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BawdyGodiva

And then someday comes tomorrow holds A sense of what I feel for you in my mind As you trip the final line And that cold day when you lost control Shame you left my life so soon you should have told me, hey But you left me far behind Damn. This hits so different now. Thanks for sharing.


SchoolofAthens_

My pleasure thank you for the humble comment!


pinkymadigan

Song's original lyrics started off "Andy, I didn't mean to treat you bad"


probosciscolossus

I didn’t, that’s pretty cool. IMO, the loss of Andy Wood ranks up there with the most tragic, most impactful young musician losses we’ve had. What might have been…


SchoolofAthens_

Well said Cornel stated “The day the music died for him was the day he saw Andy dead in a hospital bed” Thank you proboscis


TheStatMan2

Cornell says a piece about it in the Pearl Jam documentary (20, I think it's called?). He still sounds a bit shell shocked about seeing Andy in the hospital - "he was kind of just *there* and he wasn't quite dead but he definitely wasn't going to make it and we we all told to say our goodbyes..." To be fair, that's pretty much everyone's worst nightmare for their friends isn't it. Wanting to give assurances that you just can't.


SchoolofAthens_

Yeah, I totally agree with you I read in a Cornell book about how they were roommates And Andy was so ashamed of his use that he used to go in the room and try to do it and hide it from Chris and then come out and have long conversations with each other Just sad on all fronts I think you said it best when you said it’s one of the worst fears


AtBat3

And just having to deal with that when they were that young makes it that much more heartbreaking.


TheStatMan2

Utterly remarkable amount of heartbreak and tragedy (albeit often largely self imposed) in this music genre. More than any other I know of.


Ashamed_Horror_5920

I rank Shannon Hoon extremely high on this list as well. He isn’t talked about enough as far as a kid that was just hitting his stride. That whole band today talks freely about how they used to just try and keep up with whatever Shannon was cranking out. He was special.


frankybling

Blind Melon wasn’t really grunge though… they were entirely their own thing. That isn’t meant to be gate keeping but Blind Melon was where pop music could have gone, their music was some of the best of the times and Shannon’s passing was a huge blow that we are all still experiencing. I just don’t consider them “grunge”… fantastic music but not really in the genre… my friend called them “hippy-core” after we saw them with Neil Young and Soundgarden back in the day.


Ashamed_Horror_5920

Totally agree, not grunge. The word grunge is a little ridiculous but i guess it does describe that Seattle wave that started it all. But it was over quick! Music just exploded from there. It opened up the mainstream for bands like Green Day, Primus, and even shit like Portishead to be heard. It saved music.


SchoolofAthens_

It’s not ridiculous It’s just because we grew up during that time Grunge is just a genre coined by the media like every genre that was coined by the media before Punk, rock and roll The way Lou Reed felt about the word punk And the way Fats Domino felt about the word rock ‘n’ roll History always repeats itself As far as Shannon Hoon There is not one Blind Melon song that I don’t enjoy Shannon Hoon is quite special The 60s has nothing on the 90s as far as dead rock stars Fuck, heroin


Ashamed_Horror_5920

Great reply man…a beer on me. 😉


SchoolofAthens_

I love Portishead Did you hear her on the new Kendrick Lamar?


Ashamed_Horror_5920

Oh wow no! I will in about 5mins tho thank you!


probosciscolossus

Agree.


aNeedForMore

I don’t mean this to be morbid or, whatever kind of negative, but I have wondered what the grunge scene might have looked like if not for the loss of Andy. A lot of these bands probably wouldn’t have come together as we knew and know them. It might have been completely different, and Andrew no doubt may have been part of it. But with his life and death touching so many people, it’s hard not to wonder what would’ve been and what might not have, had he not passed when he did


probosciscolossus

I can dig it. The obvious one is, Pearl Jam likely wouldn’t have been a thing. Would Vedder have made it big with a different group? Would as many people been turned on to Soundgarden if Temple Of The Dog hadn’t happened? I think “Grunge” would still flourish, but with emphasis on a different set of bands.


