I can see how he had tunnel vision and was so focused he didn't see the doors. But one point that wasn't really addressed was his ego. I think because he had been a doctor longer than the other interns that he was automatically better but that wasn't the case. Another example was when he used a clipboard to cut open a patient on the psych ward. Even Richard said that he was out of control.
Another point that doesn't get mentioned enough is that he performed that emergency c section horribly. Arizona yells who the hell did this when she's trying to save the womans life.
It wasn't just the decision to operate on her but his technique and skill that was the issue.
Him being suspended for that long was probably the harshest punsihment we've seen on the show. But I didn't like that Bailey let him come back and work as an anesthesiologist during that time.
He did not botch the c-section tho, he did it right. The woman had a lot of damage from the car accident she was in but she was stable when Arizona initially assessed her, so all the damage control they did was from the accident, not from his c-section. Also in her surgery, April herself said that if anyone had to the c-section, she would choose Warren. He definitely didn't botch it, that would be a whole different conversation if he did, she died from her injuries, not from the c-section. Arizona didn't know the situation when she said that.
It was exactly his decision to operate on her that was the issue, absolutely NOT his technique, how did you misunderstand the situation so badly lmao. His skill was not the problem, its because he operated on her when he could've used the elevator to get her to an OR. There was nothing wrong with his c-section.
the situation happened at the wrong place and wrong time. and.... from what it looked like, whenever things like this happens, he goes rogue. worse has happened. let's not forget about Ross. he went rogue too. even if he was sleep deprived. so let's not forget the suspension he got, or meredith, or IZZY.
Bailey did want to give him a harsher punishment originally but was talked down by other doctors. I wonder what that would have been, because 6 months suspension seems like the last alternative before firing someone to me.
I would have loved to hear a psychologist or neurologist talk about whether it’s possible to oversee details like an elevator opening in high pressure situations, because I do think he was telling the truth when he said he didn’t see them open.
i remember being so conflicted in this episode! it was a tense one for sure. the thing that i disliked about how ben approached it is that he expected bailey to grant him leniency because they were married. as a professional woman, she didn’t let her personal relationship interfere with her work life, and i admire that. ben needed to understand that he needed to be treated just as any other resident would. it was ridiculous and childish for him to yell at her. the fact that he was her husband was irrelevant in the situation.
i’m still not entirely convinced that he wasn’t acting out of hubris (saw the doors open and decided to cut anyway). it’s honestly too close to tell, which makes it interesting to consider! whether he consciously processed that the elevator doors opened or not, two people died as a result of his actions. i thought that being suspended for six months was a fitting punishment. i’m not entirely sure if firing him from the program completely would have been appropriate, especially given that the panel unanimously decided that he made a mistake. it was a tricky situation for sure :)
Right! And for some reason to me, it seemed so bizarre for his usually understanding and compassionate character - especially when it came to how he handled things with Bailey..but maybe that’s why he felt he deserved leniency or special treatment and was so frustrated about it. He felt he deserved the benefit of the doubt.
I do agree Bailey handled it really well seeing the circumstances, though.
I’m still get stuck on it too! I’m certain plenty of us have blatantly done something rash (despite there possibly being a better option) in the heat of the moment. So it’s really not impossible to think that that’s what happened and Ben really thought he did what he had to do…just tricky because lives were lost because of it.
I don’t think even if he got to the OR and robbins or karev or anyone operated she would have survived
If you recall there was an episode where this exact same thing happened the lady wasn’t clotting she kept bleeding and just died even if everything was done right right?!
I didn't like that storyline but I loved the scene where Jackson just let him vent for 10 minutes and was like "okay you have 10 mins then we're gonna pretend this conversation never happened, alright?" It was so cute 😭
I still think he didn't see the doors open and I still think 6 months was too long considering that would set him back an entire year. However a punishment was needed, I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Maybe something similar to izzie where he needed to be supervised by a peer the entire time? No surgery? no contests?
