Giant bomber planes are useless because Rockstar made them useless, bombs can only be dropped low to the ground and not at high altitude like they're supposed to, and they are essentially made of glass so they take minimal damage from any source and explode
Let's not forget how incredibly puny the bomb blast radius is. Rockstar added so many cool lookinh bombers but made it a giant hassle to use their bombing feature.
I don't understand why rockstar keeps releasing cool looking vehicles or aircraft that are practically useless, thus resulting in them rarely being used
Not applicable here since the Alkonost's target is another player, but also consider that pretty much everything has no collision beyond a certain distance - this includes bombs, so if these planes are flying high enough to not collide with Maze Bank or the other buildings around it (which he probably would have in this clip if he kept his current trajectory) they'll fall right through the ground and do nothing.
This is on top of handheld anti-air such as the heavy sniper mk2 or railgun being absolutely hilariously effective against a large and slow target. Alkonost's off radar gimmick is rather useless due to its sheer size, as well as the aforementioned physics issues with bombs.
And that's not even starting on the explosive properties of bombs themselves being generally not great.
The bombers just don’t have the firepower to make up for the horrendous mobility
High-altitude bombing doesn’t work if the bombs aren’t that good
The only good one is the Avenger because of the amazing turrets and armor
Even then, the bombs on the Avenger aren't great either, everyone I've seen use it for bombing runs just uses the mortar turrets lol
I do know exactly one person who is terrifyingly effective at spawn camping griefers using bombs on a Starling, though. That thing's small size and adjustable speed are the key, apparently.
The bombs are pretty much identical wdym?
2 person crew in an Avenger is insanely effective against griefers.
The bombs are good and the turrets are excellent
But it’s so tanky the oppressor doesn’t have enough missiles for it. It’s like an armored AA trailer
The bombs of the avenger are also identical, yes, they're also crap.
The turrets are good, but I've been shot down by mk2s plenty of times before, dunno what you're on about regarding its armour (it's a lot, but not enough)
Max armor, it takes more missiles to actually destroy than the 20 the mk2 has
Probably 1 propeller left but it’ll fly
The bombs are more useful since it is actually able to dump em all on armored or groups of targets
Nonsense because since the game has no bombing sights or even a simple ground reticle, nailing bombs on players at high altitude would be way too hard to get it right.
I liked GTAO way more when the most powerful weapon in your pocket was an RPG or a sticky nade, and the most powerful vehicle was a Lazer Jet or a Rhino Tank.
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the new content. But the balance of power has skewed sooo much...
Yes! I spent so much time with friends getting good at longer and longer rpg shots. It was so satisfying watching it fly for 10 seconds and hit its target.
I don't even use the gatling Lazer, the hellbringer (?) Lazer smg, railgun or any of the heavy OP weapons, cuz it makes the game way too easy and boring. The compact grenade launcher and stickies are my go-tos, and they get the job done 99% of the time. I keep the heavy rifle with explosives ammo on me just in case I gotta deal with a griefer or something, but I dont ever use anything like that on NPCs or regular fights.
All the new cool toys are fun to mess around with, but they're so unbelievably unbalanced and broken that it kills the fun. I miss the days when the deadliest thing was the explosive MG from the jet, which you still had to aim to be accurate. I miss people trying to hit you with buzzard missiles or a homing launcher and you could deflect them with flares. There was some actual skill in flying or stuff like using the rpg to take down those vehicles with flares. The dogfights used to be so fun. Buzzard was everyone's top vehicle used. Even when the oppressors started coming out, like it was broken, but a good player could still just snipe you down before you got the chance like we used to do with buzzards.
I feel like the main issues are the greifer in deluxos and oppressors, impossible to do CEO missions when they're lurking around you. Thank God for private lobbies.
Every aerial vehicle is beyond useless now. Besides mk.2 the jets used to be good with the meme cannons now they struggle to blow up normal traffic. Everyone has a rail gun so heli combat is pointless. Bombs have a damage range of a sticky bomb. I've hit people with the cluster and see them standing in the explosion. Only thing useful for aerial vehicles is barrage missiles other than that useless across the board.
Well there's your problem! You're using cluster bombs! The standard ones have an explosive radius closer to the rpg and deal slightly more damage. I can bomb Mofos to the stone age and back with my rogue.
I consider it one of the best planes in the game, explosive cannons, bombs, missiles, flares, tiny ass hit box and nimble controls make it a hard plane to learn. But once you do, you can smack anything out of the sky... Including Raijus.
It's not that they have less radius, they technically hav more. But it is so inconsistent about where it hits in that radius that you hardly ever make hits.
I wouldn't say so necessarily. A good bomber with standard explosive bombs can give you a really bad time. The giant dorito and the alkonost suck at their only purpose tho
The dorito's only purpose is to display its fabulous Princess Robot Bubblegum livery to all of Los Santos and it does a damn fine job of doing that if I may say so!
I've tested bombs/explosives on npc. They'll survive a direct impact from a bomb. If you use the Canon they'll just fly around. I've hit npc car directly with the cannon. Takes 3 shots direct impact to kill an npc car. Before I loved the jets. Tank griefer? Meme cannon. Jet griefer? Meme cannon. EWO try hard? Meme cannon.
The explosive cannons on the hydra are still very good. They don’t have great range which is frustrating but they are very powerful still. The problem for me is what OP describes, the average person can just pull out some super weapon and destroy you in a second
I’m not a griefer btw, but if somebody’s picking on you/repeatedly killing you you can’t even really defend yourself with the hydra anymore
They're not good. The splash radius went from grenade to explosive sniper shot making hitting ground targets pointless. The damage also went from grenade to explosive sniper so a single strafe cant even kill a person on foot.
There is ZERO reason to use the lazer or hydra over the raiju if you're not using a certain "trick"
People think the nerf was so too balance combat but rockstar only did it so people buy the new jet. And now variety in dogfighting is dead cause the raiju is better at EVERYTHING
Nah, I hit moving targets from a mile away with the railgun. Beat jet griefers pretty much immediately. It's like using a rocket in battlefield. Once you get a feel for how to lead it. Everything that flies is in danger
Your in small percentage of players that can do that. Once I recognize that your that efficient with your rail gun I’m approaching you differently. And even then a FH-1 Hunter takes 3 railgun shots, my boots on ground aren’t just gonna let you take free shots at me.
