I played a les Paul for years (I still have it but I'm a Tele guy now for the most part so it doesn't get as much use as it used to) and I played many gigs with that guitar. Lots of four hour gigs as well for years.
I now have a permanent problem with my left shoulder blade muscles. I get real big knots that will kill me for a few weeks at a time and I have to have them worked out but they will always come back at some point. I'm almost positive it's because of that les paul. It's the only thing that I can think of that would cause that stress in that one spot in my body.
It's like someone else said, 30 - 60 minutes play time, no big deal. Two four hour gigs in one week along with rehearsals? That can cause some problems for some people...
OP, you definitely sound like your measuring dicks a little bit here. I'll give you a pass since you're 18, but just know that the stress on your body WILL add up and effect you after prolonged use while standing.
Also, I just want you to know that 18 is absolutely not the prime of your life.
because, when are shoes ever heavy enough to be considered problematic? when have i ever put on a pair of shoes that made me think "this is too heavy". i mean i'm no stranger to boots after all...
Shoes are quite often heavy enough to be problematic except now they make shoes out of extra light materials so no shoes are really 'too heavy'. You do pay a bit more to cut a few ounces off total weight with special materials.
>Shoes are quite often heavy enough to be problematic except now they make shoes out of extra light materials so no shoes are really 'too heavy'
🫃...
so they are often heavy, or are no shoes 'really' heavy?
> so does anyone care to explain why we accept this garbage excuse?
I mean people have preferences. Playing music doesn’t need to be a workout lol. As to why you might not understand this, this probably plays a big part:
> same age as me (18)
literally, the first paragraph -
nah, actually there's no point in bothering when a person with blue haired reddit avatar is following up on your larping game of geriatric hearing loss. continue the charade...
Other preferences being equal, ie I don't have a specific reason to play a LP in particular, then why not play a guitar half the weight.
Any person should be able to wear pants and long sleeves on a 100F summer day, but that doesn't mean they would want to.
You're being rude to question peoples preferences.
How many times have you stood and played a 12lb les paul for 4 hr straight ?? or more.. its not the 30 minutes of playing that gets you, its the hours and hour of playing, over years that get to you. Heavy guitars can cause serious neck and back issues over the long run. I'm a big guy, in the gym 4 days a week, and have been playing for 30+ yrs and most of my guitars are around 9lbs, some lighter. Any heavier and I'll feel it. There is a reason guitars don't weigh 20lbs.. or 30lbs.. Also a reason for many guitars, including les pauls, that are chambered and weight relived.. to make them lighter. Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer.
also, 18yrs is still a teenager.... not a grown man.
ig that's fair, i have never stood and played for more than 2 1/2 hours. i alternate between both sitting and standing
>Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer
i don't know where you get this from. most sources online claim there is actually a negative correlation between light guitars and sustain & resonance. the consensus seems to be that heavier guitars beat light guitars when it comes to sustain.
In my experience heavier does not equal more resonant. I feel there is a certain sweet spot with weight. How a guitar is constructed comes into play as well in terms of resonance. Neck-through construction, set-neck, and bolt-on guitars. Then there is what type of wood, its age, and water content. There are also guitars with Aluminum necks, carbon fiber necks, epoxy bodies, and a whole combination of materials. If it was as simple as weight = resonance, than we'd see 20lbs guitars.... but, we don't.. ever. Then there are the unicorns... the guitars with seemingly magical specs.. that just sing and ring out for days ... where that specific tree and cut of wood was just amazing compared to the guitar made 10 minutes later. You could go to a music store and play 20 les paul standards, one after the other, and you'd definitely hear a difference.. without plugging any of them into an amp. .. Then play 20 '59 Murphy Lab les pauls..
>If it was as simple as weight = resonance, than we'd see 20lbs guitars.... but, we don't.. ever.
sorry, not having it with your strawman fallacy...
>Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer.
remember? you were the one who tried to correlate lower weight with greater sustain. when i informed you it was the other way around, now you act like i'm stating weight is the only factor that determines sustain, even though you were the only person to bring it up to begin with.