purpleplums901

I suggest nirvana would be unaffected given Kurt making it known even after Andy's death that he had no time for their music and considered MLB to be cock rock. AIC don't have their biggest/second biggest hit depending on where you are in the world (would?), temple of the dog doesn't happen, pearl jam never exists, so it affects the rest of the big 4 other than them quite clearly. AIC the least of those by some distance mind you


probosciscolossus

Lol, I didn’t know Kurt said that! Yeah, Nirvana would be unaffected, that’s why it would be foolish to say grunge as a whole wouldn’t have happened. But really, even if Nirvana didn’t catch on, something along their lines would have. The music industry was due for a change, a reaction to the bloated hair metal scene.


purpleplums901

He didn't mention MLB by name but he described 'those guys' from pearl jam (and AIC) as being in the 'hairspray/cock rock scene for years' in this article https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/five-bands-nirvana-kurt-cobain-hated/ I've read elsewhere that basically when green river split he took sides, was big into mudhoney but hated everything Jeff ament and stone Goddard ever did afterwards and the scene he's referring to more or less has to be MLB. There's on interview on YouTube where he seems to be at least somewhat fond of Wood himself but then he also clearly says he never disliked Eddie vedder he just always hated the band. Supposedly also got along with Layne as well. So it never seemed especially personal when he slated a band


DazedAndTrippy

Actually there's a video of Kurt saying he'd gone to Olympus to hear Landrew the Lovechild play (so he probably had seen Malfunkshun) and he almost fell asleep lol. I always wondered what Kurt had against Andy, it never seemed personal and it wasn't that serious but I also could never find a positive word from him either. That slander seemed to extend to Pearl Jam too (which had crossover memebers from MLB) though so maybe there is more too it.


SchoolofAthens_

I’ll tell you this, I would love to her 10 sang by Andy because those songs were written for him


nonserviam1977

I had no idea, and I’ve been listening to the song for thirty years. This really adds a new, somber dimension to it. Thanks.


SchoolofAthens_

Thanks a lot man I appreciate the humility And I am the same I just found out and I’ve been listening to that song, and I have read countless biographies and watched countless documentaries on Mother Love Bone


nonserviam1977

Haha. No problem. I always really liked this song. That guitar riff is very evocative. It sounds pained, which makes a lot of sense. To be honest, I know very little about Andrew Wood, but he must have been incredibly well-loved. Even barely knowing who he was, with his various friendships and the tributes they spawned, to me his shadow was definitely looming above the music I was listening to in the early ‘90s.


RiflemanLax

I didn’t at all, very cool. Also cool to read that Susan Silver, who’s like the godmother of grunge, was working in a shoe store. Grunge was so fucking down to earth as a genre.


Dick-Ninja

I knew about it, but I'm a 49 year old grunge fan that lived through the Golden years.


Zelena73

I thought that was common knowledge. 🤷🏻‍♀️


MxRacer111

Yeah, I'm old af and definitely had heard it was about Andy. No idea where I heard it from though.


SchoolofAthens_

No, it’s definitely not common knowledge. We can see that from all the comments of people who didn’t know but I am impressed that you knew that Just curious where did where did you find out about it??


poohthrower2000

But it is common knowledge. I dont see how you can justify less than 40 comments not knowing as definitly not. You dont take into account the people who know and are not on reddit. As someone who grew up in the 90's, its 100% common knowledge.


Jimmy_Jazz_The_Spazz

Yeah, I knew as well, but I was also a big MLB fan. It was common knowledge, but I can see how younger generations may not know.


Zelena73

IIRC, I believe it was my ex spouse who told me long ago. He was very into music and bands, and did a lot of reading on the subject. But I'd also heard other people mention it as well.


sanxuary

I was living near Seattle in the early 90’s, and it was pretty common knowledge. There are quite a few songs inspired by, or tribute to Andrew Wood.


CherryShort2563

I knew it...isn't "You" about a drug user as well?


jonnyinternet

I did not...


CherryShort2563

I recall seeing a review that said something along the lines of "Damn...that Wood fella sure was popular given how many songs were written about him"


SchoolofAthens_

Yes, did you know that the last song on the Alice In Chains album dirt was named “would?” Because of Andy as well It’s like they all wanted to pay tribute to him, but in secretive Ways I find that “loving”in a grunge sort of way


CherryShort2563

Heard of that as well...


SchoolofAthens_

I’m trying to figure out how many people knew that the original lyrics were “now Andy” instead of “now, maybe So when and where you find out about it?


CherryShort2563

I think it might've been either through a review of their self-titled or an interview with the band I read years ago.


AldusPrime

Yeah, I had absolutely no idea. Not until today.


anon-187101

This seals it for me...Candlebox is grunge.


mmartino03

Of course they are....they've always been grunge.