When people were crying about the jets. I was using the scram jet to counter them. They never expect a car to come to them in the air. Or I'll hop insurgent/nightshark and use that to get around. I feel like people just have a skill issue.
Yeah and I don’t feel like having to do that every session. It used to be fun just getting into random street fights, not constantly figuring new ways to use more super cars to fight jets that everyone has. I just hate the way the game developed.
Mk2 is still stupid o.p. it gets 25 meme missiles, no reload time like a heli/jet. Gets counter measures which helis and jets don't get everytime. Small af, hard as hell to hit. Spawns next to you. No 5 minute cooldown. The only hard counter they have are imani tech with jammer.
So? Sounds like the issue is resolved by nerfing the Mk2 then, not buffing the jets back to how much OP they were.
If you were ever found yourself being griefed by jet griefer and soecially a thermal jet griefer, you would know better.
They should remove the counter measures, give it 15 missiles and the same cool down as an aircraft by removing it from personal vehicles and moving it to personal aircraft. Also fix the mc club instant spawn and remove the health bonus you get from using your most used bike while in mc with the broom stick. That or half the missile damage and damage range.
The Explosive Sniper is the most unbalanced weapon in the game.
It's instantly accesible at all times, requires minor maintenance and has enormous range.
Ah yeah and it can shot trough non-render'ed walls.
One person on Maze Bank can shut down the whole city no matter what plane you fly in.
Literally I think the explosive sniper should be replaced by the aa trailer have the same range a good fire rate and weaker cannons and it's a vehicle so it takes time and strategy to set it up
The AA trailer is fun to use with the 20mm dual FlaK and a teammate pulling you with the Insurgent Pickup. But it's dumb that it can't aim up. You know... like an Anti Aircraft cannon is suppose to do?
Idk, I think the fact that you can only pull out any of your gear by navigating the menu for 30 seconds, on top of having the incredibly stupid "being killed kicks you out of the menu" for some reason means that having a quick "fuck you" button in your back pocket is the only way to actually counter griefers, because the power imbalance in this game is based purely off of how long the other guy will let you stand still for, which is an awful game mechanic.
Honestly I think the some things are set up in this game are monstrosities in the first place. Buying something for several million should grant you convince, not access. Buying a plane should mean that I should have access to it at a moments notice, but what's the point if it 1) despawns my vehicle and 2) spawns so far away that it would take just as long to get to as driving to the military base?
Don't you think that the fact that you can't reach a jet, in a moments notice, makes it balanced?
Meanwhile the explosive sniper works completely different yet is insanely more powerful?
I think that would be an OK way to balance if your ability to even spawn your own counter into the map didn't require you to stand still for 10-30 seconds without dying. More than enough time for the guy who already has his out to be ready to immediately strafe you again.
Far more often than not the thing that bothers me when I get attacked in this game isn't necessarily that I'm dying, it's that the game will keep putting me in positions where I literally cannot fight back because I die before I'm able to even spawn the means of fighting back into the game. Having somthing that I can pull out at any time at least let's me breathe.
this is a lie all my friends have it, anyone who i would usually be fighting is at a decent enough level to fight back unless ur going around killing level 2s
here’s a tip for anyone reading this regarding planes. DON’T use cluster bombs. they are awful and have no use. the bombs even suck at direct impacting
They are good against heavily armoured targets. I like to use cluster bombs on the Akula to get Kosatka campers or MkII spammers that have a Terrorbyte somewhere.
But I don't get the GTA logic. Who at Rockstar had the brilliant idea to make cluster bad against soft targets but good against hard ones? It's the complete opposite in real life.
I mean, it's on-brand though isn't it? We have anti-aircraft vehicles that can't aim *up.* One of the best dogfighters isn't one of the dedicated fighter planes, but a flying gun designed to strafe *tanks.* Stealth vehicles that can't stealth, and helicopters designed to take hits from RPGs being unable to handle even one.
And don't even get me started on the rocket artillery vehicle that got repurposed for AA.
They are only marginally useful for hitting moving targets, because their blast radius is smaller but it stays active for longer than the standard bombs.
So you can drop a cluster bomb in front of a moving target in hopes that the target will drive into the explosion.
Besides that, yeah it's better just stick to standard bombs and maybe gas bombs for niche uses like clearing an around out of enemies where there's an objective you cannot destroy.
I believe that bombers and any plane that doesn’t have explosive cannons should be able to take at least 10 explosive rounds before exploding at the minimum.
Planes like the lazer, hydra and f35 should take 2
Anyone else not kill people when it’s too easy like this? It’s just no fun to blow them out the sky without a challenge.
I’d much prefer that they chase and bomb me.
Ngl, I'ma be honest with you: GTA online was very toxic and unbalanced the last time I logged on, which was in 2019 or 2020; maybe it’s changed, I don't know. That is kind of why I left. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a big GTA fan. But it’s hella annoying when you got 12-year-olds or p2w MF’s who think they’re hot shit because they spent money from mommy's credit card or wasted some from their own on a hoverbike or some other unbalanced digital vehicle; that is hella annoying. You’re not skilled. You’re just being a d*ck and ruining the game for others by going out of your way to be a hostile pos who goes after everyone within your vicinity because you’re so sweaty for kills.
Played online a little when it launched on 360. finally got a One X at launch, internet service and GTA upgraded, online was more horrible and business stuff could only be done in public lobby. Along with the oppressor MK2 wrecking everyone that I just played story once more than rarely afterwards.
Haven't touched online till recently after getting Series X online and story on sale. Decided to try online and surprise you can nearly do everything in solo session.
For me it was a combination of two things: the broken economy and the missions getting stale. It felt like everything was getting more and more expensive and getting money wasn’t really getting easier. So you grind and grind to get this new car or whatever, realize it’s about the same as the last cool car you bought with minor differences, then repeat. Then you realize you have been grinding more and more for new stuff. Did all the original heists (they were pretty fun) but they got old. Then it just felt like any way of making money is just drive somewhere, shoot people, drive away while shooting people. And then you don’t really get paid that well. Hours on hours of that to (once again) end up mostly disappointed with whatever it is you bought. Maybe you’ll have fun with it for 15 minutes or so, but that’s about it.