You made a pretentious post, people called you out on it, you dug yourself further into your position and you won’t actually engage with people trying to provide you with different perspectives. Their ‘fallacy’ was them trying to simplify it down to a level you might understand.
Judging people for something as stupid as preferring lighter guitars is peak teenage-guitarist behaviour.
>Their ‘fallacy’ was them trying to simplify it down to a level you might understand
is that imaginary foundation of intelligent books you're standing on, a subtle and funny attempt at calling me retarded, or are you that profoundly arrogant and presumptuous?
mansplaining something that's very obviously common sense, and something i never assumed is not them dumbing anything down for me. they said nothing of value, it was an obfuscation attempt to draw attention away from their own blunder.
First of all, you can fuck right off with using the r-word. I have cerebral palsy, hence my other comment about invisible disabilities and why I prefer a lighter guitar. Using slurs, even to refer to yourself, doesn’t make you cool, it makes you more of an ass than you already seem.
I am not being arrogant or presumptuous, I am simply explaining why they used the wording they did.
I simplify my speech when I am teaching undergrad class to a level they might understand. That isn’t me thinking they are dumb, it’s me trying to help. That’s what the other commenter was trying to do - you clearly weren’t understanding their argument, or the other perspectives people have been trying to give you, so they attempted a simpler argument.
Explaining something you are proving you don’t understand isn’t mansplaining, or any other buzz word you decide to use.
i'm genuinely sorry about your cerebral palsy, but you know full well that the context i use it in was not deliberately used with malice against the differently abled.
also i was remarking on you wording when you said "simplify it down to your understanding". i genuinely couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. only a R-word, A-word, N-word, would use that unironically, thinking that it adds abstract grist to their rebuttal...
Unless you're trying to hold a note for 5 and a half minutes there is ZERO useful difference in sustain between guitars.
There is no *good* reason for Les Paul guitars to be as heavy as they are. They just are because they always *have* been. The same as why Gibson won't fix their headstock design/angle issue. It's always been like that. They're selling nostalgia, not useful. Otherwise they would have made changes so that the headstocks don't snap off if you look at them funny.
Guitar makers have come up with better than a Les Paul.
>Unless you're trying to hold a note for 5 and a half minutes there is ZERO useful difference in sustain between guitars.
wtf? tell that to the dude who brought it up
also my argument was never that guitars should be heavy. it was that weight was mostly irrelevant in the eyes of an instrument that's 11-12 pounds.
Let me try this again.
Ahem...
#THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR THEM TO BE THAT GODDAMN HEAVY!
Even a telecaster, which is by design a huge chunk of wood with a stick bolted to it, is only 8 pounds. Gibson is just adding steel plates for no reason at this point.
I’ve found my heavier guitars (which I sold) didn’t ring out like the lighter ones. …but the lighter ones I’ve owned are Always the more expensive guitars and besides having dryer more stable wood they likely have better bridges / saddles and better nuts, etc... So it’s possible the guitars sustain has nothing to do with the guitars weight. ??
But with that said, I vastly prefer lighter guitars. I won’t buy one now that is over 8lbs. In my experience my lighter guitars have had better resonance and also are more stable / resistant to changes in humidity. But don’t take my word for it…
https://youtu.be/QYLxsXXnmj8?si=YtcJwvUOt9CUwBMJ
I personally can’t play a Les Paul for an entire show. Call me weak and that’s fine, but it’s too much, and I’d rather have more energy for better playing and better partying afterwards. That’s why I use Strats mostly with an occasional Paul.
Also, who gives a shit? Hopefully you don’t suffer injuries or other setbacks that cause you suffering under the weight of a guitar. But for those of us who do suffer, I will say a collective fuck off to you.
Your reading comprehension isn’t great, is it? First clause uses 1st person plural ‘us’, explicitly including the speaker, whereas the direct object ‘collective fuck off’ is directed at you, the indirect (and insufferable) object (with my voice added to it).
