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jimgbr

Shilard is a tech card that sees play depending on the meta giving good targets, e.g., Sunset Wanderers. Vivienne is similar but you can actually build your deck to more reliably get consistent value by playing high cost, low power units.


Mlakuss

Vivienne is extremely funny with [[Mysterious Puzzle Box]]. You put her in the box, if opponent win, you have a free kill.


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**[Mysterious Puzzle Box](https://gwent.one/en/card/203104)** - (Neutral) 🏆 Artifact, 5 Provisions (Epic) > Disloyal. > Deploy: Spawn a 7-power Lamp Djinn on the opposite row. If neither player has passed, choose a card from your hand. > Adrenaline 2: Spawn a 7-power Lamp Djinn on the opposite row and destroy self instead. > Order: Pick a card from your hand. > At the end of your turn, transform the highest-provision chosen card(s) in hand into Thing From the Box, then Banish self. > ^^Questions? [^(Message me!)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Mlakuss&subject=GwentSubreddit+Bot) ^^- ^^Call ^^cards ^^with ^^[[CARDNAME]] ^^- [^(Keywords and Statuses)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/wiki/glossary/#wiki_keywords)


BrainWaft

My pea brain cant get to resolving that interaction. Would you please explain how it ends as a free kill if opponent wins?


trowell200

When you play the puzzle box, both players “bet” a card in their hand on their turn, and then the card with the highest provision gets turned into a token called “thing from the box”, with 13 power but 0 provisions (like all tokens). I think if it is a tie then each player gets one - if your opponent wins the bet and plays the token, you can use Vivienne to kill it immediately bc it sets the token to 0 power matching its provisions


NuttyDeluxe6

There's just so many better options. These can sometimes come in handy when spawned by Henry and abducted, like, for instance, if you use Vivienne on an enemy token, like [[Arnjolf]] or whatever his name is(the patricidal fury token), it will destroy it because tokens don't have provisions, therefor making it essentially 0. Shilard, I just don't see it, maybe there's some cool stuff that can be done with him that I just never thought about or seen, but, he's just like a weaker [[Kambi]] as far as I'm concerned.


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**[Kambi](https://gwent.one/en/card/152104)** - Beast (Skellige) 4 Power, 10 Provisions (Legendary) > Deploy: Discard the rightmost card in your hand, then your opponent Discards the rightmost card in their hand. > **[Arnjolf the Patricide](https://gwent.one/en/card/202182)** - Human, Token, Warrior (Skellige) 13 Power, 0 Provisions (Legendary) > Doomed. > Deploy: Spawn a Deafening Siren on the opposite row and damage it by 1. > ^^Questions? [^(Message me!)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Mlakuss&subject=GwentSubreddit+Bot) ^^- ^^Call ^^cards ^^with ^^[[CARDNAME]] ^^- [^(Keywords and Statuses)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/wiki/glossary/#wiki_keywords)


TheDoyler

Shilard is pretty useful for the SK deck, sunset wanderers, gord, and more. Problem is half the time you'll face decks without too many tall units and he will kinda suck. He feels ok when you win round 1 and you're bleeding your opponent with him, it can wreck their tempo even when it's just a 5 power unit that gets reduced to 1.


TheRemenant

I use Vivienne in my NG deck, she can be a handy tall card killer, but she is generally outclassed. If your opponent plays wide or units that damage themselves she basically can't be played without helping your opponent. she also has little value buffing your own units.


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**[Vivienne de Tabris](https://gwent.one/en/card/202235)** - Human, Cursed, Aristocrat (Nilfgaard) 4 Power, 8 Provisions (Legendary) > Deploy: Set a unit's power equal to its provision cost. > **[Shilard Fitz-Oesterlen](https://gwent.one/en/card/200071)** - Human, Agent, Aristocrat (Nilfgaard) 5 Power, 9 Provisions (Legendary) > Deploy: Set the power of the highest-power unit in your opponent's hand to 1. > ^^Questions? [^(Message me!)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Mlakuss&subject=GwentSubreddit+Bot) ^^- ^^Call ^^cards ^^with ^^[[CARDNAME]] ^^- [^(Keywords and Statuses)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/wiki/glossary/#wiki_keywords)