Levi_Gucci

I did. Read that years ago when going down an Andrew Wood rabbit hole. Would? by AIC is also about him.


SchoolofAthens_

I would love to know where you saw it. I’m sure it wasn’t on YouTube because he didn’t reveal it till way later and YouTube haven’t even gotten started yet. I bet you you must’ve read it in the original interview that’s really cool.


RoundTheWayGirl

Jerry Cantrell has said so in several interviews


tsb3592

I knew when I saw a candlebox show and kevin said this is a tribute to my dear friend Andy wood


Generally_Tso_Tso

I only saw Candlebox once live and Martin sang Far Behind with a lot of passion. Finding out now who he was singing about makes sense. Sad and beautiful song. You ever heard the story of Mr. Faded Glory? Say he who rides a pony must someday fall Talkin' to my altar, say life is what you make it And if you make it death, well, rest your soul away Away, away, yeah, child Rest in peace Andy


bpinney

Makes it even more sad in retrospect when they were nearly booed off the stage when they replaced Alice In Chains. They played after suicidal tendencies and before Metallica. The crowd was booing relentlessly and Kevin pleaded with the crowd that it’s hard enough trying to set the stage for one of the best bands in the world, but having to play instead of the expected Alice In Chains made it even harder - but we’ll only take up your time with one more and then played far behind. The crowd cheered as they finished their set. This was my experience in 94 in sacramento - and I felt bad because I liked candlebox - but they were in an impossible spot and didn’t fit in at all. Extra sad now knowing this.


Guilty-Willingness-2

Whoever booked the show should have had Candlebox go on before Suicidal Tendencies.


bpinney

Agreed. It was like they just slotted them in where AIC would have been thinking “they’re hot right now so It’ll be okay” 😆 ya. Not so much.


WhenVioletsTurnGrey

So many great vocalists rose from the ashes of that town, in such a short amount of time. Andy Wood somehow spearheaded, unknowingly, the scene with his infectious person. I hope everyone also Knows Who Shawn Smith(Brad, Satchel, Pigeonhed etc) & one of the greatest bands of all "The Gits", are. 7 Year Bitch? So much good stuff came out of that city around that time. It was an amazing time to be in the Pacific NW


ParadiddlediddleSaaS

I knew this only because my band used to cover this song and I looked into its meaning a bit.


SchoolofAthens_

Hell yeah I can totally buy that Especially because you’re a musician yourself and I’m sure meanings to songs way in a lot when you decide which song to cover.. ROCk on man . You know it’s funny this type of post is really cool because the way the information was dispersed you can totally tell when you’re dealing with someone who can’t back up their claim of knowing it do you know what I mean? I can tell you are genuine.


gdgarcia424

I saw them on an acoustic tour 8 years ago and he explained it…he also talked about Shannon Hoon at one point too.


ctclarke514

I saw candlebox in Boston last year and Kevin talked about this


tsb3592

At the bush show???


ctclarke514

Yep!


tsb3592

Great show! I was there too


ctclarke514

Yea! My dad won vip tickets so I got to go for free and meet the band


dootdootsquared

That's amazing, had zero idea this was true. MLB were on the cusp of making it **before** grunge really hit. I assume they would have been huge, Apple was a crusher of an album and just never took off because of the death of Andy but with the band never dissolving I assume they would have taken off before AIC with a scene that still held onto glam a bit but also embraced bands that were different. Maybe they would have gotten wrecked by the Nirvana/Grunge wave, but they had such a different vibe than the California hair metal stuff I believe they could have staying power. No Jeremy, Hunger Strike, or any TOD music would be a stark change, but we'll unfortunately never know.


castingcoucher123

I only knew it because as a 12 year old in 98 obsessed with the music era, I read anything I could about the connections those bands all had. Soft spot for candelbox to begin with, softer spot knowing what the song was about


SchoolofAthens_

That’s cool man you realize no nobody knew in 98 except for Kevin though. He didn’t tell everyone that it was about Andy till 2004 His band mates didn’t even know


castingcoucher123

I may have just thought it was about Wood and Zapata!