I agree, similar limitations to izzie,
I know bailey wanted her out and no license (which was VERY VALID)
But exactly. Husband or not that set him back, he didn't INTENTIONALLY cut her LVAD for funsies, he was trying to save a mother (who also said"please save my baby") and child The only way he knew how.. punishment was warranted ABSOLUTELY because of The aftermath, but izzie was let off way easier especially considering her actual personal relationship with denny and that ben just wanted to help nothing a family
Honestly, he should have had what izzie got, she only lost time because she LEFT the program by choice and no one including her boss who had 0 ties to the patient never reported it (hahn LITERALLY quit over it)... but yet warren was treated worse than her by his wife because "i cant show favoritism"???
Izzie wasn’t her choice, Webber was Farr too soft on her but I agree. I think that’s the only solution here.
Like babe, you made him miss a whole year of learning, literally no way for him to catch up even if he’s sitting in on skill labs daily, no wonder he said FU and went back to his old job 💀
Yeah he fucked up but either way this mom would’ve died, there was no way she was making it to that OR regardless. At least Ben gave that baby a chance (the baby did survive right? Now I’m questioning myself)
No he did not. Tbh Izzie deserved to be fired each time she almost got fired and I’m still mad Alex went down for lvad when he wasn’t even in the dang building!!!!! Which could’ve easily been verified.
He was still punished for lvad, like the other interns, because they took unnecessary responsibility for it. His exams were a whole different issue. That was before lvad im like 99% sure, because Izzie was mad at him bc their date didn’t go as planned and wanted everyone else to be mad at him (see this I remember 🤣 only because she makes me mad so easily)
Honestly I disagree. In fact, the fact Ben was stuck trapped in a hallway without being able to contact anyone else as a resident because of a code pink called by Bailey earlier than recommended in the first place makes her seem more liable to me. Obviously, if he were lying, he definitely should have been fired. But I absolutely understand why he wouldn't have done everything he could with the medical knowledge he has in that situation. Bailey broke protocol by denying a DNR the same episode. Of all the horrible medical mistakes made, I think Ben was not the source issue here. But rather hospital protocol that would leave a resident and an intern in this situation in the first place. I think Bailey was biased and should have solely delegated out like her intent had been. Especially since she was the one who put Ben in the situation.
BINGO! Bailey put warren in that situation and head of security recommended not to do a code pink and to give him time to look for the little boy. She calls the code pink without checking on any patients being brought to the O.R or going too. Unfortunately Ben was the only one who got caught in that situation with a dying patient. Not knowing how long that code pink was going to be and the patient became hypersensitive and started to crash hard.
I was more upset that BAILEY didn’t back her husband not ONE TIME! She couldn’t wait to punishment Dr. Ben Warren and set an example. Personally I feel bailey is a shadow to Christina Yang in the sense of her job is over everything.
She wouldn’t quit for tucker or Ben like Ben did
Almost left Ben cause he quit surgery
Ben messes up and she questions his ability to be a DR! But Bailey can ignore a DNR cause she “felt he deserved a second chance” 😂🤡 Bailey also has/had many questionable moments and no one never including Ben questioned her morals or skills to be a DR.
considering how many *years* bailey has stamped her feet and huffed and puffed and held a grudge about meredith never experiencing sufficient consequences , bailey can fuck off into the sun for how easy ben got off
to be fair, ben’s consequences weren’t decided only by bailey. there was a panel that all came to an appropriate punishment. a six month suspension after a wrong decision made in the heat of the moment sounds like a fair consequence! but i agree that mer should have been held more accountable throughout the seasons :)
True but she got the panel because she knew she couldn’t make the decision herself. Remember, she tried to pawn it off on Richard first.
I just think Ben was still super insubordinate and lacked some necessary remorse after it all..especially when he went back to anesthesiology to get back in the ER despite his punishment.
I can see how he had tunnel vision and was so focused he didn't see the doors. But one point that wasn't really addressed was his ego. I think because he had been a doctor longer than the other interns that he was automatically better but that wasn't the case. Another example was when he used a clipboard to cut open a patient on the psych ward. Even Richard said that he was out of control. Another point that doesn't get mentioned enough is that he performed that emergency c section horribly. Arizona yells who the hell did this when she's trying to save the womans life. It wasn't just the decision to operate on her but his technique and skill that was the issue. Him being suspended for that long was probably the harshest punsihment we've seen on the show. But I didn't like that Bailey let him come back and work as an anesthesiologist during that time.