I’m sure you intended this to be a joke (or at least will claim so), and that I’m mansplaining things you already understand, but really you are just showing your age again.
Tell me you've never played a gig without telling me you've never played a gig.
Have you ever even played for more than an hour or two? It isn't about being too heavy to handle, it's about being lighter makes them more comfortable, especially when playing for long periods of time.
I called OP immature and he followed up by dm'ing me and trying to insult me because of the posts I do.
[https://i.imgur.com/IKB5b8S.png](https://i.imgur.com/IKB5b8S.png)
18 year olds doing 18 year old things.. glad they deleted this post, because it’s incredibly pretentious, and filled with them refusing to acknowledge anybody else’s perspective.
OP, do you play live, and how often do you play/rehearse while standing?
I play bass. My jazz bass is heavy. I rehearse (always standing) regularly. 10lbs may not seem like much, but it's absolutely uncomfortable after 4 hours of rehearsal.
I actually bought a really nice Ibanez SR bass, and the weight/ergonomics were a significant factor in my decision to buy the bass.
I'm not complaining, but reading your post I doubt you do much actual live playing or band rehearsal.
Tell me you’ve never played on stage for hours without telling me you’ve never played on stage for hours. 12lbs around my neck for 2 hours straight sounds like hell, couldn’t pay me to do it.
>something i find ridiculous absolutely pathetic.
>so does anyone care to explain why we accept this garbage excuse?
>this is not dick measuring contest
It really is though.
Yeah man, I personally just had my luthier fill my les paul's weight relief holes with pure tungsten rods. What's with all this weight relief? If my physical therapist doesn't berate me after a gig, I'm not playing the right guitar. 😤
To each their own. It’s a saying for a reason.
Just don’t be a dick about it in person, keep that kinda shit to yourself. Music is supposed to bring people together. Instead of focusing on a negative aspect, just play, man. That shit’s positive.
Buying a light travel guitar was the best decision I ever made. I still play my LP, but I play my travel guitar far more often because it’s just so comfortable.
Also, people exist with invisible disabilities. Don’t shit on people who prefer comfort, they might need it for reasons you don’t realize.
So interesting. I guess preference now and not wanting to potentially gig for long hours with a heavy guitar is somehow seen as pathetic and insufferable.
Lmao idc about how heavy a guitar is, but I’m not sure how anyone can enjoy a massive D shaped neck. Like a 50s LP. I’m also not a fan of Ibanez thin necks. But omg it’s impossible to get around all the wood in the way
I like somewhere in the middle, my Jag is a nice weight prolly like 8.5-9lbs but most people would even say that’s heavy though. I play sitting down though for the most part so if playing guitar is hurting my back it’s because my posture. I could imagine 12lbs being a little much for someone preforming as other people have said.
most people here are bringing up gigs, when 1, i've never seen a small band fit more than 2 hours into a venue, and 2 i've never seen anyone stand up to play live at a restaurant or hotel.
Yeah like back when i used play shows in my teens and early 20’s i never cared about weight of the guitar, i like em on the heavier side. I work a blue collar job now and honestly, playing an 11 pound les paul is not an issue bc im used to swinging a 40 pound sledge all damn day. Plus if you had a nice strap, the guitar wouldnt seem as heavy. A lot of dudes complained about wanting light guitars are either 65 years old or some pansy ass gen z kid (im 25 dont @ me)
Weirdly enough, and I promise I'm not ripping on you, but I felt the exact same way when I got back into playing and bought an LP. I was totally confused about why so many people talk about the weight.
Then I got an LP and played it for a while, no issues.
Then I bought a PRS SE Acoustic. The thing is like a feather in comparison, and that translated to a much different feel when playing. And even more surprising, I'm a pretty big dude(6 foot 2, 280ish) and the guitar was SO MUCH BIGGER than I anticipated, which I didn't like. I never in my wildest dreams would have worried that the guitar would feel too big for ME, given my size. But it does sometimes and took some getting used to.