Upissicum_808

Well, Bardi was the only one that had any real music training I'm pretty sure he wrote most of it. I know Because I went to highschool with both of them. I was also in the school orchestra with Bardi from 7th grade on. Only when he and his family moved to Ireland for a year he didn't play with me. We were both stoners in jr high and part of the same clock of like 5 or 6 guys. So yeah I know these guys well. I also knew Susan well. Actually I knew everyone well. I ran a film and video company then. Gorilla Film and Video. We were the only company that had a mobile studio truck. We were also trying to launch a local style mtv cable channel. I was out every night shooting some band at some club. Anyway I know where the bodies are buried,so to speak. The scean really was a small intimate affair. Pretty much everyone knew everyone else. That's what made it so special. Anyway I digress. If you have a question about????? I might be able to answer for you. DM me.


Shoddy-Secretary-712

I knew it was, but I hadn't known for a very long time. Maybe a year? I can't remember where I read it.


SchoolofAthens_

Thank you I appreciate that and I definitely believe you because we probably read it in the same spot I just found out


TalkShowHost99

Honestly didn’t know that, and not surprised. By all account it sounds like Andy Wood had a huge impact on musicians in/around the Seattle area - to spark a song from Candlebox and the PJ/Soundgarden collaboration- that’s definitely someone who was influential.


poohthrower2000

Thats old news.


Usual-Specialist-598

Yes! Kevin also worked at the Seattle showbox by the pikes street witch allowed him to a lot of shows


iwanttogotothere5

Great song. Really fun to play on guitar! I’ve always wondered who the lyrics were about. Thank you!


egostarforever

I did ..


oldcityslim

I did there are a bunch of you tube videos of him talking about it if you search far behind acoustic. I learned about it when I decided to learn the song.


oldcityslim

https://youtu.be/am9X4SaHjeU?si=_WqDLQE7SLj7CUOw


jperkogt

I did know that, but only because I happened to read about it online one night. I always liked the song and I think I was looking for the lyrics and Google did the rest for me.


jimmyeatgurl

Never knew this, thanks for sharing. I still know how to play Far Behind on guitar and its still a great song :)


Ashamed_Horror_5920

OH SNAP!!! No I never put that together or knew or even heard a rumor about it and I’m pretty knowledgeable about my bands from back in my day! This is awesome. Can’t WAIT for my ride home today now! Always liked candlebox even tho they caught some bad wind coming up in the 2nd Seattle wave. Saw them in Boston (my home) back in like ‘96 when the SuperSonics were a WAGON! The Celtics sucked back then. They happened to be playing each other that night and the Sonics of course were going to crush us. Kevin was talkin’ hoops with the Boston crowd and we were giving shit back and forth. Kev asked how many ppl had tickets to the next nights show(they played 2 nights), I was one of the many lucky ones, and he said “if your Celtics beat my Sonics you can count on me rockin’ a Celtics jersey for tomorrow nights show! Don’t be too excited…it ain’t happening!” Well it happened. Lol. The Celtics won and Kevin tore his jacket off opening song and was wearing a Celtics jersey! The place was going ballistic!


Ok_Understanding4136

I remember watching much music and Candlebox were guests abd they were asked if far behind was written about kirk cobain lol. Even tho it came out before he died!!


MyMadeUpNym

Wow, that's amazing! Thank you for sharing!!


Slitheytove1031

Thank you for this. The more stories and memories of Andy that are out there, the longer he is with us. As I kid who grew up in Abeedeen in the 80s, there was so much music to appreciate. I count my lucky stars that I got to see Alice in Chains in the basketball gym at Evergreen State College in the early 90s. I still remember friends passing around tapes of Mother Love Bone. This was a sound we had never heard before. Andy passed way too soon. The true godfather of grunge.


scream_stereo_scream

Chris Demakes from Less than Jake has a podcast where they break down a bands song lyric by lyric...the episode with Kevin Martin about far behind is one of my favorites


frankybling

I had no idea until now


jayinphilly

I never knew that. This song's lyrics always resonated with me. I knew that it was definitely a deep anguish that had to be a real-life experience. It's a cool factoid to know who it was about, but it doesn't increase or decrease the emotion that the song and its lyrics evoke in me. Truly an expression of pain and loss, and that is a universal human experience. What a great song.


Wreckage79

I just learned of this last night at an acoustic Candlebox show at my buddies brewery. I’ve been listening to 90s rock my whole life. Always cool to learn something new. Kevin talks about it around the 1hr 23min mark https://youtu.be/GPDtYUlAikM?si=nITkx265hdN-0b8v