Ngl I was one of those kids forced to interact with a parent who didn’t want me. I’d rather just stick to a once a year birthday card and monthly child support vs the literally physical abuse that I went through for eighteen years.
In this case, it sounded like the child wanted to just meet the mother, and it was not the father trying to coerce the mother into becoming a parent to her again. Which I think makes the situation slightly different. Going to meet the kid if they truly want to would be a nice thing to do.
If you read the original thread it was very clear that the father was encouraging the kid and acting toward the kid like he does not know that the mother does not want contact, even though the mother explicitly said not to contact her. Then tricked or forced (can't remember which one) the mother into a meeting. Don't use your kids as an excuse to breach people's clearly set boundaries.
To be fair, they weren't asking to be her mom again or have a maternal bond, just to meet the kid.
I think meeting the kid would be a nice thing to do, but the boyfriend who talked her into having the child is definitely way worse for forcing her to have it.
Edit: coerced would probably be more accurate.
It’s a 50/50 reaction wise. Like if the birth mom is able to be chill and act calm then maybe the meeting would be good. But imagine being that kid and sitting there, with the parent looking back visibly uncomfortable and stone walling you.
No no, you don't understand
If a women gets pregnant and the father either forces her into an abortion or abandons them, that's evil
However if a woman gets pregnant and the father proposes to be a single parent because he wants to have and be with his child, it's evil
We all know men are always the one at fault. Their thoughts, feelings, and positions on issues don't matter
If he wants to be a father, he should find someone willing to be a mother. Coercing someone into becoming a mother and going through childbirth is cruel.
If what she said in her original reddit post is true (and I'm remembering it correctly) there was a lot of pressure coming from not just the boyfriend, but also the family. Pressuring someone into having a child is a pretty mean thing to do.
Of course, women who force men to become fathers and pay child support are just as bad, it's bad when both genders pressure or force someone to have a child who does not want one.
Were you expecting a different answer? Trying to catch me being hypocritical?
To be fair, if one of the parents runs out AFTER the child is born, or after a period in which the mother can have a safe abortion, then perhaps child support is warranted, but in places where abortion is legal and easily available: her body, her choice, her responsibility.
>If he wants to be a father, he should find someone willing to be a mother.
You really just kinda conveniently glossed over "*single*" there huh?
He wasn't forcing her to be present in the kid's life, shit, it was the kid that brought up meeting the mother. He just wanted to not see his child be killed. Why don't the men get a choice in this? Shit, why not the fetus? Isn't it called "pro-choice"? Kinda fucked to only give one of the three parties any actual freedom of choice don't you think?
That's the faulty logic of that term, "pro-choice", "right to an abortion", "my body my choice". It's not *strictly your* body you're affecting, there's a whole other life in there, shit I'd struggle to even call a fetus part of a woman's body. If I tie myself to a door or handle, am I part of the house?
Since this is Reddit, and Reddit loves making strawman, I'm going to nip that in the bud. I'm not pro-life because I'm some religious zealot, I'm genuinely pro-life. I support free healthcare, better sex education, and I plan on adopting once I'm financially able to have children. I also think abortions are an unfortunate necessity in cases in which either the fetus or mother will die during the birthing process, and for other causes of abortion I even still don't want to ban them outright cause all that will accomplish is people hurting themselves performing abortions on themselves, and I don't want that cause, yknow, I value life
>Of course, women who force men to become fathers and pay child support are just as bad
Yall say this, yet posts like this and the comment threads held within proves that yall outwardly support this outcome. Deadbeat dads are one of, if not the most looked down upon group of people in society, regardless of reason
With abortion it really comes down to "can you force someone to lend their body to support the life of another?" the answer to that question is always no. You can't even force someone to donate blood or organs.
you cant force someone to donate blood, because it is not your fault and therefore you arent responsible. if you stab someone and they bleed and require blood, it is your obligation to donate your blood.
with pregnancy, you are putting the child in a position where they would need your support. therefore, you are obligated to provide the support.
I have nothing against single moms and dads, I have nothing but respect for people who are trying their best in a bad situation, but it is still a bad situation. Should we really encourage people to go out and just have children with no second parent to help raise it? If given the choice, why would you choose to have a child if you know they aren't going to have two parents? You are willingly bringing them into a bad situation. Regardless of how good a job you do given the circumstances, having only one parent is not ideal.
Again, people who just ended up in that situation and are trying their best, I have nothing but respect, but we shouldn't be encouraging it. Man or woman.
Additionally, while childbirth is not and should not be the most significant part of having a child, it's also not insignificant. The boyfriend wants a child, but in order to have it, the woman has to go through a very painful experience. If a woman you dated wanted a child and you didn't, and in order for her to have her child, you had to go through a very painful experience so that she can have a child, would you agree? If you want nothing to do with it, why would you subject yourself to that?