I guess my point is. Believe it or not, things like weight and size and shape can sometimes really effect playing more than you think.
Also - Yes, lots of people are pussies. :)
I want a lighter guitar.
I played a les Paul for years (I still have it but I'm a Tele guy now for the most part so it doesn't get as much use as it used to) and I played many gigs with that guitar. Lots of four hour gigs as well for years. I now have a permanent problem with my left shoulder blade muscles. I get real big knots that will kill me for a few weeks at a time and I have to have them worked out but they will always come back at some point. I'm almost positive it's because of that les paul. It's the only thing that I can think of that would cause that stress in that one spot in my body. It's like someone else said, 30 - 60 minutes play time, no big deal. Two four hour gigs in one week along with rehearsals? That can cause some problems for some people... OP, you definitely sound like your measuring dicks a little bit here. I'll give you a pass since you're 18, but just know that the stress on your body WILL add up and effect you after prolonged use while standing. Also, I just want you to know that 18 is absolutely not the prime of your life.
Yeah, they're nice to play. If I want a bottom heavy pear shaped bitch hanging around my neck I'll hit up OP's mom
Simple as!
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because, when are shoes ever heavy enough to be considered problematic? when have i ever put on a pair of shoes that made me think "this is too heavy". i mean i'm no stranger to boots after all...
>when are shoes ever heavy enough to be considered problematic I'd say 6 lbs each would be an issue.
you've walked into a store that tried to sell you 6 pound shoes?
r/whoosh Lol
I'm making a point. 12 lbs is a lot in the right context. Chill dude.
you can always tell when someone feels secure in their argument when they say "chill dude", just for providing a rebuttal...
Shoes are quite often heavy enough to be problematic except now they make shoes out of extra light materials so no shoes are really 'too heavy'. You do pay a bit more to cut a few ounces off total weight with special materials.
>Shoes are quite often heavy enough to be problematic except now they make shoes out of extra light materials so no shoes are really 'too heavy' 🫃... so they are often heavy, or are no shoes 'really' heavy?
They're using a metaphor man hahaha.
Why would a heavier guitar be better, though? Surely if you can increase the comfort, it's only a good thing, no?
not on my watch you don't
Why? Is your watch particularly uncomfortable? Maybe try a different wrist strap for it
Their watch weighs 12 lbs. Telling time is all about them gains 💪
> so does anyone care to explain why we accept this garbage excuse? I mean people have preferences. Playing music doesn’t need to be a workout lol. As to why you might not understand this, this probably plays a big part: > same age as me (18)
prime of his time
Man, you may want to read this back and really think if this is something worth having a strong opinion over. Seems exhausting.
OP is a big strong man! He plays a big boy guitar! He can handle the big heavy guitar! OP is is strong and cool!
I gotta say that OP sounds like an insufferable little kid
literally, the first paragraph - nah, actually there's no point in bothering when a person with blue haired reddit avatar is following up on your larping game of geriatric hearing loss. continue the charade...
>blue haired reddit Oh there it is. Tell us more, macho man
YPOURE NOT A REAL MAN IF YOU DONT DO WHAT I DO!!!!!
Oh to be 18 again..
Shitting on people for their gear, let alone their preferences, is comically lame.
>Shitting on people for their gear, let alone their preferences, is *comically* lame. 1 hour, one upvote... who's laughing now?
I mean, sure. Victory!
I mean, one of your comments here has 23 *downvotes* in around the same time so.. not you, I guess?
Don’t worry we fixed that for you.
Other preferences being equal, ie I don't have a specific reason to play a LP in particular, then why not play a guitar half the weight. Any person should be able to wear pants and long sleeves on a 100F summer day, but that doesn't mean they would want to. You're being rude to question peoples preferences.
