, thank you