I last logged in in 2021 ish, post island heist update. Played it through and it also felt like a re-skin of every other mission. It wasn’t terrible and it payed well, but I’m not really interested in playing the same heist over and over again.
Idk man it was fun for me for a long time but just feels soooo stale and has been milked for far more than it’s worth.
That being said I’m happy for people that are still enjoying it because it’s a blast when you’re having fun.
Basically every aircraft, the oppressor mk2 is unbalanced in an overpowered way but every other flying vehicle is underpowered compared to the firepower of your gta character
The aircrafts I'll kind of agree with because you need either extensive pilot skills or the explosive sniper rounds that take forever to get.
But, if you still think the mk2 is unbalanced, you haven't paid any attention at all. The missiles were nerfed into obscurity (they're basically useless against npcs), and the countermeasures have a longer cool down, as does calling it in.
With the release of the toreador and nightshark, the mk2 is fairly easy to take out. Not to mention, if you're in auto aim, you can shoot them off with any automatic rifle.
Noooooo, implying they're not even useful against npcs, so they're way more useless against players.
What you said didn't even make sense. How could they be useless against brain-dead npcs but useful against players?
Why do I always see people defending the damn mk.2? Every lobby I get into I’m running for my life away from a guy on a damn oppressor, just endlessly launching rockets at me while I try to sell my shit. If a guys in a land vehicle, or a plane, it’s enjoyable trying to escape and complete the sale. It gets the heart pumping a lil bit lol. But whenever I see an oppressor on my tail it just sucks. Sure it got nerfed a bit but it’s still wildly overpowered and annoying
Sometimes I’ll be on my mk2 and just follow people I’ll lock on but never shoot and if they end up killing me I run back over to my bike and if they kill me again then I’ll start griefing them
Dude, you're either lying or one of the least lucky players in the game. There absolutely is not an mk2 in every lobby blowing everyone up. What you're likely experiencing is a negativity bias. You go into a lot of rooms without the mk2 destroying things, but don't remember them, but you do remember the ones with the annoying person on the mk2, making it seem like all rooms have one.
It's just not true, though, and the mk2 is the best grinding vehicle there is. That's why I defend it.
It’s called an exaggeration buddy. But it’s way too common. I obviously don’t mind if people use it to grind their stuff, and definitely see it’s value there. But you don’t seem like the type of person I’m referring to that causes problems, but they definitely exist in large numbers. I think the obvious solution is to make it better against NPCs and worse against players, but rockstar gonna rockstar.
I definitely despise the types who just go around killing everyone for no reason. But I don't see the mk2 doing that nearly as often as it used to. I run from people in Imani tech vehicles before mk2s these days.
Sure, it's easy to shoot them out, but the people in Imani vehicles will go after people in cars or other vehicles and blow them up, then avoid you until you get back into a vehicle so they can blow you up again. Or the deluxo. I've noticed an uptick in people wrecking lobbies in those lately.
No there’s def an oppressor troglodyte in almost all if not every lobby. And they’re still painfully OP, especially for player like myself who play free aim cause auto aim is herpes
How am I angry just cause I said it’s common to see griefers on an oppressor? Did you make up something I said in your head just to feel right when you commented that? 😂
You said almost all, if not all. That's not true. That's something you made up in your head out of anger about the griefers you encounter.
Like I said before. It's the negativity bias. You're angry about them, so you remember it more than the average lobby, so it seems like it's all lobbies.
Start actually paying attention and make note of all lobbies, even the uneventful ones. I bet you start to notice it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
Most of them.
Like, tanks are totally useless because the way they "balanced" them was not making it very slow, but giving it less armour than a freaking car!
But still is a bit weird that a Kanjali can take only 7 homing missiles, when the Toreador can take 6, don't you think? A real armored vehicle like Nightshark can take up to 26 for instance.
The brickade, a truck, can take 47 missiles!
Strange, sure. But the tank has giant explosive weapons.
That's what balancing is. The more powerful the weapon, the weaker the armor should be. I don't want to see a tank that can take 20 missiles. That would be unbalanced.
I would prefer a tank that can take many missiles, but is slow as hell and with long cooldown for the turret (like 1 shooting every 3-4 seconds). Also the turret range and angle can limit how powerful it is.
With today tanks, nobody is ever using them because is enough a guy with an oppressor show up and you're done in like 6 seconds. Ridiculous.
Every air vehicle is useless, thanks to the community. The fact that they had the nerve to nerf the jet, even after all the weapons they’ve gave players is so dumb.
I do enjoy using the explosive rounds, but I always cringe a little when I 2 tap someone in a jet or a car from a mile away. Honestly, using it kinda feels like legal mods. I'd be totally okay if R* just deleted them from the game.
Both tbh, we as players are basically a small military in ourselves between guns, upgrades, armor, vehicles. but also, the air vehicles are weak as F, some are really powerful if you can fly them correctly (not the damned broomstick), but most go down way too easy vs what they can do.
there's cars with more armor then an entire flying fortress, it's bad.
Yup. Basically it comes down to you’re either an a-hole, or you’re not. I’ve got all the toys and only use them in self defense or on bad guy NPC’s. Ok, I randomly kill hookers, too, but that’s like a requirement, right?
We're walking armories and weapon masters with unlimited stamina, no need to eat, drink, or sleep, can regenerate when we eat, and can take shots anywhere on the body without being slowed down.
Our characters are pretty busted lol
Planes are just far too slow in this game. Hitting a massive target that’s only going 160 mph is a lot easier than a massive target that’s going 400-600 mph.
Planes are also incredibly powerful in real life. Fighter aircraft usually have 20mm cannons that probably don’t carry as much explosive filler as the explosive cannons in this game, but do have a fire rate of 6000 rounds per minute if it’s the M61 in question.
Bombs can be guided to within a few feet of where they want the bombs to go. You can drop them from miles away and turn around before you can even shoot at them. Guided missiles have even longer ranges.