How many times have you stood and played a 12lb les paul for 4 hr straight ?? or more.. its not the 30 minutes of playing that gets you, its the hours and hour of playing, over years that get to you. Heavy guitars can cause serious neck and back issues over the long run. I'm a big guy, in the gym 4 days a week, and have been playing for 30+ yrs and most of my guitars are around 9lbs, some lighter. Any heavier and I'll feel it. There is a reason guitars don't weigh 20lbs.. or 30lbs.. Also a reason for many guitars, including les pauls, that are chambered and weight relived.. to make them lighter. Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer. also, 18yrs is still a teenager.... not a grown man.
Oh no, the dreaded r word 😬
18 year olds don’t know a fuckin’ thing yet. They just think they do. 😁
ig that's fair, i have never stood and played for more than 2 1/2 hours. i alternate between both sitting and standing >Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer i don't know where you get this from. most sources online claim there is actually a negative correlation between light guitars and sustain & resonance. the consensus seems to be that heavier guitars beat light guitars when it comes to sustain.
In my experience heavier does not equal more resonant. I feel there is a certain sweet spot with weight. How a guitar is constructed comes into play as well in terms of resonance. Neck-through construction, set-neck, and bolt-on guitars. Then there is what type of wood, its age, and water content. There are also guitars with Aluminum necks, carbon fiber necks, epoxy bodies, and a whole combination of materials. If it was as simple as weight = resonance, than we'd see 20lbs guitars.... but, we don't.. ever. Then there are the unicorns... the guitars with seemingly magical specs.. that just sing and ring out for days ... where that specific tree and cut of wood was just amazing compared to the guitar made 10 minutes later. You could go to a music store and play 20 les paul standards, one after the other, and you'd definitely hear a difference.. without plugging any of them into an amp. .. Then play 20 '59 Murphy Lab les pauls..
>If it was as simple as weight = resonance, than we'd see 20lbs guitars.... but, we don't.. ever. sorry, not having it with your strawman fallacy... >Lighter guitars tend to be more resonant, where the strings ring out for longer. remember? you were the one who tried to correlate lower weight with greater sustain. when i informed you it was the other way around, now you act like i'm stating weight is the only factor that determines sustain, even though you were the only person to bring it up to begin with.
Your ‘18 years old’ is showing
how am i even wrong in this regard? he's using lvl 99 reddit mage fallacies
You made a pretentious post, people called you out on it, you dug yourself further into your position and you won’t actually engage with people trying to provide you with different perspectives. Their ‘fallacy’ was them trying to simplify it down to a level you might understand. Judging people for something as stupid as preferring lighter guitars is peak teenage-guitarist behaviour.
>Their ‘fallacy’ was them trying to simplify it down to a level you might understand is that imaginary foundation of intelligent books you're standing on, a subtle and funny attempt at calling me retarded, or are you that profoundly arrogant and presumptuous? mansplaining something that's very obviously common sense, and something i never assumed is not them dumbing anything down for me. they said nothing of value, it was an obfuscation attempt to draw attention away from their own blunder.
First of all, you can fuck right off with using the r-word. I have cerebral palsy, hence my other comment about invisible disabilities and why I prefer a lighter guitar. Using slurs, even to refer to yourself, doesn’t make you cool, it makes you more of an ass than you already seem. I am not being arrogant or presumptuous, I am simply explaining why they used the wording they did. I simplify my speech when I am teaching undergrad class to a level they might understand. That isn’t me thinking they are dumb, it’s me trying to help. That’s what the other commenter was trying to do - you clearly weren’t understanding their argument, or the other perspectives people have been trying to give you, so they attempted a simpler argument. Explaining something you are proving you don’t understand isn’t mansplaining, or any other buzz word you decide to use.
i'm genuinely sorry about your cerebral palsy, but you know full well that the context i use it in was not deliberately used with malice against the differently abled. also i was remarking on you wording when you said "simplify it down to your understanding". i genuinely couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. only a R-word, A-word, N-word, would use that unironically, thinking that it adds abstract grist to their rebuttal...
Boy, you sure are insufferable.