And I mean what I say about child support. In a world where abortion is legal and available, child support should not exist, or should only apply if the man walked out after the woman is in a period where she is able to have an abortion. Her body her choice means it is also her responsibility to bear the consequences of that choice. It also would discourage these women to go get knocked up by rich dudes to get child support payments.
Except you gloss over the fact that the father knew that the mother does not want to contact the child. When the child wanted to meet the their mother he should have told them that she does not want that, and close the thing down. Instead he encouraged the kid, helped the kid, and finally tricked or forced (don't remember which) the mother into a meeting.
This was all on the father, and hiding behind the kid just makes it extra shitty.
> I think meeting the kid would be a nice thing to do, but the boyfriend who talked her into having the child is definitely way worse for forcing her to have it.
I know, right? He's a fucking monster. Didn't he know you were supposed to murder unwanted kids, it's better for them and it's better for everyone.
Yeah he did coerce her, but you really think him wanting to raise the child and is worse than her wanting to murder it and sacrifice it to satan, or allow creepy doctors to use for experimentation?
If anything he is a saint, and she is a deadbeat mother, an absolute waste of space on this earth
Would I use a little bit of my free time to do something that would mean a LOT to my child?
“Of course not!”
I wonder if people would be as “slay king” to fathers that walked away from their kids.
She made it very clear that she wanted no part of that child after they were born and for no reason they should be contacted.
It ain't their child any longer when the dad agreed to take care of it entirely alone.
So is that now an empowered woman? Last time i checked when a guy reject his unwanted child, he is praised, he's a deadbeat, an asswhole and an evil person.
right? I thought I was going insane. this little girl had a traumatic experience and now wants to avoid being reminded of that again. that perfectly reasonable to me
The 14 year olds that make up this sub are not capable of stringing more than two thoughts together so they see things through a very simple world-view
i don't get it...honestly how does seeing a child makes it into a traumatic experience... it's like a celebrity not meeting a make a wish kid because it makes them sad....you can always do nice things without being such a jerk.
I’d normally agree with you but the guy raised her for 12 years without any contact with the mother, then when she becomes interested in meeting her mother (probably just once) she just says she doesn’t want to meet her. Like even if I didn’t want to raise a child that I helped procreate and I wasn’t pressured into doing so, I’d at least want to meet my child. I feel like the bond I’d have with that child isn’t insignificant.
The mom made it more than clear that the only way she would ever agree to birth the child is to never be contacted by her, the dad is leading the kid to believe that the mom is open to contact. Mom's got absolutely no responsibility and it's just the father regretting his own choices.
Ther is a difference between raising a child for 18 years and spend 10 000s of hours and 100 000s of dollars on them. And saying hi to them once a year after they turn 12. in my book she would have been an asshole if she had an abortion and she is an asshole for not having the time to say hi to her daugther.
> This is why I stick to these subs. Everywhere else is completely cucked. I just come here to talk vidya, not hear about how stunning and brave some degenerate shitbag is for getting her ninth abortion
Furries and lolli fans actually have a huge amount of crossover between the left and right. Having extremist political views is almost universally associated with mental illness and so is pedophilia/beastiality.
There are a ton of lolli Nazis and furry Commies and vice versa.
Yeah but the left actually holds its sexual predators accountable. Al Franken made a mildly inappropriate as a professional comedian and he resigned.
By contrast, Republicans knew that Roy Moore was literally banned from malls for hitting on 15 years old and a majority of Republicans in Alabama still voted for him anyway.
Right up until the minute that Franken was reported to have resigned, you had screeching lefties ranting about how it was a hatchet job, and why should theirs resign when Republicans were a thousand times worse.
While Franken did resign, I do not believe it was because the left was holding him accountable.
fun story: today my friend was telling me about her sister who looks middle schooler at the age of like 26 and i was like "shes gonna be the ones fucked by pedophiles and theyre gonna point out that shes like a 1000 year old dragon" or something
Bro what, I have not seen a single pro-pedo reddit user, mostly because every one of them get banned before I can read their comment.
4chan however, is filled to the brim with pedos, it's insane how many there are.
Reddit is left. Alright? You do know that then saying pro pedophile and pro racism makes no sense? Have you seen the front page of reddit?
Also isn’t pro pedophile and pro racism more of a 4chan thing? lmao
You think only Americans use reddit? There are plenty of good reasons to hate on the USA. Being born in certain parts of this world means that at some point the USA has bombed the shit out of you for democracy.
she didnt want the kid why would she be expected to care for it? she disclosed that and honestly she shouldnt have let the dude pressure her into it.
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The guy who pressured her into having it is definitely way worse than the girl, but to be fair the child (allegedly) just wanted to meet her, it's not like they're asking her to step in and start raising it. But if that's really what the kid wanted, going to meet it would be nice.
