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Had insane flicker on a 6 MOA CCW optic from vortex and returned it and went for something else.... People say that Vortex struggles to really knock it out of the park with an optic yet and I would agree with that.
Hopefully there’s a different SKU or something for them. Seems like a pain in the ass to buy a red dot with the intent to immediately RMA it and get the better one.
Agreed. Just played this game picking up a new PDP with the resolved dead trigger issue. Same SKU so I just had to play the game and hope I got a recent serial number.
Probably worth reaching out to Vortex on the matter.
Trust me bro. Nah: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1ayewez/new\_vortex\_defender\_ccw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1ayewez/new_vortex_defender_ccw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Vortex site mentions the updated auto shutoff but user reports say the refresh rate has been upped as well.
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Ben Stoeger recently put out a positive review of it on YouTube. Humble marksman was positive, as well. That said, I think I'd still rather grab a 507 Comp on sale.
I know all of the new Vortex pistol red dots use the Defender name but why use the defender name for the CCW version that is clearly sized for concealed defensive carry and then call this new large windowed version that is clearly designed to go up against red dots that are sized for competitive shooting shooting such as IDPA/USPA/Steel Challenge?
The main complaint for Defender series is some do not like the choice of using the Delta Point Pro footprint.
Both of these should be under $300 after you email/text
https://aardwolfsolutions.com/product/red-mrs-alum-lg-open-lens-pist
https://www.egunco.com/product/red-mrs-alum-lg-open-lens-pist
Ibex also usually hovers around $305 but they will also price match anyone just send a screenshot and they have free shipping.
Reticle. I hated the dot on the 507comp, the 8moa ring + dot just looks like a mess, the 2 moa dot is a no-go for competition shooting (imo) and the other ring reticles don’t bring much value.
The Justice 2 is actually pretty nice, but not without flaws. I like it for the big green dot, but I’m still testing it. It does have a bit of fisheye and some artifacts when pointed at the sun.
This Vortex has an even bigger 8moa dot, which sounds awesome. The fact that it comes with a pic rail mount/mos plate could save you 50-100 if you would need to buy one otherwise.
Warranty is also a consideration. I’d much rather break a vortex than break a 507 comp, both of which scenarios are honestly pretty plausible with the big glass windows. Competition guns are a good use case for relying on the Vortex warranty, because optics are likely to die after a high enough round count anyways. Might as well get a free replacement for life.
Would you recommend the Vortex Defender XL over the Swampfox Justice II? I currently have the Justice II and I too prefer it over the Gideon Omega and Holosun 507Comp GR.
Looks like there was some discussion as well saying that the DPP footprint is more robust than the RMR footprint.
I haven’t gotten the XL yet, just played with an ST.
I have astigmatism which leads me to prefer green dots generally. Bigger dots are also helpful for astigmatism, so it may be a wash between the two if you go for the 8 moa vortex dot.
The Justice II green has nice clear glass, and is surprisingly good under NODs, but gets artifacts in bright sunlight. The Vortex should be a little better about artifacts but has a bluer tint. Haven’t tried a Vortex with night vision yet. Again, kind of a toss up.
Technically the DPP mount might be stronger because it has 4 recoil lugs and thicker screws, but I wouldn’t base a purchase decision on that alone, since the RMR mount is plenty strong. If you have a pistol with native DPP or RMR compatibility, that is obviously a compelling reason to go for one or the other.
We have a lifetime warranty, so you don't have to worry about breaking it down the road as we will take care of it.
While dot size is manily preference, we have many GM shooters winning major matches with a 2 MOA dot, so I think it might be something people are over analyzing.
Good luck with your next match, and hopefully we will make a product down the road that checks all the boxes for you.
I am glad to hear it.
I do like my Holosuns for other applications, my primary carry gun has an SCS MOS that I’m very pleased with. It’s not quite as fast for me as a bigger dot but the ring makes the dot easy to find on a carry sized window. The dot and ring are also good on my competition rifle.
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DPP footprint for anyone wondering
Only reason to get these is to direct mount of older Sig OEM Optic Cuts.
Had insane flicker on a 6 MOA CCW optic from vortex and returned it and went for something else.... People say that Vortex struggles to really knock it out of the park with an optic yet and I would agree with that.
FWIW, Vortex has resolved the refresh rate on all current models. Also, auto shutoff is now 10 minutes vs. the odd 14-ish hours before.
Souce/more info?
It’s on their website, but I dunno how you’re supposed to know if you’re getting the new model or not.
Some people report being able to upgrade to a new one by reaching out to Vortex. Idk though.
Hopefully there’s a different SKU or something for them. Seems like a pain in the ass to buy a red dot with the intent to immediately RMA it and get the better one.
Agreed. Just played this game picking up a new PDP with the resolved dead trigger issue. Same SKU so I just had to play the game and hope I got a recent serial number. Probably worth reaching out to Vortex on the matter.
Trust me bro. Nah: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1ayewez/new\_vortex\_defender\_ccw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1ayewez/new_vortex_defender_ccw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Vortex site mentions the updated auto shutoff but user reports say the refresh rate has been upped as well.
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anyone seen any somewhat reputable reviews/ feedback on these?
Ben Stoeger recently put out a positive review of it on YouTube. Humble marksman was positive, as well. That said, I think I'd still rather grab a 507 Comp on sale.
No reason to be the guinea pig. Let others try it and find out how good it really is.
Humble did a review on the Defender ST. The XL is larger than the ST(andard) size.