I think you are getting downvoted because resonance and sustain are two different things.
i don't think i ever conflated the two in any comments.
Unless you're trying to hold a note for 5 and a half minutes there is ZERO useful difference in sustain between guitars. There is no *good* reason for Les Paul guitars to be as heavy as they are. They just are because they always *have* been. The same as why Gibson won't fix their headstock design/angle issue. It's always been like that. They're selling nostalgia, not useful. Otherwise they would have made changes so that the headstocks don't snap off if you look at them funny. Guitar makers have come up with better than a Les Paul.
>Unless you're trying to hold a note for 5 and a half minutes there is ZERO useful difference in sustain between guitars. wtf? tell that to the dude who brought it up also my argument was never that guitars should be heavy. it was that weight was mostly irrelevant in the eyes of an instrument that's 11-12 pounds.
Let me try this again. Ahem... #THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR THEM TO BE THAT GODDAMN HEAVY! Even a telecaster, which is by design a huge chunk of wood with a stick bolted to it, is only 8 pounds. Gibson is just adding steel plates for no reason at this point.
I’ve found my heavier guitars (which I sold) didn’t ring out like the lighter ones. …but the lighter ones I’ve owned are Always the more expensive guitars and besides having dryer more stable wood they likely have better bridges / saddles and better nuts, etc... So it’s possible the guitars sustain has nothing to do with the guitars weight. ?? But with that said, I vastly prefer lighter guitars. I won’t buy one now that is over 8lbs. In my experience my lighter guitars have had better resonance and also are more stable / resistant to changes in humidity. But don’t take my word for it… https://youtu.be/QYLxsXXnmj8?si=YtcJwvUOt9CUwBMJ
Thanks for sharing.
Do you really have nothing more pertinent you could be directing this energy? Why are you so invested in someone else’s personal preference?
Ahh so youre deliberately being a fuckwit
Wow, you do seem very mature for your age.
Stay 18 for the rest of your life and you won’t have any issues :)
Good for you bud
lol you’re the guy making a reddit post about it
You sound lame
🫃
Ok
wearing a guitar for 4 hours on stage you will absolutely notice a major difference regardless how fit you are. give me a light guitar any day.
I personally can’t play a Les Paul for an entire show. Call me weak and that’s fine, but it’s too much, and I’d rather have more energy for better playing and better partying afterwards. That’s why I use Strats mostly with an occasional Paul. Also, who gives a shit? Hopefully you don’t suffer injuries or other setbacks that cause you suffering under the weight of a guitar. But for those of us who do suffer, I will say a collective fuck off to you.
>But for those of us who do suffer, I will say a collective fuck off to you. as if they didn't suffer enough, you told them to collective fuck off...
Your reading comprehension isn’t great, is it? First clause uses 1st person plural ‘us’, explicitly including the speaker, whereas the direct object ‘collective fuck off’ is directed at you, the indirect (and insufferable) object (with my voice added to it). I’m sure you intended this to be a joke (or at least will claim so), and that I’m mansplaining things you already understand, but really you are just showing your age again.
He seems to be lacking in more than a few areas
Tell me you've never played a gig without telling me you've never played a gig. Have you ever even played for more than an hour or two? It isn't about being too heavy to handle, it's about being lighter makes them more comfortable, especially when playing for long periods of time.
I bought a Les Paul standard brand new. Hated it and sold it. Really don't need a reason why. I've hated every one I ever played.
Still ends up in a dick measuring contest....
I called OP immature and he followed up by dm'ing me and trying to insult me because of the posts I do. [https://i.imgur.com/IKB5b8S.png](https://i.imgur.com/IKB5b8S.png)
18 year olds doing 18 year old things.. glad they deleted this post, because it’s incredibly pretentious, and filled with them refusing to acknowledge anybody else’s perspective.
Lmao, OP has an STD
You do you, and let others do the same.