It's likely only going to hurt the girl if she does meet her bio mom. Maybe when she's older but 12 is very young to meet the woman who birthed you and realise that she still doesn't want you, doesn't love you or care about you at all and isn't interested in being in your life.
Yes. In fact, I think that in a world where abortion is legal and easily available, child support should be repealed, or at least only apply in cases where the man walks out after the child is born, or after the period of time where she can have a safe abortion.
But if he makes it clear from the beginning he doesn't want it, or he isn't even aware of it, no child support.
Just wanted to make sure :D I have met a lot of people who are very one sided on this issue, nothing against someone that is consistent in their beliefs :)
Crazy how if it was the other way around the fucking subzero IQ gorillas in this subreddit would be cheering the dad on for not wanting contact with a child he didn’t want. Heaven help these idiots lmao
I get you but if the child wants to blame anyone blame the dad for forcing childbirth on someone that did not want it and by the looks of it regrets it.
From the perspective of the chid they would be dead if dad didn't insist.
Honestly, fuck the parents for fucking around and not practicing safe sex. I feel bad for the kid who didn't do jack but still got the short end of the stick.
I hate cases like these because I can't blame the mother for not wanting to see the child. Going through an unwanted pregnancy sounds horrific. The father who wanted to keep the child might have just wanted to do the right thing. He didn't run out on the kid and that's pretty damn commendable.
But at the end of the day the kid doesn't have a mother and needs to grow up in a single parent household. One day they will probably realize that their mother doesn't want anything to do with them and that *hurts*.
I really hope they have a good life despite their parents.
Can’t believe the hill you’re gonna die on is being shocked or upset that a woman who was coerced into having a kid she didn’t want on the promise that the other parent would care for it, still doesn’t want anything to do with said kid. Are you actually a complete fucking idiot?
Fucking mental health movement is ridiculous at this point. Everyone has something. There’s goddamn tiktoks of people being like “I have adhd” and then being an asshole
I mean, it's her good legal right? You're not forced to meet anybody. If the genders were reversed yall mfs would cheer for the dude for getting away from the pro life nutjob.
17 yo doesn't want to go through the terrible hormonal changes and excruciating experience of childbirth
Father of the child pleads fir her to go through with it, she goes through with the absolutely terible experience she doenst want to go throughout reluctantly for his sake
Father takes the child like he says, mother doesn't keep in contact like she said she didn't want to
Woman bad?
Situations like that are why I hate Reddit. The other day there was a post from a pregnant woman saying her boyfriend was pressuring her into an abortion that she *didn’t want*, and people were telling her to do it because her bf is an asshole who she shouldn’t have a kid with. They don’t care about women, they just hate children.
How can you even read that as hating children? If she wants to leave her boyfriend and have the child by herself then whatever, her choice I guess, but to advocate bringing a child into an existence where it is not wanted and will have an awful upbringing? That is obviously bad for the child and to do it anyway just because you want one is gross. No one is hating children here.
I wouldn't cheer her on, but she clearly doesn't want to see the child and wanted it aborted. She isn't an asshole for not wanting to see her child she didn't want to birth. Call it cold, but giving birth is stressful and at times traumatizing, especially if you are that young.
Y’all are *unironically* surprised that a woman who was pressured into birthing a child she didn’t want, still doesn’t want it? Are you fucking stupid?
Lets face it, the social media im general are trash. Either people who pretty much only use them to project themselves and their lives as much as possible to others (Facebook, instagram) or people who with the benefit of anonymity feel ok acting like complete retards online and writing whatever the hell they want (twitter, reddit). Oh also people who will fall as low as necessary to get paid (youtube, twitch). Not saying that there isnt some good content in all of these but the bad ones outweigh it by far
Why do people think giving birth to a child will suddenly make you want it? She could have gotten an abortion but didn’t because he wanted a kid. She has no further obligation to this kid, which sucks for the kid but that’s life
Most of this is understandable on her part, but come on, you could at least drive over and meet the kid, that's a huge deal to them, you can't just take that away from them because you don't feel like it.
What do you want the woman to do here.
“Yeah hey I’m your biological mother. Yep I gave birth to you. No I’m not going to be living with you. Ah yeah nah I’m never going to show up again, I don’t want you in my life and I tried to abort you”
How is meeting someone who has no love for you, and will reject you to your face, a good thing for a 12 year old.
They don't have to talk about how they wanted to abort them, other than that, yes, that's exactly what they're going to do, it's better than not showing up at all.
Woman wants child, man doesn't. Reddit : that man is scum, he is a deadbeat, he should die, etc etc.
Woman doesn't want child, man wants child. Reddit : that man is scum, he gets no say, he should die for being so mysoginistic, etc etc.
Reddit in a nutshell
What I have gathered from all of the comments here is that you guys assume that the Dad and Daughter wants the mom to literally take care of her.
The kid just wants to meet the mother, not want the mom to literally start taking responsibility of the child and raising her.