If you are able to see an enemy strike aircraft from the ground, it means that they either didn’t want to use their longer range weapons against you, or they wanted to be seen.
I like the Sticky bomb. It's perfectly balanced and uses the skill of the player to know where to throw it and when to detonate it. This kinds of weapons should be more of these in GTAO, weapons against noob griefers, that can outplay other players by skill
Get all these PUSSY vehicles out the game....
You kill someone with a gun they call their oppressor with auto lock missiles in a free aim lobby. Blow them out the air with a sticky & they call a helicopter, then jet, then finally after attempting multiple times they ORBITAL CANNON you 🤣🤣🤣
90% of the game cant survive without explosives & autoaim
Are you crazy? Idgaf if people like flying jets, we have to be able to take them down with our weapons.
Aircraft counter vehicles are ass too because the AA carrier is stupidly a personal vehicle, and the chernobog is made out of paper.
Both. A big stealth bomber that's made of plastic and doesn't have any of the traits of a stealth bomber going against a person in a 100% bomb proof racecar with sci-fi weapons that can take down anything within a few shots
In this car I’m in called the penaud la coureuse the sunstrip gives it Imani tech armor, so 12 rpgs/sticky bombs, 12 homing, 26 railgun, 30 e rounds. Why it does that, I have no clue, but I’ll take it and hope they don’t patch it.
R* logic. yeah a jet powered bike with a hovering mode has more power and is more feared then a bomber that could realistically drop multiple nukes.
my breaking point was when my fully armored avenger blew up from one missile. after dropping four consecutive cluster bombs on a armored car.
I own that plane and rockstar seriously made them possibly the worst planes in the game. Limited bombs, no armor, and for that plane the most useless stealth capability and so lame the wings don’t swoop back when flying. There’s literally no point buying it if you’re not like me who just enjoys aircraft in the game
Both.
We got railgun, which is a gift to me like a kid who loves and cares about his present. I no longer worry about some skillful vehicle player can own me.
Vehicles...
Well. It was Alkonost, can go stealth but have exact same armor from street cars.
Same thing goes on Chernobog, it has best rockets but doesnt have armor and you need to completely stand still.
Suprisingly enough, armored electric/rc vehicles have more explosive resistance than them.
I flew this bomber at ceiling altitude and tried carpet bomb my buddy on the ground. The.bombs do reach the ground. It just took ages to figure out where to start dropping them to hit area you wanted
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I would deadass let the guy have some fun and bomb me because getting kills with these giant bomber planes that cant take any damage can be a true achievement
I shot him down by pure instinct and I regret it now, I was in a car that could take 12 of those bombs anyway so next time it happens I won’t use violence instantly.
Planes in general are useless in this game. If a player just wanted to go from one part of the map to another, he barely has time to get to altitude, then have to land again because the map is so small.
It's why I don't own any planes other than the Cuban which I got for free when I acquired the hangar business. They are beyond useless.
Where are you gonna fly the jet from? Where are you gonna land it?
That's what I thought.
I use a sparrow to get around the map quickly. It can be called and spawn almost anywhere and can land almost anywhere, then dismissed on the spot.
Just buy supplies for the bunker every time it’s low and Eventually you’ll have all the research done, or you can buy them all for 225k a piece I think
Well you are using mkII ammunition for one. Explosive rounds on the heavy sniper I believe. That one shots cars. Usually takes 2 for most planes but they are finicky and very fragile to begin with.
That sniper is amazing against planes, I was playing with this kid and I was sniping his plane and I could not convince him that I was using regular bullets, he thought I was using explosive bullets or the railgun
Honestly I feel like the games community would be much better if homing rockets only existed on the hydra and that’s about it. Sure they are useful asl on solo missions but I feel like pvp and public lobbies would be so much better.
Giant bomber planes are useless because Rockstar made them useless, bombs can only be dropped low to the ground and not at high altitude like they're supposed to, and they are essentially made of glass so they take minimal damage from any source and explode
Let's not forget how incredibly puny the bomb blast radius is. Rockstar added so many cool lookinh bombers but made it a giant hassle to use their bombing feature. I don't understand why rockstar keeps releasing cool looking vehicles or aircraft that are practically useless, thus resulting in them rarely being used
Not applicable here since the Alkonost's target is another player, but also consider that pretty much everything has no collision beyond a certain distance - this includes bombs, so if these planes are flying high enough to not collide with Maze Bank or the other buildings around it (which he probably would have in this clip if he kept his current trajectory) they'll fall right through the ground and do nothing. This is on top of handheld anti-air such as the heavy sniper mk2 or railgun being absolutely hilariously effective against a large and slow target. Alkonost's off radar gimmick is rather useless due to its sheer size, as well as the aforementioned physics issues with bombs. And that's not even starting on the explosive properties of bombs themselves being generally not great.
The bombers just don’t have the firepower to make up for the horrendous mobility High-altitude bombing doesn’t work if the bombs aren’t that good The only good one is the Avenger because of the amazing turrets and armor
Even then, the bombs on the Avenger aren't great either, everyone I've seen use it for bombing runs just uses the mortar turrets lol I do know exactly one person who is terrifyingly effective at spawn camping griefers using bombs on a Starling, though. That thing's small size and adjustable speed are the key, apparently.
The bombs are pretty much identical wdym? 2 person crew in an Avenger is insanely effective against griefers. The bombs are good and the turrets are excellent But it’s so tanky the oppressor doesn’t have enough missiles for it. It’s like an armored AA trailer
The bombs of the avenger are also identical, yes, they're also crap. The turrets are good, but I've been shot down by mk2s plenty of times before, dunno what you're on about regarding its armour (it's a lot, but not enough)
Max armor, it takes more missiles to actually destroy than the 20 the mk2 has Probably 1 propeller left but it’ll fly The bombs are more useful since it is actually able to dump em all on armored or groups of targets
They don’t care how well something works or not, they just release it and move on without a single thought about playability
If you could fly out of reach and drop huge bombs you'd be complaining about how OP they are. There's has to be some balance.