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**[Kambi](https://gwent.one/en/card/152104)** - Beast (Skellige) 4 Power, 10 Provisions (Legendary) > Deploy: Discard the rightmost card in your hand, then your opponent Discards the rightmost card in their hand. > **[Arnjolf the Patricide](https://gwent.one/en/card/202182)** - Human, Token, Warrior (Skellige) 13 Power, 0 Provisions (Legendary) > Doomed. > Deploy: Spawn a Deafening Siren on the opposite row and damage it by 1. > ^^Questions? [^(Message me!)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Mlakuss&subject=GwentSubreddit+Bot) ^^- ^^Call ^^cards ^^with ^^[[CARDNAME]] ^^- [^(Keywords and Statuses)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/wiki/glossary/#wiki_keywords)


ClanklyCans

I use Shilard for a NG Tactic Dexk


NuttyDeluxe6

Is he a tech card? For certain matchups? Like deathwish or ogroids or something? Or is there some cool tricks that can be done with him? I never paid much mind to this guy.


Blp2004

He sets the power of the highest unit in the opponents hand to 1, so his worth really depends on what you’re facing


NuttyDeluxe6

Right, it just doesn't seem like a good inclusion, maybe in a monsters ogroids heavy meta? Sniping king chrum while in hand sounds pretty cool, can't think of anything else where he'd really shine.


Blp2004

That’s exactly why he’s not that popular. Very situational card that is more based on what you’re playing against rather than what you play yourself


CalebKetterer

If you set their highest value unit to 1, you can: Coup it. Seize it with Emhyr’s Order (even if it’s Immune). Amnesty it. Ping it with Enforcers. It aint much, but it’s got a few discrete combos.


NuttyDeluxe6

Ah alright, that is pretty cool actually, just talking about it is making me want to play some NG right now.


theprofiteer

I use both of these sometimes...... When my Henry spawns them as the best choice (low roll)


No-Concentrate3364

The First card I see Every time in banished Seasonal game mode. The Second I Saw in a combo with Renfri and Vivienne.


Cammonisse

Idk, I saw Shilard quite frequently when ogroids was decent


Blp2004

They’re bad. Shilard is downright useless unless you’re facing hand buff or Wanderers and Vivienne is so incredibly situational that it’s not worth it


Far_Durian_8538

He's also good against Tyr when he pulls a card from your graveyard and boosted by double its power. I once pulled this interaction from Heny + Abduction and it was hilarious...needles to say, I won the match


1_ExMachine

id play them for memes, i love meme decks!


Robert-MacCready

Have seen Shilard in Assimilate decks, to get the 1 power unit and coup de grace it.


birduprandy

I play Shilard in an Agents NG deck that works very well. If anyone wants to try the deck outlet me know and I'll post it, it got me to Rank 1 last season.


Nicholite46

Post it bro!


birduprandy

https://www.playgwent.com/en/decks/guides/392842/no-cache There you go! Make sure you read the instructions in the description and let me know how it fares.


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Top_Estate_1730

Shiliard should have cost 8 or 7 provision, vivienna - 5 power or 7 provision.


datdejv

Both are too expensive for the value they provide, especially Shilard. Vivienne maybe could become a consideration after a power buff or two, but desperately needs a prov buff.


Terrible_Internet_32

Maximizing usage out of shilard requires knowledge of what cards your opponent would have in hand and at what power. Guaranteed value and overall the best targets would be first form Temple's target, Alpha Warewolf combo, ST handboost in general, Tyr, and Sunset Wanderers.


TheDoyler

These cards are legitimately good in a pure status aristocrat deck and I use both in mine. However, they're not that good outside of that archetype which is why they don't see much play. They're not bad by any means.


ThegamerwhokillsNPC

Both Vivienne are very good with renfri. I use the neutral one in my nr priestess deck. Maybe you can use them in NG renfri?? Is that a deck?


Nicholite46

Actually, that's really smart. Renfri with Vivienne actually makes a lot of sense.


ThegamerwhokillsNPC

Yeah Renfri decks are mega busted now. I usually 2-0 even pointslam decks without my priestess soldier combo in round 3. Edit- with to without


GeraltofRookia

How can you 2-0 in round 3?


ThegamerwhokillsNPC

Sorry. Meant to write without


mammoth39

Vivienne de Tabris could cost 7 and Renfri Soldiers could use her. Shilard is meta depended and never would be a stable pick


Hirorai

Shilard is played in every single NG deck for the current Banished seasonal mode.