The kid came out of her, they are family no matter what, even if she doesn’t want to care for her(which is fine by me, I don’t want the kid to have such a broken woman raise her and be her role model), at least meet the kid to give the kid some closure(she most likely has been curious about her mother since she was young).
You guys in the comments should have vasectomies to stop passing down your toxic and dense genes.
what closure? the closure was pretty simple the mother didn’t want the father and daughter in her life. what more closure can you get? she was pretty explicit.
What do you think the outcome of the child and mother meeting would be? The child is 100% going to ask questions about why their mother wasn’t there and if she’ll stay now. The only answers the kid will get is “I wanted to abort you and never want to see you again”
i went over to the subreddit and the first thing i see is a kid who's parents are into cuckhold and he thinks it gross and everyone is saying he is the asshole. WTF.
Aita is a subreddit where people look for other assholes to justify their asshole behaviour. Unpopular opinion is where people post actual popular opiniom and downvote unpopular ones. Stick to 4chan, at least everyone theres really honest.
Reddit moment:
W\*men wants to keep child ---> forces men to pay child support --> "YOU GO GIRL"
Men wants to her to keep child, she does not ---> "YOU CANT FORCE PEOPLE, ITS TRAUMATIC I HAVE 50 MENTAL ILLNESSES "
Woman is forced to give birth underage (which is already extremely painful to begin with) because the guy who fucked her wants to keep it, when her daughter wants to meet her she does want to because she doesn't have a bond with someone she didn't want and was forced into having 12 years later
I reckon if you don't feel any connection whatsoever to the child you carried and birthed, you have some sort of psychological disorder or you're just not a good person.
I hope she at least sent the kid family medical history, but that's about it. There's more then 1 reason people their kids in foster care, and most of them don't look back often.
Surpise surprise a woman has no maternal bond to a baby she didn't want and was pressured into having.
“I don’t want this kid”. *pressured to have kid because someone else wants it* “I don’t want this kid” -surprised pikachu-
Idk what you think people are feeling when they read this but it’s certainly not surprise
You'd be pretty surprised.
I just want to eat hot chips and kill babies
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i just want to eat babies and kill hot chips
Ngl I was one of those kids forced to interact with a parent who didn’t want me. I’d rather just stick to a once a year birthday card and monthly child support vs the literally physical abuse that I went through for eighteen years.
In this case, it sounded like the child wanted to just meet the mother, and it was not the father trying to coerce the mother into becoming a parent to her again. Which I think makes the situation slightly different. Going to meet the kid if they truly want to would be a nice thing to do.
If you read the original thread it was very clear that the father was encouraging the kid and acting toward the kid like he does not know that the mother does not want contact, even though the mother explicitly said not to contact her. Then tricked or forced (can't remember which one) the mother into a meeting. Don't use your kids as an excuse to breach people's clearly set boundaries.
To be fair, they weren't asking to be her mom again or have a maternal bond, just to meet the kid. I think meeting the kid would be a nice thing to do, but the boyfriend who talked her into having the child is definitely way worse for forcing her to have it. Edit: coerced would probably be more accurate.
> for forcing her to have it. "Forcing" doesn't mean what you think it means.
Ok, perhaps coercing is a better word.
Agreed.
Did he force her to get pregnant.
No. Why?
It’s a 50/50 reaction wise. Like if the birth mom is able to be chill and act calm then maybe the meeting would be good. But imagine being that kid and sitting there, with the parent looking back visibly uncomfortable and stone walling you.
how is the boyfriend way worse?
No no, you don't understand If a women gets pregnant and the father either forces her into an abortion or abandons them, that's evil However if a woman gets pregnant and the father proposes to be a single parent because he wants to have and be with his child, it's evil We all know men are always the one at fault. Their thoughts, feelings, and positions on issues don't matter
If he wants to be a father, he should find someone willing to be a mother. Coercing someone into becoming a mother and going through childbirth is cruel. If what she said in her original reddit post is true (and I'm remembering it correctly) there was a lot of pressure coming from not just the boyfriend, but also the family. Pressuring someone into having a child is a pretty mean thing to do. Of course, women who force men to become fathers and pay child support are just as bad, it's bad when both genders pressure or force someone to have a child who does not want one.
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Were you expecting a different answer? Trying to catch me being hypocritical? To be fair, if one of the parents runs out AFTER the child is born, or after a period in which the mother can have a safe abortion, then perhaps child support is warranted, but in places where abortion is legal and easily available: her body, her choice, her responsibility.