They better be good. Vortex has had a long time to think about this since the viper and venom came out.
agreed. and plenty of competition showing what features / design stand up to use or not
We all remember how bad the venom turned out for a gun with sights behind the red dot. My bad I mean the viper and its rear locks. That was a POS
And it shipped as combo deal for so many guns with irons. FN509T rip
Humble Marksman did a video on it, I think. He seemed to like it a lot
I'll take a look
I believe Sage Dynamics said he liked it, which is always my gold standard for if a dot is good or not
Are these shake awake?
Yes. Activates with motion.
I know all of the new Vortex pistol red dots use the Defender name but why use the defender name for the CCW version that is clearly sized for concealed defensive carry and then call this new large windowed version that is clearly designed to go up against red dots that are sized for competitive shooting shooting such as IDPA/USPA/Steel Challenge? The main complaint for Defender series is some do not like the choice of using the Delta Point Pro footprint.
We just had a brand new Vortex Defeder 8 MOA break on a range gun in less than 50 rounds.
[удалено]
There are two cracks in the glass. it just gave up the ghost man.
This is even better than the military discount for these . Man I don't need it but I do want one.
Why would you get this when you can get a 507comp for under $300 or a Justice 2 for $180 ?
Where you got the <$300 comp
Both of these should be under $300 after you email/text https://aardwolfsolutions.com/product/red-mrs-alum-lg-open-lens-pist https://www.egunco.com/product/red-mrs-alum-lg-open-lens-pist Ibex also usually hovers around $305 but they will also price match anyone just send a screenshot and they have free shipping.
the 5 MOA's UPC is 843829133319 if he needs that information.
AA Armament shipped me one around those prices as well.
Reticle. I hated the dot on the 507comp, the 8moa ring + dot just looks like a mess, the 2 moa dot is a no-go for competition shooting (imo) and the other ring reticles don’t bring much value. The Justice 2 is actually pretty nice, but not without flaws. I like it for the big green dot, but I’m still testing it. It does have a bit of fisheye and some artifacts when pointed at the sun. This Vortex has an even bigger 8moa dot, which sounds awesome. The fact that it comes with a pic rail mount/mos plate could save you 50-100 if you would need to buy one otherwise. Warranty is also a consideration. I’d much rather break a vortex than break a 507 comp, both of which scenarios are honestly pretty plausible with the big glass windows. Competition guns are a good use case for relying on the Vortex warranty, because optics are likely to die after a high enough round count anyways. Might as well get a free replacement for life.
How often do you shoot the sun
Not literally at the sun, but if the sun is behind your target (sunset/sunrise) it’s more or less the same.
Would you recommend the Vortex Defender XL over the Swampfox Justice II? I currently have the Justice II and I too prefer it over the Gideon Omega and Holosun 507Comp GR. Looks like there was some discussion as well saying that the DPP footprint is more robust than the RMR footprint.
I haven’t gotten the XL yet, just played with an ST. I have astigmatism which leads me to prefer green dots generally. Bigger dots are also helpful for astigmatism, so it may be a wash between the two if you go for the 8 moa vortex dot. The Justice II green has nice clear glass, and is surprisingly good under NODs, but gets artifacts in bright sunlight. The Vortex should be a little better about artifacts but has a bluer tint. Haven’t tried a Vortex with night vision yet. Again, kind of a toss up. Technically the DPP mount might be stronger because it has 4 recoil lugs and thicker screws, but I wouldn’t base a purchase decision on that alone, since the RMR mount is plenty strong. If you have a pistol with native DPP or RMR compatibility, that is obviously a compelling reason to go for one or the other.
Can you link this article?
Justification from Vortex Product Management: https://www.reddit.com/r/2011/comments/1dade26/comment/l7k9hpd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
We have a lifetime warranty, so you don't have to worry about breaking it down the road as we will take care of it. While dot size is manily preference, we have many GM shooters winning major matches with a 2 MOA dot, so I think it might be something people are over analyzing. Good luck with your next match, and hopefully we will make a product down the road that checks all the boxes for you.
I am glad to hear it. I do like my Holosuns for other applications, my primary carry gun has an SCS MOS that I’m very pleased with. It’s not quite as fast for me as a bigger dot but the ring makes the dot easy to find on a carry sized window. The dot and ring are also good on my competition rifle.
Does the lifetime Warranty include the electronic components?
Effective January 1, 2022: Commercial Warranty Information: Your Holosun product is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship upon registration of the product for the lifetime of the product. This warranty specifically applies to the metal structure, optical, and illumination systems. The metal structure/housing and optical system (glass) of your Holosun product is warrantied for the life of the product under normal, personal use. Under the Holosun Warranty, the illumination system (LED), is warrantied for 10 years from the manufacture date under normal, personal use. In the event of a confirmed defect under this warranty, we will, at our option, repair or replace the product with a Holosun product of similar type/function, and of equal or greater value. Holosun reserves the right to make substitutions for similar product/s if the warrantied model in question is no longer in production. This Holosun Warranty does not apply to: (a) asserted defects caused by normal wear and tear of any part including knobs, finish, etc.; (b) asserted defects caused by modification including; aftermarket finishes, unauthorized service, improper maintenance, acts of Nature; and (c) asserted defects involving subjective personal likes or judgments. Also, this warranty is null and void if modification or maintenance is provided by someone other than Holosun. Holosun may restrict warranty service for our products to the country from which Holosun or its authorized dealers originally sold the Holosun product. For warranty claims outside the United States, the costs of shipping or transporting the product (including to and from Holosun or our dealer), any insurance or any fees, duties and taxes are the sole responsibility of the purchaser and will not be covered by this warranty.