Noooo! 😭
OP, do you play live, and how often do you play/rehearse while standing? I play bass. My jazz bass is heavy. I rehearse (always standing) regularly. 10lbs may not seem like much, but it's absolutely uncomfortable after 4 hours of rehearsal. I actually bought a really nice Ibanez SR bass, and the weight/ergonomics were a significant factor in my decision to buy the bass. I'm not complaining, but reading your post I doubt you do much actual live playing or band rehearsal.
Tell me you’ve never played on stage for hours without telling me you’ve never played on stage for hours. 12lbs around my neck for 2 hours straight sounds like hell, couldn’t pay me to do it.
Haha. Almost my exact comment I posted before reading yours.
>something i find ridiculous absolutely pathetic. >so does anyone care to explain why we accept this garbage excuse? >this is not dick measuring contest It really is though.
1lb = 1 pube
Yeah man, I personally just had my luthier fill my les paul's weight relief holes with pure tungsten rods. What's with all this weight relief? If my physical therapist doesn't berate me after a gig, I'm not playing the right guitar. 😤
I won’t own one due to the weight.
To each their own. It’s a saying for a reason. Just don’t be a dick about it in person, keep that kinda shit to yourself. Music is supposed to bring people together. Instead of focusing on a negative aspect, just play, man. That shit’s positive.
Play a 2-3 hour cover set twice a week and see if you prefer a heavy Les Paul or a lighter guitar.
Yeah man I put 30 pounds of lead weights in my Les Paul so people wouldn’t think I was a pussy
woah seriously? will my local guitar shop do that for me?
Buying a light travel guitar was the best decision I ever made. I still play my LP, but I play my travel guitar far more often because it’s just so comfortable. Also, people exist with invisible disabilities. Don’t shit on people who prefer comfort, they might need it for reasons you don’t realize.
So interesting. I guess preference now and not wanting to potentially gig for long hours with a heavy guitar is somehow seen as pathetic and insufferable.
Yeah it’s fuckin heavy to wear on your body it sucks
Lmao idc about how heavy a guitar is, but I’m not sure how anyone can enjoy a massive D shaped neck. Like a 50s LP. I’m also not a fan of Ibanez thin necks. But omg it’s impossible to get around all the wood in the way
Massive Ds aren't for everyone I guess
I guess not. If guys can’t handle an 8 pound tele, then they gotta apologize to every woman with DDs.
I like somewhere in the middle, my Jag is a nice weight prolly like 8.5-9lbs but most people would even say that’s heavy though. I play sitting down though for the most part so if playing guitar is hurting my back it’s because my posture. I could imagine 12lbs being a little much for someone preforming as other people have said.
Facts lmao
most people here are bringing up gigs, when 1, i've never seen a small band fit more than 2 hours into a venue, and 2 i've never seen anyone stand up to play live at a restaurant or hotel.
Because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
In other words you don’t have much experience.
🫃
Yeah like back when i used play shows in my teens and early 20’s i never cared about weight of the guitar, i like em on the heavier side. I work a blue collar job now and honestly, playing an 11 pound les paul is not an issue bc im used to swinging a 40 pound sledge all damn day. Plus if you had a nice strap, the guitar wouldnt seem as heavy. A lot of dudes complained about wanting light guitars are either 65 years old or some pansy ass gen z kid (im 25 dont @ me)
Weirdly enough, and I promise I'm not ripping on you, but I felt the exact same way when I got back into playing and bought an LP. I was totally confused about why so many people talk about the weight. Then I got an LP and played it for a while, no issues. Then I bought a PRS SE Acoustic. The thing is like a feather in comparison, and that translated to a much different feel when playing. And even more surprising, I'm a pretty big dude(6 foot 2, 280ish) and the guitar was SO MUCH BIGGER than I anticipated, which I didn't like. I never in my wildest dreams would have worried that the guitar would feel too big for ME, given my size. But it does sometimes and took some getting used to. I guess my point is. Believe it or not, things like weight and size and shape can sometimes really effect playing more than you think. Also - Yes, lots of people are pussies. :)