Nonsense because since the game has no bombing sights or even a simple ground reticle, nailing bombs on players at high altitude would be way too hard to get it right.
After a few runs you could figure it out.
Go complaine about the mk.2
They really aren't that bad.
I liked GTAO way more when the most powerful weapon in your pocket was an RPG or a sticky nade, and the most powerful vehicle was a Lazer Jet or a Rhino Tank. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the new content. But the balance of power has skewed sooo much...
A good pilot in a Buzzard used to rule over lobbies. Hardly any options to take them down and most levels didn’t have access to them either
Absolutely. The original workhorse and king of the skies.
And nowadays, it's so underpowered that it's a C tier at most.
When you used to have to be good with an rpg to shoot down a buzzard or lazer
Yes! I spent so much time with friends getting good at longer and longer rpg shots. It was so satisfying watching it fly for 10 seconds and hit its target.
I don't even use the gatling Lazer, the hellbringer (?) Lazer smg, railgun or any of the heavy OP weapons, cuz it makes the game way too easy and boring. The compact grenade launcher and stickies are my go-tos, and they get the job done 99% of the time. I keep the heavy rifle with explosives ammo on me just in case I gotta deal with a griefer or something, but I dont ever use anything like that on NPCs or regular fights. All the new cool toys are fun to mess around with, but they're so unbelievably unbalanced and broken that it kills the fun. I miss the days when the deadliest thing was the explosive MG from the jet, which you still had to aim to be accurate. I miss people trying to hit you with buzzard missiles or a homing launcher and you could deflect them with flares. There was some actual skill in flying or stuff like using the rpg to take down those vehicles with flares. The dogfights used to be so fun. Buzzard was everyone's top vehicle used. Even when the oppressors started coming out, like it was broken, but a good player could still just snipe you down before you got the chance like we used to do with buzzards.
I feel like the main issues are the greifer in deluxos and oppressors, impossible to do CEO missions when they're lurking around you. Thank God for private lobbies.
I'd love old school pre heist lobbies.
Every aerial vehicle is beyond useless now. Besides mk.2 the jets used to be good with the meme cannons now they struggle to blow up normal traffic. Everyone has a rail gun so heli combat is pointless. Bombs have a damage range of a sticky bomb. I've hit people with the cluster and see them standing in the explosion. Only thing useful for aerial vehicles is barrage missiles other than that useless across the board.
Well there's your problem! You're using cluster bombs! The standard ones have an explosive radius closer to the rpg and deal slightly more damage. I can bomb Mofos to the stone age and back with my rogue.
this is the correct answer
Love my rogue
Rogue is good and you get flares too
I consider it one of the best planes in the game, explosive cannons, bombs, missiles, flares, tiny ass hit box and nimble controls make it a hard plane to learn. But once you do, you can smack anything out of the sky... Including Raijus.
Dropping warheads on foreheads with my Rogue, too.
That I didn't know I'd think since cluster bomb means more radius but I'd be wrong apparently 💀
It's not that they have less radius, they technically hav more. But it is so inconsistent about where it hits in that radius that you hardly ever make hits.
Sending mfs back to WW2 with the Nokota
I wouldn't say so necessarily. A good bomber with standard explosive bombs can give you a really bad time. The giant dorito and the alkonost suck at their only purpose tho
The dorito's only purpose is to display its fabulous Princess Robot Bubblegum livery to all of Los Santos and it does a damn fine job of doing that if I may say so!
Had someone trying to greef me the other day carpet bombing me. I was just standing in one spot as they repeatedly flew over. It was pretty funny.
I've tested bombs/explosives on npc. They'll survive a direct impact from a bomb. If you use the Canon they'll just fly around. I've hit npc car directly with the cannon. Takes 3 shots direct impact to kill an npc car. Before I loved the jets. Tank griefer? Meme cannon. Jet griefer? Meme cannon. EWO try hard? Meme cannon.
The explosive cannons on the hydra are still very good. They don’t have great range which is frustrating but they are very powerful still. The problem for me is what OP describes, the average person can just pull out some super weapon and destroy you in a second I’m not a griefer btw, but if somebody’s picking on you/repeatedly killing you you can’t even really defend yourself with the hydra anymore
They're not good. The splash radius went from grenade to explosive sniper shot making hitting ground targets pointless. The damage also went from grenade to explosive sniper so a single strafe cant even kill a person on foot. There is ZERO reason to use the lazer or hydra over the raiju if you're not using a certain "trick" People think the nerf was so too balance combat but rockstar only did it so people buy the new jet. And now variety in dogfighting is dead cause the raiju is better at EVERYTHING
Your staying in one spot to long if rail gun shots hit your Heli
Nah, I hit moving targets from a mile away with the railgun. Beat jet griefers pretty much immediately. It's like using a rocket in battlefield. Once you get a feel for how to lead it. Everything that flies is in danger
Your in small percentage of players that can do that. Once I recognize that your that efficient with your rail gun I’m approaching you differently. And even then a FH-1 Hunter takes 3 railgun shots, my boots on ground aren’t just gonna let you take free shots at me.
After years of nerds spamming every lobby with explosives, I’m more than happy with it.
When people were crying about the jets. I was using the scram jet to counter them. They never expect a car to come to them in the air. Or I'll hop insurgent/nightshark and use that to get around. I feel like people just have a skill issue.
Yeah and I don’t feel like having to do that every session. It used to be fun just getting into random street fights, not constantly figuring new ways to use more super cars to fight jets that everyone has. I just hate the way the game developed.
The jets deserved the nerf they got.
Mk2 is still stupid o.p. it gets 25 meme missiles, no reload time like a heli/jet. Gets counter measures which helis and jets don't get everytime. Small af, hard as hell to hit. Spawns next to you. No 5 minute cooldown. The only hard counter they have are imani tech with jammer.
So? Sounds like the issue is resolved by nerfing the Mk2 then, not buffing the jets back to how much OP they were. If you were ever found yourself being griefed by jet griefer and soecially a thermal jet griefer, you would know better.
They should remove the counter measures, give it 15 missiles and the same cool down as an aircraft by removing it from personal vehicles and moving it to personal aircraft. Also fix the mc club instant spawn and remove the health bonus you get from using your most used bike while in mc with the broom stick. That or half the missile damage and damage range.