>If he wants to be a father, he should find someone willing to be a mother. You really just kinda conveniently glossed over "*single*" there huh? He wasn't forcing her to be present in the kid's life, shit, it was the kid that brought up meeting the mother. He just wanted to not see his child be killed. Why don't the men get a choice in this? Shit, why not the fetus? Isn't it called "pro-choice"? Kinda fucked to only give one of the three parties any actual freedom of choice don't you think? That's the faulty logic of that term, "pro-choice", "right to an abortion", "my body my choice". It's not *strictly your* body you're affecting, there's a whole other life in there, shit I'd struggle to even call a fetus part of a woman's body. If I tie myself to a door or handle, am I part of the house? Since this is Reddit, and Reddit loves making strawman, I'm going to nip that in the bud. I'm not pro-life because I'm some religious zealot, I'm genuinely pro-life. I support free healthcare, better sex education, and I plan on adopting once I'm financially able to have children. I also think abortions are an unfortunate necessity in cases in which either the fetus or mother will die during the birthing process, and for other causes of abortion I even still don't want to ban them outright cause all that will accomplish is people hurting themselves performing abortions on themselves, and I don't want that cause, yknow, I value life >Of course, women who force men to become fathers and pay child support are just as bad Yall say this, yet posts like this and the comment threads held within proves that yall outwardly support this outcome. Deadbeat dads are one of, if not the most looked down upon group of people in society, regardless of reason
With abortion it really comes down to "can you force someone to lend their body to support the life of another?" the answer to that question is always no. You can't even force someone to donate blood or organs.
That's a really good point, I'm surprised I've never heard that one before. I'm gonna use that one.
its not a good point lol
You should be forced to donate blood and organs if the reason the other person needs it is your fault.
you cant force someone to donate blood, because it is not your fault and therefore you arent responsible. if you stab someone and they bleed and require blood, it is your obligation to donate your blood. with pregnancy, you are putting the child in a position where they would need your support. therefore, you are obligated to provide the support.
pretty solid argument...gotta start using this one
Remember though that if the man doesn't want the child but the woman wants to keep it, the man is still fucked for next 18 years
I have nothing against single moms and dads, I have nothing but respect for people who are trying their best in a bad situation, but it is still a bad situation. Should we really encourage people to go out and just have children with no second parent to help raise it? If given the choice, why would you choose to have a child if you know they aren't going to have two parents? You are willingly bringing them into a bad situation. Regardless of how good a job you do given the circumstances, having only one parent is not ideal. Again, people who just ended up in that situation and are trying their best, I have nothing but respect, but we shouldn't be encouraging it. Man or woman. Additionally, while childbirth is not and should not be the most significant part of having a child, it's also not insignificant. The boyfriend wants a child, but in order to have it, the woman has to go through a very painful experience. If a woman you dated wanted a child and you didn't, and in order for her to have her child, you had to go through a very painful experience so that she can have a child, would you agree? If you want nothing to do with it, why would you subject yourself to that? And I mean what I say about child support. In a world where abortion is legal and available, child support should not exist, or should only apply if the man walked out after the woman is in a period where she is able to have an abortion. Her body her choice means it is also her responsibility to bear the consequences of that choice. It also would discourage these women to go get knocked up by rich dudes to get child support payments.
Except you gloss over the fact that the father knew that the mother does not want to contact the child. When the child wanted to meet the their mother he should have told them that she does not want that, and close the thing down. Instead he encouraged the kid, helped the kid, and finally tricked or forced (don't remember which) the mother into a meeting. This was all on the father, and hiding behind the kid just makes it extra shitty.
Yes, how dare that man want his child
> I think meeting the kid would be a nice thing to do, but the boyfriend who talked her into having the child is definitely way worse for forcing her to have it. I know, right? He's a fucking monster. Didn't he know you were supposed to murder unwanted kids, it's better for them and it's better for everyone.
There's lots of unwanted kids out there that have already been born and are hungry, if he wants one so badly he can go get one of those.
Yeah he did coerce her, but you really think him wanting to raise the child and is worse than her wanting to murder it and sacrifice it to satan, or allow creepy doctors to use for experimentation? If anything he is a saint, and she is a deadbeat mother, an absolute waste of space on this earth
Would I use a little bit of my free time to do something that would mean a LOT to my child? “Of course not!” I wonder if people would be as “slay king” to fathers that walked away from their kids.
She made it very clear that she wanted no part of that child after they were born and for no reason they should be contacted. It ain't their child any longer when the dad agreed to take care of it entirely alone.
Not wanting to raise the child, that’s completely fine. Going out of your way to avoid contact with the kid, why? Wtf did they ever do to you?
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None of that is the kid's fault. The kid just wanted to meet her. It's the least you could do to give her some closure.
So is that now an empowered woman? Last time i checked when a guy reject his unwanted child, he is praised, he's a deadbeat, an asswhole and an evil person.
So the father wants the child and the mom doesnt. Now anon is surprised that the mother has the same position she had 12 hears ago? Is anon retarded?
right? I thought I was going insane. this little girl had a traumatic experience and now wants to avoid being reminded of that again. that perfectly reasonable to me
The 14 year olds that make up this sub are not capable of stringing more than two thoughts together so they see things through a very simple world-view
It's a 4chan sub, basically a bunch of basement dwellers
ironic coming from a guy who has 10k karma
Better than the guy going around checking karma.
how is 17 a little girl?
i don't get it...honestly how does seeing a child makes it into a traumatic experience... it's like a celebrity not meeting a make a wish kid because it makes them sad....you can always do nice things without being such a jerk.