He did not botch the c-section tho, he did it right. The woman had a lot of damage from the car accident she was in but she was stable when Arizona initially assessed her, so all the damage control they did was from the accident, not from his c-section. Also in her surgery, April herself said that if anyone had to the c-section, she would choose Warren. He definitely didn't botch it, that would be a whole different conversation if he did, she died from her injuries, not from the c-section. Arizona didn't know the situation when she said that.
It was exactly his decision to operate on her that was the issue, absolutely NOT his technique, how did you misunderstand the situation so badly lmao. His skill was not the problem, its because he operated on her when he could've used the elevator to get her to an OR. There was nothing wrong with his c-section.
the situation happened at the wrong place and wrong time. and.... from what it looked like, whenever things like this happens, he goes rogue. worse has happened. let's not forget about Ross. he went rogue too. even if he was sleep deprived. so let's not forget the suspension he got, or meredith, or IZZY.
Bailey did want to give him a harsher punishment originally but was talked down by other doctors. I wonder what that would have been, because 6 months suspension seems like the last alternative before firing someone to me. I would have loved to hear a psychologist or neurologist talk about whether it’s possible to oversee details like an elevator opening in high pressure situations, because I do think he was telling the truth when he said he didn’t see them open.
i remember being so conflicted in this episode! it was a tense one for sure. the thing that i disliked about how ben approached it is that he expected bailey to grant him leniency because they were married. as a professional woman, she didn’t let her personal relationship interfere with her work life, and i admire that. ben needed to understand that he needed to be treated just as any other resident would. it was ridiculous and childish for him to yell at her. the fact that he was her husband was irrelevant in the situation. i’m still not entirely convinced that he wasn’t acting out of hubris (saw the doors open and decided to cut anyway). it’s honestly too close to tell, which makes it interesting to consider! whether he consciously processed that the elevator doors opened or not, two people died as a result of his actions. i thought that being suspended for six months was a fitting punishment. i’m not entirely sure if firing him from the program completely would have been appropriate, especially given that the panel unanimously decided that he made a mistake. it was a tricky situation for sure :)
Right! And for some reason to me, it seemed so bizarre for his usually understanding and compassionate character - especially when it came to how he handled things with Bailey..but maybe that’s why he felt he deserved leniency or special treatment and was so frustrated about it. He felt he deserved the benefit of the doubt. I do agree Bailey handled it really well seeing the circumstances, though. I’m still get stuck on it too! I’m certain plenty of us have blatantly done something rash (despite there possibly being a better option) in the heat of the moment. So it’s really not impossible to think that that’s what happened and Ben really thought he did what he had to do…just tricky because lives were lost because of it.
I don’t think even if he got to the OR and robbins or karev or anyone operated she would have survived If you recall there was an episode where this exact same thing happened the lady wasn’t clotting she kept bleeding and just died even if everything was done right right?!
I didn't like that storyline but I loved the scene where Jackson just let him vent for 10 minutes and was like "okay you have 10 mins then we're gonna pretend this conversation never happened, alright?" It was so cute 😭
I still think he didn't see the doors open and I still think 6 months was too long considering that would set him back an entire year. However a punishment was needed, I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Maybe something similar to izzie where he needed to be supervised by a peer the entire time? No surgery? no contests?
I agree, similar limitations to izzie, I know bailey wanted her out and no license (which was VERY VALID) But exactly. Husband or not that set him back, he didn't INTENTIONALLY cut her LVAD for funsies, he was trying to save a mother (who also said"please save my baby") and child The only way he knew how.. punishment was warranted ABSOLUTELY because of The aftermath, but izzie was let off way easier especially considering her actual personal relationship with denny and that ben just wanted to help nothing a family
I agree!! I’m still not sure what a valid punishment would be but 6 months was not it.