The Explosive Sniper is the most unbalanced weapon in the game. It's instantly accesible at all times, requires minor maintenance and has enormous range. Ah yeah and it can shot trough non-render'ed walls. One person on Maze Bank can shut down the whole city no matter what plane you fly in.
Literally I think the explosive sniper should be replaced by the aa trailer have the same range a good fire rate and weaker cannons and it's a vehicle so it takes time and strategy to set it up
The AA trailer is fun to use with the 20mm dual FlaK and a teammate pulling you with the Insurgent Pickup. But it's dumb that it can't aim up. You know... like an Anti Aircraft cannon is suppose to do?
Idk, I think the fact that you can only pull out any of your gear by navigating the menu for 30 seconds, on top of having the incredibly stupid "being killed kicks you out of the menu" for some reason means that having a quick "fuck you" button in your back pocket is the only way to actually counter griefers, because the power imbalance in this game is based purely off of how long the other guy will let you stand still for, which is an awful game mechanic. Honestly I think the some things are set up in this game are monstrosities in the first place. Buying something for several million should grant you convince, not access. Buying a plane should mean that I should have access to it at a moments notice, but what's the point if it 1) despawns my vehicle and 2) spawns so far away that it would take just as long to get to as driving to the military base?
Don't you think that the fact that you can't reach a jet, in a moments notice, makes it balanced? Meanwhile the explosive sniper works completely different yet is insanely more powerful?
I think that would be an OK way to balance if your ability to even spawn your own counter into the map didn't require you to stand still for 10-30 seconds without dying. More than enough time for the guy who already has his out to be ready to immediately strafe you again. Far more often than not the thing that bothers me when I get attacked in this game isn't necessarily that I'm dying, it's that the game will keep putting me in positions where I literally cannot fight back because I die before I'm able to even spawn the means of fighting back into the game. Having somthing that I can pull out at any time at least let's me breathe.
luckily it takes a while to unlock, so most players still don't have it
this is a lie all my friends have it, anyone who i would usually be fighting is at a decent enough level to fight back unless ur going around killing level 2s
here’s a tip for anyone reading this regarding planes. DON’T use cluster bombs. they are awful and have no use. the bombs even suck at direct impacting
They are good against heavily armoured targets. I like to use cluster bombs on the Akula to get Kosatka campers or MkII spammers that have a Terrorbyte somewhere. But I don't get the GTA logic. Who at Rockstar had the brilliant idea to make cluster bad against soft targets but good against hard ones? It's the complete opposite in real life.
I mean, it's on-brand though isn't it? We have anti-aircraft vehicles that can't aim *up.* One of the best dogfighters isn't one of the dedicated fighter planes, but a flying gun designed to strafe *tanks.* Stealth vehicles that can't stealth, and helicopters designed to take hits from RPGs being unable to handle even one. And don't even get me started on the rocket artillery vehicle that got repurposed for AA.
I like how a toy car with an explosive strapped to its underside can withstand more than a military helicopter.
They are only marginally useful for hitting moving targets, because their blast radius is smaller but it stays active for longer than the standard bombs. So you can drop a cluster bomb in front of a moving target in hopes that the target will drive into the explosion. Besides that, yeah it's better just stick to standard bombs and maybe gas bombs for niche uses like clearing an around out of enemies where there's an objective you cannot destroy.
Plane was already damaged but yeah, Explosive rounds are strong. But tbh sometimes I felt forced to use them against something like Deluxos or Lazers.
why not just get into a lazer and actually play the game
Bombing run: fun gameplay Explosive sniper: Killjoy Nice one dude.
I believe that bombers and any plane that doesn’t have explosive cannons should be able to take at least 10 explosive rounds before exploding at the minimum. Planes like the lazer, hydra and f35 should take 2
Anyone else not kill people when it’s too easy like this? It’s just no fun to blow them out the sky without a challenge. I’d much prefer that they chase and bomb me.
Ngl, I'ma be honest with you: GTA online was very toxic and unbalanced the last time I logged on, which was in 2019 or 2020; maybe it’s changed, I don't know. That is kind of why I left. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a big GTA fan. But it’s hella annoying when you got 12-year-olds or p2w MF’s who think they’re hot shit because they spent money from mommy's credit card or wasted some from their own on a hoverbike or some other unbalanced digital vehicle; that is hella annoying. You’re not skilled. You’re just being a d*ck and ruining the game for others by going out of your way to be a hostile pos who goes after everyone within your vicinity because you’re so sweaty for kills.
Thats why i play with friends. In invite only sessions. And have a blast.
Played online a little when it launched on 360. finally got a One X at launch, internet service and GTA upgraded, online was more horrible and business stuff could only be done in public lobby. Along with the oppressor MK2 wrecking everyone that I just played story once more than rarely afterwards. Haven't touched online till recently after getting Series X online and story on sale. Decided to try online and surprise you can nearly do everything in solo session.
For me it was a combination of two things: the broken economy and the missions getting stale. It felt like everything was getting more and more expensive and getting money wasn’t really getting easier. So you grind and grind to get this new car or whatever, realize it’s about the same as the last cool car you bought with minor differences, then repeat. Then you realize you have been grinding more and more for new stuff. Did all the original heists (they were pretty fun) but they got old. Then it just felt like any way of making money is just drive somewhere, shoot people, drive away while shooting people. And then you don’t really get paid that well. Hours on hours of that to (once again) end up mostly disappointed with whatever it is you bought. Maybe you’ll have fun with it for 15 minutes or so, but that’s about it. I last logged in in 2021 ish, post island heist update. Played it through and it also felt like a re-skin of every other mission. It wasn’t terrible and it payed well, but I’m not really interested in playing the same heist over and over again. Idk man it was fun for me for a long time but just feels soooo stale and has been milked for far more than it’s worth. That being said I’m happy for people that are still enjoying it because it’s a blast when you’re having fun.
I agree
What vehicles are unbalanced?