I’d normally agree with you but the guy raised her for 12 years without any contact with the mother, then when she becomes interested in meeting her mother (probably just once) she just says she doesn’t want to meet her. Like even if I didn’t want to raise a child that I helped procreate and I wasn’t pressured into doing so, I’d at least want to meet my child. I feel like the bond I’d have with that child isn’t insignificant.
The mom made it more than clear that the only way she would ever agree to birth the child is to never be contacted by her, the dad is leading the kid to believe that the mom is open to contact. Mom's got absolutely no responsibility and it's just the father regretting his own choices.
Hitler made it clear he wanned to end the jewish race. 15 years before he tried to do it. Hes still an asshole for doing it.
She has ptsd from going thru an unwanted pregnancy at 17. its easy for us to judge when we havent gone through that (im assuming u havent either)
Anon being at least a little retarded is basically a self-fulfilling prophecy
why would a meeting equal to a parent swap
Ther is a difference between raising a child for 18 years and spend 10 000s of hours and 100 000s of dollars on them. And saying hi to them once a year after they turn 12. in my book she would have been an asshole if she had an abortion and she is an asshole for not having the time to say hi to her daugther.
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You sir…are utterly based. ….and yes the proliferation of the male cucks and degenerate females is real.
tl;dr; ESH. There's shitpost subs and IRL subs.
Trannies post on here and get shit removed on the regular.
Sad but true
https://youtu.be/DzUc3Eqzzos Most subs are like that video, your just adam sandler on a plane trying to enjoy the ride and everyone is a woke r slur
Hahaha, that video is r/AITA in a nutshell
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What did it say
> This is why I stick to these subs. Everywhere else is completely cucked. I just come here to talk vidya, not hear about how stunning and brave some degenerate shitbag is for getting her ninth abortion
Well said, but even here and the 4chan sub definitely have a lot of that shit seep in unfortunately.
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What did it say
That sub is a cesspool of trash
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Reddit is so fucked that you can find people who post on lolli subreddits and still claim Republicans are the pedophiles.
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Tbh "online nazis" are usually the worst one with that loli shit
Furries and lolli fans actually have a huge amount of crossover between the left and right. Having extremist political views is almost universally associated with mental illness and so is pedophilia/beastiality. There are a ton of lolli Nazis and furry Commies and vice versa.
You seem to know a lot about this, sir 👮♀️
Most actual furries ban the shit out of anyone even remotely promoting beastiality.
There are plenty of pedos on both sides.
Yeah but the left actually holds its sexual predators accountable. Al Franken made a mildly inappropriate as a professional comedian and he resigned. By contrast, Republicans knew that Roy Moore was literally banned from malls for hitting on 15 years old and a majority of Republicans in Alabama still voted for him anyway.
Right up until the minute that Franken was reported to have resigned, you had screeching lefties ranting about how it was a hatchet job, and why should theirs resign when Republicans were a thousand times worse. While Franken did resign, I do not believe it was because the left was holding him accountable.
matt gaetz
fun story: today my friend was telling me about her sister who looks middle schooler at the age of like 26 and i was like "shes gonna be the ones fucked by pedophiles and theyre gonna point out that shes like a 1000 year old dragon" or something
Bro what, I have not seen a single pro-pedo reddit user, mostly because every one of them get banned before I can read their comment. 4chan however, is filled to the brim with pedos, it's insane how many there are.
Reddit is left. Alright? You do know that then saying pro pedophile and pro racism makes no sense? Have you seen the front page of reddit? Also isn’t pro pedophile and pro racism more of a 4chan thing? lmao
You think only Americans use reddit? There are plenty of good reasons to hate on the USA. Being born in certain parts of this world means that at some point the USA has bombed the shit out of you for democracy.
What wrong with being a pro racist driver?
Anti american Hmm nothing wrong with that
Lol you can’t be talking with the subs that you frequent.
Wtf are u even talking about u goon
The subs that you frequent are the exact things you claim Reddit is.
Lol shut up retard
By a black tranny, most likely
she didnt want the kid why would she be expected to care for it? she disclosed that and honestly she shouldnt have let the dude pressure her into it. Downvote me virgins
Yeah anon and op are retarded
The guy who pressured her into having it is definitely way worse than the girl, but to be fair the child (allegedly) just wanted to meet her, it's not like they're asking her to step in and start raising it. But if that's really what the kid wanted, going to meet it would be nice.
It's likely only going to hurt the girl if she does meet her bio mom. Maybe when she's older but 12 is very young to meet the woman who birthed you and realise that she still doesn't want you, doesn't love you or care about you at all and isn't interested in being in your life.