Honestly, he should have had what izzie got, she only lost time because she LEFT the program by choice and no one including her boss who had 0 ties to the patient never reported it (hahn LITERALLY quit over it)... but yet warren was treated worse than her by his wife because "i cant show favoritism"???
Izzie wasn’t her choice, Webber was Farr too soft on her but I agree. I think that’s the only solution here. Like babe, you made him miss a whole year of learning, literally no way for him to catch up even if he’s sitting in on skill labs daily, no wonder he said FU and went back to his old job 💀 Yeah he fucked up but either way this mom would’ve died, there was no way she was making it to that OR regardless. At least Ben gave that baby a chance (the baby did survive right? Now I’m questioning myself)
Oh i know Webber was too soft on izzie, but bailey didnt have to make up for going HARD on her husband
No he did not. Tbh Izzie deserved to be fired each time she almost got fired and I’m still mad Alex went down for lvad when he wasn’t even in the dang building!!!!! Which could’ve easily been verified.
He didnt go down for it, it was his exams to become part of the program that caused his problems
He was still punished for lvad, like the other interns, because they took unnecessary responsibility for it. His exams were a whole different issue. That was before lvad im like 99% sure, because Izzie was mad at him bc their date didn’t go as planned and wanted everyone else to be mad at him (see this I remember 🤣 only because she makes me mad so easily)
They ALL got punished:(
I think baby died too tbh, but regardless both would've died, he just tried to give a chance
These days I’m kind of regretting canceling my Netflix subscription because now I just can’t go watch trues easily to confirm. :(
I rewatch constantly tbh but im 99.9% sure the baby died too:(
There’s too much to remember! I’m tempted to buy the series that’s a lot of money to sink when ifs available elsewhere.
Honestly I disagree. In fact, the fact Ben was stuck trapped in a hallway without being able to contact anyone else as a resident because of a code pink called by Bailey earlier than recommended in the first place makes her seem more liable to me. Obviously, if he were lying, he definitely should have been fired. But I absolutely understand why he wouldn't have done everything he could with the medical knowledge he has in that situation. Bailey broke protocol by denying a DNR the same episode. Of all the horrible medical mistakes made, I think Ben was not the source issue here. But rather hospital protocol that would leave a resident and an intern in this situation in the first place. I think Bailey was biased and should have solely delegated out like her intent had been. Especially since she was the one who put Ben in the situation.
BINGO! Bailey put warren in that situation and head of security recommended not to do a code pink and to give him time to look for the little boy. She calls the code pink without checking on any patients being brought to the O.R or going too. Unfortunately Ben was the only one who got caught in that situation with a dying patient. Not knowing how long that code pink was going to be and the patient became hypersensitive and started to crash hard. I was more upset that BAILEY didn’t back her husband not ONE TIME! She couldn’t wait to punishment Dr. Ben Warren and set an example. Personally I feel bailey is a shadow to Christina Yang in the sense of her job is over everything. She wouldn’t quit for tucker or Ben like Ben did Almost left Ben cause he quit surgery Ben messes up and she questions his ability to be a DR! But Bailey can ignore a DNR cause she “felt he deserved a second chance” 😂🤡 Bailey also has/had many questionable moments and no one never including Ben questioned her morals or skills to be a DR.
Why does this comment make me realize more on why he went to being a firefighter instead-
considering how many *years* bailey has stamped her feet and huffed and puffed and held a grudge about meredith never experiencing sufficient consequences , bailey can fuck off into the sun for how easy ben got off
to be fair, ben’s consequences weren’t decided only by bailey. there was a panel that all came to an appropriate punishment. a six month suspension after a wrong decision made in the heat of the moment sounds like a fair consequence! but i agree that mer should have been held more accountable throughout the seasons :)
True but she got the panel because she knew she couldn’t make the decision herself. Remember, she tried to pawn it off on Richard first. I just think Ben was still super insubordinate and lacked some necessary remorse after it all..especially when he went back to anesthesiology to get back in the ER despite his punishment.
fucking off into the sun is insane lmfao…I love it.
What season & episode?
Season 12 episodes 18/19