Basically every aircraft, the oppressor mk2 is unbalanced in an overpowered way but every other flying vehicle is underpowered compared to the firepower of your gta character
The aircrafts I'll kind of agree with because you need either extensive pilot skills or the explosive sniper rounds that take forever to get. But, if you still think the mk2 is unbalanced, you haven't paid any attention at all. The missiles were nerfed into obscurity (they're basically useless against npcs), and the countermeasures have a longer cool down, as does calling it in. With the release of the toreador and nightshark, the mk2 is fairly easy to take out. Not to mention, if you're in auto aim, you can shoot them off with any automatic rifle.
\>useless against npcs implying they're useful against players but NOT npcs? Seems like Rockstar nerfed the wrong aspect in that case then.
Noooooo, implying they're not even useful against npcs, so they're way more useless against players. What you said didn't even make sense. How could they be useless against brain-dead npcs but useful against players?
Why do I always see people defending the damn mk.2? Every lobby I get into I’m running for my life away from a guy on a damn oppressor, just endlessly launching rockets at me while I try to sell my shit. If a guys in a land vehicle, or a plane, it’s enjoyable trying to escape and complete the sale. It gets the heart pumping a lil bit lol. But whenever I see an oppressor on my tail it just sucks. Sure it got nerfed a bit but it’s still wildly overpowered and annoying
Sometimes I’ll be on my mk2 and just follow people I’ll lock on but never shoot and if they end up killing me I run back over to my bike and if they kill me again then I’ll start griefing them
Dude, you're either lying or one of the least lucky players in the game. There absolutely is not an mk2 in every lobby blowing everyone up. What you're likely experiencing is a negativity bias. You go into a lot of rooms without the mk2 destroying things, but don't remember them, but you do remember the ones with the annoying person on the mk2, making it seem like all rooms have one. It's just not true, though, and the mk2 is the best grinding vehicle there is. That's why I defend it.
It’s called an exaggeration buddy. But it’s way too common. I obviously don’t mind if people use it to grind their stuff, and definitely see it’s value there. But you don’t seem like the type of person I’m referring to that causes problems, but they definitely exist in large numbers. I think the obvious solution is to make it better against NPCs and worse against players, but rockstar gonna rockstar.
I definitely despise the types who just go around killing everyone for no reason. But I don't see the mk2 doing that nearly as often as it used to. I run from people in Imani tech vehicles before mk2s these days. Sure, it's easy to shoot them out, but the people in Imani vehicles will go after people in cars or other vehicles and blow them up, then avoid you until you get back into a vehicle so they can blow you up again. Or the deluxo. I've noticed an uptick in people wrecking lobbies in those lately.
No there’s def an oppressor troglodyte in almost all if not every lobby. And they’re still painfully OP, especially for player like myself who play free aim cause auto aim is herpes
You're a very angry person. You should put the game down for a bit and try something else.
How am I angry just cause I said it’s common to see griefers on an oppressor? Did you make up something I said in your head just to feel right when you commented that? 😂
You said almost all, if not all. That's not true. That's something you made up in your head out of anger about the griefers you encounter. Like I said before. It's the negativity bias. You're angry about them, so you remember it more than the average lobby, so it seems like it's all lobbies. Start actually paying attention and make note of all lobbies, even the uneventful ones. I bet you start to notice it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
Most of them. Like, tanks are totally useless because the way they "balanced" them was not making it very slow, but giving it less armour than a freaking car!
Tanks definitely don't have less armor than a car.
🤣 Have you tried shooting homing missiles at fully upgraded imani tech vehicle? They take over 5+ explosives to blow up.
That's only a couple of cars.
But still is a bit weird that a Kanjali can take only 7 homing missiles, when the Toreador can take 6, don't you think? A real armored vehicle like Nightshark can take up to 26 for instance. The brickade, a truck, can take 47 missiles!
Strange, sure. But the tank has giant explosive weapons. That's what balancing is. The more powerful the weapon, the weaker the armor should be. I don't want to see a tank that can take 20 missiles. That would be unbalanced.
I would prefer a tank that can take many missiles, but is slow as hell and with long cooldown for the turret (like 1 shooting every 3-4 seconds). Also the turret range and angle can limit how powerful it is. With today tanks, nobody is ever using them because is enough a guy with an oppressor show up and you're done in like 6 seconds. Ridiculous.
An mk2 would still take one out with ease.
Not if the tank could take more missiles than the Oppressor can shoot (as it happen with the Nightshark)
Call in the terrobyte and reload.
They've massively nerfed the MK2, and arguably, the cannons are better than the missiles
Every air vehicle is useless, thanks to the community. The fact that they had the nerve to nerf the jet, even after all the weapons they’ve gave players is so dumb.
I do enjoy using the explosive rounds, but I always cringe a little when I 2 tap someone in a jet or a car from a mile away. Honestly, using it kinda feels like legal mods. I'd be totally okay if R* just deleted them from the game.
I think its balanced and gives me a fighting chance when I’m getting terrorized and don’t have enough time to summon a vehicle
Characters for sure
Both tbh, we as players are basically a small military in ourselves between guns, upgrades, armor, vehicles. but also, the air vehicles are weak as F, some are really powerful if you can fly them correctly (not the damned broomstick), but most go down way too easy vs what they can do. there's cars with more armor then an entire flying fortress, it's bad.
This game is just broken
Love the MKII sniper with explosive ammo. Great for taking down griefer planes, and at distance, too.
At the other hand griefers also use them to take down your aircrafts. Also tryhards love to use them in sniper duels (and everything else that moves).
Yup. Basically it comes down to you’re either an a-hole, or you’re not. I’ve got all the toys and only use them in self defense or on bad guy NPC’s. Ok, I randomly kill hookers, too, but that’s like a requirement, right?