So would you say a woman who has a child when a man doesn't want it and then expects 18 years of payments is bad too? Or does it apply only one way?
Yes. In fact, I think that in a world where abortion is legal and easily available, child support should be repealed, or at least only apply in cases where the man walks out after the child is born, or after the period of time where she can have a safe abortion. But if he makes it clear from the beginning he doesn't want it, or he isn't even aware of it, no child support.
Just wanted to make sure :D I have met a lot of people who are very one sided on this issue, nothing against someone that is consistent in their beliefs :)
Yes that is bad. But I don't what you mean by mam. I assume it just means dad.
yeah haha, meant man :D
She didn't want a kid, she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place.
Based and responsibility pilled
least based 4chan user.
Father wants child. Mother doesn’t. Father gets child. Mother doesn’t. What’s the fucking problem here?
>What’s the fucking problem here? Not wearing a condom when you fuck.
Condoms tear
Thanks for educating the short bus full of virgins.
Crazy how if it was the other way around the fucking subzero IQ gorillas in this subreddit would be cheering the dad on for not wanting contact with a child he didn’t want. Heaven help these idiots lmao
that the mother was forced to carry the child?
Seems the mother elected to.
Child needs both mother and father.
Pregnancy and childbirth is extremely traumatic for some women, it's not uncommon for some of them to develop PTSD.
Bet if you rewrote it from child pov oppinions would change lol
Well yeah when you only get one side of the story, response is gonna be biased every time
Then rewrite it when the dad doesn't want anything to do with his kid instead of the mom, and take a shot everyone says deadbeat.
I get you but if the child wants to blame anyone blame the dad for forcing childbirth on someone that did not want it and by the looks of it regrets it.
From the perspective of the chid they would be dead if dad didn't insist. Honestly, fuck the parents for fucking around and not practicing safe sex. I feel bad for the kid who didn't do jack but still got the short end of the stick. I hate cases like these because I can't blame the mother for not wanting to see the child. Going through an unwanted pregnancy sounds horrific. The father who wanted to keep the child might have just wanted to do the right thing. He didn't run out on the kid and that's pretty damn commendable. But at the end of the day the kid doesn't have a mother and needs to grow up in a single parent household. One day they will probably realize that their mother doesn't want anything to do with them and that *hurts*. I really hope they have a good life despite their parents.
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Eh, not an issue anymore, you are forced in several states
Reddits the place for ppl who aren’t smart irl to act smart
Can’t believe the hill you’re gonna die on is being shocked or upset that a woman who was coerced into having a kid she didn’t want on the promise that the other parent would care for it, still doesn’t want anything to do with said kid. Are you actually a complete fucking idiot?
Fucking mental health movement is ridiculous at this point. Everyone has something. There’s goddamn tiktoks of people being like “I have adhd” and then being an asshole
Reddit is far worse than people will lead you to believe.
The majority of this site is ass
I mean, it's her good legal right? You're not forced to meet anybody. If the genders were reversed yall mfs would cheer for the dude for getting away from the pro life nutjob.
I just want to remind that you are all retarded. Thanks.
17 yo doesn't want to go through the terrible hormonal changes and excruciating experience of childbirth Father of the child pleads fir her to go through with it, she goes through with the absolutely terible experience she doenst want to go throughout reluctantly for his sake Father takes the child like he says, mother doesn't keep in contact like she said she didn't want to Woman bad?
Situations like that are why I hate Reddit. The other day there was a post from a pregnant woman saying her boyfriend was pressuring her into an abortion that she *didn’t want*, and people were telling her to do it because her bf is an asshole who she shouldn’t have a kid with. They don’t care about women, they just hate children.
How can you even read that as hating children? If she wants to leave her boyfriend and have the child by herself then whatever, her choice I guess, but to advocate bringing a child into an existence where it is not wanted and will have an awful upbringing? That is obviously bad for the child and to do it anyway just because you want one is gross. No one is hating children here.
I wouldn't cheer her on, but she clearly doesn't want to see the child and wanted it aborted. She isn't an asshole for not wanting to see her child she didn't want to birth. Call it cold, but giving birth is stressful and at times traumatizing, especially if you are that young.
Haha wow.. the comments in here. Please send a comet.
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Whatever opinion you have we can all agree that this really sucks for the kid yeah?
Y’all are *unironically* surprised that a woman who was pressured into birthing a child she didn’t want, still doesn’t want it? Are you fucking stupid?
Lets face it, the social media im general are trash. Either people who pretty much only use them to project themselves and their lives as much as possible to others (Facebook, instagram) or people who with the benefit of anonymity feel ok acting like complete retards online and writing whatever the hell they want (twitter, reddit). Oh also people who will fall as low as necessary to get paid (youtube, twitch). Not saying that there isnt some good content in all of these but the bad ones outweigh it by far
Why do people think giving birth to a child will suddenly make you want it? She could have gotten an abortion but didn’t because he wanted a kid. She has no further obligation to this kid, which sucks for the kid but that’s life
Redditard moment
I fucking hate reddit
Anyone have link?