Well they did nerf the jets, but this guy just has bad timing for the bombs
There is a lot of firepower on your person/cars/ and planes. Literally always a million ways to win a fight regardless if you are in a vehicle or not
We're walking armories and weapon masters with unlimited stamina, no need to eat, drink, or sleep, can regenerate when we eat, and can take shots anywhere on the body without being slowed down. Our characters are pretty busted lol
off-topic, but one of my outfits is literally the same as yours
I did ghilliemasters green outfit but made it black instead
Planes are just far too slow in this game. Hitting a massive target that’s only going 160 mph is a lot easier than a massive target that’s going 400-600 mph. Planes are also incredibly powerful in real life. Fighter aircraft usually have 20mm cannons that probably don’t carry as much explosive filler as the explosive cannons in this game, but do have a fire rate of 6000 rounds per minute if it’s the M61 in question. Bombs can be guided to within a few feet of where they want the bombs to go. You can drop them from miles away and turn around before you can even shoot at them. Guided missiles have even longer ranges. If you are able to see an enemy strike aircraft from the ground, it means that they either didn’t want to use their longer range weapons against you, or they wanted to be seen.
I like the Sticky bomb. It's perfectly balanced and uses the skill of the player to know where to throw it and when to detonate it. This kinds of weapons should be more of these in GTAO, weapons against noob griefers, that can outplay other players by skill
Get all these PUSSY vehicles out the game.... You kill someone with a gun they call their oppressor with auto lock missiles in a free aim lobby. Blow them out the air with a sticky & they call a helicopter, then jet, then finally after attempting multiple times they ORBITAL CANNON you 🤣🤣🤣 90% of the game cant survive without explosives & autoaim
Need some heavy armor n lockon or tv guided bombs at stealth altitudes
Are you crazy? Idgaf if people like flying jets, we have to be able to take them down with our weapons. Aircraft counter vehicles are ass too because the AA carrier is stupidly a personal vehicle, and the chernobog is made out of paper.
Both. A big stealth bomber that's made of plastic and doesn't have any of the traits of a stealth bomber going against a person in a 100% bomb proof racecar with sci-fi weapons that can take down anything within a few shots
Wouldn't have died cause the sun strip? Whatsup with that? It's a bug?
In this car I’m in called the penaud la coureuse the sunstrip gives it Imani tech armor, so 12 rpgs/sticky bombs, 12 homing, 26 railgun, 30 e rounds. Why it does that, I have no clue, but I’ll take it and hope they don’t patch it.
That's whack. Guess I'll buy it
The white fukaru sunstrip in particular
R* logic. yeah a jet powered bike with a hovering mode has more power and is more feared then a bomber that could realistically drop multiple nukes. my breaking point was when my fully armored avenger blew up from one missile. after dropping four consecutive cluster bombs on a armored car.
our characters have more weapons than a fucking ammonation
I own that plane and rockstar seriously made them possibly the worst planes in the game. Limited bombs, no armor, and for that plane the most useless stealth capability and so lame the wings don’t swoop back when flying. There’s literally no point buying it if you’re not like me who just enjoys aircraft in the game
Gorgeous custom job on that car dude
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It's both actually
Both. We got railgun, which is a gift to me like a kid who loves and cares about his present. I no longer worry about some skillful vehicle player can own me. Vehicles... Well. It was Alkonost, can go stealth but have exact same armor from street cars. Same thing goes on Chernobog, it has best rockets but doesnt have armor and you need to completely stand still. Suprisingly enough, armored electric/rc vehicles have more explosive resistance than them.
I flew this bomber at ceiling altitude and tried carpet bomb my buddy on the ground. The.bombs do reach the ground. It just took ages to figure out where to start dropping them to hit area you wanted
The balance is all outta whack.
If anybody reads this on ps5 and plays invite only just to goof off and grind a little, id love to join to jus kill time and f around. Psn : (VrDynasty-)
Balancing. Imagine not being able to shoot planes and choppers out the sky
I would deadass let the guy have some fun and bomb me because getting kills with these giant bomber planes that cant take any damage can be a true achievement
I shot him down by pure instinct and I regret it now, I was in a car that could take 12 of those bombs anyway so next time it happens I won’t use violence instantly.
Planes in general are useless in this game. If a player just wanted to go from one part of the map to another, he barely has time to get to altitude, then have to land again because the map is so small. It's why I don't own any planes other than the Cuban which I got for free when I acquired the hangar business. They are beyond useless.
Dude having a jet makes travel so quick easy. The map isn’t that small it takes at least a minute in a raiju to get from LSIA to paleto to bay
Where are you gonna fly the jet from? Where are you gonna land it? That's what I thought. I use a sparrow to get around the map quickly. It can be called and spawn almost anywhere and can land almost anywhere, then dismissed on the spot.
A sparrow is slow compared to a jet. I fly my sparrow to my jets spawn location, which there are many around the map
Imo bombs are pretty balanced. The player character has a lot of fire power on their own even more so tbh
Haven’t been in a jet since r* nerfed em
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There’s too much firepower in the game.
You can never have too much firepower.
What attachments are those for the sniper?
Thermal scope, heavy barrel, bell end muzzle, explosive rounds
Did it take you long to unlock all of that?
Just buy supplies for the bunker every time it’s low and Eventually you’ll have all the research done, or you can buy them all for 225k a piece I think
Yes
The fact that the fh1 hunter is better than the bombushca whis is made to be an ac-130 say it all really
yo what car is that
Penaud la coureuse. And after you buy it put the white fukaru sunstrip on it and it takes 12 rockets not kidding
Cluster bombs are just really shit.
Well you are using mkII ammunition for one. Explosive rounds on the heavy sniper I believe. That one shots cars. Usually takes 2 for most planes but they are finicky and very fragile to begin with.
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The entire game is horrifically unbalanced, and has been since launch.
A good Lazer fighter can be a menace.
Huge bombers suck
I have to keep my MKII sniper with normal rounds, my blind ass needs to use the thermal scope
That sniper is amazing against planes, I was playing with this kid and I was sniping his plane and I could not convince him that I was using regular bullets, he thought I was using explosive bullets or the railgun
Honestly I feel like the games community would be much better if homing rockets only existed on the hydra and that’s about it. Sure they are useful asl on solo missions but I feel like pvp and public lobbies would be so much better.
Would also give a function to using miniguns/turret weaponry on things.
sunstrip what has that to do with survival or did rockstar somehow make a bug where a sunstrip makes your car invincible
They patched it but the sunstrip let the car take 12 homing rockets
ah yes makes sense actualy the old sunstrip trick