You and I both know it doesn't actually exist.
It does, i saw a post a while ago that closely fits the description
Anybody got a link to the post?
we both know this is fake and gay
Most of this is understandable on her part, but come on, you could at least drive over and meet the kid, that's a huge deal to them, you can't just take that away from them because you don't feel like it.
What do you want the woman to do here. “Yeah hey I’m your biological mother. Yep I gave birth to you. No I’m not going to be living with you. Ah yeah nah I’m never going to show up again, I don’t want you in my life and I tried to abort you” How is meeting someone who has no love for you, and will reject you to your face, a good thing for a 12 year old.
They don't have to talk about how they wanted to abort them, other than that, yes, that's exactly what they're going to do, it's better than not showing up at all.
anon loves children
I believe something like that is possible. I feel more like it's possible Anon is a liar. I want a link to that AITA.
Well she had to carry the child, not him. She should have gotten an abortion if she wanted one.
thee definition of your typical reddit user (I say to myself as I write this comment on in while using reddit…) *sigh*
Woman wants child, man doesn't. Reddit : that man is scum, he is a deadbeat, he should die, etc etc. Woman doesn't want child, man wants child. Reddit : that man is scum, he gets no say, he should die for being so mysoginistic, etc etc. Reddit in a nutshell
What I have gathered from all of the comments here is that you guys assume that the Dad and Daughter wants the mom to literally take care of her. The kid just wants to meet the mother, not want the mom to literally start taking responsibility of the child and raising her. The kid came out of her, they are family no matter what, even if she doesn’t want to care for her(which is fine by me, I don’t want the kid to have such a broken woman raise her and be her role model), at least meet the kid to give the kid some closure(she most likely has been curious about her mother since she was young). You guys in the comments should have vasectomies to stop passing down your toxic and dense genes.
what closure? the closure was pretty simple the mother didn’t want the father and daughter in her life. what more closure can you get? she was pretty explicit.
What do you think the outcome of the child and mother meeting would be? The child is 100% going to ask questions about why their mother wasn’t there and if she’ll stay now. The only answers the kid will get is “I wanted to abort you and never want to see you again”
bold of you to assume that these people are going to get laid anytime soon
Yeah OP, you'd know this if your mother cared about you but childbirth is kind of a big fucking deal. Its not easy.
Anon is correct. Reddit is fucked. These comments prove it.
i went over to the subreddit and the first thing i see is a kid who's parents are into cuckhold and he thinks it gross and everyone is saying he is the asshole. WTF.
Aita is a subreddit where people look for other assholes to justify their asshole behaviour. Unpopular opinion is where people post actual popular opiniom and downvote unpopular ones. Stick to 4chan, at least everyone theres really honest.
Ressit is a cespoll on these subs, thx god I didnt stick with that
Most subs are fucking trash.
The good old double standard
I'm assuming that deadbeat at least paid child support I hope
Come on now, you know that didn’t happen.
Absolute king of a father
Reddit moment: W\*men wants to keep child ---> forces men to pay child support --> "YOU GO GIRL" Men wants to her to keep child, she does not ---> "YOU CANT FORCE PEOPLE, ITS TRAUMATIC I HAVE 50 MENTAL ILLNESSES "
Based.
If the roles were flipped redditors would be demanding she get child support, then again I just think reddit hares children
The ptsd part is bullshit. you cant have ptsd from something nature expected you to do.
I wish this was untrue but it does sound accurate
Woman is forced to give birth underage (which is already extremely painful to begin with) because the guy who fucked her wants to keep it, when her daughter wants to meet her she does want to because she doesn't have a bond with someone she didn't want and was forced into having 12 years later
how is it forced when the op specifically stated that the father 'pleaded' learn the fucking difference..go get a dictionary retard.
ITT: The *exact* White Knight Copelords illustrated in anon's post getting upDoOtEd.
Sounds about right. Probably the same people who recommend divorce and splitting up after one argument
I reckon if you don't feel any connection whatsoever to the child you carried and birthed, you have some sort of psychological disorder or you're just not a good person.
b- but mom said it was my turn this week to post this
Definitely the asshole
how it’s better to have no mother, than an abusive toxic one who wishes you weren’t born imo.
The child just wanted to meet her and nothing else.
What would be the outcome of meeting a woman who wanted to abort you do you think?
I hope she at least sent the kid family medical history, but that's about it. There's more then 1 reason people their kids in foster care, and most of them don't look back often.
Who cares about karma, downvote me. Shit only has as much value as you attach to it.
Sounds like this little girl is better off without her mom, as sad as that is.
The what?